Dublin Duathlon Series

Dowee

Does anyone know if this is taking place this year?, it seems to have been taken off the Triathlon Ireland calendar.

jlang

Hope there's no change as I was planning on taking part. There's a web page at http://www.dublintri.com/duathlon.html

911sc

Actually, i was looking at this last night.
Indeed, the race schedule has been removed from the TI website.
Have a look at the race calendar at www.runireland.com

The format of Race4 of the series is somehow interesting.

christeb

http://www.runireland.com/events/duathlon-series-race-1

I presume these are the ones you're referring to? Would seem like they're on from runireland but they're not on TI alright.
Would be disappointed if they're not on, was looking forward to them

MadHatter

I see all 4 races in the series are now back in the TI event calendar.

http://www.triathlonireland-server.com/Events/EventCalendar

Hopefully the removal of the events was down to some technicality (like tunney's suggestion of missing a deadline) rather than a political spat that could blow up again in the future.

messed_up

Now that they're back on the schedule, anybody know when entry will open for them?

Poncherello

if u subscribe to the google groups dist list on belpark website u can keep up to date with this

Brian Crinion

<Mod Snip - no "real" names and please no personal battles!>

To put a more :)positive:) view on things

The Duathlon series is happening. The 6th of May Duathlon will be the 25th Duathlon we’ve held. We’re constantly amazed how what was conceived as a low maintenance mid week event, gets such big numbers and brings so many new people into the sport.

Entries are now open on http://www.runireland.com/events/duathlon-series-race-1 (minor tweaks to text and entry tabs will follow)

Top Athletes already signed up
We’ve already got some of the best athletes signed up. Beth McCluskey (probably the best mountain biker in Ireland and Irish International mountain runner) is back from injury and racing. Mark Doyle is racing. He’s fresh from his overall win as well as 2 commanding individual wins in the Punchestown Duathlon series. There are also a few new mountain runners who look like they’ll rip up the run course in a manner not seen since Garry Crossan raced the duathlons in preparation for his wins in the Irish marathon championships. It’s going to be class!

Formula 1 Duathlon
This year we’re putting on a Formula 1 Duathlon for the August event. 2004 was that last time we ran a 'Formula 1' event, which was won by Irish International Allistair McCaw (who came over from the Netherlands for the race). A Formula 1 duathlon goes as follows, run, cycle, run, cycle, run. It's a duathlon format which usually results in several changes of the race lead as well as makes the 4 transitions critical. Allistair only won the 2004 race in a sprint finish. Great for both spectators as well as competitors.

Press reports & Photos
For some press reports on last years series see the Tri247 report http://www.tri247.com/article_3768_Runways+Duathlon+2008+%E2%80%93+Save+the+best+for+last.html?region_id=&category=duathlon
Race report from Ireland’s Current European & World Duathlon Champion http://davidvaughanduathlon.blogspot.com/2008/08/dublin-duathlon-win.html
An Evening herald report http://www.dublintri.com/Evening%20Herald%20Article%20-%2010th%20July%202008.pdf
Some images from last year are on flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/28387413@N02/sets/

Keep it :)positive:) & hope to see you on the start line.
__________
Brian Crinion
Belpark Tri Club – Events Director
www.dublintri.com
www.triathy.com

--amadeus--

Mod Post

Folks it sounds like there is history there. Whatever squabbles and politics there are please keep them off here and in private.

Thanks

milligank

Well said.

Can we not just keep triathlon for racing ?

Politics belong in the Dail.

locteau

I was following the thread quietly as per usual.

We all know that every race is reviewed again and again to be better each year.

But we always forgot behind those events there is people under pressure to make sure they happen. Most of them are volunteers, and even some get paid like myself we mostly heard the unhappy people complaining about this and that, where is the "Fairplay" and motivational help from athletes to make sure organisers do it again and again. Instead Human nature try to put them down which does not help of us to keep going.

Yes, races are not perfect, but trying is better than nothing.

The funny part is that they are always the same complaining.:rolleyes:

There is big responsabilities to organise an event and the "grumpy" are usually the ones who are not brave enough to take the risks. they also work really hard and take the risks to give away some precious social/familly time. In the case of most the organisers they do it for other people like us, and I thank them for this.

Thank you to boards.ie to remove the comments which were not necessary.

thirstywork

A few of my fellow runners did these last year and raved at how much fun they where.
Its amazing at how many people of all abilities would enjoy this series and how little people know its actually on.

911sc

Just received by email.

The Duathlon Series is now open for entries.

May the 6th will be the 25th Duathlon we’ve held. We’re constantly amazed how what was conceived as a low maintenance mid week event, gets such big numbers and brings so many new people into the sport. Entries are now open on http://www.dublintri.com/duathlon%20entry.html

This year we’re teaming up with Trinity College Triathlon Club (http://www.peripatos.net/tcdtri/) in what we hope will be the best series to date.

milligank

Is June event going ahead ??

911sc

It is listed on www.runireland.com

I hope it does... i can't do it but was planning on going to the park with the young 911SCs to see it, first time i'll have a chance to see what's going on at the front of the race:)

milligank

Hot off the TI webiste.... I prefer racing to Politics but hey, when its on the TI site it public...

Following recent discussions between Triathlon Ireland and Belpark Triathlon Club, the situation remains that next week’s scheduled duathlon in Phoenix Park is NOT a Triathlon Ireland sanctioned event, therefore will not be insured by Triathlon Ireland.
Across the country, the vast majority of race organisers and athletes understand the need for the sanctioning process and appreciate the input of our volunteer Technical Delegates and Race Referees who ensure safe and fair races for all. Unfortunately, over the last couple of seasons we have seen repeated verbal abuse of TI officials and blatant non-compliance with advice from a very small minority within the Belpark club. This culminated at the last Duathlon on 6th May 2009 when the designated Race Director was out surveying the course with the nominated TI race officials when the race was started by an unauthorised member of the club. The race permit was therefore not signed and the event was held without insurance.
Triathlon Ireland will not condone this behaviour. We must ensure the safety of our members, protect the integrity of our officials and uphold the conditions of our Insurance Policy which covers sanctioned races. A decision has therefore been taken that no further Belpark events will be sanctioned by TI until satisfactory assurances are received that the sanctioning process will be followed in the same manner as every other club and that appointed race officials are free from abuse and intimidation. It is regrettable that the many decent members of the Belpark club are affected, but for the greater good of the sport in Ireland we must do what is right. If you have entered a Belpark event, we suggest that you contact the club and clarify whether the event will take place and under what insurance it will be held. Triathlon Ireland will be notifying other stakeholders of our decision to withdraw sanctioning and therefore insurance cover. Please be advised that Triathlon Ireland insurance does NOT cover a non TI sanctioned race.

mloc123

hmmm

I'll cross skerries off my list then. Will this affect Tri Athy I wonder?

Dowee

Anyone know if this is going to affect Tri-Athy as well?

locteau

Sorry guys is anybody can tell me what they mean by "Triathlon Ireland will be notifying other stakeholders of our decision"

Is that the members (stakeholders) ?

--amadeus--

Pre-Emptive Mod Warning:

I have no issue with you discussing the politics but please keep it civil - one thread on this had to be washed in the past because of personal differences between posters We can talk about the issues and repercussions without slagging each other off.

trinewbie

Im sure Athy wont be affected, I would also be very very surprised if skerries did not go ahead

milligank

My thoughts are this...

Athy will go ahead - Its linked to Trilogy ! and most other races linked to this issue will go ahead with a different type of insurance. (I hope).

The mail I got from the Duathlon Google group said the 6th June Duathlon was going ahead.

So I'll be there because I like to race.
I'll be at any race that I think is safe.
I dont really care who runs it and who the insurance comes from, once its there.

Happy racing, Politics on the 5th , racing on the 6th June

Poncherello

Verbal Abuse ??
Sounds very strange

trinewbie

Its hard to know what to believe with all the mumbo jumbo crap going on....


All I know is ill be there next Wednesday racing and enjoying what is a great (and IMO a very safe) race.

Highway_To_Hell

milligank wrote: »

The mail I got from the Duathlon Google group said the 6th June Duathlon was going ahead.

Happy racing, Politics on the 5th , racing on the 6th June

just in case you arrive 3 days late, the June Duathlon is on Wednesday June 3rd.

Poncherello

mloc123 wrote: »

hmmm

I'll cross skerries off my list then. Will this affect Tri Athy I wonder?

no need to cross it off for this reason

tunney

Poncherello wrote: »

Verbal Abuse ??
Sounds very strange

It is very strange, but true.

milligank

Highway_To_Hell wrote: »

just in case you arrive 3 days late, the June Duathlon is on Wednesday June 3rd.

So true....

6th is kept for the Wicklow 100km.

tunney

Wow - didn't know that the last race was started being the race was signed off. That is some exposure.........

The TDs are pulled from clubs, they've no afflilations or loyalties bar to their own clubs, they're just there for safety purposes.

I'd say that this is a ongoing thing and there is probably alot going on behind the scenes in terms of talks and mediation and hopefully it will all be resolved in time. I remember some great nights racing in the Park, I'd love to be able to do some more.

hunnymonster

milligank wrote: »

So true....

6th is kept for the Wicklow 100km.

7th? I'm confused :-(

jlang

Assuming the duathlon is run without TI involvement does that affect the need for the one day license? Might everyone have to pay extra for insurance even with a TI number, or noone?

christeb

jlang wrote: »

Assuming the duathlon is run without TI involvement does that affect the need for the one day license? Might everyone have to pay extra for insurance even with a TI number, or noone?

Just sent an email to the guys Re: this very point, surely the registration is cheaper? I'm looking to register for the remaining races having been away for the first.

tunney

christeb wrote: »

Just sent an email to the guys Re: this very point, surely the registration is cheaper? I'm looking to register for the remaining races having been away for the first.

Why would it be cheaper? The full cost of the insurance for this event will now have to be paid for by the event?

new2triathlon

I’m really surprised by the public nature and escalation of this dispute between Belpark and Triathlon Ireland. Whatever the difficulties/mistakes were with the first race (and whatever the personality clashes), surely it should have been resolved behind close doors. As bad as Athletics Ireland internal strife can be, it never actually advertises it on their website- hope no journalist picks up on this story.....

Poncherello

Saipan all over again Tom Humphries will be looking for your number when he is doing his background research Tunney !!! ha ha

christeb

tunney wrote: »

Why would it be cheaper? The full cost of the insurance for this event will now have to be paid for by the event?

Well possibly not but surely the site should be updated to reflect whatever is going on, the next event is only 6 days away...

asimonov

There was a thread yesterday called "dirty washing", sounds appropriate.

Genghis

TI website has been changed to clarify that TriAthy will be sanctioned. Phew!

onimpulse

I can't believe all that's been said publicly quite frankly. Every organisation has internal politics - they don't all post up on their website slateing clubs and those clubs don't all send out emails slateing the governing bodies. It's disgraceful behaviour on both sides and really lets triathlon down.

911sc

jlang wrote: »

Might everyone have to pay extra for insurance even with a TI number, or none?

I am wondering as well about insurance. I got a yearly TI licence as I intended to do the 4 duathlon in Phoenix Park, Athy and Eireman or Ireman HIM.
Now, looks like I may have wasted money by getting a yearly TI licence.:(

Does TI not need the clubs (who organise events) more than the clubs need TI?

Take the 25.5 series for instance. Comments here

yelttayrag

Triathlon Ireland take it to another level.

To inform stakeholders. I think this means the club secretaries and therefore the members ?

I have only checked a few club sites but 3D have it on thier main page. Have they picked a side ????

Pulse - not on site
Piranaha - not on site
Belpark - not on site em.em.em.em. I wonder ?
Liquid Motion - not on site
Setanta tri - not on site
Wicklow tri - not on site.

I'msure we will see when the other clubs post up something.

Should the clubs not post the message below and a statement that the race is going ahead. This would be in the best interest of their members.

This is on the 3D website.

Dear Club Secretaries,

Please see below notification regarding the Dublin Duathlon Series (race 2)
to be held on Wednesday 3rd June. We would ask that you please distribute
this message to your club members.

Kind regards,
Triathlon Ireland


Duathlon in the Park Clarification:
Following recent discussions between Triathlon Ireland and Belpark
Triathlon Club, the situation remains that next week's scheduled duathlon
in Phoenix Park is NOT a Triathlon Ireland sanctioned event, therefore will
not be insured by Triathlon Ireland.

Across the country, the vast majority of race organisers and athletes
understand the need for the sanctioning process and appreciate the input of
our volunteer Technical Delegates and Race Referees who ensure safe and
fair races for all. Unfortunately, over the last couple of seasons we have
seen repeated verbal abuse of TI officials and blatant non-compliance with
advice from a very small minority within the Belpark club. This culminated
at the last Duathlon on 6th May 2009 when the designated Race Director was
out surveying the course with the nominated TI race officials when the race
was started by an unauthorised member of the club. The race permit was
therefore not signed and the event was held without insurance.

Triathlon Ireland will not condone this behaviour. We must ensure the
safety of our members, protect the integrity of our officials and uphold
the conditions of our Insurance Policy which covers sanctioned races. A
decision has therefore been taken that no further Belpark events will be
sanctioned by TI until satisfactory assurances are received that the
sanctioning process will be followed in the same manner as every other club
and that appointed race officials are free from abuse and intimidation. It
is regrettable that the many decent members of the Belpark club are
affected, but for the greater good of the sport in Ireland we must do what
is right.

If you have entered a Belpark event, we suggest that you contact the club
and clarify whether the event will take place and under what insurance it
will be held. Triathlon Ireland will be notifying other stakeholders of our
decision to withdraw sanctioning and therefore insurance cover. Please be
advised that Triathlon Ireland insurance does NOT cover a non TI sanctioned
race.

Please also note that the TriAthy Triathlon being held on Saturday 30th May
is not affected and will still be sanctioned by Triathlon Ireland.

tunney

@yelttayrag : I think at this stage reputations are preceding people.

911sc

yelttayrag wrote: »

Belpark - not on site em.em.em.em. I wonder ?

May be they are/were too busy putting the final touch to the organisation of a Triathlon ?

onimpulse

yelttayrag wrote: »

...

I have only checked a few club sites but 3D have it on thier main page. Have they picked a side ????
Dear Club Secretaries,

Please see below notification regarding the Dublin Duathlon Series (race 2)
to be held on Wednesday 3rd June. We would ask that you please distribute
this message to your club members.

Kind regards,
Triathlon Ireland


Duathlon in the Park Clarification:
Following...

I'd say 3D are just doing as TI asked & informing their members. People can decide themselves if they want to do the duathlon next week or not but at least 3D members are aware of the facts. Surely the clubs have a duty to inform their members when asked to do so by TI?

christeb

Anybody know how to enter for this tomorrow? On the RunIreland site you can only enter online for the 2 races (july / August)...
S'pose I'll just have to get there early

jlang

The timetable last month was pre-entered entrants could register from 6pm. Registration on the day started at 7pm. At the top of the Khyber Road just across from the Papal Cross. Plenty of (car) parking at the Papal Cross.

911sc

cantswim wrote: »

If the races in the park (or any other race) have to pay insurance seperately it would cost alot more than it does now through TI which would mean higher entry fees.

well, answered in email we just received

2009duathlon@gmail.com wrote:

TI members will not be charged any one day Insurance, so remember to bring your TI membership card.
Non-TI members will be charged a reduced one-day insurance of €8. We're passing on the reduction from the standard €10 (charged by TI) directly to you.

Food for thought :rolleyes:

milligank

Duathlon was ran tonight in the Park without TI I think.

Full house of people and another great race.

The weather helped and the event was excellent.

I'll be back for the next ones.

milligank

jlang

I agree with milligank. Very nice evening for a good race. I was curious about the announced 7:15 men's start (earlier than publicised, I think), but I suspect that was only to make sure people would be ready for 7:30. Well run on the day and I think the tweaked run out of T2 through the woods was an improvement which worked well reducing the importance of good transition position. I don't know the thinking behind it but having the ladies race start 15 mins later (instead of 5) reduced the congestion on the bike course. Did mean I didn't get as much overtaking practice as last month

I've had a tough couple of days and I knew my legs were tired before the race so was worried a few times that I'd cramp up. Each stage is so short that you can't do anything other than go really flat out the whole way. Still I felt more comfortable on the bike and managed to cut a few minutes off last month's time. On the second run I found myself running alongside a guy in a Lidl cycling jersey who'd had similar times in the earlier stages and I basically said "race ya!". Together we reeled in about half a dozen places. He did beat me soundly by the end but he was trying to catch his friend and I don't think he would have done so without me there. I certainly wouldn't have kept as strong as I did up to the finish.

(Think I saw christeb in his boards singlet at the end but when I got my bike you were gone.)

christeb

^ Hi jlang, yeah that was me alright.
Really REALLY enjoyed the night, as you say it's flat out for the whole thing, little time to think about pacing. 1st run went well, found myself doing 4.45 pace after the first .2m on the Garmin, eventually slowed to 5.48 for mile 1 (fastest mile I've ever recorded!). Reeled in a good few on the bike, on the straight on the 2nd lap I gave out to some chap from Pulse Tri (are you gonna overtake me or are you just drafting?). I finally got angry and put the foot down to get away from him. T2 went better than T1 (took ages to get onto the bike) and finished the 2nd lap in about 6.20 average pace. 43.07 overall, 5.40 faster than I finished this one last year.
I didn't overtake anyone on the last run, about 10 guys went past me altogether so that's the only real obvious area I need to work on.

911sc

Well done to all.
I could not participate in the race but went to the park to watch it. It was my way of showing support for the Duathlon series regardless of TI involvement.
Was good to see the front of the race for once.!
I was the guy having a BigMc & a cold coke on the lawn while you were all sweating. I did feel a big guilty though, nnoott:rolleyes: