College Fees

sr. kila

So the government are saying that they might be bringing in 3rd level fees. I dont know about yee, but if they come in i wont be able to afford to go to college. This forum is for people in college or people doing the leaving cert to leave a comment and say what they really feel.:mad::mad::mad:

Dante

I'm doing the leaving cert atm, I'm seriously gonna have to reconsider my plans for the summer if college fees are reintroduced. :( How much roughly would they be if they were reintroduced?

sr. kila

im in the same boat as you. the government are a right pack of wan#ers.
do u think u would go to a protest march or something like that.

Pollythene Pam

Only the people who can afford college fee's will be asked to pay.
Everyone who applies for college will be means-tested and if they or their parents earn more than the limit, they will be asked to pay.
Not all students will pay the same amount. This too will be means tested.
It is imposible to give every student an amnesty from fee's in these economic times.
Maybe if students were to pay fee's again like they always did untill recently, they would take college more seriously, and actually turn in every day on time without the hang-over.

DaaaaaaaaaaN

DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »

I'm doing the leaving cert atm, I'm seriously gonna have to reconsider my plans for the summer if college fees are reintroduced. :( How much roughly would they be if they were reintroduced?

Depends on the course & the college. Engineering & Medicine might be up towards 5,000 - 8,000 (very rough figures); Arts subjects (i.e. things with no labs) would be a good bit lower but would still probably be higher than 3,000 in most places.

Pollythene Pam

Ps. The last part is just a joke. I know students work hard.

sr. kila

Dónal wrote: »

Depends on the course & the college. Engineering & Medicine might be up towards 5,000 - 8,000 (very rough figures); Arts subjects (i.e. things with no labs) would be a good bit lower but would still probably be higher than 3,000 in most places.

is that cost per year or what..??

Drakmord

Pollythene Pam wrote: »

Only the people who can afford college fee's will be asked to pay.
Everyone who applies for college will be means-tested and if they or their parents earn more than the limit, they will be asked to pay.
Not all students will pay the same amount. This too will be means tested.
It is imposible to give every student an amnesty from fee's in these economic times.
Maybe if students were to pay fee's again like they always did untill recently, they would take college more seriously, and actually turn in every day on time without the hang-over.

To be honest, I think we'll be all forced to pay. The only way you even get a grant is if you are really badly off.
I'll be under serious pressure if fees get brought back. Next year both my sister and I will be subject to fees.
Also I'm only in first med and i have 4 more years .
I'm emigrating straight after I qualify if fees are brought back.
Why the hell should I help this country after I'm qualified if students are going to be punished this way.
It's typical, the one thing that's right in this country and the government is going to through it away.
Knowledge based economy my ass.

amacachi

sr. kila wrote: »

is that cost per year or what..??

Yes.

amacachi

Drakmord wrote: »

To be honest, I think we'll be all forced to pay. The only way you even get a grant is if you are really badly off.
I'll be under serious pressure if fees get brought back. Next year both my sister and I will be subject to fees.
Also I'm only in first med and i have 4 more years .
I'm emigrating straight after I qualify if fees are brought back.
Why the hell should I help this country after I'm qualified if students are going to be punished this way.
It's typical, the one thing that's right in this country and the government is going to through it away.
Knowledge based economy my ass.

Maybe try qualifying as a Doctor in the UK or the USA, I'm it'll be much cheaper.

Drakmord

amacachi wrote: »

Maybe try qualifying as a Doctor in the UK or the USA, I'm it'll be much cheaper.

The states are very expensive, Great Britain will be more appealing and reasonable though, if fees come back.
+ we'd have better facilities etc. in Britain.

sr. kila

whats the country comming to lads.... its a fukin joke

challengemaster

Best of luck trying for the USA, most colleges/unis have atleast 20,000 added on to the cost because you're not a USA national. That's on top of the other 10-50 thousand you have to pay for the course itself, and that's per year.

As for fees over here, I'm rightly screwed if they do come back. Trying to get the cost of living in Dub will be bad enough per year without paying TCD loads more...

sr. kila

would the fees in an IT be lower

dlofnep

Pollythene Pam wrote: »

Only the people who can afford college fee's will be asked to pay.
Everyone who applies for college will be means-tested and if they or their parents earn more than the limit, they will be asked to pay.
Not all students will pay the same amount. This too will be means tested.
It is imposible to give every student an amnesty from fee's in these economic times.
Maybe if students were to pay fee's again like they always did untill recently, they would take college more seriously, and actually turn in every day on time without the hang-over.

That's an awful amount of assumptions to make before the paper is even released by Batt O'Keefe. Even when the fees were in place, not everyone could afford it. It places the onus on parents, many of who feel that after 18 - are completely void of having to fork out 1000's on their children for education.. And if they have multiple children going to college, then it might even become a battle of favoritism..

Now, the economic climate is worse than it has ever been - So I'm willing to hazard a guess that fees are going to affect a lot more than those who can afford to pay it.

We'll wait until the paper is released and see what Batt has to say for himself. If he wants to fee the elite, meh - go for it.. But if the introduction of fees starts putting people off of college or putting families under financial burden, especially in these days and ages - then it's a problem.

sr. kila

we will have to take to the steets...lol

melekalikimaka

fees need to be brought back in, its a strain on the government, free fees is a luxury we have had for a few years now, same as medical cards, the country would be in a better financial situation if these celtic tiger luxuries were revoked...even for the duration of the economic crisis, sure the amount of money wasted on drop ots is vast, pay yourself and i'm sure we'd see a drop in drop out rates

challengemaster

melekalikimaka wrote: »

fees need to be brought back in, its a strain on the government, free fees is a luxury we have had for a few years now, same as medical cards, the country would be in a better financial situation if these celtic tiger luxuries were revoked...even for the duration of the economic crisis, sure the amount of money wasted on drop ots is vast, pay yourself and i'm sure we'd see a drop in drop out rates

Funny you think that considering you've already milked the system.

sr. kila

melekalikimaka wrote: »

fees need to be brought back in, its a strain on the government, free fees is a luxury we have had for a few years now, same as medical cards, the country would be in a better financial situation if these celtic tiger luxuries were revoked...even for the duration of the economic crisis, sure the amount of money wasted on drop ots is vast, pay yourself and i'm sure we'd see a drop in drop out rates

Your gas.. im sure da country could survive without an educated workforce:mad::mad::mad:
wuld u prefer poor people to die bcoz dey cant afford medicine....
ur prob da stuck up d4 type r u..?:mad:

u can keep those comments to urself

joey54

If/When they bring in fees I think it should be a loan system similar to that of Australia's. The fee's should fall on us the students head and not that of our parents.

For this reason I don't think it should be means tested. The Irish system is scammed too easily. So many people I know in college are receiving grants and student aid and I know for a fact they're scamming the system in order to do this. What kills me most is they brag about it while the rest of us poor suckers have to pay for every little thing.

Let the government bring in fees, but let everybody pay, no matter what their family status. The loans system would mean the burden would not fall on our parents but us the people actually receiving the education.

Tom Dunne

sr. kila wrote: »

Your gas.. im sure da country could survive without an educated workforce:mad::mad::mad:
wuld u prefer poor people to die bcoz dey cant afford medicine....
ur prob da stuck up d4 type r u..?:mad:

u can keep those comments to urself

Way to make an argument. :rolleyes:

Isn't Foxrock in Dublin 18?

joey54 wrote: »

If/When they bring in fees I think it should be a loan system similar to that of Australia's. The fee's should fall on us the students head and not that of our parents.

I think the loans system has it's merits, and I believe it is being looked at, but what happens when a student graduates and cannot get a job?

Either way, I think fees are on their way back, such is the economic climate we live in.

Faith

Al O'Peica wrote: »

I think the loans system has it's merits, and I believe it is being looked at, but what happens when a student graduates and cannot get a job?

Either way, I think fees are on their way back, such is the economic climate we live in.

In England, students get a loan to pay their fees if they need it, and they start paying it back once they're earning more than X amount a year (Last I heard, it was £10,000 or thereabouts). So if students graduate and don't get a job straight away, then they're not under pressure to repay the loan.

Honestly, Ireland is one of the only places to offer free third-level education. Millions of students manage in other countries, why should Ireland be any different?

Lump

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joey54

Faith wrote: »

In England, students get a loan to pay their fees if they need it, and they start paying it back once they're earning more than X amount a year (Last I heard, it was £10,000 or thereabouts). So if students graduate and don't get a job straight away, then they're not under pressure to repay the loan.

Honestly, Ireland is one of the only places to offer free third-level education. Millions of students manage in other countries, why should Ireland be any different?

Exactly, even if a graduate doesn't get a job straight away they'll get one eventually. I worry that the government won't go with this approach though as they want a way to get revenue in straight away and not have to wait around for it.

Just bringing in pure fee's is unfortunately probably the way this government is going to hit students.

sr. kila

loan system would be the biggest joke ever.. so when we are out of college we would have a huge loan to repay and probably no job because of the state of this country..

joey54

sr. kila wrote: »

loan system would be the biggest joke ever.. so when we are out of college we would have a huge loan to repay and probably no job because of the state of this country..

I find it hard to believe that a loans system from the state would be a joke. The joke at the moment is the amount of people wrongly receiving college grants.

A loan from the state is much more preferable than that from a bank who would be charging sky high interest rates and not interested in waiting around for you to get a job.

The whole point about a loans system from the state would mean interest rates on the loan would be greatly reduced than those the banks would be charging. Also banks would be expecting repayments to start coming in as soon as you were finished in college, the state would be willing to wait until you found work.

Seriously think about it before you label the idea of loans from the government a joke.

melekalikimaka

sr. kila wrote: »

loan system would be the biggest joke ever.. so when we are out of college we would have a huge loan to repay and probably no job because of the state of this country..

the free fees are in a small way resulting in the state of the country. Nearly every other country has fees in place, to say we wouldnt have an educated workforce is a poor arguement, its all well and good and yes i'm sure many are dependant on it... but surely in a time of economic change we must change too?

@challengemaster - yup...i went through the system and milked it, sure you'll be grand you'll get a scolarship to do photography

Tom Dunne

sr. kila wrote: »

loan system would be the biggest joke ever.. so when we are out of college we would have a huge loan to repay and probably no job because of the state of this country..

So what alternative do you propose?

You have to accept the sad reality that in this day and age, the country can't afford free fees for all.

Unfair? Very, but instead of sitting back and bitching and moaning in your best txt speak, propose an alternative.

angel6

Drakmord wrote: »

To be honest, I think we'll be all forced to pay. The only way you even get a grant is if you are really badly off.
I'll be under serious pressure if fees get brought back. Next year both my sister and I will be subject to fees.
Also I'm only in first med and i have 4 more years .
I'm emigrating straight after I qualify if fees are brought back.
Why the hell should I help this country after I'm qualified if students are going to be punished this way.
It's typical, the one thing that's right in this country and the government is going to through it away.
Knowledge based economy my ass.

I don't think current third-level students would be subject to tuition fees (only new applicants)...just hope that they don't have any plans of raising the reg. fees to more than 1500 euro

yay_for_summer

joey54 wrote: »

If/When they bring in fees I think it should be a loan system similar to that of Australia's. The fee's should fall on us the students head and not that of our parents.

For this reason I don't think it should be means tested. The Irish system is scammed too easily. So many people I know in college are receiving grants and student aid and I know for a fact they're scamming the system in order to do this. What kills me most is they brag about it while the rest of us poor suckers have to pay for every little thing.

Let the government bring in fees, but let everybody pay, no matter what their family status. The loans system would mean the burden would not fall on our parents but us the people actually receiving the education.

But then rich parents will pay for their kids' fees and they won't have to take on any loan. So there's still inequality.

joey54

yay_for_summer wrote: »

But then rich parents will pay for their kids' fees and they won't have to take on any loan. So there's still inequality.

Well if students parents decide they want to pay their child's fees then so be it. We don't live in a communist state, we can't watch everyone and see who's getting more than us.

Lets not forget that the governments idea of a wealthy family is a family where the parents combined wages bring in €100,000 or more. This fails to look at other factors such as how many are int the family and how many are still in full time education.

The government can't stop parents paying off their child's loan if that's what they want to do.

Also we really don't know what's going to come in. I favor a loans system but I reckon the government are looking for quick revenue and a loans system wont achieve this as they could be waiting years before the first repayments started coming in.

thebman

Al O'Peica wrote: »

So what alternative do you propose?

You have to accept the sad reality that in this day and age, the country can't afford free fees for all.

Unfair? Very, but instead of sitting back and bitching and moaning in your best txt speak, propose an alternative.

An alternative. How about we abolish fee's and put up registration costs to unacceptable levels?

What the government want is thousand euro registration fee's and college fee's on top of that.

Sure we can have the most expensive education in Europe in no time but at what expense?

Crucifix

http://www.independent.ie/education/latest-news/okeeffe-to-end-free--thirdlevel-education-1679714.html

Speaks for itself really

mahamageehad

melekalikimaka wrote: »

fees need to be brought back in, its a strain on the government, free fees is a luxury we have had for a few years now, same as medical cards, the country would be in a better financial situation if these celtic tiger luxuries were revoked...even for the duration of the economic crisis, sure the amount of money wasted on drop ots is vast, pay yourself and i'm sure we'd see a drop in drop out rates

It's a strange argument to call the medical card and free fees a "luxury". There are some people who depend on these things. I doubt tat you are one of them. Of course there would be a decreases in drop out rates... there would also be a massive decrease in registration rates.

joey54 wrote: »

If/When they bring in fees I think it should be a loan system similar to that of Australia's. The fee's should fall on us the students head and not that of our parents.

For this reason I don't think it should be means tested. The Irish system is scammed too easily. So many people I know in college are receiving grants and student aid and I know for a fact they're scamming the system in order to do this. What kills me most is they brag about it while the rest of us poor suckers have to pay for every little thing.

Let the government bring in fees, but let everybody pay, no matter what their family status. The loans system would mean the burden would not fall on our parents but us the people actually receiving the education.

Let everybody pay?? What of those who can't afford to pay?? Slap a big debt on their heads for trying to better their lives?? The people who would be hit hard by these fees are middle and lower class families, a great percentage of the parents in these families wouldn't have had the chance to go to college as they had to leave school to work. A very small percentage of pupils 30 years ago had the chance to sit a leaving cert, not to mind a college education.

sr. kila wrote: »

loan system would be the biggest joke ever.. so when we are out of college we would have a huge loan to repay and probably no job because of the state of this country..

Very fair point. Also how would this loan system deal with people who may have to emigrate he country in order to find a job.

IMHO there are many other ways the government could gain some extra money without the introduction of student fees. Some great arguments were put forward last night on the Late Late for the abolition of the Seanad. What about the number of TDs and the ridiculous expenses we, the taxpayer, are paying for??

Students are already being hit with a crazy "registration" fee. Leave the students alone for once, its about time this government started hitting the people who are scamming the system (eg the crazy artists exemption tax) and the fatcats.

melekalikimaka

mahamageehad wrote: »

It's a strange argument to call the medical card and free fees a "luxury". There are some people who depend on these things. I doubt tat you are one of them. Of course there would be a decreases in drop out rates... there would also be a massive decrease in registration rates.

we survived without them before... we can survive again, we as a nation have been spoilt by our own governemnt and the eu for too long, eu have stopped pumping us with cash and the government cant afford to be giving free medical care and free education to the masses, in all fairness, your education and your health shouldnt need to be government funded, these are basic things, we should be able to sort ourselves, too many in this country have been spoon fed for too long... and the way we are all acting like spoilt brats cos these things are being taken back, proves that

melekalikimaka

mahamageehad wrote: »

Students are already being hit with a crazy "registration" fee. Leave the students alone for once, its about time this government started hitting the people who are scamming the system (eg the crazy artists exemption tax) and the fatcats.

i'm fairly sure with the disgustingly high drop out rates in college...the students are in fact scamming the country... also i think the ol arts degrees are a bit of a scam... but thats another issue....

thebman

A system where people who drop out at the end of first year pay fees for that year might be more appreciated by the public. It would keep people who are going for a one year party away from college and there are a significant number that seem to turn up, get p*ssed until their grant is gone and then fook off. Those are legitimate targets.

The ones who turn up, get their grant and work hard are not legitimate targets IMO. They are hard working and tryin to better themselves and should be allowed to do so.

mahamageehad

melekalikimaka wrote: »

we survived without them before... we can survive again, we as a nation have been spoilt by our own governemnt and the eu for too long, eu have stopped pumping us with cash and the government cant afford to be giving free medical care and free education to the masses, in all fairness, your education and your health shouldnt need to be government funded, these are basic things, we should be able to sort ourselves, too many in this country have been spoon fed for too long... and the way we are all acting like spoilt brats cos these things are being taken back, proves that

Education and Health are basic human rights in a country like Ireland and the system we have in place at the moment is extortionate. Free healthcare for some, not the masses as its means tested, ensures everyone can access basic health care. I had a cousin home from London recently and she was shocked at the cost of healthcare here, from doctors fees to medication prices.

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i'm fairly sure with the disgustingly high drop out rates in college...the students are in fact scamming the country... also i think the ol arts degrees are a bit of a scam... but thats another issue....

Agreed! But don't forget the fact that these students are future taxpayers.

thebman wrote: »

A system where people who drop out at the end of first year pay fees for that year might be more appreciated by the public. It would keep people who are going for a one year party away from college and there are a significant number that seem to turn up, get p*ssed until their grant is gone and then fook off. Those are legitimate targets.

The ones who turn up, get their grant and work hard are not legitimate targets IMO. They are hard working and tryin to better themselves and should be allowed to do so.

You may have something there alright. Also students who go to college for the year for the party could possibly be asked to pay back a % of their maintenance grant if they're getting one??

veryangryman

sr. kila wrote: »

Your gas.. im sure da country could survive without an educated workforce:mad::mad::mad:
wuld u prefer poor people to die bcoz dey cant afford medicine....
ur prob da stuck up d4 type r u..?:mad:

u can keep those comments to urself

Im sorry - I stopped listening after you typed "da" instead of "the". Can you repeat in English please?

Clearly, you are in need of further education, certainly in the english language.

fourfiveone

I am a grateful recipient of a State-funded university education. I was the beneficiary of a grant and free fees for three years of a primary degree course and a one year post graduate.
I whole-heartedly support the re-introduction of fees.
Nearly two thirds of Leaving Cert students enter higher education. As of 2004, the adjusted figures for entrants from the children of semi-skilled/non-skilled workers are 33%. The children of higher professionals have a 100% entry rate, farmers 89%, employers and managers 65%, lower professionals 65%, own account workers 65%, skilled workers 50% and non-manual workers 27%. These figures are from the National Plan for Equity of Access to Higher Education. I would think access from lower socio-economic groups to universities and to courses in the more lucrative professions is even less.

The funding of second level education sees private fee-paying schools subsidized by €100,000,000 p/a.
Many of the top feeder schools to Third level charge fees to fund facilities but have teaching staff paid by the State.
In non fee-paying schools many students can afford to have grinds in specific subjects.

Now, I fully support a parent's right to invest in their child's education but I cannot agree with a Third level system with universal funding but with limited access because of gross inequality at Second level. I can afford to pay for my children's education, I would prefer not to have to but I cannot, in good conscience, demand that someone who cannot have access to higher education because of socio-economic factors should have to pay for those who do.

thebman

thebman wrote: »

A system where people who drop out at the end of first year pay fees for that year might be more appreciated by the public. It would keep people who are going for a one year party away from college and there are a significant number that seem to turn up, get p*ssed until their grant is gone and then fook off. Those are legitimate targets.

The ones who turn up, get their grant and work hard are not legitimate targets IMO. They are hard working and tryin to better themselves and
should be allowed to do so.

This is already the case somewhat. These people are liable for full fees in their first year, in the event that they return to college at a later stage.

thebman

Deleted User wrote: »

thebman wrote: »

A system where people who drop out at the end of first year pay fees for that year might be more appreciated by the public.

This is already the case somewhat. These people are liable for full fees in their first year, in the event that they return to college at a later stage.

I'm aware of that but I know plenty of people who turned up for a free booze fest who never had any intention of going to college, they just went to get drunk for a few months at the tax payers expense and somewhat their parents.

Then they go off and work in a shop or whatever they actually wanted to do. Many ended up in construction I guess.

This raises an interesting question then. If someone is liable for fees if they go back and fees are introduced, do they owe two year fees or do they just pay like everyone else will have to pay? Otherwise your essentially canceling the penalty.

fourfiveone

fourfiveone wrote: »

I am a grateful recipient of a State-funded university education. I was the beneficiary of a grant and free fees for three years of a primary degree course and a one year post graduate.
I whole-heartedly support the re-introduction of fees.
Nearly two thirds of Leaving Cert students enter higher education. As of 2004, the adjusted figures for entrants from the children of semi-skilled/non-skilled workers are 33%. The children of higher professionals have a 100% entry rate, farmers 89%, employers and managers 65%, lower professionals 65%, own account workers 65%, skilled workers 50% and non-manual workers 27%. These figures are from the National Plan for Equity of Access to Higher Education. I would think access from lower socio-economic groups to universities and to courses in the more lucrative professions is even less.

The funding of second level education sees private fee-paying schools subsidized by €100,000,000 p/a.
Many of the top feeder schools to Third level charge fees to fund facilities but have teaching staff paid by the State.
In non fee-paying schools many students can afford to have grinds in specific subjects.

Now, I fully support a parent's right to invest in their child's education but I cannot agree with a Third level system with universal funding but with limited access because of gross inequality at Second level. I can afford to pay for my children's education, I would prefer not to have to but I cannot, in good conscience, demand that someone who cannot have access to higher education because of socio-economic factors should have to pay for those who do.

I am so sick of people saying how the children of lower socio-economic groups have a lower rate of participation in third level education. It is there own choice if they don't want to go to college and therefore they're own fault. First of all these people can get into any course with fewer points than standard applicants can. And then they get grants. I don't see what is stopping them to be honest.

thebman

thebman wrote: »

I'm aware of that but I know plenty of people who turned up for a free booze fest who never had any intention of going to college, they just went to get drunk for a few months at the tax payers expense and somewhat their parents.

Then they go off and work in a shop or whatever they actually wanted to do. Many ended up in construction I guess.

This raises an interesting question then. If someone is liable for fees if they go back and fees are introduced, do they owe two year fees or do they just pay like everyone else will have to pay? Otherwise your essentially canceling the penalty.

Yes I know what you mean and who you mean. Thats actually a good suggestion.

As for the second question, it would be ridiculous to charge them twice. This is the case I am actually in. I am going back to college in September after taking this year out (to work to pay for my fees in my first year). Now I just have to wait and see what the hell happens!!

thebman

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes I know what you mean and who you mean. Thats actually a good suggestion.

As for the second question, it would be ridiculous to charge them twice. This is the case I am actually in. I am going back to college in September after taking this year out (to work to pay for my fees in my first year). Now I just have to wait and see what the hell happens!!

I know that would be ridiculous but it is a problem to let people off who had a free year and are liable for fees as their penalty that they will have to look at IMO or at least should look at.

Personally I'm against the re-introduction of fees altogether. I think my system above for first years and the current system for other years combined with fee's acquired through foreign students would pay for third level education in the country. If not a part-fees system would be preferable to a return to full fees.

veryangryman

thebman wrote: »

I'm aware of that but I know plenty of people who turned up for a free booze fest who never had any intention of going to college, they just went to get drunk for a few months at the tax payers expense and somewhat their parents.

Very true. And the college will do all they can to get them back the next year, knowing full well that they get "easy money" from having the numbers in the courses. Its a viscious circle no doubt.

I think the proposed system of giving people free fees so long as they pass their exams is flawed, albeit better than the current system.

Here is my proposal...

You get a loan from government for the college fees. This loan MUST be paid back unless you pass your exams and declare that you will return for the next year. Perhaps the government charge a small amount of interest (~1%) which the student pays win lose or draw...just to make it worth the governments while. After second year, the fees are paid by the government based on the theory that once the student establishes himself/herself in college, the chances are they do give a sh1t and want to finish the course and work hard for it. Witness the lack of 3rd/4th years out on the beer most college nights

Thus, anyone who drops out pays back every penny and a little more. Anyone who works hard and makes it through will have made some money for the state AND pay higher taxes when they gain skilled employment

"Man, Veryangryman" (James Bond style greeting)

*Penbo*

I should hopefully be starting first year in ucd this sept and i know that id have to pay the first year fees anyway because i already completed a year in a different college. Is it true if youre in the system before the fees are brought back then i'd just have the pay the reg fee for the last 3 years?? Thats what the fella from ucd said but he didnt seem too sure. Because theres no way id be able to afford nearly 7000 a year for 4 years....

Under the present system if you do first year again (either same course or different) within 5 years you've to pay the fees for the first year, and for second year onwards you'd just pay Reg Fee. But there's no way to saying how it'll pan out under the proposals being mooted, since they haven't completely come out yet!

veryangryman

On a mroe speculative note, what do you guys think will happen?

The government have indicated "pain". How much "pain" do you think?

I predict student paying ~25-30% of fees along with registration. Very painful but not AS painful as could be

I dont think they can introduce them back in full straight away. Too huge an adjustment for a very vulnerable area of society. Next few years it will deffo creep in though

Perhaps having the cop to raise the higher level of tax back to 42% would be a decent step too but thats another story

RedXIV

This is sore subject in the RedXIV household. I'm in my final year of college, my brother is in his 2nd year and my sister is entering in september. Couple that with the fact my parents are both civil servants and have been getting destroyed with governement levies, I've been given the hint at home that they really need my help next year helping pay for my sister's fees.

Am getting an insight into what hardship parents are coming up against and i do feel sorry for them. I was looking into the Austrailian scheme and i personally favour this one. I worked in college up until janurary of this year just to cover costs and i'd like to think it was a character building experience and i do appreciate my degree all the more.

On a final note, i know an awful lot of people getting the grant for stupid reasons that simply don't need it. It's really soul destroying when other students who need it can't get it, and students who blatently don't need it will be able to buy cars in college, big tvs, computers, whenever it suits :mad:

sr. kila

veryangryman wrote: »

Im sorry - I stopped listening after you typed "da" instead of "the". Can you repeat in English please?

Clearly, you are in need of further education, certainly in the english language.

You clearly dont own a mobile phone..
get with the times....... this is the new language..