[US/IRL] 5X09 - "Namaste" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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Episode Title: "Namaste"
Airdate: March 19th 2009

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

After meeting old acquaintances Sawyer is forced to continue lying to protect them.

Next New Episode: 5X10 - March 26th 2009

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ABC (US) - March 18th 2009
RTÉ (IRL) - March 22nd 2009

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Handsome Bob

6

As with every other episode this season, it was solid. But I'm still waiting for an episode to blow me out of the water. Josh Hollaway was great in this episode and I thought Sawyer's interaction with Jack at the end was one of the highlights of the episode.

Selik

8

Great episode, although it's fast becoming very easy to anticipate and spot the 70s kids being introduced as some of the present day characters. So much so that's it's not even remotely a shock anymore - like the end of this episode!

Macker1

6

Decent episode. No major surprises really. Yes Sawyer really is a great character.

Handsome Bob

6

I just remembered something. When Sawyer was driving Jack, Hurley, and Kate back to the barracks, Sawyer mentioned to them about Faraday's theories on what can and can't be done. Jack then said something along the lines of "Faraday's here?" What did Sawyer say in response? Was it "not anymore" or something?

Faith

8

I liked that a lot. Not much of note happened but it was a good character-driven episode. Nice to know where everyone ended up. I love every episode with Christian in it though!

I had to laugh when they assigned Jack to be a workman. Did Sawyer fill out his apptitude test as a little dig at Jack I wonder?

Washout

7

sawt
yer has truly come into his own, commanding the whole con.

solid 8

qz

6

Pure filler imo, a good episode but nothing to write home about.
Apart from Juliet wut a babez she is in this ep

Edit: Sawyer questioning Sayid as the 'hostile' was a nice ironic throwback to the days of Season 1 where Sayid had Sawyer tied up in the jungle and shoved bamboo into his fingers

jimbling

Another quality episode.
Sawyer putting Jack in his place is epic stuff

Can someone remind me about this radzinsky character.... has he been in it already? I've definitely heard the name mentioned before.... I think

Handsome Bob

6

jimbling wrote: »

Another quality episode.
Sawyer putting Jack in his place is epic stuff

Can someone remind me about this radzinsky character.... has he been in it already? I've definitely heard the name mentioned before.... I think

I think he was the guy who entered the numbers before Desmond and that guy, Kelvin was it? He was never in the show before, just mentioned.

eddiehead

jimbling wrote: »

Another quality episode.
Sawyer putting Jack in his place is epic stuff

Can someone remind me about this radzinsky character.... has he been in it already? I've definitely heard the name mentioned before.... I think

We've heard of him but never seen him until now, this guy used to go on about him a bit

Sad Professor

6

A really good and solid episode. I can't find any fault with it. The season is really starting to take shape.

Re: Radzinsky: he was also seen working on a model of The Swan station in this episode. So I guess he was involved in designing and building it.

A few more thoughts:

* Sun, Frank and Ben are in 2007 on the island. The Barracks and the beach camp look like they've been abandoned for years.

* Frank has obviously got a date with Smokey just like the original pilot.

* Remember how Sayid tortured Ben in season 2? And now we see young Ben going to visit Sayid who he believes is an Other? lol. Very nice symmetry.

Faith

8

Okay I have a bit of a theory. I'm not going to spoiler it because it's pure speculation on my part, so if you're one of the people who doesn't like speculation, stop reading now.

They're in 1977 now, with Sayid being held as a Hostile. On the Orientation video for the Swan station, at the very end it said "Copyright 1980". So I'm thinking that the Losties have a big role to play in the "incident" mentioned on the tape. I'm sure it must have something to do with Sayid supposedly being a Hostile.

jimbling

LZ5by5 wrote: »

I think he was the guy who entered the numbers before Desmond and that guy, Kelvin was it? He was never in the show before, just mentioned.

yep.. thats it.. cheers

phantom_lord

is that charlotte in the background?

Sad Professor

6

I reckon it was just a stage hand who got caught in the frame. It's happened loads of times.

Agamemnon

7

I liked this one, gave it an 8. I LOL'd when Sun knocked out Ben while he was in mid-speech.

Faith wrote: »

They're in 1977 now, with Sayid being held as a Hostile. On the Orientation video for the Swan station, at the very end it said "Copyright 1980". So I'm thinking that the Losties have a big role to play in the "incident" mentioned on the tape. I'm sure it must have something to do with Sayid supposedly being a Hostile.

Sounds good, maybe they cause the incident or take advantage of it to return to the present somehow?

Wonder why Sun, Frank and Ben didn't travel back in time? What makes them different to Janitor Jack & co?

Gavin W

7

Good episode, a solid 8 from me too. It confirms a couple of things that had previously been speculated upon - such as the Air Ajira plane landing on the runway that the Others were building back in season 3.

I'd forgotten who exactly Radzinsky was supposed to be too until I read this thread. He blew his brains out in the Swan, didn't he? According to Kelvin.

So the baby was Ethan after all. Hmm, as I said in the thread for the previous episode, that's a bit implausible given the age of the actor in Season 1. Unless Ethan goes a-time-travellin' himself at some point. Or maybe growing up on the island really took it's toll on the poor guy.

anotherlostie

9

This was my favourite episode so far this season; lots of explanation as to how people got where (and Jack as workman has to to be the work of Sawyer, and I thought Juliet had turned bitch and not put Kate on the list), Sun was great whether whacking Ben or interacting with Christian (where will that go, and why was she left behind?), and was that the same Ben as in the previous flashbacks? He looked equally creepy anyway.

Psychedelic

6

Surprised that so many people loved this episode, it was very tame, with nothing major happening. I'd say it was the 'worst' episode this season, although I wouldn't go as far as to say it was bad.

I prefer the big WTF head melting episodes anyway. The ones this season a lot of people didn't like on here, so it's like there are 2 kinds of Lost fan, those who love the mythological crazy episodes and those who like the steady, character-driven episodes.

The saving grace of the episode was Sawyer talking down to Jack and the apperance of Christian. Was that the smoke monster manifesting itself as Christian I wonder? We heard the eerie whispers again just before he appeared too.

Bounty Hunter

6

I enjoyed it but how do episodes like this keep getting a 10. The only big reveal in the ep was the Kid Ben but i dont actually think too many didnt see that coming... Can only assume some people see every ep of lost as a 10.

qz wrote: »

Pure filler imo, a good episode but nothing to write home about.
Apart from Juliet wut a babez she is in this ep

Edit: Sawyer questioning Sayid as the 'hostile' was a nice ironic throwback to the days of Season 1 where Sayid had Sawyer tied up in the jungle and shoved bamboo into his fingers

I agree this was a pure filler ep but decent all the same, It would never be a 10min job integrating Kate, Hugo and Jack into the 70s Dharma let alone Sayid plus explaining the Sun/Frank taking the boats bit.

The more they give Sawyer the better he seems imo, LaFluer is doing wonders for him.

Faith wrote: »

Okay I have a bit of a theory. I'm not going to spoiler it because it's pure speculation on my part, so if you're one of the people who doesn't like speculation, stop reading now.

They're in 1977 now, with Sayid being held as a Hostile. On the Orientation video for the Swan station, at the very end it said "Copyright 1980". So I'm thinking that the Losties have a big role to play in the "incident" mentioned on the tape. I'm sure it must have something to do with Sayid supposedly being a Hostile.

I think that sounds good and really plausible although im not 100% sure why Sayid being a hostile would be what would be the cause of the incident.

Agamemnon wrote: »

Wonder why Sun, Frank and Ben didn't travel back in time? What makes them different to Janitor Jack & co?

Thats the bit that atm given what they have explained thus far that makes no sense to me, Lupidus maybe but Sun should be the same as The others really I cant think of any reason that has been hinted at so far that she should have gone to a different time than Jack, Kate, Sayid & Hugo.

Jay Ru

6

Agamemnon wrote: »

Wonder why Sun, Frank and Ben didn't travel back in time? What makes them different to Janitor Jack & co?

I think Ben didn't go back in time because he already exists in that timeline. no clue why the other 2 didn't go back though!

Agamemnon

7

Locke probably didn't go back in time because he was dead; maybe Ben was immune to it or able to resist it somehow (who knows what mad island skillz he's picked up over the years); maybe Frank and Sun were prevented from time-traveling by Christian's intervention because he has plans for them? Or maybe Christian sent Jack and the rest back?

abelard

Maybe this is a little crazy, but I'm not sure that Sun and Ben are in 2007.

The buildings still bear way too many dharma signs. We saw a fair bit of Otherton during seasons 3 and 4, and I don't remember ever seeing much/any Dharma branding. And the room Christian took them too was very much like the rec room we saw previously in Otherton. But this time it still had pictures of all the former Dharma workers.

Also, regarding that pic of Sun with the person in the background. While the most likely explanation by far is that it's an extra, rewatching the scene, the door mysteriously blows open just before she appears. Maybe that was put in on purpose?

Anyway, decent, if not entirely eventful. Sawyer stole the show this week.

Very interested to hear what happened to Daniel. If Radzinsky is planning the construction of the Swan, then maybe the "incident" is currently being foreseen by Dharma and is very close to happening. Daniel will surely have something to do with that?

JohnK

Not much happened but still a very enjoyable episode and I was shocked when it ended after what seemed like only a few minutes. No big shock to find out about Ethan & Ben back in the 70's but suppose they had to get it out of the way.

Do we know if this is before or after Ben meets Richard in the jungle? If its after then maybe he'll try and help Sayid escape or if before then maybe meeting a "normal" Sayid is one of the reasons he trusts Richard when they do meet in which event the losties could be one of the precursors to the purge.

phantom_lord

abelard wrote: »

Also, regarding that pic of Sun with the person in the background. While the most likely explanation by far is that it's an extra, rewatching the scene, the door mysteriously blows open just before she appears. Maybe that was put in on purpose?

yeah, the movement of the door made me think it was less likely it was a crew member there by mistake.

cooker3

I enjoyed that a lot, much more so then the previous episode. There was nothing huge but just a lot of references to stuff from previous seasons and small questions that got answered which I liked a lot.

Radsinksi building the model of the swan is intriguing. We know it helped deal with the aftermath of the incident. I would generally agree would above speculation that the losties will somehow be involved in the incident but what is the original purpose of the swan I wonder?

Sawyer was the star of the episode. The conversation with Jack was my highlight of the episode. It reminded me of confidence man except this time he really is the sheriff.

I really don't get why Sun is in modern times. It makes no sense to me.
I really hope they don't just leave it at it's what the island wanted.
Still it's good to see Christian as always.

Oh, anyone have theories on what happened to Faraday? That's really interesting.

astrofool

He's probably gone mad, with Sawyer saying he's not with them anymore (mentally).

ixoy

Worth watching if only to see Sawyer slap down Jack - oh I've waited for a scene like that for years! Sawyer's is the main man.

Am I wrong in thinking that Sun wasn't one of those originally meant to leave the island? And that could be why she's stuck in the present?

cooker3

ixoy wrote: »

Worth watching if only to see Sawyer slap down Jack - oh I've waited for a scene like that for years! Sawyer's is the main man.

Yeah it was fantastic. In the last few episodes Jack has been slapped down by Sawyer and Locke despite being dead. About time!

ixoy wrote: »

Am I wrong in thinking that Sun wasn't one of those originally meant to leave the island? And that could be why she's stuck in the present?

I don't see why Sun is the only one. None of them were supposed to leave. That's why they needed to go back.
Of course this leads to the problem that the writers simply haven't explained well enough why the O6 had to come back imo.
Even now when they arrive back Jack said to Kate I don't know what we are supposed to do now. Surely he would have an idea. It was almost Locke like. Did he figure the island would tell him?

Sad Professor

6

abelard wrote: »

Maybe this is a little crazy, but I'm not sure that Sun and Ben are in 2007.

The buildings still bear way too many dharma signs. We saw a fair bit of Otherton during seasons 3 and 4, and I don't remember ever seeing much/any Dharma branding. And the room Christian took them too was very much like the rec room we saw previously in Otherton. But this time it still had pictures of all the former Dharma workers.

No, it's definitely 2007. The runway the Others were building in 2004 was there. Also, earlier in the season Sawyer and co flashed to a time when the beach camp was there but in great disrepair like several years had passed. They found the Ajira water bottles and outriggers in the same time. Also the title card in this episode said 30 years earlier.

Re: the left-over Dharma signs in Otherton, I reckon that was just a little production oversight. We just have to assume it was a different building and the Others didn't remove all trace of Dharma. I mean they were still using their stations and everything.

JohnK wrote: »

Do we know if this is before or after Ben meets Richard in the jungle?.

It's after. By 2 or 3 years at least. The young actor is clearly older. And at a guess, I'd say Ben arrived on the island around 1974 or 75.

cooker3 wrote:

Of course this leads to the problem that the writers simply haven't explained well enough why the O6 had to come back imo.

Yeah, although I remember the writers saying last year that season 5 would be about *why* the O6 had to go back. That struck me as strange then as it seemed like something that should have been established in season 4. But I guess the why is a big part of the overall arc of this season. When you think about it, why they have to go back is the same as why they were there in the first place. So I expect there'll be a big revelation at the end of this season about the Losties and their destiny on the island.

In the meantime I think the O6's own individual reasons for returning will be explored further in flashbacks.

Nothingcompares

3

Very unsatisfying episode. Compared to the previous, which i felt was the best I've seen in a long time this was especially bad.

Ron DMC

Great episode altogether. I'm starting to really like Frank so I hope they don't kill him off.
The Ben bit at the end was fairly poor. I was expecting something more exciting. Why has no one told Sayid what's going on yet, he doesn't even know he's in 1977 yet? That Ben kid could be anyone as far as he's concerned. He might just think that dharma are back on the island.

Looking forward a lot to a solid conversation next week between Locke and Christian Shepherd (after Locke beats the **** out of Ben of course). Only I don't see that Locke heads to Otherton. It looks more like the two remaining outriggers head for the beach, as we saw when Sawyer and co found them during the jumps. Does Locke head to the beach I wonder or does Christian tell Sun about Locke and she uses her boat to bring him elsewhere?

DeadParrot

cooker3 wrote:

Radsinksi building the model of the swan is intriguing. We know it helped deal with the aftermath of the incident. I would generally agree would above speculation that the losties will somehow be involved in the incident but what is the original purpose of the swan I wonder?

I've got a feeling the H bomb will play a part.

kronsington

4

i really didnt think much of this episode. come to think of it, no episode this season have impressed me much at all. i dont like the structure of this season so far, i hope it becomes more coherent and ultimately satisfying as we go on. my gut feeling right now though, is the the writers are going to make a mess of things. too many balls in the air. i hope im wrong.

homerun_homer

7

Agamemnon wrote: »

Wonder why Sun, Frank and Ben didn't travel back in time? What makes them different to Janitor Jack & co?

Maybe the characters can't exist when they are in the past, ie older Ben and younger Ben. If this is the reason then could it be possible that Sun is the daughter of Pierre Chang, and the baby we saw at the beginning of the season. Everyone is assuming it's Myles, but what if it is Sun. Her dad had connections to Dharma, maybe he 'adopted' her.
Not a theory I will put my foot down on and say I believe but I like to think of these different angles.

As for Frank - who knows.

Ronny Mitchell wrote: »

Why has no one told Sayid what's going on yet, he doesn't even know he's in 1977 yet? That Ben kid could be anyone as far as he's concerned. He might just think that dharma are back on the island.

Sayid was in that Dharma station before and fought the one eyed guy there and saw it explode. Given that he is there again and Dharma are all around, he can safely assume (as any sane person would - haha) that he is in the past.

Sad Professor

6

No, Sawyer, Locke and Juliet were already in the same time as younger versions of themselves.

I think it's pointless trying to figure out why some of them went into the past and others didn't. Very little of the time travel this season makes any sense. The writers are just using it as a device to show us some of the history of the island. I expect the final explanation will be something along the lines of the island wanted it that way.

Ron DMC

homerun_homer wrote: »

Sayid was in that Dharma station before and fought the one eyed guy there and saw it explode. Given that he is there again and Dharma are all around, he can safely assume (as any sane person would - haha) that he is in the past.

Good point, I'd forgotten about the flame getting blown up.

homerun_homer

7

Sad Professor wrote: »

No, Sawyer, Locke and Juliet were already in the same time as younger versions of themselves.

I think they probably can exist in the same time as themselves on the island as the erattic time shifts showed they could - however the island may not let them settle in a time permanently if they already exist there. It may have needed to bring them back to that point in time in order to do some work, as they always say.

Stephansplatz

phantom_lord wrote: »

is that charlotte in the background?

according to lostpedia, the person behind Sun is ...

Claire

Niall0

5

DeadParrot wrote: »

I've got a feeling the H bomb will play a part.

I dont think so, the swan is something to do with electro magnetism as stated around the end of season 2 , the button was to release energy or something to stop a reactor blowing or something.
also the lost Game shows:

A big electro magnetic reactor that has been damaged and is connected to the swan

The bomb has probably been buried in concrete or something, i cant see them coming back to the bomb.

Stephansplatz wrote: »

according to lostpedia, the person behind Sun is ...

Claire

i guess that would make sense as they were hanging out together in the cabin before

Jay Ru

6

Sad Professor wrote: »

No, Sawyer, Locke and Juliet were already in the same time as younger versions of themselves.

that was before Locke fixed the donkey wheel kinda fixed time on the island

L31mr0d

8

Ronny Mitchell wrote: »

I'm starting to really like Frank so I hope they don't kill him off.

Yeah I'm also liking the Lawnmower man, hope they keep him around for a while.

Sad Professor wrote: »

Radzinsky: he was also seen working on a model of The Swan station in this episode. So I guess he was involved in designing and building it.

whats the bets that babies and mothers start dying on the island after the swan is built? I've a feeling whatever they change there will upset the balance on the island.

Also in regards to Faraday, wasn't he seen in Because you left at the Orchid with a Dharma construction worker outfit on. I'd say this is the reason he's no longer around, he must of done something there.

Redisle

Good enough episode, but where the hell was Locke?

When they were all on the beach.. with Frank giving that big speech. In a previous episode we saw Locke talking to that woman with the curly hair, SHE was in this episode on the beach with Frank... but absolultely no sign of Locke..

Ron DMC

Redisle wrote: »

Good enough episode, but where the hell was Locke?

When they were all on the beach.. with Frank giving that big speech. In a previous episode we saw Locke talking to that woman with the curly hair, SHE was in this episode on the beach with Frank... but absolultely no sign of Locke..

The scenes in this episode happen before Locke showed up. I'd imagine he's still lying in his coffin somewhere or out in the jungle or something.

purple_hatstand

7

great episode again - Sawyer, excellent; Juliet, hot;'Janitor' Jack, hilarious ("back in your box, doc!")

Sun might have got lost in the space/time continuum - as in, maybe it's just a mistake that she didn't travel back in time. After showing her the 1977 photograph, Christian says, "I'm sorry, but you have a bit of a journey ahead of you." Or maybe she has some further criteria to fulfil first (something to do with Aaron and/or her own child?)

thebigcheese22

7

Its great now that now the season is gonna run uninterrupted til the season finale, no crappy writer strikes getting in the way!

Have to say twas a great episode, loved the way Jack the high-flying Doc is grand with being Janitor! He seems really relieved not to be leading anymore :eek:

AnonoBoy

So the Oceanic 6 had to come back because they will be involved in or possibly cause some event that is key to the island's development?

Sad Professor

6

thebigcheese22 wrote: »

Its great now that now the season is gonna run uninterrupted til the season finale, no crappy writer strikes getting in the way!

ABC are taking another 2 week break after 5x13.

madrab

Maybe sun didnt travel back as she wasnt in the same condition as when she first arrived ie pregnant

tony1kenobi

L31mr0d wrote: »

Yeah I'm also liking the Lawnmower man, hope they keep him around for a while.



whats the bets that babies and mothers start dying on the island after the swan is built? I've a feeling whatever they change there will upset the balance on the island.

Also in regards to Faraday, wasn't he seen in Because you left at the Orchid with a Dharma construction worker outfit on. I'd say this is the reason he's no longer around, he must of done something there.

I think Horace already mentioned that it was normal practice for expectant mothers to go to the mainland to give birth, and so Ethan is something of a first.

I think Daniel has left the island in 1977 to find his ma and teach her about time travel so she can carry out all the things she has up to now and beyond.

It's starting to look like it's one giant loop.