Sex offenders to be E_tagged, Good or bad idea? .

Run_to_da_hills

According to the Irish Times the government is considering Etagging sex offenders with electronic bracelets. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...243552402.html

A NEW electronic tagging system for monitoring high-risk sex offenders, including the use of GPS technology, is likely following publication of a report on management of sex offenders from the Department of Justice.

E bracelets although sound like a good solution to an overcrowding prison problem, they could possibly be applied across the board for early parole of other convicts.

E_tagging has its flaws, the devices can be tampered despite any penalties imposed. There is nothing stopping a culprit or prisoner out on parole covering over his electronic bracelet with signal blocking material (Farraday) and then pleading ignorance if quizzed by the authorities of his whereabouts.

I personally disagree with linking electronic tracking devices to humans and where this technology can lead to.

the_syco

Exceelent idea.

KTRIC

I don't think Sniper has any more room left on his ankels. He's all tagged out !!

r3nu4l

I think it's a great idea but it is open to abuse.

Firstly, the offender can block the signal but it should be written into law that should the offender block the signal s/he will immediately be rearrested.

Secondly, the system could be hacked. This is dangerous because then we could have vigilantes dishing out 'preventative' punishments. While I think sex offenders of any sort are scum of the earth I do not believe in vigilante/mob justice.

So while there are potentially great benefits, there are pitfalls and these need to be examined carefully.

techdiver

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I personally disagree with linking electronic tracking devices to humans and where this technology can lead to.

Tagging is an excellent idea. I wouldn't stop there, I would also chemically castrate repeat sex offenders as other countries such as Norway etc are attempting to implement.

The_Minister

I think they should be careful to make sure that the braclet is discreet, so that these prisoners can function in society.

Liam Byrne

The_Minister wrote: »

I think they should be careful to make sure that the braclet is discreet, so that these prisoners can function in society.

...like their victims do, tormented by the memories and the lasting effects ?

Liam Byrne

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I personally disagree with linking electronic tracking devices to humans and where this technology can lead to.

I personally disagree with sex offenders and what that leads to.

They should take what they get, because if brothers/fathers/uncles got hold of them, they probably wouldn't be alive to enjoy walking around with their tagging bracelets.

Not saying the above is acceptable, but it is understandable; and if the law deals with them properly - and harshly enough - then they should be damn grateful that it's the law that dealt with them and not someone else.

Run_to_da_hills

r3nu4l wrote: »

I think it's a great idea but it is open to abuse.
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I would agree, both abuse from the Authorities and Vigilantes.

r3nu4l wrote: »

Firstly, the offender can block the signal but it should be written into law that should the offender block the signal s/he will immediately be rearrested.
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This could end up in a cry wolf scenario, if someone was to block their signal regularly and then blame it on "signal strength" the Authorities may end up with cry wolf scenario and may then ignore the culprit. Most of these electronic tracking devices use the same Global Orbcomm satellite navigation system.

r3nu4l wrote: »

Secondly, the system could be hacked. This is dangerous because then we could have vigilantes dishing out 'preventative' punishments. While I think sex offenders of any sort are scum of the earth I do not believe in vigilante/mob justice..

Indeed, hand held scanners can be purchased over the internet and then get into the wrong hands.

r3nu4l wrote: »

So while there are potentially great benefits, there are pitfalls and these need to be examined carefully.

The whole system would need to be monitored by an independent body.

deadhead13

In the the case of high risk sex offenders, I would think their compulsion to re-offend would be greater than their fear of getting caught and facing the concequences. The tags would just be an obstacle for them to get around.

Such offenders should be held indefinitley until they are deemed to no longer pose a threat.

Blangis

How is the bracelet supposed to know when the wearer is molesting a child?

Deedsie

Tag em. Tag em twice to make sure. Would happily vote yes in a referendum to have them castrated. Dont care what it cost us.

Turns my stomach.

murfie

The_Minister wrote: »

I think they should be careful to make sure that the braclet is discreet, so that these prisoners can function in society.

I disagree in the strongest terms possible. So much in fact i suggest the tag should be a collar around the scums neck that when they come close to any locations that kids congregate that the collar will shock them into a incapacitated state!

They don't deserve to function as normal citizens in society, they forfeit that right as soon as they do the disgusting acts on their innocent victims. And its because we allow these people to function in society as you want that it allows them to re-offend without fear of being caught.

Blangis

murfie wrote: »

I disagree in the strongest terms possible. So much in fact i suggest the tag should be a collar around the scums neck that when they come close to any locations that kids congregate that the collar will shock them into a incapacitated state!

They don't deserve to function as normal citizens in society, they forfeit that right as soon as they do the disgusting acts on their innocent victims. And its because we allow these people to function in society as you want that it allows them to re-offend without fear of being caught.

How is the tag supposed to detect the presence or proximity of children? The whole thing is a fatuous idea.

Dr Galen

it'll be linked to GPS or somesuch, which will alert the authorities when they get in the proximity of a school. Much like my in car sat nav beeps when I'm near say a petrol station.

You would imagine that these will be used for sex offenders on parole or release, so that its known where they are etc. Not as an alternative to actual jailtime.

I don't disagree that child abuse is a terrible terrible crime, but lynch mob justice is no justice. It's revenge, and there is a difference between the two.

yoshytoshy

Give them a daily dose of therapy

Blangis

Mystik Monkey wrote: »

it'll be linked to GPS or somesuch, which will alert the authorities when they get in the proximity of a school. Much like my in car sat nav beeps when I'm near say a petrol station.

You would imagine that these will be used for sex offenders on parole or release, so that its known where they are etc. Not as an alternative to actual jailtime.

I don't disagree that child abuse is a terrible terrible crime, but lynch mob justice is no justice. It's revenge, and there is a difference between the two.

Schools are just one place where kids might be, and during the typical schoolday there is probably only a small window of opportunity for abducting a kid - when they are arriving or leaving. And they would probably have to operate at some distance from the school anyway, to avoid all of the parents and teachers.

A pedo could just stay away from schools and focus on all the other places where he might get his hands on an unsupervised child - beaches, parks, clubs, homes, streets, community centres, shops, arcades, etc., etc. All the places where it would be impossible for someone monitoring a blip on a map to know whether or not that blip is in the vicinity of children.

I'm as against pedophiles as anyone else, but these solutions need to be practical. If this were put in place it would turn into another fiasco like the electronic voting machines.

Dr Galen

Blangis wrote: »

If this were put in place it would turn into another fiasco like the electronic voting machines.

quite likely. I'm just teasing out the idea really. wonder if any other countries do this?

Bottle_of_Smoke

Perhaps a chip being implanted like those constraceptive devices would be harder to tamper with.

Another thing they could do would deny them their right to privacy in other areas, phone lines/internet/email accounts. And have a seperate punishment for attempting to get new phones/emails etc.

I know this is really extreme but I just think prison sentences for child molesters are far too short, one of the areas I'd support capital punishment.

Run_to_da_hills

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Perhaps a chip being implanted like those contraceptive devices would be harder to tamper with.

Verichip have developed a tiny GPS implantable microchip and Indonesia had proposed the use of them with sex offenders and those promiscuous with HIV & Aids. The proposal was later dropped. Verichip got the approval of the US FDA in 2004 . http://www.10meters.com/verichip_fda.html

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Another thing they could do would deny them their right to privacy in other areas, phone lines/Internet/email accounts. And have a separate punishment for attempting to get new phones/emails etc..

The South Australian authorities have been given extra powers to track and trace online movements of sex offenders, The culprits must register all email accounts, social network profiles and passwords with the police. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/03/27/2527659.htm

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I know this is really extreme but I just think prison sentences for child molesters are far too short, one of the areas I'd support capital punishment.

I totally disagree with capital punishment, It dose not allow for miscarriages of Justice, (Although with DNA evidence there is less chance of this) I would prefer to see repeat culprits do their full time behind bars rather than be released early under any money saving e_tagging programme.

thebman

I think its a great idea as it will make it easier to place these people near schools etc... when these incidents occur.

If they are blocking it, they should be immediately tracked down and detained over night and can be released with a newly activated bracelet. This would ensure that if they do go off the radar they can be quickly dealt with.

You could also use this in conjunction with CCTV to place them at scenes of crimes.

Run_to_da_hills

thebman wrote: »

I think its a great idea as it will make it easier to place these people near schools etc... when these incidents occur.

If they are blocking it, they should be immediately tracked down and detained over night and can be released with a newly activated bracelet. This would ensure that if they do go off the radar they can be quickly dealt with.

You could also use this in conjunction with CCTV to place them at scenes of crimes.

There are already such things as Rfid based proximity sensor and alert system that can detect E_tagged sex offenders.

The danger of rolling out CCTV is that it will eventually create an Orwellian society for the rest of us, There is enough CCTV at dumps, railway stations, toll plazas, shopping malls etc without having more at public parks etc.

thebman

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There are locations such as schools that are equipped with Rfid based proximity sensor and alert system that can detect E_tagged sex offenders.

The danger of rolling out CCTV is that it will eventually create an Orwellian society for the rest of us, There is enough CCTV at dumps, railway stations, toll plazas, shopping malls etc without having more at public parks etc.

I don't want a police state but it is hard to argue with the benefit of CCTV. The only problem I can see with it is if it is abused. Entrances to parks etc... would be suitable places or along the proximity sensors to activate them if someone is jumping a fence or something to gain entrance to a park so you can identify who it was in case a crime is later committed.

Technology has ways to ensure that we aren't just recording everyone all the time and if only placed in appropriate places then CCTV is no risk to people at all.

livvy

Monitoring the whereabouts of convicted sex offenders can only be a good thing. The sooner the better IMO.

My only reservation - will a piece of metal stop them re-offending? I don't think so. What will - can't answer that one. Any deterrent to re-offend can only be welcomed.

heyjude

Sounds like a terrible idea and one with a million flaws that will undoubtedly be exploited to the maximum by the offenders and their legal representatives.

There are many flaws and loopholes in the use of electronic tagging to monitor released prisoners, many of them were featured in a documentary on one of the British tv channels a few months ago.

But if they were introduced here, my main reservations would be:

a)if hundreds of offenders are to be tagged like this on release, then who is going to be responsible for monitoring these tags 24/7 ? Do we want the gardai to be chasing around after initially hundreds and long term,thousands of ex-prisoners looking for them every time a tag gives off an alarm signal or malfunctions ?

b)Every technology has a failure rate, will these tags be as reliable as the computers on an aircraft/spacecraft or as reliable as a tv remote control ? Reliability costs, but in this case, the technology is supposed to reassure the public that these animals aren't able to attack any more innocent victims, if it fails then the sex offender is not only free to re-offend, but he can use the tag as an alibi

c) Will be penalties for tampering with the tags be severe enough to discourage the offenders or other individuals from rendering the tags inoperable ? For the tagging system to work, the penalties for tampering with the tags must be draconian for the offender and whoever aids in tampering with the tag, the tagged offenders must be supervised rigorously to see whether the tags are being tampered with and the likelihood of being caught if the tag is removed must be high. I suspect though, that the tagging scheme is being proposed, in order to save money and monitoring of tagged offenders will be minimal. Leaving the public with a false sense of security.

An expensive though more effective alternative is to introduce an American style 3 strikes system where serial offenders upon a third conviction aren't released again. That would eventually provide society with 100% protection from individual serial sex offenders, but given that we don't even jail murderers for life, we are always likely to be offered low cost alternatives such as this instead.

As with the ludicrously lenient sentences for murderers, unfortunately, I suspect it will take a high profile victim(i.e. rich/famous or close relative of a VIP) of such a repeat sex offender, in order for the establishment to take the issue seriously and until then, we'll be offered low cost high tech systems, that once implemented will be doomed to failure as they are continually under-funded.

Nuttzz

heyjude wrote: »

Sounds like a terrible idea

I agree it is a terrible idea, we should just shoot the f**kers and save a few quid, not to mention a few kids

villager

The only safe way to monitor these people is to keep them locked up forever. it is the simplest safest way. I would not even waste the money on trying to rehabilitate them.

BrandonFlowers

Blangis wrote: »

How is the bracelet supposed to know when the wearer is molesting a child?

it wouldn't it would let authorities know when a person is somewhere they shouldn't be i.e in a place where children/women/ men are.

most of these people have strict bail conditions about where they can and can't go and this would help in overseeing that.

me_right_one

I think sexual crimes are given such leniant punishments in this country. The question shouldn't be whether to tag offenders or not, it should be whether to execute them or commute their sentence to natural life. This should apply across the board, from repeat peadophiles to pest stalkers. I just cant understand why sentences handed down are so lenient!

Thoie

heyjude wrote: »

An expensive though more effective alternative is to introduce an American style 3 strikes system where serial offenders upon a third conviction aren't released again. That would eventually provide society with 100% protection from individual serial sex offenders, but given that we don't even jail murderers for life, we are always likely to be offered low cost alternatives such as this instead.

I haven't really come across the 3 strikes in terms of sentencing, but my main concern is what do you tell victims 2 and 3? "Don't worry, he's done it before, but now when he does it once more we'll do something"?

By using the tags for other things besides sex offender, you reduce the likelihood of vigilanteism, don't you? So instead of prison for people speeding excessively, tag them as well for 6 months (if your tag shows movement at over 60mph you damned well better be on a plane). That way the vigilantes wouldn't be able to tell who's a sex offender and who drove too fast.

smallBiscuit

thebman wrote: »

I think its a great idea as it will make it easier to place these people near schools etc... when these incidents occur.

If they are blocking it, they should be immediately tracked down and detained over night and can be released with a newly activated bracelet. This would ensure that if they do go off the radar they can be quickly dealt with.

You could also use this in conjunction with CCTV to place them at scenes of crimes.

I don't think you understand how the system works.
A few years ago I used to live in a Council estate, an estate full of children. A sex offender (paedophile) was released from prison on parole, but didn't have a house, co the council put him into our estate.
The council know, since over half the estate were on benefits and claiming every penny they could, how many children lived beside this paedophile. But they put him there anyway. There was an uproar and he wasn't allowed out of his house until he was taken out of the estate by the council.
They never think, you can be sure they wouldn't when releasing these 'things' from prison. But when somebody was raped or abused, they would be very sorry and a full enquiry would be promised. Cold comfort to the victim.

Incidentally, when he was moved, he was placed across the road from a primary school

P. Breathnach

Funny how "sex offender" has morphed into "predatory paedophile".

HashSlinging

All this does is calm the public down, theres nothing stopping someone ripping the tag off and committing a crime, nothing.

Waste of tax payers money and will surly lead to more people being released. bad idea.

thebman

smallBiscuit wrote: »

I don't think you understand how the system
works.
A few years ago I used to live in a Council estate, an estate full of children. A sex offender (paedophile) was released from prison on parole, but didn't have a house, co the council put him into our estate.
The council know, since over half the estate were on benefits and claiming every penny they could, how many children lived beside this paedophile. But they put him there anyway. There was an uproar and he wasn't allowed out of his house until he was taken out of the estate by the council.
They never think, you can be sure they wouldn't when releasing these 'things' from prison. But when somebody was raped or abused, they would be very sorry and a full enquiry would be promised. Cold comfort to the victim.

Incidentally, when he was moved, he was placed across the road from a primary school

That has nothing to do with tracking them. If a council isn't putting them in the correct locations, being able to track them would help since the police could police the councils location program.

smallBiscuit

thebman wrote: »

That has nothing to do with tracking them. If a council isn't putting them in the correct locations, being able to track them would help since the police could police the councils location program.

Sorry I should have prefaced my post with "This is a bad item and this is why ...."

That is why it won't work, the ptb don't think anything through to its logical conclusion, they would let these people out, then place them where they could never be properly tracked.
Imagine .....
....it alerts when paedophiles go near a school, but they house them besides one, so it goes off constantly, so they ignore it. There's one that's no longer tracked.
....It alerts when they go near heavily built up area's where it is likely there will be a lot of children, but all housing area's would be included and that is where they would be housed, so now all are ignored.

But of course, it presumably stores their movements, so although another child has had their lives utterly ruined, we can at least say "well we got him, so nobody else will suffer like you"*

* for the next six months anyway, then we re-tag him and the cycle starts again.

What is needed is ....
1. they be tagged
2. they be chemically castrated* - using the same methodology as the 5 year contraceptive
3. they have a large tatoo placed on their faces, showing what they did (yes I know they would suffer as a result, but it pales compared to their victims)


* If the chemical method works out to be to expensive, I have an old shears at home that would do

me_right_one

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Funny how "sex offender" has morphed into "predatory paedophile".

And the devestation and haenousness of these crimes are different how exactly?

smallBiscuit

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Funny how "sex offender" has morphed into "predatory paedophile".

I concede that the morph to peodo was mainly done by me.
But what I've said holds true for all forms of sexual abuse, there is simply no way to be certin they will not re-offend tags or no tags. The risk is to great, the price to high
Could you live with yourself if you agreed to letting them out and someone else's life was ruined?

thebman

smallBiscuit wrote: »

Sorry I should have prefaced my post with "This is a bad item and this is why ...."

That is why it won't work, the ptb don't think anything through to its logical conclusion, they would let these people out, then place them where they could never be properly tracked.
Imagine .....
....it alerts when paedophiles go near a school, but they house them besides one, so it goes off constantly, so they ignore it. There's one that's no longer tracked.
....It alerts when they go near heavily built up area's where it is likely there will be a lot of children, but all housing area's would be included and that is where they would be housed, so now all are ignored.

But of course, it presumably stores their movements, so although another child has had their lives utterly ruined, we can at least say "well we got him, so nobody else will suffer like you"*

* for the next six months anyway, then we re-tag him and the cycle starts again.

What is needed is ....
1. they be tagged
2. they be chemically castrated* - using the same methodology as the 5 year contraceptive
3. they have a large tatoo placed on their faces, showing what they did (yes I know they would suffer as a result, but it pales compared to their victims)


* If the chemical method works out to be to expensive, I have an old shears at home that would do

I'm not suggesting we lapse prison terms and I'm not suggesting we place them near those locations. This should be in addition to everything else not a replacement system.

Surely chemically castrating them is a violation of human rights? Hormone therapy to correct whatever imbalance causes them to behave like this might be better. Hell why not give them psychological treatment to try to remove these traits from their personalities. Just throwing them in prison is not going to fix the problem. It just gives them drug habits and Sky TV in addition to their problems. The biggest problem the justice system has is that it is about revenge and not about fixing the problems of society. I'm not suggesting they be let roam the streets while being treated, I want them away from the public and find a way to fix their problems before letting them back out.

You can argue that they don't deserve this given what they've done (and I'd want them dead if they did anything to someone I cared about) but that is revenge and not trying to ensure the same fate does not occur to another person which is what we should be aiming for IMO. There has to be a way to suppress the emotional imbalance that causes someone to commit this crime.

You can argue this is thought police too but I'm not talking about doing it in advance but after the crime has been committed and only for violent crime not political protests or anything like that.

cooperguy

These people get out eventually. It would be nice to know where they are and if something does happen then it can be discovered if a convicted sex offender was in the area. It is bound to be a deterent and if not at least it will be easy to get a conviction and lock them up again. Im sure the tag could be set up so that if its taken off then it sends a signal. This could be punished severly to make sure it doesnt happen.

On its own this idea is obviously not a silver bullet that will solve everything but it could help in the prevention of re-offending

The_Minister

me_right_one wrote: »

And the devestation and haenousness of these crimes are different how exactly?

The chances of reoffending are very, very different.

P. Breathnach

smallBiscuit wrote: »

I concede that the morph to peodo was mainly done by me.

I don't think you were alone.

But what I've said holds true for all forms of sexual abuse, there is simply no way to be certin they will not re-offend tags or no tags. The risk is to great, the price to high

Have you even considered what categories of offence are covered by the legislation? A sheep-shagger can be placed on the register.

Could you live with yourself if you agreed to letting them out and someone else's life was ruined?

That sort of argument is emotional blackmail. While recidivism levels are high for certain types of sex offender, not all of them are probable recidivists.

me_right_one

The_Minister wrote: »

The chances of reoffending are very, very different.

Thats the problem right there. Why concentrate on whether a person re-offends? They shouldnt have offended in the first place! A sexual crime is a sexual crime no matter what the chances of re-offending are.

Anyone who commits a sexual crime has inflicted a life sentence on their victim, therefore the offender should get life. It should be just a matter of whether to dish out the capital punishment or 100 years behind bars. I dont know which is better or worse TBH. There is ZERO excuse for ANY sexual crime.

The_Minister

me_right_one wrote: »

Thats the problem right there. Why concentrate on whether a person re-offends? They shouldnt have offended in the first place! A sexual crime is a sexual crime no matter what the chances of re-offending are.

So, if I rape an eight-year-old, and then get drunken oral sex off a girl (technically rape), they are both sexual crimes and deserving of equal punishment?
There are grades of all crimes from Homicide (murder and manslaughter) to Stealing (shoplifting versus robbery) to sexual crimes (violent rape or consensual sex with someone under age).

me_right_one wrote: »

Anyone who commits a sexual crime has inflicted a life sentence on their victim, therefore the offender should get life. It should be just a matter of whether to dish out the capital punishment or 100 years behind bars. I dont know which is better or worse TBH. There is ZERO excuse for ANY sexual crime.

I've pointed out above why this doesn't hold up. Some victims of sexual crimes don't actually regret what happened, and even enjoyed it.
Then there is the fact that many rape victims actually go on with their lives and function perfectly normally as members of society, so its not fair to equate rape with death (capital punishment). And since keeping someone in jail for 100 years would work out at about (since it costs between €70,000 to €240000 to keep someone in jail for a year we will say about $100,000 per year), €10,000,000 per prisoner, I don't think that you are being realistic.
A life sentence for any sexual crime is not justice although in some cases it is (Fritzal).
Realistically, we can't lock up more then the tiniest percentage of our society (I know that America is managing about 9% but thats a dark road - and even they let out rapists). Prison is about punishment, but tbh if someone can be safely released into society, we should do so, saving ourselves money (piles of it) and gaining a useful citizen.

the_syco

techdiver wrote: »

I would also chemically castrate repeat sex offenders as other countries such as Norway etc are attempting to implement.

LOL. Read about it. It does **** all. They'll just rape ya with a brush handle.

=-=

Sex offender doesn't always equal a peado. Sex offenders can be cured to an extent, through counselling, etc. A peado will always be a peado. Put them on an island, and leave them there.

The_Minister

the_syco wrote: »

A peado will always be a peado. Put them on an island, and leave them there.

With midgits.

Its the kind thing to do.

Bottle_of_Smoke

The_Minister wrote: »

I've pointed out above why this doesn't hold up. Some victims of sexual crimes don't actually regret what happened, and even enjoyed it.
Then there is the fact that many rape victims actually go on with their lives and function perfectly normally as members of society, so its not fair to equate rape with death (capital punishment). And since keeping someone in jail for 100 years would work out at about (since it costs between €70,000 to €240000 to keep someone in jail for a year we will say about $100,000 per year), €10,000,000 per prisoner,[I don't think that you are being realistic.

Ok, fair enough, but I think the guy you quoted actually meant rapists, aggravated sexual assaults etc to be honest. He just phrased it badly. I'd tend to agree with him for those kind of crimes. I know victims of rape, one of them talked to me about how she became a recluse for years after, but after the rapist killed himself her life went back to normal, have to say that influenced my opinion on cap punishment for rape a lot.

I'll accept that's unlikely to ever happen, but I think life imprisonment is worth paying for given victims should be entitled to some form of justice.

Martyr

I've pointed out above why this doesn't hold up. Some victims of sexual crimes don't actually regret what happened, and even enjoyed it.

The_Miinister, have you ever abused a child?
Have you ever watched a child be abused?

seanybiker

chemical castration is the only way. Beating em to death is another I suppose. That makes it two ways.

pickarooney

Mystik Monkey wrote: »

It's revenge, and there is a difference between the two.

There's also a difference between 'a sex offence' and paedophilia but don't let that get in the way of a good oul rave.

Martyr

There's also a difference between 'a sex offence' and paedophilia but don't let that get in the way of a good oul rave.

Yes, and don't forget - some victims actually enjoy it.

The priority of society is to protect rights of sex offenders and allow them to live a normal life.

I'm against tagging, Its simply invasion of privacy.

There is nothing wrong with letting free every sex offender in the country, asking them not to re-offend and take their word for it.

sex offenders are trust worthy model citizens who deserve a 2nd, 3rd, 4th..hell even 5th chance in our great law abiding nation.

Proud to be Irish, Proud to be Stupid.

The_Minister

Martyr wrote: »

The_Miinister, have you ever abused a child?
Have you ever watched a child be abused?

I was referring to people who have sex under age, eg. a 16-year-old that has sex with her 17-year old boyfriend. I mentioned them in the first paragraph of my post.