[US/IRL] 5X10 - "He's Our You" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Sad Professor

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "HE'S OUR YOU" -

Episode Title: "He's Our You"
Airdate: March 25th 2009

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

Things begin to unravel when one of the survivors goes rogue and takes matters into their own hands -- risking the lives of everyone on the island.

Next New Episode: 5X11 - April 1st 2009

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ABC (US) - March 25th 2009
RTÉ (IRL) - March 29th 2009

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obried26

7

What an ending.....7 days is too long to wait dammit! :eek:

Sad Professor

6

Solid enough like everything this season but nothing great. The renewed character focus is a good thing imo, even if it means a few slow episodes.

The flashback suffered from the same problem as Locke's earlier in the season, no really plot or emotional core to it, just filling in the blanks, most of which we could have guessed.

I don't buy Ilana's bounty hunter story for a second. I reckon she works for Widmore and was intentionally bringing Sayid back to the island, or at the very least was told to take that specific flight.

Brilliant cliffhanger.

W1llz0rz

7

Holy sh1tcakes, what an ending! Wouldn't have seen that coming in a millions years!

Patricide

7

The ending!!!!!!Woa.... and im going to miss the next two episodes cause il be in austraillia with no internet connection or tv........ARGH!!!

Anima

5

The ending I thought was gonna happen alright. The whole episode was foreshadowing it looking back. Sayid's a killer, stick to what he knows best etc... looking for redemption at the same time... Ben is a genocidal bastard... Must of thought that killing him when he was young might stop the future from happening or something. Its gonna be interesting to see what happens to grown up Ben.

Aside from that the episode was alright, no stand out moments really though. In fact I think I forget it already.

cooker3

5

Reasonable episode totally dominated by the ending. It filled in the necessary blanks. I am still wondering how Sayed went from working for him to totally hating Ben and thinking he is a total liar even though what he said about the guy outside the mental home was totally right. I guess he felt Ben used him.

I didn't see the ending coming at all. That shot seemed pretty close to the heart. It's seem a bit of a stretch to say Ben survived it even though he has to.

Btw, where exactly is Widmore in all this. He told Locke that Ben tricked him and that's how he was forced of the island which means he should be around now right?

Anyway, 6 out of 10

Patricide

7

One thing, did ben ever show that he has seen sayid in the past before tonights episode?

cooker3

5

Patricide wrote: »

One thing, did ben ever show that he has seen sayid in the past before tonights episode?

Nope and because I have nothing better to do with my time. I just did a little review of the scenes in the hatch featuring Ben. He gave Sayid no obvious nod of recognition. I was also checking whether you could see the part of his body where Ben would have been shot. It was on the border in some scenes but you can truly never say 100% that part was exposed so you can let it pass.

phantom_lord

3

meh

eddiehead

6

So wft happens now, I hope to god its not as straight-forward as young Ben simply surviving being shot, that would really put a dampener on what was an excellent twist in the tale. I'd be hoping for some miraculous resurrection ala John Locke which when discovered by the others will prompt Richard to identify him as their next leader.

Anyway, a good 7 from me, loving the "....because I'm from the future!!" part

anotherlostie

6

Wo! I did not see that coming (in fact I thought he had just killed Jin the way he spoke). Other than that a so-so episode, presumably there will be similar fill the gap episodes for the other returnees. Apart from the end, the highlight was Sayid tripping and telling them all the stuff he knew from the future.

Getting peeved now over the lack of certain characters in episodes - no Desmond, Faraday or Locke again. Where are they? Sawyer is really turning out to be the focal character of this season. And am I the only one who cannot take Horace seriously as leader with that hair?

Handsome Bob

4

Probably my least favourite episode this season, saved by the ending and Sayid out of it on LSD. I can't imagine young Ben will stay dead, perhaps the others will reanimate the body? If that happened I'd be able to understand why Widmore said to Ben "I know WHAT you are".

Sherifu

8

eddiehead wrote: »

So wft happens now, I hope to god its not as straight-forward as young Ben simply surviving being shot, that would really put a dampener on what was an excellent twist in the tale.

I'm thinking it will be that simple.

It was a solid episode.

anotherlostie

6

I didn't get what the episode title, He's Our You, was about. Anyone care to explain?

As regards Illana, it's possible that her taking Sayid onto the plane was course correction. But I'm not sure where Ben being killed fits into that theory. No Ben, possibly no Dharma purge, no Desmond manning the station and no plane crash so the 815ers all live happily ever after and never experienced the island, including the time travel, so game over? But there's a season and a half to go...

abelard

5

Nothing much new to add - ok episode, great cliffhanger.

I liked that they're filling in the blanks as to why some of them ended up returning, and that we got to see a bit more of Ilana.

Handsome Bob

4

anotherlostie wrote: »

I didn't get what the episode title, He's Our You, was about. Anyone care to explain?

When Sayid is brought to Oldham and Sayid asks who he is, Sawyer says "He's our you". In other words, he's the guy that does the "serious" interrogating for the Dharma people.

oleras

6

anotherlostie wrote: »

I didn't get what the episode title, He's Our You, was about. Anyone care to explain?

Torturer.

homerun_homer

7

Ben will no doubt be saved by the island - like Locke was when Ben shot him. Ben will hold a grudge against the 815ers/Sayid and that may be in part why he causes them so much hassle.
Young Ben is soon going to be shown

Learning the islands secrets

according to the child actor, so he will no doubt

know that they will crash land at a future date

.
In relation to him showing recognition to Sayid, Ben is a player as I've said in other threads. He doesn't give his game away so he's not going to jump up and down and say "Oh, I've met you before, how've ya been since

you shot me

?"

I have to say it was a pity it showed Sayid

Shooting the gun in the advert because I was expecting it to happen then.

Catsmokinpot

8

It's obvious Ben will survive, so so episode, very slow moving, will they kill him wont they. I was hoping he wouldn't shoot Ben, but it was obvious he would...

imo Sayid should of put a few more bullets in him to make sure.

should have given it a 6 or a 7 but i always by default give lost a 9 without thinking properly

Big Nelly

Could someone post the rumour? the link wont work for me

Hobbes

Big Nelly wrote: »

Could someone post the rumour? the link wont work for me

--- MOD EDIT ---
DON'T CLICK THE LINK UNLESS YOU WANT A BIG FINALE TWIST POTENTIALLY RUINED!
(Hasn't been officially confirmed or denied, but don't say I didn't warn you)
--- MOD EDIT ---

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055520448

Completely unfounded rumour as well.

Hobbes

Interesting ending but my feeling is the timeline can't be changed, but maybe

The radiation from the hatch allowed people to be outside their timestream,

so they haven't moved through time but have moved to a seperate timestream. The professor and others that came via the boat were not exposed to the radiation so for them the timestream is their only one and are therefore locked into it (can't change it)

.

Daysha

Sawyer: "How are you doing?"

Sayid: "A 12 year old Ben Linus brought me a chicken salad sandwich. How do you think I'm doing?"

Best line of the season so far

missingtime

9

Gahhhhh.......what a freaking ending. Gahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

conchubhar1

9

at the end of this episode

i said three words and then an incomphrensible sound - snap, **** and ****tt


epic epic epic ending

The Don

Very good episode. Nice to see how Sayid got on the island. Looks like Sawyer's nice little world unravelling now that they are back.

What an ending! I'm guessing that it's Sayid shooting him that makes Ben the monster that he is.

purple_hatstand

More quality lostage! The Dharma Initiative seems a bit crap though. Where's the psychological experiments and polar bears and the weird creepiness and Chang? It just seems like a bunch of bumbling hippies (like Dexter from the Fast Show)....and where is everybody? I thought the DI had loadsa people in it?! Rant over. Great episode. Great ending. Ben definitely NOT evil. Or dead.

Psychedelic

7

Solid episode, obviously a great ending. I though that Sayid's gun would jam and he'd realise that he couldn't kill Ben. But it's a bit stupid about the whole shooting him in the chest and leaving him to die, it's a big cliche in tv/films - shoot him in the head if you want him dead! And Ben will survive which is okay I guess as others such Locke have survived bullets to the stomach.

anotherlostie wrote: »

Apart from the end, the highlight was Sayid tripping and telling them all the stuff he knew from the future.

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Probably my least favourite episode this season, saved by the ending and Sayid out of it on LSD.

I'm not sure if we're supposed to believe this was LSD, although it was obviously implied the way they used the sugar cube to dose him. I thought it was just a "truth serum" which is a common device in sci-fi and one that kind of annoys me as I can never find it believable, but if they actually meant it to be LSD that made Sayid tell the truth then that's an absolute joke. Anyone who has taken LSD will tell you and I can tell you myself having taken it before that it doesn't automatically make you tell the truth.

The CIA thought they could use LSD as a truth serum during their research of the drug in the 50's and 60's but obviously realised it doesn't work like that. I won't even allow the writers "artistic license" with this even though I would usually turn a blind eye to this kind of stuff, but Sayid wouldn't be just spouting out answers like that. He might well have been laughing alright, but he would also have been out of his head.

It was a nice twist though that they didn't use physical torture but mind control to get answers from him, ties in perfect with the hippy aspect of the Dharma Initiative and mind control experiments they were probably conducting.

Sofaspud

I'd say there'll be the old "you shot me right where I conveniently had a book in my breast pocket" scenario going on here.

jor el

5

Sad Professor wrote: »

I don't buy Ilana's bounty hunter story for a second. I reckon she works for Widmore and was intentionally bringing Sayid back to the island, or at the very least was told to take that specific flight.

I would have thought the obvious person to have employed her, was Ben. Ben wants Sayid back on the island, so why not? As to her not recognising him, and not knowing his name, well he could have easily used a third party claiming to be the family of the guy Sayid killed.

eddiehead wrote: »

So wft happens now, I hope to god its not as straight-forward as young Ben simply surviving being shot, that would really put a dampener on what was an excellent twist in the tale.

Yeah, I'd say it's going to be that simple, he's not going to die. That makes this ending fairly moot, and a bit pointless. It was fairly obvious from the end of the last episode, that Sayid was going to do something to the younger Ben, especially given Sayid's "If we ever meet again, it will be extremely unpleasant for both of us" comment.

The flashbacks were also a bit pointless, we already know Sayid was killing for Ben, we pretty much knew they were Widmore's guys, and we knew that Sayid was a bad ass. We didn't really need to know that he killed chickens as a child, or that he had a wuss for a brother.

It did seem like a very good episode, but the more you think about it, it wasn't that great.

JohnK

Holy crap what an ending :eek:

CatInABox

Sofaspud wrote: »

I'd say there'll be the old "you shot me right where I conveniently had a book in my breast pocket" scenario going on here.

I'd say there'll be the old "Oh no, the sub has already left and dharma has no surgeons on the island, leading to a janitor/surgeon from the future showing off his skills while whining about fact that he has/had to save his enemy, along with being involved in a love quadrangle that should have died out ages ago" scenario going on here.

It's the oldest scenario in the book.

Mr.Nice Guy

7

Solid episode, needed a good ending and got one. I wasn't too surprised by it though because as someone said already they foreshadowed it really. I actually thought Sayid was gonna kill him when Ben let him out of the cell and that he'd snap his neck just like the chicken!

I suspect, like Locke, Ben will survive the bullet wound and I also believe this event will lead Richard and the Others into thinking that Ben is special and worthy of leading them.

Psychedelic

7

CatInABox wrote: »

I'd say there'll be the old "Oh no, the sub has already left and dharma has no surgeons on the island, leading to a janitor/surgeon from the future showing off his skills while whining about fact that he has/had to save his enemy, along with being involved in a love quadrangle that should have died out ages ago" scenario going on here.

It's the oldest scenario in the book.

never thought of that, good theory about jack saving ben, but the whole lot makes sense actually lol

tok9

8

Great episode, really enjoyed it.. I thought the flashbacks were good and confirmed why sayid was on the plane and in handcuffs which is what a lot of people were wondering..

I don't think i have to say it but..... Great Ending:D

Rabidlamb

7

Old style backstory episode. The Russian job with Ben in the brimmed hat looked a bit Hollywood but the rest stuck together in my eyes.

Can someone explain to me again the reason why the Oceanic 6 went back, that seems to have been lost or not properly justified.

The "to save them" doesn't wash anymore, am I missing something ?.

Anyway, I thought it a solid 8.

Psychedelic

7

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Can someone explain to me again the reason why the Oceanic 6 went back, that seems to have been lost or not properly justified.

The "to save them" doesn't wash anymore, am I missing something ?.

One reason for all of them is "to save their friends" and that the island wanted it that way....

But a guess to their individual reasons...

Sayid: he had no choice as he was in custody by that bounty hunder (as in this episode)

Hurley: ??? - just going along with the rest maybe?

Sun: to see Jin

Jack: messed up after hallucinations of his father on and off the island, locke mentioning his father "saying hello" to jack a few episodes ago, jack realising he fúcked up leaving people behind....

Kate: she loves Sawyer? or some reason to be revealed in the next episode, which is gonna be Kate-centric.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

7

Sawyer had a great line in there. Can't remember it exactly word for word, but it's when the Dharma Van crashes into the house and Sawyer turns to Jack, "Three years and no burning vans, and you've been back one day..."

Good enough episode, but I'm not a huge Sayid fan, so I'll always be extra-critical of Sayid-centric episodes. Didn't really care why he wasin the cuffs and didn't care much for any of the flashback stuff. On-island story was good though.

wandatowell

7

ok episode OUTSTANDING finish

Hyzepher

If Ben has memories of the 6 being on the island before the crash then why was he so intent in getting them back if he knew he was going to be shot. In fact ben has gone out of his way to ensure that Sayid retained his killing habits.

I would guess that whatever Ben's motives are they include being shot and killed in '77. if he does resurrect then that might be the reason he is in charge of the Others.

Chumpski

5

Yet another okay episode. The flashbacks were completely pointless. I suppose they are going to do similar flashbacks for Kate and Hurley explaining why their back. In Sayids case, he has no reason personally to be back so why spend an entire episode filling in pointless blanks?

Ben is not dead. According to the rules set out before nothing can change the past or future, since older Ben is alive in Sayids past he can't kill him. All hes doing is shaping what he becomes. Ironic i suppose!

I really dont care why the others came back and dont want to see flashbacks explaining it, just get on with it. We have yet to see a stand out brilliant episode this season like the constant last season.

homerun_homer

7

Now if this goes along the ways that we are expecting - Ben recovers via the islands help and holds a grudge against Sayid/Oceanic survivors, then wouldn't this be a time paradox which the Producers said they would not be doing.

In podcasts they said they are trying to follow a logic that you can't change the past that has already happened. They are not going to go back and kill Hitler as they say, nor father themselves as these are paradoxes. Therefore if what happens is as most of us believe will happen then they have broken that rule.
Am I right?

Das Kitty

5

Can't believe so many of you didn't see the twist coming! :P

How come no one on TV every makes sure someone is dead before heading off? Even if they did want Ben to survive, they could use some island based explanation surely?

I'm guessing this is going to be a chicken and egg thing between Sayid and Ben.

Sayid "kills" Ben as a boy.
Ben plots to get Sayid to kill his enemies under the pretense that they killed Sayid's bird (probably Ben who did it) for revenge over his killing.
Sayid "kills" Ben in revenge for this.
etc.

I thought it was just about above average as an episode. Perhaps if I hadn't seen the twist I would have been more impressed.

Sherifu

8

Agree about the twist, it was very obvious to me too what was going to happen.

DeadParrot

CatInABox wrote:

I'd say there'll be the old "Oh no, the sub has already left and dharma has no surgeons on the island, leading to a janitor/surgeon from the future showing off his skills while whining about fact that he has/had to save his enemy, along with being involved in a love quadrangle that should have died out ages ago" scenario going on here.

It's the oldest scenario in the book.

yeah this, damnit I thought I'd be the first one to spot it.
Jack exposed as having doctor skills, Juliette will be too, questions asked, rift within dharma backstabbing, dharma dying.
I also imagine we'll see that the O6 caused the 'incident' as well.

Also, the ending was pretty much a lock from early one but I was 100% convinced when he said he had found his purpose.

me-skywalker

5

Havnt watched the episode but dnt care reading this now as the FCKIN JIMMY KIMMEL SHOW ruined the end for me telling me that sayid kills a little harry potter lookalike... duh.. ffs!! 3e should be held responsible grrrr...

c0rk3r

Err why do you think Ben survives ? Maybe he just ceases to exist now in present (future) timeline.

pickarooney

anotherlostie wrote: »

And am I the only one who cannot take Horace seriously as leader with that hair?

Every time he comes on screen I just laugh and think ' you can't be serious'.

EKRIUQ

4

I really hate to say it, but it was completely filler. Once I saw the early Sayid flashback I knew it would be filled with useless flashbacks, and the on island story barely moved at all.

Unfortunately, last weeks preview showed us something burning, and I had hoped that some event would stir up trouble with the Losties in Dharma and have them exiled somehow.

The only good moments was Sawyer's 3 years line, Usually the fact that I know all the spoilers does not impede my enjoyment one bit, but the only thing good about this episode was the shock of Sayid shooting Ben, and I knew he was going to do it.

The rest was just ho-hum. Sayid and his brother were Eko and Yemi all over again, except that this time the younger brother did the dirty work for the older. We could certainly have found out that Ilana was a bounty hunter we didn't need the faux seduction.

lostexpectation

still can't believe they trying to sell sayid as an iraqi