Brian Cowen and 'those pictures'

Davidth88

Yesterday I saw on the BBC the following , which apparently was also carried by RTE

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7960997.stm

Then last night RTE apologised for carrying the story !!

WTF, have I just woken up in China/North Korea or something. Is it now wrong for the national broadcaster to carry a news story ?

This is a news story , the pictures ' appeared ' in the gallery , and that is news . The fact that Brian Cowen was the subject of those pictures made them even more newsworthy.

Perhaps if Brian Cowen's office spent more time trying to run the country rather than protect his feelings ( poor love ) then we might be getting somewhere !

What do other people think ?

Barname

Why are the Gardai investigating this matter?

It is not a crime to hang a painting.

How many days / guards have been involved with this 'investigation'

Surely this is an absolute and utter waste of resources?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5971027.ece

Barname

Davidth88 wrote: »

WTF, have I just woken up in China/North Korea or something.

no, not just woken up, similar to China / N.Korea we have have had pretty much one party government from the start of the state

'jaysus lads, manage the image, fcuk the nation'

They have bankrupted Ireland yet FF still hold 25% of the vote according to surveys...... their vote is probably even higher within the secret confines of the polling booth

the Irish electorate are as responsible as anyone for the current economic mess.

for example, our current Tanaiste 'inherited' her Daddies 'seat' because he died, he had inherited 'his seat' from his brother who died in a car accident.

so their you go, the above is a fine example of how Irish voters select the best candidates.....

cooperla

Have just been listening to it on NewsTalk. I wish I could remember the name of the lad they interviewed.... what rubbish. Oh they were also talking about banks a bit.... here's how my brain summarized the talks:

The government are being picked on. They need to be given time to look into the bankers bonues. People need to relax and wait to see what happens. ... How dare RTE report on the painting of Brian Cowen. It's outrageous. Action must be taken not. Heads should role.

Someone takes a million euro's bonus and the answer is to have a wee quiet chat but they go mad about a bloody picture?

Davidth88

From what I gather the painting was hung without authorisation , hence the Garda investigation

Barname

Davidth88 wrote: »

From what I gather the painting was hung without authorisation , hense the Garda investigation

a permit is not required, anyhow it is a public gallery that receives taxpayers funding, much like the education that the taxpayer paid for you and yet you cannot spell

hence NOT hense

The cost of a Garda investigation is not defendable for such a trivial matter.

Davidth88

Thank you for getting the ' red biro ' out and correcting my spelling mistake. How do you know the taxpayer paid for my education , you know nothing about me !

I was not defending the investigation , but I imagine the Garda were called by the gallery because someone hung a painting without authorisation, this would be trespass wouldn't it ?

The real point here is the news censorship , all be it after the fact.

getcover

It's much easier to have a go at some arty farty type than take on Fingers and the lads, some of whom might have some interesting tales about Cowen and private dinners...

jayteecork

Anyone have the one of Brian on the can?

Barname

Davidth88 wrote: »

Thank you for getting the ' red biro ' out and correcting my spelling mistake. How do you know the taxpayer paid for my education , you know nothing about me !

I was not defending the investigation , but I imagine the Garda were called by the gallery because someone hung a painting without authorisation, this would be trespass wouldn't it ?

The real point here is the news censorship , all be it after the fact.

Your style of writing and the spelling mistake indicate that you have received at least part of your education in Ireland.

Even if you attended 'private' schools they too receive taxpayers funding.

ergo

Barname

jayteecork wrote: »

Anyone have the one of Brian on the can?

I will post it shortly...

meanwhile....

partyguinness

Barname wrote: »

Your style of writing and the spelling mistake indicate that you have received at least part of your education in Ireland.

Even if you attended 'private' schools they too receive taxpayers funding.

ergo

I think we have a winner for the most irrelevant post and most pathetic atttempt to dig oneself out of a hole...:rolleyes:

Alcatel

Storm in a teacup, but it's a distraction from bankers and economy and so on and so forth. It's a picture of the head of our government, naked. It's satire, it may even be considered worthy art with all the attention it's getting, with a bunch of toffs sitting around waffling about how it signifies that Brian Cowan, in the political-socio-economic sense, has no clothes. Or something.

To make this into a big apology-fest is pandering and stupid. We all laughed at that Czech EU-piss take sculpture a few weeks back. When it happens in Ireland? Well, get out the soapbox.

Davidth88

Your style of writing and the spelling mistake indicate that you have received at least part of your education in Ireland.

Ohhhh if only you knew !........ ( you are wrong BTW )


I have not seen the one with BC on the can , I would love to see it actually.

fatboypee

What is worse, is RTE apologised for running the story ! Now that is downright ridiculous.

Imagine if they brought back spitting image ...... oh please, please bring back / start up an Irish spitting image...



fbp

partyguinness

At least the artist is pissing him/herself laughing with all the free publicity they got..absolute dream...:)

Barname

partyguinness wrote: »

I think we have a winner for the most irrelevant post and most pathetic atttempt to dig oneself out of a hole...:rolleyes:

argumentive = cork

ceegee

Barname wrote: »

argumentive = Cork

It's a place name.

ergo

partyguinness

Barname wrote: »

argumentive = cork

A. You might note that Cork is a placename and is spelt with a capital 'C'.

B. A sentence should also start with a capital letter.

The humble pie is over that way ---->

Barname

partyguinness wrote: »

A. You might note that Cork is a placename and is spelt with a capital 'C'.

B. A sentence should also start with a capital letter.

The humble pie is over that way ---->

lol, cork, thats how normal people see it.

cork.

Barname

jayteecork

Barname wrote: »

Jesus wept!


lol!

partyguinness

Cork people can construct a sentence correctly with correct punctuation and proper use of capital letters.

Then again, our standards are higher than most.

Barname

Barname

partyguinness wrote: »

Cork people can construct a sentence correctly with correct punctuation and proper use of capital letters.

Then again, our standards are higher than most.

Really?

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=59370677&postcount=87

Explain the above then.

:D:D

Like previously stated, cork = argument

oscarBravo

Barname and partyguinness, cop yourselves on. This is a forum for discussion of politics, not for spelling and grammar pissing contests.

Thread closed. If you want to discuss RTE's handling of the story, take it to the News & Media forum.

oscarBravo

Thread re-opened, with these terms of reference: discussion of contact between the Taoiseach's office and RTE over this story.

Any more silly handbaggery will result in bans.

Covey

Thanks for re-opening.

The implications from the apology by RTE are mind boggling not least what news will they now suppress so as to avoid making a possible apology?

Both Cathal Goan and Factna Murphy should have shown more balls in this whole affair and of course Brian Cowan digs yet another hole for himself.

oscarBravo

I'm not sure where the criticism of Fachtna Murphy is coming from. I'm not clear what the Garda were asked to investigate, but I'm assuming it's something to do with hanging unauthorised pictures in the galleries, which could be considered criminal damage.

If there's more to it than that, I'd be interested in hearing.

mike65

Lets not forget this comes on the back of the Knob Nation hoo-har

That FF felt the need to waste time on such a frippery as the economy implodes tells us whats important to these people. The Micheal Kennedy interview on Pat kennys radio prog this morning was spectacular hubris. Meanwhile Cathal Goan should probably consider his postion having caved in again.

ArmaniJeanss

oscarBravo wrote: »

I'm not sure where the criticism of Fachtna Murphy is coming from. I'm not clear what the Garda were asked to investigate, but I'm assuming it's something to do with hanging unauthorised pictures in the galleries, which could be considered criminal damage.

Criminal damage, really? I suspect that the DPP would laugh this one out of his office.

Apparently the 'artist' was on TodayFM (with Ray Darcy) this morning, and the gardai have contacted the TodayFM offices looking for his name and have been refused. I don't see why the guards would be investigating this unless they have been ordered to by a politician/government official.

These paintings are actually a bizarre story, something which if the government had have ignored it would have been forgotten about already.
For those of us old enough it has echoes of gubu.

Now we have a government TD embarassing himself on the Pat Kenny show this morning about the issue (Pat for once playing a stormer), and what looks like a monumental waste of garda hours.

For me, as a FF voter, this is the day that Cowen has lost it.

oscarBravo

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Criminal damage, really? I suspect that the DPP would laugh this one out of his office.

So you reckon that any random has the right to wander into a gallery and hang whatever he wants on the wall?

I don't see why the guards would be investigating this unless they have been ordered to by a politician/government official.

...because, as we all know, the guards never investigate anything without direct orders from a government minister. :rolleyes:

Covey

oscarBravo wrote: »

I'm not sure where the criticism of Fachtna Murphy is coming from. I'm not clear what the Garda were asked to investigate, but I'm assuming it's something to do with hanging unauthorised pictures in the galleries, which could be considered criminal damage.

If there's more to it than that, I'd be interested in hearing.

No more than that at all.

Should have been told, sorry waste of resources though.

petergfiffin

Good to see the government are challenging the difficult issues!! The sad fact is the guy who did this probably has a better chance of seeing the inside of a court than all the bankers & property developers combined. RTE's apology is another sad reflection of who exactly is controlling our "state" broadcaster, they should have told them exactly where to go. Personally I'd love to see the day when Brian Cowen is hanging in the National Gallery (or even a convenient tree)....now that's something I'd pay to see!!!

Slideshowbob

What tripe from FF that RTE have to apologise regarding their article on the pictures recently hung in galleries

It was news worthy surely and RTE merely reported it

I gather they didnt commission the paintings ;-)

FF shooting the messenger

I used to support FF - their reaction to RTE in this regard futher affirms my doubts about the party

Darragh29

Slideshowbob wrote: »

What tripe from FF that RTE have to apologise regarding their article on the pictures recently hung in galleries

It was news worthy surely and RTE merely reported it

I gather they didnt commission the paintings ;-)

FF shooting the messenger

I used to support FF - their reaction to RTE in this regard futher affirms my doubts about the party

You think that is bad, the Gardai turned up at the offices of Today FM yesterday afternoon looking for e-mail and any other contact details that the radio presenter (Ray Darcy), might have with regard to the artist of the painting...

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0325/breaking38.htm

If I say that the man is a f*t useless c*nt on here, can I expect a visit from the Gardai tomorrow??? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

To the Gardai: "Get out and catch real criminals and stop wasting taxpayers money!!!!!!"

Covey

Can you just imagine what would have happened, if someone had thrown a shoe at it :eek::P

tricky D

More from our Emperor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNuecTcJ4lw

yoshytoshy

Brian cowen has children ,I don't think it's fair on them that their dad is portrayed in this way.

As much as I hate fianna fail ,i feel sorry for their families with stuff like this.

enda1

Seems that RTE are appologising for showing the pictures in the report, not for running the story, so take a deep breath conspiracy theorists.

They say it was in bad taste to show the paintings, which I agree with.
Naked biffos crapping?
Yeah, bad taste.

Slideshowbob

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Brian cowen has children ,I don't think it's fair on them that their dad is portrayed in this way.

As much as I hate fianna fail ,i feel sorry for their families with stuff like this.

Maybe he should have thought more about his kids and all the country's kids before he introduced/extended tax incentives as Finance Minister and such like.

Commentators have recently suggested that these incentives have had the effect of adding to our current owes; which future generations; including his kids; will bear the burden of.

This is getting even more personal by bringing his kids into it. My OP critised the censoring of RTE rather than commenting on the original incident

Anyway, surely it's up to Cowen and his missus to explain to his kids that his role will be subject to certain satire etc - part of parenthood i'd say

Carlow52

The apology was issued by RTE as it had breached Section 30DD of the Offences against the State act.

yoshytoshy

Slideshowbob wrote: »

This is getting even more personal by bringing his kids into it. My OP critised the censoring of RTE rather than commenting on the original incident

RTE didn't need to show the images though and still report on the story.
They could have easily filmed the places ,rather than the content.

Sir Oxman

Just listened to what amounts to a monumental idiots gasbagging in the form of Michael Kennedy TD on Pat Kenny this morning.

This public servant wants RTE's DG to resign in the midst of the biggest meltdown in modern history (aided and abetted by the subject of the paintings)

This is what passes for a public representative in this country and worse, RTE's cowering apology really tells a story.

What a joke, what a disgraceful waste of this representatives taxpayer paid expenses (probably)

Sir Oxman

enda1 wrote: »

Seems that RTE are appologising for showing the pictures in the report, not for running the story, so take a deep breath conspiracy theorists.

They say it was in bad taste to show the paintings, which I agree with.
Naked biffos crapping?
Yeah, bad taste.

I don't.
What use would the report have had without showing the caricatures?

Slideshowbob

yoshytoshy wrote: »

RTE didn't need to show the images though and still report on the story.
They could have easily filmed the places ,rather than the content.

sure they didn't need to show the match last Saturday either, just report the story ;-)

voxpop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQsR09ER4Yk

They are pretty tame to be honest - storm in a teacup

Sir Oxman

yoshytoshy wrote: »

RTE didn't need to show the images though and still report on the story.
They could have easily filmed the places ,rather than the content.

Censorship, much?

gandalf

Any reason why you didn't use the thread already up and running about this topic?

Slideshowbob

sorry did a search for cowen etc but it didnt appear

wasnt near top of politics threads either

sure Cowen doesn't even need RTE for a bad portayal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yp3SmUrJQM&feature=related

yoshytoshy

Lets have this sort of stuff directed at all politicians in the country ,then we can really pat ourselves on the back ,when we elect a proper government.

Who cares who the paintings are of ,this makes a farce of an already woeful image ireland has abroad.