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Nissan Almera 2.2 dci limp mode

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  • 24-03-2009 7:45pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 34


    Hi all

    I recently got a 05 Nissan almera 2.2 diesel sport van with 75k kms on it. All was well until i valeted it and left it running with the heater on for about 45 mins to dry out the interior after the wet vac. When I drove it off there was a serious reduction in power and i struggled to get up to 100 km/h. i pulled over as soon as i could and stopped the engine. I restarted the engine and tried it and all was well.... temporarily until traffic the next morning which seems to knock on the limp mode when it idles, it then goes like the clappers when you restart the engine, any ideas to help with this problem are much appreciated, cheers in advance.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    slight possibility that its carbon build up from idling for 45 mins,
    could try an italian tune up !
    or something like 10k boost

    sounds like something electrical got wet though, may dry out on its own though!


  • Registered Users Posts: 34 magicjj5


    thanks for the reply blind justice, I was thinking along those lines the engine malfunction light did come on briefly but went out again, I am trying to get time to get it to nissan so they can inspect and check the onboard diagnostics.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 wreckers


    hello chaps, new here so hello to everyone from me!
    i have a nissan almera 2004 with same running problem, which is running fine until left on idle for few minutes. Power dissapears and wont run above 4000 rpm (limp mode), however if you switch engine off and restart all ok. i have read fault code and this fault in particullar P0089 fuel pressure regulator performance keeps comming back at all the time. I have been adviced that it could be sucttion control valve at the back of the pump that is not working correctly. I have now replaced this item and made things lot worse????
    are there any adjustments or calibrations that can be done after replacing this suction control valve?
    is there anyone amoungst us who got to the bottom of this P0089 fault code?
    Thanks you everyone


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 Dougie99


    Hi, i am new to this and i know the pain you are going through as i have just come out of this annoying fault. Drive the car for a while and all is ok, stop at a junction for more than 30 seconds and when pulling away the car goes into limp mode. Switch engine off and back on again and runs fine with no problems until you sit engine into idle again for more than 30 seconds.

    I have read the horror stories of nissan charging over £1000 to replace the fuel pump, but this is probably not required in most of the cases of veichles with this problem. I have done lots of testing to the fuel pressure regulator and found this was ok and not at fault.
    What i did do, after being advised on the net was i replaced the SCV- Suction Control Valve, which is on the fuel pump itself and can now be bought as a single part from nissan without the need to buy the whole flaming fuel pump, and cost me about £122 inc VAT. But after replacing the problem was still there, so i took it to nissan and got the fuel pump re-calibrated on their diagnostic machine (about £65 depending on dealer) and now works all fine.

    No more P0089 (fuel pressure regulator performance 1) codes in either registered or pending codes within the ECU, so it may be worth trying that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 wreckers


    Hello DOUGIE 99,

    I have taken my Nissan almera 2.2 dci to a place called COLCHESTER FUEL INJECTIONS and ask them if they have facility to recalibrate-sinchronise my SUCTION CONTROL VALVE to Engine ECU as local chelmsford NISSAN DEALER WASN'T ANY HELP at all. All mechanics were so rude...wonder how they still have any business!!! anyway, upon asking this question workshop manager IAN From COLCHESTER FUEL INJECTIONS said that they are authorised DENSO dealer and they can do such operation (in fact they have more diagnostig equpiment than NISSAN themselves and they can rectify problem lot faster INTO DETAIL and dont charge ££££ like NISSAN!!!!!) I am telling you that these people know what they are DOING! After calibration, car worked perfectly fine and fault code P0089 has dissapeared and only charged me £68--not like nissan who wanted £1500 for new high fuel pump and labour and even this wouldnt CURE the problem?????
    I also must say a BIG THANK YOU to man called DALE from one of the nissan forums, as he was the first person who advised me what really needs doing before spending ££££ on new high fuel pressure pump.
    So, DALE if you are reading this, not only myself but MANY other hundreds of people are thankfull to you for stepping into this problem issue and helping us all out!!!!
    VIVA LA DALE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 minaz


    I have the same problem. Fuel rail changed on 2.2 DCI engine. Is there any specialist in Midlands who can solve this. How can I contact Dale? Grateful for any help. Dealer useless & all others just interested in getting your money!! Code P0089


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 minaz


    Spoke to Colchester Fuel Services Very helpful Thanks guys.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 Long_Lam


    hi Guys,

    new to this forum as i've bee searching for a solution to a problem with my '05 Tino DCI.

    it's not the same problem as highlighted here, but it's worth asking as i've been advised from a local Nissan garage that it could be a problem with the suction control valve or worse the fuel pump.

    the symptoms are an erratic idle speed which revs between 1000-500rpm when i'm stationary. the problem doesn't show itself when driving, but sometimes when changing gears there is a jerk.
    it is worse in the morning from a cold start and the engine almost seems it's going to cut off.

    i don't have access to equipment to get the fault codes, how do i do that?

    if you have any idea what the problem can be, i'd appreciate an reply.

    I'll give Colchester a call to see if they recognise this problem.

    thanks in advance,
    Long.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭EPM


    Long_Lam wrote: »
    i don't have access to equipment to get the fault codes, how do i do that?

    If you've had it to a garage already they should be able to tell you


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 Mickeym530


    iv seen this fault loadsa times and there is no cure only an injector pump..iv being working with nissan for the past 5 yrs and on the 2.2 dci fitted to primera p12,almera n16 xtrail and tino this p0089 means nothing but an injector pump..so no point doing whatever ur on bout its a pump fault,doin a fuel pump learn can sometimes hide the problem for a brief period but it will most definetly come back into the vehicle


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 Long_Lam


    Mickeym530 wrote: »
    iv seen this fault loadsa times and there is no cure only an injector pump.

    hi Mickey, are you referring to my issue with the erratic engine idle or the problem of the original poster?

    it sounds like the exact advice i was given by my local Nissan dealer, e.g. swap the suction control valve and if that doesn't fix the problem, then get a new fuel pump (at £2000 a pop). I recently got this car and it has warranty on it which will cover the parts, but the labour only up to £40/hour which won't cover the full labour rate.

    cheers,
    Long.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 Mickeym530


    sorry long lam,i didnt even read ur thread properly-i have seen that exact problem u are having twice on that 2.2dci but on p12 primera,and it was the suction control valve on the back of the high pressure pump,its held in with two torques and a block connector,10min job and then reset the fuel pump and she be flying it..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 Long_Lam


    Mickeym530 wrote: »
    10min job and then reset the fuel pump and she be flying it..

    hi Mickey,

    I can't believe it's a 10 min job! where can i get that done? my local Nissan dealer in West London is quoting me about 2-3 hours work. the part itself (suction control valve) is about £150. does any of what they are telling me ring true...?

    thanks,
    Long.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 Long_Lam


    Hi guys,

    i found my service sheet from the garage. the fault code is:

    P1272 FRP Relief Valve.

    seems I have a different problem...

    Out of curiosity, does anyone know what make the ECU and fuel pump are? Bosch, etc?

    thanks,
    Long.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 Mickeym530


    im telling u the scv is bolted onto back of the injector pump with two torx bolts and then a block connector..they must b talking bout sumthing else,i can get u d original technical bulletin on this issue but i wnt b bk to work till nx thur as i got 4 wisdom teeth out,what was d west london dealer?


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 Mickeym530


    ohh ya ther denso pumps,cant tink of the code straight off,the frp valve usually comes up as a pump fault but ur symptoms are d scv,ther only bout 90eur in ireland if i can remember correctly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 Long_Lam


    Mickeym530 wrote: »
    i can get u d original technical bulletin on this issue but i wnt b bk to work till nx thur as i got 4 wisdom teeth out,what was d west london dealer?

    hi,

    I hope your operation went well... a colleague at work had 2 wisdom teeth taken out last week too...

    the Nissan dealer is WLMG (West London Motor Group) in Shepperton. the advice i got was good i believe as i spoke to Colchester Fuel Injection and they confirmed that it could be either the suction control valve as well and also potentially a fuel filter.

    I had the fuel filter changed my WLMG Shepperton today. the problem seems to have gone away, but i need to check it properly tomorrow morning as it really shows itself on a cold start.

    If you're feeling up to it, can you send me that technical bulletin on this problem in case it rears its ugly head again.

    thanks, hope you're feeling okay.

    Long.


  • Registered Users Posts: 34 magicjj5


    Hi all

    After 11 Months I finally got my almera in to a garage to deal with the power problems i detailed when I started this thread. I had the garage check all parts of the system injection pump, injectors the whole lot. They came back to me saying there is an electronic problem which causes a mechanical problem inside the fuel pump and the best thing is to replace it with a new modified version of the pump which is now only available in the last 6 months(Ireland). Nissan are FULLY AWARE OF THIS PROBLEM and will supply the new modified pumps but NOT as a recall. So I have my pump on order due to be fitted Monday. I will keep posted how this goes towards solving the problem. I am sure anyone who has considered forking out the huge money to get this done will be interested to see if it solves the problem.
    Many thanks to our friends in the UK who posted to this thread as this is a really bad problem and we all need all the info we can get.


  • Registered Users Posts: 34 magicjj5


    hoorah!!!!!

    I have my new fuel pump installed!!!! I managed to get my pump reconditioned as opposed to getting a brand new one from nissan only cost me €260.00. I also replaced the supply solenoid on the the back of the pump which cost €160.00. My new re-con pump had to be initialised by Hutton&Meade in Blanchardstown who said nine times out of ten changing the solenoid will fix the common problem. I was unlucky with mine they found two valves and two seals damaged in my own pump(injection services in Dublin did the re-con) . So now she is up and running fine again. Definitely recommend changing the solenoid first if anyone experiences any sudden loss of power.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 aleeee53


    hi everyone.i have nissan almera 01.and its 1.6 petrol engine.problom is its reving up and down on idling and wen i stop somewhere engine just go off.i have replaced.air flow meter.rpm sensor.and camshaft sensor..any ideas?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭pajo1981


    Three people, all from the london area, created accounts just to respond to this thread :)

    I would elaborate but I am getting cosmetic surgery done on my nose (due to an accident involving P009384).

    Thanks you and bye.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭tinofapples


    This sounds like just the same issue I'm having with newly acquired X-trail 2.2. Have it going to Nissan tomorrow morning for diagnostics test.


  • Registered Users Posts: 34 magicjj5


    I would think it likely that it is as the motor used in your x-trail is exactly the same, If I was to offer any advice I would recommend using a 2nd opinion from a trusted diesel specialist as nissan dealers offer an injection pump replacement as the preferred course of action to remedy this fault. With the cost of these pumps above E1000 a diesel specialist will probably opt to replace the fuel PSV solenoid first and then re-con the pump to solve the fault if necessary. This is a more cost effective strategy in my opinion and the results with my almera have been excellent.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭tinofapples


    magicjj5 wrote: »
    I would think it likely that it is as the motor used in your x-trail is exactly the same, If I was to offer any advice I would recommend using a 2nd opinion from a trusted diesel specialist as nissan dealers offer an injection pump replacement as the preferred course of action to remedy this fault. With the cost of these pumps above E1000 a diesel specialist will probably opt to replace the fuel PSV solenoid first and then re-con the pump to solve the fault if necessary. This is a more cost effective strategy in my opinion and the results with my almera have been excellent.

    Thanks,
    I'll throw it into Nissan tomorrow morning and see what they say. I'll have a chat with my local mechanic after that and see what he says and may decide to go down the route you recommend, someone like this I guess:

    http://www.dieselinjectionservices.ie/index.html

    Ideally I'd prefer to get someone closer, Galway,Roscommon or Athlone areas. Any recommendations here ?

    David.


  • Registered Users Posts: 34 magicjj5


    No worries, I found this after a quick search :
    Loughrea Diesel Injection Services
    Address: Carramore Loughrea Co. Galway
    City of Galway
    Phone: (091)841693
    Categories: Diesel Engineers,

    Anyone who deals with common rail diesels and modern ECUs should pursue this fault in a cost effective manner I believe that renault/nissan 2.2dci motor is used in a good volume of vehicles and for this reason I believe you should be able to find someone familiar with this issue.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭tinofapples


    magicjj5 wrote: »
    No worries, I found this after a quick search :
    Loughrea Diesel Injection Services
    Address: Carramore Loughrea Co. Galway
    City of Galway
    Phone: (091)841693
    Categories: Diesel Engineers,

    Anyone who deals with common rail diesels and modern ECUs should pursue this fault in a cost effective manner I believe that renault/nissan 2.2dci motor is used in a good volume of vehicles and for this reason I believe you should be able to find someone familiar with this issue.

    Yeah had spotted that fella as well, first things first hear what Nissan have to say.

    And thanks again BTW


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭tinofapples


    Code 0089 its reading alright. Suggested remedy from Nissan replace the suction control valve. Agreed to get it done straight away, fingers crossed problem will be solved.

    Engine management light will be another days work. Fella reckons the whole unit will have to replaced. Might suss out some electrical repairs service to see if led might be able to replaced. Failing that i'll have to source a secondhand unit. Nissan want €700 +vat :’(


  • Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭darkslider


    Exactly the same issue with my 05 Xtrail.
    Let us know if replacing the SCV did the trick please?
    When I get a chance I'm thinking I'll get nissan to do this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭tinofapples


    darkslider wrote: »
    Exactly the same issue with my 05 Xtrail.
    Let us know if replacing the SCV did the trick please?
    When I get a chance I'm thinking I'll get nissan to do this.

    A week on now and thankfully in my case we've not experienced limp mode since. The Nissan mexhanic said after replacing it that it was perfect and with the exception of the dashlight needing repair or replacement shes pretty good alright.

    Cost €355 which included diagnostics first then supply and fitting of new scv.

    Hope that helps you somehow and you don't have bigger issues.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭darkslider


    A week on now and thankfully in my case we've not experienced limp mode since. The Nissan mexhanic said after replacing it that it was perfect and with the exception of the dashlight needing repair or replacement shes pretty good alright.

    Cost €355 which included diagnostics first then supply and fitting of new scv.

    Hope that helps you somehow and you don't have bigger issues.

    Ha! Me too mate and I'm glad to hear yer sorted.
    Could I ask you, were you charged for a Fuel pump calibration or maybe 'Fuel system Learn'?
    I can pick up a genuine Nissan SCV for about 200 and I'm pretty sure I can fit it myself. Obviously don't have the technology to re-calibrate the fuel pump.


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