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Local Elections Poll (Borough Council Candidates)

  • 20-03-2009 8:18pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭


    Who will you be voting for in the upcoming Borough Council Elections?

    Who will be your No.1 vote in the Borough Council Election 58 votes

    Martin Brett - FG
    0% 0 votes
    Paul Cuddihy - FG
    5% 3 votes
    David Fitzgerald - FG
    1% 1 vote
    Betty Manning - FG
    1% 1 vote
    Darren Murphy - FG
    0% 0 votes
    John Coonan - FF
    12% 7 votes
    Joe Malone - FF
    0% 0 votes
    Andrew McGuinness - FF
    0% 0 votes
    Anna Michalska - FF
    17% 10 votes
    Joe Reidy - FF
    3% 2 votes
    Sean Butler - Lab
    0% 0 votes
    Marie Fitzpatrick - Lab
    3% 2 votes
    Noel Frawley - Lab
    5% 3 votes
    Sean O'hArgain - Lab
    1% 1 vote
    Malcolm Noonan - Green
    6% 4 votes
    Kathleen Funchion - SF
    10% 6 votes
    Mick Green - Ind
    20% 12 votes
    Frank Kavanagh - Ind
    5% 3 votes
    Jimmy Leahy - Ind
    1% 1 vote
    Eugene McGuinness - Ind
    3% 2 votes


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭brettmirl


    Is that the final list or is there still time for more to get on the ballot paper?
    Have all the main parties finalised their selections at this stage?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭ChristIsMurph


    mick_irl wrote: »
    Is that the final list or is there still time for more to get on the ballot paper?
    Have all the main parties finalised their selections at this stage?

    It's fairly final. It's late for anyone to be coming in at this point but never say never you know?

    But all the main parties have finalised their selections anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭jiggajt


    It looks like maybe sinn fein should have ran a second candidate! :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,484 ✭✭✭✭Stephen


    Polls on boards are never representative of what way the wider population will vote. If they were, the current shower wouldn't be in government :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭brettmirl


    I wonder was that Nightwish that voted for Andrew McGuinness???? :pac::pac::pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭jiggajt


    Thought this was worth resurrecting given the local election debate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭brettmirl


    I've totted up the results on the three polls running in the Kilkenny section on Boards, to give a 'poll of polls' (I've nothing better to do over lunch!).

    Results are:

    FF -12.9%
    FG -31.9%
    LAB -19.8%
    GRN -4.8%
    SF -20.9%
    IND -4.4%

    The undecided or will not vote figure is 5.3%


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭jiggajt


    Compared to the 2007 election results:


    FF from-46.6% to-12.9% change -33.7
    FG from-30.9% to-31.9% change +1%
    LAB from-12.1% to-19.8% change +7.7%
    GRN from-3.6% to-4.8% change +1.2%
    SF from-2.4% to-20.9% change +18.5%
    IND from 3% to-4.4% change -1.4%

    I know its not really a valid comparison to make but interesting nonetheless. I dont think FF have actually lost that much nor have SF gained that much and greens are also down nationally.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 sooshie


    how come andrew mcguinness name is in a special font?


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    sooshie wrote: »
    how come andrew mcguinness name is in a special font?

    Because you voted for him in the poll. Does voting for yourself make you feel cool? :P


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 sooshie


    oh ok i get it....and im not andrew mcguinness....im a supporter of him and FF always have been....yes i did only join boards today to read about the disabled parking incident but the reason i heard about it was actually from the oppositions facebook page!!! so i said id have a look and then felt the need to comment....sorry im talkin about this on this thread but the thread was closed before i got the chance to reply!


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    sooshie wrote: »
    oh ok i get it....and im not andrew mcguinness....im a supporter of him and FF always have been....yes i did only join boards today to read about the disabled parking incident but the reason i heard about it was actually from the oppositions facebook page!!! so i said id have a look and then felt the need to comment....sorry im talkin about this on this thread but the thread was closed before i got the chance to reply!

    Ah so your not in the same building or using the same computer then?

    One of the core FF supporters - sticking through thick and thin! Amusing that you all register miniutes apart and head for the same topic. :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 sooshie


    No im actually not in same building or same computer....i completly understand that you may think that maybe the other 2 users are in it together... but ya know you can think what you like.... im not here to argue or to clarify who i am...i just wanted to add my opinion and have a gander around the site....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭Sliderman


    I hope a real change comes into Kilkenny :o...but it wont :D............ im sick of the same old ****e:P.

    I really think people are desparate when they vote AMcGuinness:Ddo something real for the people then you will deserve your vote ... do the decent thing.....retire quick and do the honourable thing(probably top the pole now):rolleyes:

    Respect for the dad but does he not understand business loyalty at his age??????Piss the boss off and you get a kick to touch,,,,keep the boss happy and he will be happy to work with your ideas generally ..loyalty my man. I wonder how many people challenged him and lasted in his company????


    NO REPLY NECESSARY :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 sooshie


    Sliderman wrote: »
    I hope a real change comes into Kilkenny :o...but it wont :D............ im sick of the same old ****e:P.

    I really think people are desparate when they vote AMcGuinness:Ddo something real for the people then you will deserve your vote ... do the decent thing.....retire quick and do the honourable thing(probably top the pole now):rolleyes:

    Respect for the dad but does he not understand business loyalty at his age??????Piss the boss off and you get a kick to touch,,,,keep the boss happy and he will be happy to work with your ideas generally ..loyalty my man. I wonder how many people challenged him and lasted in his company????



    NO REPLY NECESSARY :)
    so you believe that not standing for what you believe in is the way forward?
    I truely believe andrew and john have made a difference to this county...yes they are FF..... and i know they are not flavour of the month, but on a local level andrew should be re elected. he works hard and i know first hand that he has helped out so many ppol in this county.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Just an FYI for those interested;
    NS/mrbi polled 2,000 people on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday for their first poll since February, and asked them how they would vote if there was a general election.

    Fianna Fáil is down one point to 21%, in the first Irish Times poll since the Emergency Budget.

    Fine Gael, meanwhile, see a dramatic improvement and are up six points to 38%.

    Labour are down four to 20%, the Greens are down one to 3% and Sinn Fein are unchanged at 9%.

    The independents and others are also unchanged at 9%.

    Satisfaction with the Government fell four points, to just 10%.

    86% now say they are dissatisfied with the Government's performance and just 4% have no opinion.

    Regarding satisfaction with the way party leaders are doing their jobs, Brian Cowen scores just 18%, a fall of six since February.

    Enda Kenny is up three at 33%, while Eamon Gilmore has the highest satisfaction rating at 51%, up 7.

    John Gormley at 25% is down four and Gerry Adams at 34% is up two.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 sooshie


    whatever ppl say about FF and its current leaders......FG isnt any better!!


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    sooshie wrote: »
    whatever ppl say about FF and its current leaders......FG isnt any better!!

    You would say that. Your a core FF supporter.

    FG actually *do* offer better policys and plans for the country then FF. Hence, you see Cowen & the party dropping in support and FG and Kenny rising in support.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,655 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    sooshie wrote: »
    whatever ppl say about FF and its current leaders......FG isnt any better!!

    That's your opinion, not fact. It's a sure cry from the FF diehards- "ah sure FG wouldn't be any better........." zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭jiggajt


    sooshie wrote: »
    whatever ppl say about FF and its current leaders......FG isnt any better!!

    Opposition bashing isnt politically constructive in any way. It just misleads people into thinking "well he's an eejit but the other fella's an even bigger eejit." If people actually took the time to read up on the oppositions policices they would realise there are huge differences.

    For example Fine Gaels opposition to benchmarking cost them alot of votes in the last election and it looks like they were right as greedy public are about to hold this country to ransom at the worst possible time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭fabbydabby


    Benchmarking. Yeah. Thanks Bertie.
    sooshie wrote: »
    whatever ppl say about FF and its current leaders......FG isnt any better!!
    Interesting. As a relative newcomer to the Irish political scene (I have only developed an interest since the last general election) I have asked of many people what the difference bewteen FG and FF is.

    I understand the Republican Vs Democrat in the US differences, the Tory Vs Labour in the UK... seemed strange that I didn't know what the differences between our own two opposition parties were.

    So fairly recently I asked this question of several people who I percieved as being 'into politics' but could not glean a satisfactory answer. The closest I got was being told of the historical difference between the two, which I knew about already and which is so irrelevant today that it is almost laughable.

    I pointed out to a friend of mine who is a member of FF that I, as a 'floating voter' with no political alligence, could see no apparent differences between the two parties. I told him that as I saw it, the principle for opposition was irrelevant and anachronistic and I asked him if it would not be better to have parties fundamentally opposed on matters of economic modus operandi instead of an 80 year old treaty.

    He told me (in a sarcastic manner) that this was a fantastic idea and that i should write it down.

    I asked him why should someone join FG above FF? They are both fairly centre, perhaps right leaning a tad? I asked him why he chose FF over FG to join. He said it was because his dad was in FF.

    Is this a valid reason to support a party? To me, no.

    I also believe that the support for one party only increases as a result of decreasing support for the other, and not on its own merit. People didn't suddenly wake up recently after all these years and realise that FG are actually fantastic after all. They only support them to oust the status quo, which to my mind is another flawed reason to vote for a party.

    Excuse my ignorance here... maybe someone with a party affiliation could enlighten me?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭jiggajt


    I have no real allegiances either. Im kind of at the stage where i am forming my political opinions. Aside from the historical differences which i wouldnt just dismiss as being completely irrelevant the difference between FF and FG as far as im concerned are that FG are more right wing.

    If FG got into power on their own which i cant see happening then i think they would get tight on immigration, privitise much of the healthcare system and lower taxes.

    This makes the FG Labour coalition kind of a strange one because essentially labour would want to do the oppsoite! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭fabbydabby


    Maybe jiggajt, but look at the FF / Green alliance? Who'd have seen that coming!

    I think that people tend to vote for personality moreso in this country. Like there were a couple of candiates that appealed to me locally but I voted against them because I can't stand their party leaders. Enda Kenny is a plankish insufferable arsebiscuit and I detest him, and the same goes for Rabbitte (in the last general election).

    I wish I had strong political beliefs, it would make choosing who to vote for so much easier.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭catbear


    here's an interesting exercise....
    http://www.euprofiler.eu/
    it shows you where you are in relation to the stated agendas of all the political parties. i did it twice a few days apart and it's scary how close FF and FG are together.
    it plots positions by using a left/right axis and a pro/anti EU axis, it's flawed i'm sure but interesting to see the distances between the parties or the lack of distance between the two main Irish parties.
    also interesting to view is how your political views fits in with other political parties in other European countries.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭catbear


    sooshie wrote: »
    whatever ppl say about FF and its current leaders......FG isnt any better!!
    then you'll have no moral dilemma switching your allegiance to FG should your current champion become a loser.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭jiggajt


    fabbydabby wrote: »
    Maybe jiggajt, but look at the FF / Green alliance? Who'd have seen that coming!

    True. I guess it goes to show you that politicains will get into bed with anyone in order to maintain their overinflated salaries and expenses. Nobody has the best interest of Ireland at heart.

    I wouldnt share your complete aversion towards the opposition leaders although i do find your description of Enda Kenny hilarious!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭jiggajt


    catbear wrote: »
    here's an interesting exercise....
    http://www.euprofiler.eu/
    it shows you where you are in relation to the stated agendas of all the political parties. i did it twice a few days apart and it's scary how close FF and FG are together.
    it plots positions by using a left/right axis and a pro/anti EU axis, it's flawed i'm sure but interesting to see the distances between the parties or the lack of distance between the two main Irish parties.
    also interesting to view is how your political views fits in with other political parties in other European countries.


    Ha Ha. It looks like im stuck in political no mans land! Nearest party to me is Libertas. I never realised i was an anti Eu right wing nutjob! :D

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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Sully wrote: »
    You would say that. Your a core FF supporter.

    FG actually *do* offer better policys and plans for the country then FF. Hence, you see Cowen & the party dropping in support and FG and Kenny rising in support.

    I'm not a FF supporter and I'd have to agree that FG are not the answer atleast not on their own,

    The bottom line is whatever party is in power and makes the hard decisions is going to be unpopular....if FG won an election and made decisions that are unpopular with the average joe (and they will have to be) then they'd be no different to FF.

    The fact that FF are now doing better in the polls means nothing at present.

    The country is in debt and neither SF, FF, or FG can create money from nothing, there needs to be cuts in jobs, expenses and budgets how else do you reduce spending and debt?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    jiggajt wrote: »
    Nearest party to me is Libertas. I never realised i was an anti Eu right wing nutjob! :D

    Its nice to know at least some people are aware what Libertas stands for :)
    How anyone could even consider for voting for them I'll never know


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭fabbydabby


    Excellent link catbear. Really quite helpful.What is really interesting is where you compare your own answers to those of the party in question: Here's me Vs Libertas:

    The legalisation of same sex marriages is a good thing

    Your answerNeutral
    Opinion Libertas:
    Completely disagree


    Religious values and principles should be shown greater respect in politics
    Your answerCompletely disagree
    Opinion Libertas:
    Completely agree


    The decriminalisation of the personal use of soft drugs is to be welcomed
    Your answerTend to disagree
    Opinion Libertas:No opinion


    Euthanasia should be legalised
    Your answerTend to agree
    Opinion Libertas:Completely disagree



    I would have thought that with a name like Libertas the party would be more liberetarian, even if they are quite right-wing socially, but that has really opened my eyes!



    It is also interesting to see the stuff that Libertas has no opinion on, for example:

    Government spending should be reduced in order to lower taxes

    Your answerCompletely agree
    Opinion Libertas:No opinion

    I suppose now one can only question the accuracy of this quiz.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭catbear


    Cabaal wrote: »
    The country is in debt and neither SF, FF, or FG can create money from nothing, there needs to be cuts in jobs, expenses and budgets how else do you reduce spending and debt?
    that's it in a nutshell. it's depressing when i hear politicians stating that lack of credit is the cause of our current woes, truth is we maxed on private debt and now the government is on the way to maxing out the public credit card.
    however i believe the people who lead us here are not the ones to lead us out. i only heard this secondhand but someone was telling that Cowan said he "listened to the wrong advice" (or something like that).

    ultimately leadership must have some personal vision and not be totally reliant on the advice of what all know were vested interest, the banks and developers. even the ERSI was unreliable as for some of its reports like rent rates were compiled exclusively from information supplied by estate agents. these players were not working in the public interest, they are companies driven by profit; i've heard it said that the psychological profile of a bank is that of a psychopath. their reckless lending unchecked by a compromised government has done damage that will take years to rectify, if ever in some parts of the country.

    Cowan wants to pass the buck onto the banks when the truth is it was all happening in plain sight, people on short term contracts been approved for mortgages 20 plus their annual salary.
    continuous reckless lending was favored instead of consolidating gains made during the boom period leading up to 2001/2.

    Einstein definition of insanity is "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". people kept voting for ice cream and now they have the trots and have no one to blame but themselves. FF have nothing left to offer except "ah cheer up, all we need is more ice cream". as nice as Ice cream is, i don't think the nation will be voting for more any time soon. i'm afraid a dose of andrews is about as good as it gets for the foreseeable future.

    for the record i have voted FF in the past but regardless of the personal qualities of individual candidates i can not and will not be voting for FF in the local and the impending general election. As flawed as the oppositions proposals are, at least in their effort of recovery they will not be carrying the retinue of vested interests FF acquired during the property bubble. FF for their own sake need to spend time in the wilderness.

    the whole point of democracy is the ability of people who generate the national wealth through their labour, can peacefully change those they allow to spend the fruits of their labour.

    i've seen one recession, back then people could go to Britain or elsewhere. that's not happening this time and so the people who FF failed will be around to remind everyone least we forget, like the last time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 sooshie


    mfitzy wrote: »
    That's your opinion, not fact. It's a sure cry from the FF diehards- "ah sure FG wouldn't be any better........." zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz at this stage.
    didnt suggest it was fact but yes it is indeed my opinion and im entitled to have my say....it seems on these threads ppl arent entitled to their opinion unless they are agreeing with everyone elses.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Cabaal wrote: »
    I'm not a FF supporter and I'd have to agree that FG are not the answer atleast not on their own,

    Hows that? Fine Gael are the only party willing to actually make changes, make tough (but fair) decisions and come out and honestly point all this out. No other party, not even Labour, is prepared to do that. FG are now really offering good change. It would be a disaster if they got in with Labour who wont make the tough decisions FG will. Plus they don't agree on a lot of changing policies.

    Bare in mind that, the only two party's with any chance of making change is Labour and Fine Gael. Sinn Fein can not offer us anything, and there is no point trying them out.
    The bottom line is whatever party is in power and makes the hard decisions is going to be unpopular....if FG won an election and made decisions that are unpopular with the average joe (and they will have to be) then they'd be no different to FF.

    I think you are FF, and wont admit it. Notice a few little things that makes me think that :) That's the same party line being trotted out time and time again, even today. The public sent a VERY clear historic signal to the government that enough is enough. They turned their backs and gave the thumbs up to Fine Gael and Labour (somewhat).

    The fact that Labour speak to please everyone and jump on every bandwagon possible to get votes, should mean they are streets ahead. After all, as you and FF have been saying its all down to hard decisions. Labour seem to agree not to make these. Fine Gael have outlined what they would do and have publicly stated that hard decisions will be made. Who did the people choose? Clearly Fine Gael and not Labour.
    The fact that FF are now doing better in the polls means nothing at present.

    The country is in debt and neither SF, FF, or FG can create money from nothing, there needs to be cuts in jobs, expenses and budgets how else do you reduce spending and debt?

    Do you not listen to what they all offer? Do you not observe and analyse what they say? FG have said tough decisions will have to be made if they get in but they will be done differently and in a more fair way.

    College Fees is a good example of a tax the government want to bring in. Do we charge them high fees or get it back when they work? As in, do we put a big heavy door blocking them getting an education or do we allow them get a good education and pay back what they owe when they get a decent job. FF want to put the heavy door, risking blocking a load of people getting into college while FG want to offer an after-tax paid back by work. I know which is a fairer tax to me, while still making a tough decision.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    sooshie wrote: »
    didnt suggest it was fact but yes it is indeed my opinion and im entitled to have my say....it seems on these threads ppl arent entitled to their opinion unless they are agreeing with everyone elses.

    I think you will find that if you say your a FF supporter, you wont get much respect from the general public. Its clear at the doors (dont trot the party line that "No abuse or anger at the doors") when canvassing and its clear in opinion polls (once again, no thanks to the party line "it shows we are making tough decessions for the good of the people").


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 sooshie


    Sully wrote: »
    I think you will find that if you say your a FF supporter, you wont get much respect from the general public. Its clear at the doors (dont trot the party line that "No abuse or anger at the doors") when canvassing and its clear in opinion polls (once again, no thanks to the party line "it shows we are making tough decessions for the good of the people").
    there is still alot of ppl supporting FF.... i agree that there are ppl in power there that are in the wrong position but i still believe in FF just with a bit of a re-shuffle....i dont think any of the parties can magically get this country out of the hole its in and no matter who was in power,they would be gettin all the ****. i thinkn with some new approaches FF can do as good if not better the oppisition!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭catbear


    sooshie wrote: »
    it is indeed my opinion and im entitled to have my say....it seems on these threads ppl arent entitled to their opinion unless they are agreeing with everyone elses.
    who's stopping you. Aung San Suu Kyi can't express herself because she's under house arrest by the Burmese military dictatorship.
    so who repressing you? how have people on this thread repressed your right to free speech?

    can you accept that other people have a different outlook to yours?
    if you can't, then it is you who limits your own views.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    sooshie wrote: »
    there is still alot of ppl supporting FF.... i agree that there are ppl in power there that are in the wrong position but i still believe in FF just with a bit of a re-shuffle....i dont think any of the parties can magically get this country out of the hole its in and no matter who was in power,they would be gettin all the ****. i thinkn with some new approaches FF can do as good if not better the oppisition!

    Every party has their core support which will either strengthen or weaken. FFs overall support has significantly dropped and a lot of their core support has turned their backs on them.

    I don't think any party is offering a magic solution either. Clearly Cowen cant lead this government if he is picking a team who are doing a botched job and is doing a poor job at making fair but hard decisions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 sooshie


    catbear wrote: »
    who's stopping you. Aung San Suu Kyi can't express herself because she's under house arrest by the Burmese military dictatorship.
    so who repressing you? how have people on this thread repressed your right to free speech?

    can you accept that other people have a different outlook to yours?
    if you can't, then it is you who limits your own views.

    i can absolutly accept other ppls views, i wasnt targetin this thread only when i said that...on another thread ppl suggested i was a mcguinness, i joined this to stir, trolling, they then closed the thread so i coulnt defend myself.... all i want is to give my opinion on FF and have someone speakin for them.instead im a liar a spy etc etc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 sooshie


    Sully wrote: »
    Every party has their core support which will either strengthen or weaken. FFs overall support has significantly dropped and a lot of their core support has turned their backs on them.

    I don't think any party is offering a magic solution either. Clearly Cowen cant lead this government if he is picking a team who are doing a botched job and is doing a poor job at making fair but hard decisions.

    yes and i agree cowen and coughlin are not right in the job they are doin.... who is? im still not sure.....but would kenny or gilmore do any better? i really dont think so, whatever about gilmore...i think kenny would lead us back to famine times:D


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    sooshie wrote: »
    yes and i agree cowen and coughlin are not right in the job they are doin.... who is? im still not sure.....but would kenny or gilmore do any better? i really dont think so, whatever about gilmore...i think kenny would lead us back to famine times:D

    Its not about Kenny or Gilmore. Its whats behind the leaders is what counts. The leader only matters to keep a strong team and ensure decent policys. Cowen has been a poor leader and has brought a very weak team to the table. Im not sure there is much left in the FF ranks to bring real change.

    Its time for a change, FG seem to over very good change and Labour cant be trusted.


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    sooshie wrote: »
    i can absolutly accept other ppls views, i wasnt targetin this thread only when i said that...on another thread ppl suggested i was a mcguinness, i joined this to stir, trolling, they then closed the thread so i coulnt defend myself.... all i want is to give my opinion on FF and have someone speakin for them.instead im a liar a spy etc etc

    Well McGuiness did sign up at least one account to post, it seems. His main account and the sock account were site banned as a result.

    Its very unlikely that a group of people all join at once and start posting to defend McGuiness. There is some very strong connection.

    The thread ran its course and it was annoying that the above was happening.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 sooshie


    Sully wrote: »
    Well McGuiness did sign up at least one account to post, it seems. His main account and the sock account were site banned as a result.

    Its very unlikely that a group of people all join at once and start posting to defend McGuiness. There is some very strong connection.

    The thread ran its course and it was annoying that the above was happening.
    yea and i said that i understood why it seemed suspicious but i wasnt asked by any mcguinness to come on this site....yes i did join it to read up about the parkin thread, but that was because i heard it was on mr murphys facebook page and had to check it out.....i am a support of the mcguinness's and FF but felt i wasnt welcome because of that.never was on this site before....i think its great and am slightly addicted now:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,655 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    catbear wrote: »
    who's stopping you. Aung San Suu Kyi can't express herself because she's under house arrest by the Burmese military dictatorship.
    so who repressing you? how have people on this thread repressed your right to free speech?

    can you accept that other people have a different outlook to yours?
    if you can't, then it is you who limits your own views.

    Exactly my point.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭catbear


    sooshie wrote: »
    joined this to stir, trolling, they then closed the thread so i coulnt defend myself.... all i want is to give my opinion on FF and have someone speakin for them.instead im a liar a spy etc etc
    A. start your own thread, for example; a FF appreciation thread. who's stopping you?
    B. if someone disagrees with your view it does not make your view invalid or untrue. to be believe otherwise is self deception.
    C. Spying? anyone who bothers accessing the internet can read this. there are no barriers to viewing this material. again to believe otherwise is an act of self deception.

    you can read and write, logic and reason are attainable.

    ps, welcome to Kilkenny boards. all opinions are equally valuable and disposable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 sooshie


    catbear wrote: »
    A. start your own thread, for example; a FF appreciation thread. who's stopping you?
    B. if someone disagrees with your view it does not make your view invalid or untrue. to be believe otherwise is self deception.
    C. Spying? anyone who bothers accessing the internet can read this. there are no barriers to viewing this material. again to believe otherwise is an act of self deception.

    you can read and write, logic and reason are attainable.

    ps, welcome to Kilkenny boards. all opinions are equally valuable and disposable.

    thanks for the welcome but im goin to retire from these threads.... its tiring work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Dr.Sanchez


    sooshie wrote: »
    thanks for the welcome but im goin to retire from these threads.... its tiring work.

    Cya Andrew!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 391 ✭✭frankie2shoes


    Ok.
    last tuesday I sent an email to all the candidates that I was interested in voting for with a simple question about recycling.
    I did not e-mail a FF, SF or Greens as I have no interest in voting for their party.
    Only Two out seven bothered to reply.
    Not sure if I should name and shame on boards but are those who don't reply to e-mails really the kind of people we need representing us in an age where where a lot of work is carried out using e-mail?
    Perhaps I'll send a mail to all candidates to see how bad our potential candidates are at the basics of carrying out business in our modern society!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 sooshie


    00Blaine00 wrote: »
    Cya Andrew!!


    for the LAST AND FINAL TIME i am NOT andrew mcguinness....if you see from my own threads im involved in theatre and kilkenny musical society.....sound like andrew to you???? i dont think so!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭ChristIsMurph


    Ok.
    last tuesday I sent an email to all the candidates that I was interested in voting for with a simple question about recycling.
    I did not e-mail a FF, SF or Greens as I have no interest in voting for their party.
    Only Two out seven bothered to reply.
    Not sure if I should name and shame on boards but are those who don't reply to e-mails really the kind of people we need representing us in an age where where a lot of work is carried out using e-mail?
    Perhaps I'll send a mail to all candidates to see how bad our potential candidates are at the basics of carrying out business in our modern society!!!

    I will stand up and say I was actually one of the ones to reply to you! And I believe I did it within 20 minutes of you sending it as well! Albeit it was 8:30am and I was up studying for an exam!
    I always work through emails, it's a lot easier. The rest of the candidates in every party do need to adjust to this method. The advantages are amazing, you save on postage, paper and storage becomes a million times easier plus searching for a letter.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Ok.
    last tuesday I sent an email to all the candidates that I was interested in voting for with a simple question about recycling.
    I did not e-mail a FF, SF or Greens as I have no interest in voting for their party.
    Only Two out seven bothered to reply.
    Not sure if I should name and shame on boards but are those who don't reply to e-mails really the kind of people we need representing us in an age where where a lot of work is carried out using e-mail?
    Perhaps I'll send a mail to all candidates to see how bad our potential candidates are at the basics of carrying out business in our modern society!!!

    For business reasons, I did the the same a little longer. Expect an unusual delay this time around. There all out canvassing and its very close to the elections so its very hectic. I got one reply out of several, late, but I got an apology. I understand folk are up to their eyes at the moment. So, bare that in mind? :)


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