Rendall Munroe After World Title Shot

ShaunD

Here is a link to the article : http://www.setanta.com/uk/Articles/other-sports/2009/03/18/Boxing-Munroe/gnid-44838/

A few questions I have on this,

Why is Munroe fighting for the vacant Commonwealth title and not making a mandatory defense against Maludrottu? Also who would Munroe be likely to fight for this title?

If Dunne wins on Saturday (finger, toes, and everything else crossed!), do you think Munroe will be first in line to challenge him.

Does Rendall Munroe even deserve a chance given the fact that he turned down a fight with Dunne (who would have been one of the only real tests for him at European level, the other being Maludrotta), and also the fact that he turned down the Ricardo Cordoba fight?I know he has a good enough ranking but it does not reflect the actual performances he has put in since winning the EBU title, so rankings aside, does he deserve it?

Maybe I am being a little harsh on Munroe but it seems like he is not truly willing to test himself at European and world level and athough he is a good boxer, his success is a lot to do with being in the right place at the right time.

duagre

I honestly believe that Dunne would beat Munroe very convincingly.

ShaunD

duagre wrote: »

I honestly believe that Dunne would beat Munroe very convincingly.

I have thought that for a while now and it has been confirmed to me after seeing Munroe's last 3 defense of the EBU.It is a pity they never fought for that title.
I can see Dunne beating Munroe in the same fashion as Pickering.

cowzerp

Yep thats how i see it too..

eagle eye

He is way too slow imo. Although he does have the stamina and can come back into fights strongly as his opponents tire. I didn't rate him at all up to his demolition of Kiko in their last fight. That fight showed a better side of him, but the fact that he was not able to finish Marinez who was completely out on his feet was another negative. Then again Kiko has only been beaten by one man.

alanceltic

If you look at the brit forums they genuinely believe munroe to be a hell of a lot better than he actually is although he did up his game a lot for his last fight with kiko but as you said a terrible indictment that he couldnt finish the job when martinez was ABSOLUTELY WASTED, he is very feather fisted

ShaunD

alanceltic wrote: »

If you look at the brit forums they genuinely believe munroe to be a hell of a lot better than he actually is although he did up his game a lot for his last fight with kiko but as you said a terrible indictment that he couldnt finish the job when martinez was ABSOLUTELY WASTED, he is very feather fisted

I have read a few posts on British forums and on one thread someone suggested Munroe should fight Ponce de Leon next and that it would be an "easy" fight, and us Irish get accused of over hyping our boxers!
I have had many a British reader commenting on my blog about how Munroe would "retire" Dunne, needless to say I delete those comments!

Munroe is not a bad fighter but in commentary I always hear about his great skills which I am actually yet to witness in fairness. He does not look polished and seems to rely on his strength and size more than his boxing.

Does anyone know who Munroe will fight for the vacant commonwealth title, not Matthew Marsh surely!

walshb

ShaunD wrote: »

Does Rendall Munroe even deserve a chance given the fact that he turned down a fight with Dunne (who would have been one of the only real tests for him at European level, the other being Maludrotta), and also the fact that he turned down the Ricardo Cordoba fight?I know he has a good enough ranking but it does not reflect the actual performances he has put in since winning the EBU title, so rankings aside, does he deserve it?

If we are applying the same standards to all, then YES, he does deserve a shot.
Bernard is getting one and he doesn't deserve it or hasn't warranted it He doesn't deserve it ahead of those
ranked higher. So, YES, Munroe would deserve a shot going by the current
standards!

walshb

ShaunD wrote: »

I have had many a British reader commenting on my blog about how Munroe would "retire" Dunne, needless to say I delete those comments!



Does anyone know who Munroe will fight for the vacant commonwealth title, not Matthew Marsh surely!

Why do you delete those comments?

Johnduddy

Was Munroes manager not the one saying that he couldnt deal with Brian Peters as he was making unreasonable demands and thats why the fight with Dunne didnt go ahead ?

I agree with Walsh. If Dunne deserved a title shot (having beaten nobody !) then Munroe deserves one (having beaten the only fighter to beat dunne)

To be honest I was shocked they managed to pull off getting him a shot in the first place. Money talks I suppose.

walshb

I am not 100 percent up with all the details; but I don't buy the whole "Munroe refused to fight Dunne."

There was more to it and IMO, it is up to the challenger, if he is really
genuine, to go take the title; and for Dunne and Peter's to be trying
to call the shots, that is down right arrogant.

Munroe is and was the champ; he and his camp call the shots.

Anyone any real info on this?

Johner

As Walsh said Munroe should get to decide. Peters wanted the fight in Dublin and Munroe wanted it in England I believe. Why would Munroe come over and fight in Dublin? Hes the champ he should get to decide thats only fair and the way it should be.

And if Dunne deserves a world title shot then of course Munroe does.

Johnduddy

July 08 article from the independent...Maloney basically saying Dunnes not getting a shot end of.

If Dunne does win on Sat he should tell Munroe and Maloney to shove it up their hole. What goes around comes around and all that....

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing-dunne-sets-sights-on-munroe-in--spite-of-title-snub-1429994.html

Johner

http://www.saddoboxing.com/8151-brian-peters-boxing-maloney-selective-memory.html

This says Maloney wanted the fight in England but Peters wanted it in Dublin. Both rejected each others offers.

Big Ears

ShaunD wrote: »

I have read a few posts on British forums and on one thread someone suggested Munroe should fight Ponce de Leon next and that it would be an "easy" fight, and us Irish get accused of over hyping our boxers!
I have had many a British reader commenting on my blog about how Munroe would "retire" Dunne, needless to say I delete those comments!

Munroe is not a bad fighter but in commentary I always hear about his great skills which I am actually yet to witness in fairness. He does not look polished and seems to rely on his strength and size more than his boxing.

Does anyone know who Munroe will fight for the vacant commonwealth title, not Matthew Marsh surely!

Meant to reply to this 2 nights ago, but it was around the graveyard time of 04:00 so the site wasn't working.


My guess would be Sande Otieno, but it won't be Marsh or Moran(who Marsh defends against soon) anyway. Unless it's Esham Pickering it won't be a fellow British fighter.

Anyetei Laryea would be another possibility, but in truth with so many African fighters available it could be anyone nearly.

Another Commonwealth fighter it certainly won't be is Steve Molitor......Maloney wouldn't want Munroe anywhere near him.

Personally I think this is the right move from Munroe.
His defences of the European title(bar Martinez) will probably be as low a level if not lower level than this fight and the same were he to later fight the winner of Marsh v Moran for the British title.

I'd like to see Munroe win the Commonwealth, fight the winner of Marsh v Moran and should he win then fight Maludrottu. By that stage he'd be British/Commonwealth/European and quite possibly a mandatory for someone(WBA/WBC champ), if not he'd be ranked high enough for a final eliminator. The advantage of being a mandatory is that if the fight goes to purse bids you get a guaranteed %(think it's 40%) of the purse for the fight.

However if Dunne were to win it would make sense for Munroe(and possibly Dunne aswell) to get a World title fight against him in his next defence.

joepenguin

Johner wrote: »

http://www.saddoboxing.com/8151-brian-peters-boxing-maloney-selective-memory.html

This says Maloney wanted the fight in England but Peters wanted it in Dublin. Both rejected each others offers.

Maloney wouldnt come to dublin to fight dunne but he came to fight trotta in dcu. Now why would he fight a lower level opponent for a lot less money in a smaller venue when Dunne-Munroe would do very good numbers in the point. and even if it was held in dcu there still would be a lot more money fighting dunne.

anyway neither camp was willing to budge. why would they, they were making more than enough money where they were and looking at the bigger picture. Dunne was taking as handy a route to get world ranked ahead of saturday nights fight. while i believe munroe was biding his time with low level defences until he had to fight kiko as his mandatory. we all knew he was going to win again. he beats kiko 10 times out of 10 for me. They are being very clever prolonging munroes reign... and rightly so.


On Munroe getting a world title shot, yes he deserves it more than Bernard in fairness to him.
EDIT: Not that bernard isnt deserving, he is deserving as a voluntary challenger. Munroe is just higher up the list should it be a case of the highest ranked available fighter.

ShaunD

walshb wrote: »

Why do you delete those comments?

Because they are more personal attacks on Dunne than just opinions,these guys don't just say that Munroe would destroy Dunne, they get very personal and say things I couldn't even repeat! I don't want that kind of crap on my blog.That's what Youtube is for!

ShaunD

Johnduddy wrote: »

July 08 article from the independent...Maloney basically saying Dunnes not getting a shot end of.

If Dunne does win on Sat he should tell Munroe and Maloney to shove it up their hole. What goes around comes around and all that....

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing-dunne-sets-sights-on-munroe-in--spite-of-title-snub-1429994.html

That is exactly my point.Why should Munroe get a world title shot if Dunne wins?
Munroe had no problem coming over to Dublin to fight Fabrizzio Trotta, so why not come over here to fight Dunne.
When he fought Martinez for the title it was in England, not Spain, now Matinez was the champ, why did he have no problem travelling?
Munroe will not fight Dunne for the EBU title but he will fight him for the world title!
It just looks like Munroe wants the shots but is not willing to put in the hard work and is looking for the easiest possible route to a title.

alanceltic

Is munroe deserving of a title shot???? doesnt make much difference really as he is Top 10 ranked and its on record that he declined a shot against Cordoba, it would apprear that Maloney knows his fighters limitations

ShaunD

I guess my question is does Munroe deserve a shot at Dunne's title (if he wins it), I know Munroe is rated in the top 10 of a few organizations so deserves a title shot in theory, but the way he and Maloney are going about all this is wrong in my opinion.
Frank Maloney more less said that if Dunne loses this fight that there is no way that Dunne is getting a shot at the EBU and that Dunne's career will be over, but is quite happy for Munroe to fight Dunne should he become WBA champion.
If Dunne and Peter's conducted business this way they would never hear the end of it!

ah,sure

Monroe is going to the fight with Maloney.

Might call Bernard out afterwards, certainly will if he wins.

alanceltic

i wonder will the little man wear his union jack suit to the grand event when he returns home to the land of his parents?

walshb

Me suspects that Maloney and Munroe aren't going to watch Dunne. They are expecting a Cordoba victory and want to see how they will do should Cordoba give them a bite!

mark renton

I think its important to add that once a boxer holds the European title then its financially riskier to give up that title and box for world title... Ask Michael Hunter, its a long long way back

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Me suspects that Maloney and Munroe aren't going to watch Dunne. They are expecting a Cordoba victory and want to see how they will do should Cordoba give them a bite!

They'll be going to watch both, as they've had the chance to meet both fighters in the past and the chance to meet both in the future. Yes they'll fancy a Cordoba win(just like the bookies), but they're there to watch both men.

ShaunD

john47832 wrote: »

I think its important to add that once a boxer holds the European title then its financially riskier to give up that title and box for world title... Ask Michael Hunter, its a long long way back

But isn't that what boxing is all about, Europe and then the world!When Dunne was European champion he could not wait for a world title shot. If Dunne had beat Kiko his next fight would probably have been for a world title and I doubt there was any hesitation on his part to give up the European title for that shot.
The likes of Munroe and Maloney should not be slagging off Dunne in the media and then expect to get a crack at the title if Dunne wins it!
Especially seen as how Munroe was not willing to risk his EBU title against Dunne, that's how I see it.

eagle eye

I suppose at this point in time Monroe is just as deserving of a title fight as Bernard Dunne. Imo though, Dunne beats Monroe handy and the reason is his work rate early in the fight is just too much for Monroe and he couldn't finish Kiko even when he was out on his feet so I don't think Bernard has anything to worry about and builds a huge lead in a fight between them.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

They'll be going to watch both, as they've had the chance to meet both fighters in the past and the chance to meet both in the future. Yes they'll fancy a Cordoba win(just like the bookies), but they're there to watch both men.

C'mon, you know what I mean, you yourself said it.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

C'mon, you know what I mean, you yourself said it.

They'll have seen less of Cordoba and since he's a strong favourite of course he'll be their prime concern. However do you think if this was for the WBA Super-Bantamweight title and Dunne was involved and Cordoba wasn't that they wouldn't still be here ?

I personally think if Dunne was fighting a badger for a World title Munroe and his camp would come to watch.

walshb

Of course they'd be here, but they are here to watch Cordoba more so, that's my point. He is the favorite. They have seen enough of Dunne.
Nothing new there! No matter who is fighting against Dunne for the title, they would be here to watch Dunne's opponent MORE.

unknown13

I think it would be a good fight but will it happen not yet, unless Dunne gets made mandatory by the EBU [which are messing with him], then the fight will happen.

Syferus

Johnduddy wrote: »

Was Munroes manager not the one saying that he couldnt deal with Brian Peters as he was making unreasonable demands and thats why the fight with Dunne didnt go ahead ?

I agree with Walsh. If Dunne deserved a title shot (having beaten nobody !) then Munroe deserves one (having beaten the only fighter to beat dunne)

To be honest I was shocked they managed to pull off getting him a shot in the first place. Money talks I suppose.

Not a particularly valid analogy as it's not like Matinez boxed Dunne off the ring, he caught him very,very cold - no more, no less.

The Martinez factor is irrelvant at this point for anything but Frank Maloney trying to media bait the Dunne camp into putting a title on the line when Munroe hasn't yet made the step up to world level and wouldn't warrant a shot otherwise.

Dunne got a shot because his ranking has been consistently high. It wasn't for beating 'no one'.

And now that Dunne has the WBA title, any fight with Munroe will almost surely be here and with a huge chunk of the pot going straight into Dunne's bank account.

That said, Dunne will probably opt for a more sensible route and try and unify the messy WBA title situation and get another world title belt in the process. The previous WBA champion, Celestino Caballero (who Cordoba knocked out a few years ago), won the IBF title and was installed by the WBA a sort of 'super' champion.

It's likely Dunne could be eying up a that fight rather than worrying about Munroe. Caballero is older than Dunne and his loss to Cordoba means that Dunne should have little to be scared of, even though he's very tall for his weight.

walshb

Syferus wrote: »

Dunne got a shot because his ranking has been consistently high. It wasn't for beating 'no one'.


It's likely Dunne could be eying up a that fight rather than worrying about Munroe. Caballero is older than Dunne and his loss to Cordoba means that Dunne should have little to be scared of, evne though he's very tall for now his weight.

Consistently high?

He was never ranked high, ever!

Hey, who cares now, he deserves his top ten place. He has earned it!

Syferus

walshb wrote: »

Consistently high?

He was never ranked high, ever!

Hey, who cares now, he deserves his top ten place. He has earned it!

Dunne has been knocking around the WBA top ten for a long time. He's been regularly fighting serious boxers for years now, from his days with Freddie Roach in the US, which we were far less privy to, to his return to Ireland.

The main point is Munroe has popped up from - relatively - no where to beat a clearly very limted European champion in Martinez (twice) and not a huge amount else. He's still a part-time boxer, even if he has some potential. He has been sheperded away from dangerous fights before, so it's debatable if the Munroe camp is just offering bluster knowing they can row back by saying the Dunne camp is asking for too big a cut.

Simply put, a shot would be a gift to Munroe for the fact it'd be Brian Peters' finanical wet dream, not because he earned it or because Dunne had much to gain in fighting him. If Dunne thinks he's a serious champion he needs to have Caballero squarely in his sights in the coming year.

Could the Munroe fight happen? It's a real possibility, esspecially if Maloney thinks Munroe is worth handing over a small fortune in fight cuts, as well as referee and judges selection sway, against a guy who looked very impressive in his last fight, but it's not one that sparks the imagination like other options Dunne has now.

If it did happen, I'd say Dunne would have too much for Munroe, whose impressive physique belies very poor punching power. Dunne can be rocked, but since Munroe sometimes resorts to what can be best described as batting his opponents away, he seems custom made for Dunne to pick apart over a dozen rounds.

simongurnick

Syferus wrote: »

Not a particularly valid analogy as it's not like Matinez boxed Dunne off the ring, he caught him very,very cold - no more, no less.

The Martinez factor is irrelvant at this point for anything but Frank Maloney trying to media bait the Dunne camp into putting a title on the line when Munroe hasn't yet made the step up to world level and wouldn't warrant a shot otherwise.

Dunne got a shot because his ranking has been consistently high. It wasn't for beating 'no one'.

And now that Dunne has the WBA title, any fight with Munroe will almost surely be here and with a huge chunk of the pot going straight into Dunne's bank account.

That said, Dunne will probably opt for a more sensible route and try and unify the messy WBA title situation and get another world title belt in the process. The previous WBA champion, Celestino Caballero (who Cordoba knocked out a few years ago), won the IBF title and was installed by the WBA a sort of 'super' champion.

It's likely Dunne could be eying up a that fight rather than worrying about Munroe. Caballero is older than Dunne and his loss to Cordoba means that Dunne should have little to be scared of, even though he's very tall for his weight.

Just because Cordoba beat Caballero doesn't mean Dunne would do the same. If I was Peters I'd stay the hell away from Caballero for a few fights at least. Caballero made bits of Steve Molitor on his home turf to unify their titles. He's really tall for his weight. He's awkward, rangy and very unpredicatable. He's got a lot of power and would be a very very tricky opponent. On the other hand his defence is dodgy and I'm still not sure if he looked good cos he is good or because Molitor had an off night. Molitor was the worst I've seen him but he was up against one of his toughest opponents.

simongurnick

Actually Munroe wouldn't be a bad option. Dunne shouldn't have a problem with him and it could be hyped up as an Ireland v England deal. Although after some of the ****talk coming out of his camp before, Peters may be unwilling to give them a slice of this pie

Syferus

simongurnick wrote: »

Actually Munroe wouldn't be a bad option. Dunne shouldn't have a problem with him and it could be hyped up as an Ireland v England deal. Although after some of the ****talk coming out of his camp before, Peters may be unwilling to give them a slice of this pie

I don't think Dunne should just jump into the ring with Cabellero, but I do think it is an emmiently winnable fight for him. If Dunne is brave and just a little bit lucky people could soon be wondering why they ever questioned him.

Munroe is a fighter suited to Dunne's abilties, but it's questionable whether Munroe really wants a shot at Dunne in the next round or two of fights.

It's probably partially just basking in the glow of one of the best days in Irish sporting history, but Dunne's victory could light the spark for a true purple patch in Irish boxing. We all know we've got a selection box of potential world champions, but now one of the generation has made the breakthrough it gives hope that the flood gates may open.

Now, however, I think it's time for me to close the book on what has been easily the most satisfying day to be an Irish sport fan in my lifetime.

Goodnight indeed.

joepenguin

Munroe would be deserving of a shot at Dunnes title as far as voluntaries go.

ah,sure

I'm all for the 'go and ****ing do one' Maloney but I reckon it would be a great fight to make, and easy to sell.

But the world champion got cut up badly tonight, and sadly, I anticipate about six months out before he gears up again.

Johner

Syferus wrote: »

The previous WBA champion, Celestino Caballero (who Cordoba knocked out a few years ago), won the IBF title and was installed by the WBA a sort of 'super' champion.

No he didnt knock him out.

jimmyboy

Knocked him down

walshb

I have said and Mick Dowling said that Bernard needs a certain styled opponent and Cordoba was that one. I said that this was Bernard's best chance. The guy wasn't a puncher and ultimately he ran out of steam. Bernard took
more punishment than Cordoba, that is indisputable and came back.
Dunne needs to think carefully and make the most of this.
Munroe isn't a banger and he would be a good bet for a defence

Syferus

jimmyboy wrote: »

Knocked him down

Yeah, that's what I meant. It was late.

The fact is that however good anyone thinks Caballero is, he is in the same bracket as Cordoba and Dunne has proved he's more than capable of dealing with fighters at this level. It's very much within his reach to defeat Cabellero.

Once he solidifies things with an 'easy' defense or two, he has to realistically be thinking about a Caballero fight as the sensible route onwards and upwards.

Syferus

walshb wrote: »

I have said and Mick Dowling said that Bernard needs a certain styled opponent and Cordoba was that one. I said that this was Bernard's best chance. The guy wasn't a puncher and ultimately he ran out of steam. Bernard took
more punishment than Cordoba, that is indisputable and came back.
Dunne needs to think carefully and make the most of this.
Munroe isn't a banger and he would be a good bet for a defence

Oh, that is very much disputable, no what what exactly you mean. Before he got knocked down twice Dunne clearly had the better of Cordoba, with two knock downs in the previous round and winning at like one of the earlier rounds.

After the knock downs, Dunne took the following round to get his head straight and he won the majority of rounds following that and hit the majority of the damaging punches. It was far from unamious, but Dunne dealt more than he took in every section of the fight.

You say Coroba isn't a big puncher - which is true - but he knocked down Caballero after a fight quite similar to the Dunne-Coroba fight. Cabellero is no walk-over, but Dunne wouldn't fear him.

And the simple fact is that every boxer has a range and an ideal opponent. Dunne is no different and he's shown real signs of growth in his last fight, so to try and pidgeon hole him too much is hubris on your part.

walshb

Syferus wrote: »

Oh, that is very much disputable, no what what exactly you mean. Before he got knocked down twice Dunne clearly had the better of Cordoba, with two knock downs in the previous round and winning at like one of the earlier rounds.

After the knock downs, Dunne took the following round to get his head straight and he won the majority of rounds following that and hit the majority of the damaging punches. It was far from unamious, but Dunne dealt more than he took in every section of the fight.

You say Coroba isn't a big puncher - which is true - but he knocked down Caballero after a fight quite similar to the Dunne-Coroba fight. Cabellero is no walk-over, but Dunne wouldn't fear him.

And the simple fact is that every boxer has a range and an ideal opponent. Dunne is no different and he's shown real signs of growth in his last fight, so to try and pidgeon hole him too much is hubris on your part.

Can anyone really say Dunne landed as many as he took? I don't think he did.
Cordoba is not a big puncher. Hey, he's not feather fisted either. He is not a heavy handed fighter and just because he knocked someome down doesn't mean he's a heavy hitter. Did you see the knockdwon? Many fighters who aren't heavy hitters have knocked fighetrs down. Bernard did it last night
in rd 3.

Dunne has shown real signs of growth. I still am very nervous for him in against a heavy handed fighter. He was shaky throughout the fight. That was plain
to see. Lets be honest when assessing the bout. Lets not get carried away here. I am chuffed and I think Dunne showed great character and heart, but I am worried for him against a heavy handed fighter. The evidence is there for me to worry.

Cordoba was the champ; but to say he was a great champ is a stretch. He was awarded the belt on a fight off and is a notch below some of the others
in the division. We all know this. He was Bernard's best chance and Bernard
did it and i doing it he impressed me. He surprised me too.

I want a few easy defences and for Dunne to make a mint and get out
safe

walshb

Syferus wrote: »

Oh, that is very much disputable, no what what exactly you mean. Before he got knocked down twice Dunne clearly had the better of Cordoba, with two knock downs in the previous round and winning at like one of the earlier rounds.

What fight were you watching. Dunne scored one knockdwon in rd 3 as far as I
am aware, not two.

BTW, rd 1 and 2 were rds fairly clear for Ricardo

matty84

walshb wrote: »

Can anyone really say Dunne landed as many as he took? I don't think he did.
Cordoba is not a big puncher. Hey, he's not feather fisted either. He is not a heavy handed fighter and just because he knocked someome down doesn't mean he's a heavy hitter. Did you see the knockdwon? Many fighters who aren't heavy hitters have knocked fighetrs down. Bernard did it last night
in rd 3.

Dunne has shown real signs of growth. I still am very nervous for him in against a heavy handed fighter. He was shaky throughout the fight. That was plain
to see. Lets be honest when assessing the bout. Lets not get carried away here. I am chuffed and I think Dunne showed great character and heart, but I am worried for him against a heavy handed fighter. The evidence is there for me to worry.

Cordoba was the champ; but to say he was a great champ is a stretch. He was awarded the belt on a fight off and is a notch below some of the others
in the division. We all know this. He was Bernard's best chance and Bernard
did it and i doing it he impressed me. He surprised me too.

I want a few easy defences and for Dunne to make a mint and get out
safe

Great post couldnt agree more, i was very nervous for dunne in the later rounds as he was leaving himself vulnerable to the counter, even mc callum himself was saying the next big punch that lands was going to win the fight

walshb

Thanks Matty, I just want to be clear here. I am in awe and I am so impressed
with Bernard and his heart and commitment, but I was on edge all the
time because of his punch resistance. He was so shaky and I think Codoba simply blew himself out. Cordoba too missed so many shots through his wildness. He knackered himself from misses

"Although Cordoba’s final trip to the canvas was preceded by two right hands and a left hook, none of the punches landed with particularly lethal force. (“I think he was more exhausted than anything else,” said Dunne.) In any case, the instant Cordoba crashed to the floor, Hubert Earle immediately signaled the bout at an end."

Couldn't agree more with this quote from a article online:

It's amazing, but Cordoba constantly looked like the man to end
the bout and in the end he got caught and he had nothing left. Bernard, well done, but jeez, did you have us worried

joepenguin

Some people may have thought cordobas slip was a knockdown, especially if you were watching it live or in the pub and looked away for a second.
But thats all it was... a slip. I reckon Dunne landed more shots but Cordoba was landing some hard shots on him throughout. What a peach of a shot for Dunnes first knockdown.

Syferus

walshb wrote: »

Can anyone really say Dunne landed as many as he took? I don't think he did.
Cordoba is not a big puncher. Hey, he's not feather fisted either. He is not a heavy handed fighter and just because he knocked someome down doesn't mean he's a heavy hitter. Did you see the knockdwon? Many fighters who aren't heavy hitters have knocked fighetrs down. Bernard did it last night
in rd 3.

Dunne has shown real signs of growth. I still am very nervous for him in against a heavy handed fighter. He was shaky throughout the fight. That was plain
to see. Lets be honest when assessing the bout. Lets not get carried away here. I am chuffed and I think Dunne showed great character and heart, but I am worried for him against a heavy handed fighter. The evidence is there for me to worry.

Cordoba was the champ; but to say he was a great champ is a stretch. He was awarded the belt on a fight off and is a notch below some of the others
in the division. We all know this. He was Bernard's best chance and Bernard
did it and i doing it he impressed me. He surprised me too.

I want a few easy defences and for Dunne to make a mint and get out
safe

What 'we all know' is that Cordoba beat Caballero out of the ring in a one-sided fight.

If anything, your assertion that Cordoba is nothing special is an indictment for Dunne to fight Caballero.

joepenguin

To be a top ten fighter in one of the most stacked if not the most stacked division in boxing including a win over the no.1 when you're just 20... This is special, you dont need mike tyson power, sugar ray leonards speed, or wayne mcculloughs chin to be special. Cordoba has beaten world champions who beats world champions!!!