Is it time for another "rising"?

veryangryman

Now before you diss my idea, lets remember the background of the second world war...

Huge global depression a-la 1929 stock market crash
Greedy employers ignoring Unions who had little to no power
High unemployment
A general feeling of depression throughout the world

Resources throughout the world are running out. People are becoming more and more desperate as they struggle to keep above water. Those without jobs (the unemplyed, students, the old, infirmed etc) are also being raped by the governments. The employers themselves are using the recession as an excuse to bypass basic human rights to their employees with an attitude of "well everyone else is doing this so..."

I can see within the next 5 years, alot of anarachy across the world. The current system is not working - lets be honest. I for one am extremely disillusioned with what has gone on. Who here can say they are not extremely pissed off at the way the guys at the top have run things

My name is URL

Rise to what exactly?

stovelid

There was a rising in my dressing gown this morning.

Anyone else fancy that blonde mot on Ireland AM?

Vain

Why not. You start the rising so and il be right behind you to follow on...... I swear.:pac:

Hagar

I read that twice, I still can't make head nor tail of what you're trying to say.
Can you speak any other languages?
Give it another go in Spanish or something and I'll try to read it again.

James Forde

We won the Grandslam...........I thought the recession was over?

SV

Some man from the daily mail reckons it wouldn't be surprising anyway.

S.I.R

Upward Spiral wrote: »

Rise to what exactly?

rise to remove the current government, put a new one in then let that fail too... people have no patience, its going to be over, just shush up and get on with your lifes... its not our fault you cant make money OP... go back and live with your parents, do whatever it takes to get back on solid ground...


pesky unemployed/students " blah blah education is a right blah blah blah " -

so is getting paid for the hard work you do...

not getting paid enough ?? - your not in the right job


not working at all - finding a job is a full time job... Go about it arseways you'll be out of work longer then you should be.

ahh... had to vent...

stovelid... get me a youtube link, ima bust a nut.

Berty

Oh God. Its another out to get "The Man" thread.

Socialist by chance?

SEPT 23 1989

the unions are also to blame for this shambles

connundrum

stovelid wrote: »

There was a rising in my dressing gown this morning.

Anyone else fancy that blonde mot on Ireland AM?

The one that keeps waving her hands about while she's doing the weather?

No.

As for a rising..

All it would accomplish is more anarchy, followed by more recession.

And as was previously mentioned, who do you rise against?

damselnat

Remember after 1929 and the Versailles Treaty and social unrest, this guy called Mussolini...and this other fella, think his name was like Hitler or something....promised something similar.....?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Are you SERIOUS? We can't even get people to stop voting for Fianna Fail, let alone rise!!

Kintarō Hattori

No.

veryangryman

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Are you SERIOUS? We can't even get people to stop voting for Fianna Fail, let alone rise!!

Thats loser talk! Get with the winning team. What needs to happen is a rise against ALL the major parties.

ie. Lose both the Fiannas and Labour. They are letting us down BIG TIME here. What if it does lead to another recession? I dont think that this action could make things anyway worse

Dont dismiss me as a socialist. The point is that WE, the people make this government. WE can break it.

In conclusion, im voting for an independent in the next local, european and national elections. Might not be a huge step towards anarchy, but its definitely a vote for a step in the right direction.

Jumpy

I'll be your future overlord.

Its a huge responsibility. But I accept.

Jigsaw

Jumpy wrote: »

I'll be your future overlord.

Its a huge responsibility. But I accept.

I, for one, welcome you.

:pac:

Sanjuro

veryangryman wrote: »

Thats loser talk! Get with the winning team. What needs to happen is a rise against ALL the major parties.

ie. Lose both the Fiannas and Labour. They are letting us down BIG TIME here. What if it does lead to another recession? I dont think that this action could make things anyway worse

Dont dismiss me as a socialist. The point is that WE, the people make this government. WE can break it.

In conclusion, im voting for an independent in the next local, european and national elections. Might not be a huge step towards anarchy, but its definitely a vote for a step in the right direction.

Apart from getting rid of Fianna Fail, FINE Gael and Labour, may as well dump the government mud-guard that is the Green Party and the boardering on ultra-nationalist Sinn Féin. And then what?

The thing about it is, it doesn't matter what politician you vote for. By their very nature, politicians are self-serving. And you don't get to the top by being a man (or woman) of the people. You get there by being even more self-serving and conniving than your peers. It's just in the psychology of the politician.

Rhyme

Yeah, let's kick out those in power and... then what?

There isn't a big enough rolleye emoticon.

veryangryman

Rhyme wrote: »

Yeah, let's kick out those in power and... then what?

Thats for the up and coming party to decide

And i will repeat what i said - it cant make things worse. Its amazing what confidence a fresh face can achieve. Witness Obama...

aidan_walsh

veryangryman wrote: »

Thats loser talk! Get with the winning team. What needs to happen is a rise against ALL the major parties.

ie. Lose both the Fiannas and Labour. They are letting us down BIG TIME here. What if it does lead to another recession? I dont think that this action could make things anyway worse

Dont dismiss me as a socialist. The point is that WE, the people make this government. WE can break it.

In conclusion, im voting for an independent in the next local, european and national elections. Might not be a huge step towards anarchy, but its definitely a vote for a step in the right direction.

Dammit, he's right. I'm voting Social Democrat, or whoever it is has all those posters declaring that the only way to fix the economy is to petrol bomb the police.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

veryangryman wrote: »

Thats loser talk! Get with the winning team. What needs to happen is a rise against ALL the major parties.

ie. Lose both the Fiannas and Labour. They are letting us down BIG TIME here. What if it does lead to another recession? I dont think that this action could make things anyway worse

Dont dismiss me as a socialist. The point is that WE, the people make this government. WE can break it.

In conclusion, im voting for an independent in the next local, european and national elections. Might not be a huge step towards anarchy, but its definitely a vote for a step in the right direction.

Same direction, just one step further: I voted for independants in the last two elections. My question is: how are you going to convince the idiots that DID vote FF, openly admit it and would vote for them AGAIN to join in?

Mr.Lizard

It's time to rock the vote people! Yeah!

topper75

veryangryman wrote: »

ie. Lose both the Fiannas and Labour. They are letting us down BIG TIME here.

Who is the other Fianna apart from Fianna Fáil? Jason Sherlock's club?

Iang87

i'll vote for you as long as you run under the name veryangryman. Also in your campaign picture i want to see you give a big smile and a thumbs up a la Steve-o.

Last Angry Man

No relation by the way....

Wouldn't it be great to have another war? You know, sacrifice billions of people's lives because things are a bit tight at the moment?

It took a decade for the good times to follow after the end of WWII and the world was back in recession by 1972 - interestingly enough the reasons for the recession on the 1970s are not entirely unfamiliar.

The thing about recession is that everyone is to blame and nobody is to blame. Just have to ride it out I'm afraid.

Last Angry Man

Jumpy wrote: »

I'll be your future overlord.

Its a huge responsibility. But I accept.

"Jumpy" has to be the best nae for an overlord ever!!!

Keep him away from the button!!!

Jumpy

I already pressed it

Last Angry Man

Jumpy wrote: »

I'll be your future overlord.

Its a huge responsibility. But I accept.

"Jumpy" has to be the best name for an overlord ever!!!

Keep him away from the button!!!

Dartz

They'll just roll over and squash you.

Constitution wrote:

Article 28.3.3
Nothing in this Constitution shall be invoked to invalidate any law enacted by the Oireachtas which is expressed to be for the purpose of securing the public safety and the preservation of the State in time of war or armed rebellion, or to nullify any act done or purporting to be done in time of war or armed rebellion in pursuance of any such law. In this sub-section 'time of war' includes a time when there is taking place an armed conflict in which the State is not a participant but in respect of which each of the Houses of the Oireachtas shall have resolved that, arising out of such armed conflict, a national emergency exists affecting the vital interests of the State and 'time of war or armed rebellion' includes such time after the termination of any war, or of any such armed conflict as aforesaid, or of an armed rebellion, as may elapse until each of the Houses of the Oireachtas shall have resolved that the national emergency occasioned by such war, armed conflict, or armed rebellion has ceased to exist.

Tech3

damselnat wrote: »

Remember after 1929 and the Versailles Treaty and social unrest, this guy called Mussolini...and this other fella, think his name was like Hitler or something....promised something similar.....?

Ever look at cuba their country runs fine under socialist policies.

It is the government problem that people dont have jobs. The PDs were a disaster and FF leaned too much with them on lax tax and public sector issues when the property boom started. If there is no jobs then what can people do??

Under a communist state we would have people working for the good of country. The problem is there is no party out there to agree with my political views. The labour party might as well be right wing for all I care. The socialist party are in a small majority which is one of the problems and sinn fein is too nationist for me.

thelordofcheese

Jumpy wrote: »

I pressed it 35 minutes ago

Fix'd

Akantha

We will need tanks people, big friggin tanks.

If we can get them with big lasers on them, all the better.

Captain-America

veryangryman wrote: »

Now before you diss my idea, lets remember the background of the second world war...

Huge global depression a-la 1929 stock market crash
Greedy employers ignoring Unions who had little to no power
High unemployment
A general feeling of depression throughout the world

Resources throughout the world are running out. People are becoming more and more desperate as they struggle to keep above water. Those without jobs (the unemplyed, students, the old, infirmed etc) are also being raped by the governments. The employers themselves are using the recession as an excuse to bypass basic human rights to their employees with an attitude of "well everyone else is doing this so..."

I can see within the next 5 years, alot of anarachy across the world. The current system is not working - lets be honest. I for one am extremely disillusioned with what has gone on. Who here can say they are not extremely pissed off at the way the guys at the top have run things

Are you by any chance fifteen and just realised politics exist?

Jumpy

SILENCE CONSUMER OF MANY DOMINOS.

He said Anarachy, not Anarchy. It means a lot of people who spot trains.

galwayrush

Intelligent and caring running candidates would be a good start, to get people to vote for them might be a bigger problem, but it's the only way we'll escape from the cronyism that has destroyed the country.

Ace2007

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Same direction, just one step further: I voted for independants in the last two elections. My question is: how are you going to convince the idiots that DID vote FF, openly admit it and would vote for them AGAIN to join in?

i openly voted for FF - am i an idiot?

its not the governments fault that we are in a mess - its individuals that are to blame - from the top to the bottom, George Lee's programme the other nite showed exactly that - we spent spent and spent - there was a sales man who bought a brand new car 4 years in a row - why do you need a new car - why do people need the plasma tv's in every room, buy what you can afford to - you know christmas came everyday for people living in ireland in the last say 10 years - money meant nothing to people - money came in and went out just as fast.

Don't blame others for your own failings - Ireland didn't grow as a nation with this attitude - we grew because we believe that we could become the best - highly educated workforce were graduating from college year in year out - big US companies invested billions into our economy because we were one of the best around, we were honest hard working people - and then someone where along the way - we lost this honest hard working property that made us. The Unions became stronger and stronger - they wanted more and more - the government was basically help to randsom at the national pay talks - the doctors refuse to take pay cuts, etc.

Life's not fair - the good times are gone - they'll be back - could take 5 years - but probably will be longer cause of this rubbish of people striking and sayin its the governments fault.

stovelid

S.I.R wrote: »

stovelid... get me a youtube link, ima bust a nut.

Can't find vid. Pic.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Ace2007 wrote: »

i openly voted for FF - am i an idiot?

If you'd do it again, then yes.

its not the governments fault that we are in a mess - its individuals that are to blame - from the top to the bottom, George Lee's programme the other nite showed exactly that - we spent spent and spent - there was a sales man who bought a brand new car 4 years in a row - why do you need a new car - why do people need the plasma tv's in every room, buy what you can afford to - you know christmas came everyday for people living in ireland in the last say 10 years - money meant nothing to people - money came in and went out just as fast.

NOT the govenment's fault...? So who was responsible for redistibuting the wealth during the boom years and making sure that you public services were brought up to scratch and well-funded for years to come...?

Don't blame others for your own failings -

MY failings...?

Ireland didn't grow as a nation with this attitude - we grew because we believe that we could become the best - highly educated workforce were graduating from college year in year out - big US companies invested billions into our economy because we were one of the best around, we were honest hard working people - and then someone where along the way - we lost this honest hard working property that made us. The Unions became stronger and stronger - they wanted more and more - the government was basically help to randsom at the national pay talks - the doctors refuse to take pay cuts, etc.

Is the private sector more entitled to bigger share that the public sector...? In a time of economic proserity, with millions invested into the economy, why should some poeople by massivey rewarded and some penalised?

Life's not fair - the good times are gone - they'll be back - could take 5 years - but probably will be longer cause of this rubbish of people striking and sayin its the governments fault.

'Life's not fai' is another way of saying 'you suffered, I didn't, tough ****.'
If they do come back, the money will more than likely be pissed away again due to poor planning and handling of said monies.

Ace2007

lol really doesn't surprise me that we are in this mess with amount of rubbish people reply with.

Lets get some FACTS straight.

1.The government is elected by the people - The Civil servants RUN the country - we pay huge sums on money to consultants, actuaires advisors etc to run the country - they do the work - they messed up - elect the members of boards to be in government - its going to be the same Civil servants that are in the background doing the work.

2. The private sectors are the ones that suffer most in recessions - so why shouldn't they reap the rewards in the good times - waterford crystal and dell both got in trouble - the government should not be brought into deal with this - they are private sector - but yea 1000's of people were protesting to the government. Private should be kept Private and public be kept public.


FWIW i'll vote tomorrow for FF if there was a general election - no other party will give you solutions - everytime FG are on Questions & Answers - they always end up attacking the FF minister instead of simply giving their solutions - if they really really cared about the country they would co-operate with FF to get us out of the mess.

maninasia

The FF government created the conditions for an unsustainable property boom by giving investors tax credits and also lax planning conditions (i.e. building across half the nation). They ignored the warning signs and were totally clueless even though common sense dictated it was an accident waiting to happen. No matter if regular people were also greedy, the government is supposed to KNOW what it is doing and have GOOD LEADERSHIP.

Then they expanded the civil service tremendously on the back of this temporary income from stamp duty and income taxes and economic splurge and kept increasing the pay of said public officers. Meanwhile they paid themselves better than the US President and Congress!


They were elected to govern and manage the country. They completely failed and the time is right for a new election, what type of bizarre idea is a 'national unity government'....I've seen this idea floated in the Independent a lot, seems somebody is worried that his shares will fall further if there is a period of 'discontent'. If one lot can't do the job and become corrupt, vote in the other lot with different ideas, policy and experience...good government means people face their actions and failures. You fail, you are out.