Plane going down.. what will we do?!

Rag

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/skydivers-bail-out-but-plane-pilot-hurt-in-crash-1674044.html

Rag wrote:

A group of skydivers were forced to bail out early from a plane moments before it crashed near an airfield in the midlands yesterday.

there's something perfect about it.. you're ina plane, the engine fails but you're part of a skydiving team.

would definately make the jump 10 times better!


pilot survived so it's ok

Quazzie

I live a mile from where this happened. Scarey **** considering he coulve easily have been forced to come down in a housing estate.

connundrum

Lucky they weren't transporting bags of rocks :pac:

Although I suppose it makes as much sense as a ship having life boats.

chickenhawk

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

I live a mile from where this happened. Scarey **** considering he coulve easily have been forced to come down in a housing estate.

It was a plane not a flipping anvil! They can glide and turn to find a landing spot especially if they have 9,000ft to play with.

Saibh

chickenhawk wrote: »

It was a plane not a flipping anvil! They can glide and turn to find a landing spot especially if they have 9,000ft to play with.

Have you landed a plane that has lost power from 9,000ft?

Turd Ferguson

Saibh wrote: »

Have you landed a plane that has lost power from 9,000ft?

I have, once. My co-pilot was a naked Gordon Ramsey....come to think of it, that may have been a dream.

Saibh

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

I have, once. My co-pilot was a naked Gordon Ramsey....come to think of it, that may have been a dream.

Could be a true story if you had of said Chuck Norris

Quazzie

chickenhawk wrote: »

It was a plane not a flipping anvil! They can glide and turn to find a landing spot especially if they have 9,000ft to play with.

Not all planes are gliders with engines. Most require lateral thrust to maintain airflow under the wings to cause lift. Until you grasp this very basic idea I suggest keeping you Ill informed, semi coherent remarks to yourself.

Peared

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

Not all planes are gliders with engines. Most require lateral thrust to maintain airflow under the wings to cause lift. Until you grasp this very basic idea I suggest keeping you Ill informed, semi coherent remarks to yourself.

Ooh, get her!

Dartz

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CreepingDeath

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

Not all planes are gliders with engines. Most require lateral thrust to maintain airflow under the wings to cause lift.

What pop-up book did you read that in ?
All planes can glide, some are just better than others.
They don't need "thrust" as you incorrectly claim.
If they've enough height they can point the nose down and sacrafice height for speed. That's standard practise for getting out of a stall.

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

Until you grasp this very basic idea I suggest keeping you Ill informed, semi coherent remarks to yourself.

The same goes for yourself. And your post is bordering on abuse.

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Saibh
Have you landed a plane that has lost power from 9,000ft?

I've glided many times from 1,000ft AGL to 3,500ft AGL with a mock engine failure and like chickenhawk said, it ain't no anvil!

The Cessna 206 probably has a glide ratio of 6:1 or greater.

The minimum height for a tandem parachute jump is usually around 5,000ft but considering this was an emergency they would have jumped at a lower height. Let's say 3,000ft.

That gives the pilot a gliding range of about a 3.5 miles.

If the jump was being carried out at the airfield, then the pilot had ample height for a glide approach.

He was obviously caught out on short finals. Glad to hear he is alright though!:D

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Originally Posted by Quazzie2002
Not all planes are gliders with engines. Most require lateral thrust to maintain airflow under the wings to cause lift.

It's more so the airflow over the wing that causes lift as this is where the low pressure is generated.

ferrigan101

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I've glided many times from 1,000ft AGL to 3,500ft AGL with a mock engine failure and like chickenhawk said, it ain't no anvil!

The Cessna 206 probably has a glide ratio of 6:1 or greater.

The minimum height for a tandem parachute jump is usually around 5,000ft but considering this was an emergency they would have jumped at a lower height. Let's say 3,000ft.

That gives the pilot a gliding range of about a 3.5 miles.

If the jump was being carried out at the airfield, then the pilot had ample height for a glide approach.

He was obviously caught out on short finals. Glad to hear he is alright though!:D

Have you been playing Tom Clancys H.A.W.X aswellthen?:eek:

mumhaabu

Plane going down? Instruct the pilot to fly it into Dail Eireann or wherever Biffo and the rest of Fianna Fail happens to be at the time, at least this way our deaths may not be in vain as we would have given the country hope.

chickenhawk

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

Not all planes are gliders with engines. Most require lateral thrust to maintain airflow under the wings to cause lift. Until you grasp this very basic idea I suggest keeping you Ill informed.

Actually the airflow generated by having a nose down attitude would be sufficient to generate lift to glide clear of built up areas unless very low.

And that's the informed opinion of a commercial pilot.

aoibhebree

mumhaabu wrote: »

Plane going down? Instruct the pilot to fly it into Dail Eireann or wherever Biffo and the rest of Fianna Fail happens to be at the time, at least this way our deaths may not be in vain as we would have given the country hope.

Every fcuking thread ... :mad:

Preset No.3

Could all those with a PPL or higher please raise their hands and then comment? No microsoft flight sim experts please. Suggest we move this to the correct forum.

CreepingDeath

Preset No.3 wrote: »

No microsoft flight sim experts please. Suggest we move this to the correct forum.

What about X-plane ? That's a whole lot more accurate and the instruments are FAA certified.

jesus, ye're a bunch of nerds :P

Preset No.3

If X-plane aint working for you, you can always press the reset button. Actually flying the aircraft makes it totally different. If you've ever been up a couple of thousand feet wondering will you make it to the field below then you'll know what i mean. ANY kind of sim will never give you that kind of adrenaline.

blackgold>>

When the war broke out in georgia they were all experts on georgia, now , they're all ****ing pilots....I love this place lol

FlutterinBantam

Fair play Pre set, FSX and the like are nothing like the real thing.

The auld whizz of the wind, the fooking downdraughts , the capricious wind.

Nice to hear the clatter of the gear on the "big ball" always.

CreepingDeath

blackgold>> wrote: »

When the war broke out in georgia they were all experts on georgia, now , they're all ****ing pilots....I love this place lol

Hey, I supported the Georgian rebels in the PC game "Ghost Recon".
I was there man !

blackgold>>

I heard that alright on the wires.
Fair play to ya !:D

greatgoal

ok alltogether,99 bottles of beer on the wall 99 bottles of beer,if 1 of those bottles of beer were to fall,98 bottles of beer on the wall.....

Mr Benevolent

Nice to hear the clatter of the gear on the "big ball" always.

Eh? Sounds like some sort of sado-masochism. I'm a big aviation fan, but what the hell is a 'big ball'?

Quazzie

CreepingDeath wrote: »

They don't need "thrust" as you incorrectly claim.
If they've enough height they can point the nose down and sacrafice height for speed. That's standard practise for getting out of a stall.

Good luck landing with nose down. Flight sim isn't the same as real life. Maybe ya should try things irl more often creeps

Wibbs

Flare before landing I would have thought(like the shuttle which has a pretty crappy glider thing going on). Anyway nose down increases airspeed. Increased airspeed gives both lift and control. With a few thousand feet to play with, depending on wing loading and subsequent glide characteristics that will give you aforementioned lift and control and should at least put the odds on your survival and avoidance of populated areas. Don't have a flight sim. Grew up with a few pilots in the family.

In any case it's simple physics.

CreepingDeath

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

Good looking landing with nose down. Flight sum isn't the same as real life.

Who said anything about landing with the nose down ?

I said you can sacrifice height for speed, if you've no thrust.
Effectively gliding the plane in.

Your lack of knowledge of the subject has been adequately exposed anyways.

ronnie3585

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

Not all planes are gliders with engines. Most require lateral thrust to maintain airflow under the wings to cause lift. Until you grasp this very basic idea I suggest keeping you Ill informed, semi coherent remarks to yourself.

Laughed my ass off at the above quote.

What aircraft requires lateral thrust to maintain airflow under the wings? I've never heard of one. It appears that you are the one the failed to grasp even the most basic elements of aerodynamics.

An all up 206 (the accident aircraft) will have a glide ratio of about 9:1. As he lost the engine at 9,000ft he would have had a range of 81,000ft which is a little over 15 miles. If he was in or around his best glide speed then he would have been descending at about 500 feet per minute, this would have given him around 18 minutes from when the engine quit until when he was on the ground.

For whatever reason, the pilot didn't make it back to the airfield. There is no point commenting until the AAIU have published their report. However, he glided into that field, he didn't drop like a stone from 9,000ft.

If a single engined aircraft loses it's engine, it does not fall from the sky. It glides. Statements like this;

I live a mile from where this happened. Scarey **** considering he coulve easily have been forced to come down in a housing estate.

illustrate perfectly the ignorant, uneducated opinions relating to aviation, and in particular general aviation, which you can read in the tabloids every time there is even the most minor incident.

FlutterinBantam

Confab wrote: »

Eh? Sounds like some sort of sado-masochism. I'm a big aviation fan, but what the hell is a 'big ball'?

Bit of precision here I said "the big ball"

Earth!:D

Wibbs

ronnie3585 wrote: »

illustrate perfectly the ignorant, uneducated opinions relating to aviation, and in particular general aviation, which you can read in the tabloids every time there is even the most minor incident.

QFT

CreepingDeath

ronnie3585 wrote: »

Laughed my ass off at the above quote.

What aircraft requires lateral thrust to maintain airflow under the wings?

He must have some jet-powered crows flying around in the fields of Offaly.

ronnie3585

CreepingDeath wrote: »

He must have some jet-powered crows flying around in the fields of Offaly.

Don't know about crows but there is a flying cow county Limerick:D

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled/Van's%20RV-7/1412857/L/&width=1024&height=695&sok=&sort=&photo_nr=0&prev_id=&next_id=1365096

diverdriver

Nice pic of Gerry Humphreys RV-7 there, Ronnie. Paying him a visit soon, maybe he'll let me fly it. Maybe I can practice lateral thrust lomcevaks :rolleyes:.

Har-har like Ronnie larfed my ass off reading this thread. Ronnie is spot on. The Herald said the skydivers had seconds to bail out. More like 15 minutes. Time enough for tea and biscuits. From 9000 feet it takes about 5 minutes to get down even at the maximum safe rate of descent.

Not sure why he parked it upside down in a ploughed field when there was a nice runway 20 yards over the hedge. Getting to be a bit of habit this landing short. Oh well there but for the grace of God.;)

All you Microsoft pilots out there, go and practice emergencies. You'll never know when you'll need it.

Tar.Aldarion

Why are there so many plane nerds

CreepingDeath

It's a guy thing.

diverdriver

Why are there so many plane nerds

SkyGod pilots cannot be nerds. Geeks maybe but never nerds. Microsoft pilots on the other hand are always nerds.

Preset No.3

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Why are there so many plane nerds

Plane nerds? No. Pilots? Yes. As in we deal with real life and real situations. I would like to see any 'sim expert' to take the controls of a little cessna 150 and see what happens you when have a practice engine off landing or glide approach.
I remember a time, had about 35 hours, taking off, about 200 ft up and engine started to splutter. Engine didnt die completly but it scared me sh1tless! NO time to do a circuit, a quick 180 and landed back on the r/w I took off on. Not exactly what you should do, but my first concern was getting machine on the ground and walking away all limbs in one piece!

Gummy Panda

diverdriver wrote: »

Herald said the skydivers had seconds to bail out. More like 15 minutes. Time enough for tea and biscuits.

So in Point Break when Keanu Reaves jumps out without a parachute after Patrick Swayze, he would have had a enough time to grab him?

ronnie3585

Gummy Panda wrote: »

So in Point Break when Keanu Reaves jumps out without a parachute after Patrick Swayze, he would have had a enough time to grab him?

Only if he had the Swayze Express.

Eoin

Preset No.3 wrote: »

Could all those with a PPL or higher please raise their hands and then comment?

If there is one thing you don't need to do, it is asking pilots to tell everyone they are a pilot.

diverdriver

How do you know you've met a pilot at a party?

He tells you.

Pfft don't be daft.

Everyone knows theres no such thing as planes. Flying metal birds me arse.

Big Wave

Quazzie2002 wrote:

Not all planes are gliders with engines. Most require lateral thrust to maintain airflow under the wings to cause lift. Until you grasp this very basic idea I suggest keeping you Ill informed, semi coherent remarks to yourself.

WTF are you talking about?

Quazzie

Big Wave wrote: »

WTF are you talking about?

Proof that posting while under the influence combined with an iPhone is never a good idea but I'll try explain what I meant to say.

To maintain complete control of a plane you need to maintain speed to maintain airflow over the wings. Over not under as pointed out previously. To maintain this speed you need forward thrust provided by an engine, or by gravity as pointed out so graciously by Creepingdeath.

I honestly thought it'd be harder to control without the engine but Wibbs and a few others pointed out it's still plenty manouveurable(sp?) without the engine. Ya learn something new everyday.

Abi

Lols. Its like a dïck measuring competition in here.

Not that I have any complex and informative opinion on the matter, why not ask over in Aviation?







Anyone know what became of the drinks cart? Just askin' like.

Dave!

I'm glad all of the previous posters were able to clear up those misconceptions! It means that I don't have to use my own vast aircraft knowledge this day Ahem

Flyer1

Screw this, i'm going flying