UR British Nd Irish Lions Team 09 RSF

DavidMctigue

I juz wanna compare Lions Teams with thous who hopfully know wat der on about

1.Sheridan
2.Flannery
3.A Jones
4.A-W Jones
5.O'Connell
6.Dave Wallace
7.Martin Williams
8.Powell
9.Blair
10.O'Gara
11.Williams
12.Bishop
13.O'Driscoll
14.Fitzgerald
15.Kearney

16.Murry
17.Lee Mears
18.Ryan Jones
19.Peel
20.Kennedy
21.Stephan Jones
22.D'arcy

R.Hayes
R.Vickery
R.Haskell
R.Heislip
R.Ferris
R.Leamy
R.Philips
R.O'Callaghan
R.Hook
R.Bowe
R.Halfpenny
R.Lewsey
R.Tait
R.Byrne
R.Flutey

I Tink Dey will get hammered but wat can be done
DAMAGE LIMITATION I TINK

chupacabra

DavidMctigue wrote: »

I juz wanna compare Lions Teams with thous who hopfully know wat der on about

1.Sheridan
2.Flannery
3.A Jones
4.A-W Jones
5.O'Connell
6.Dave Wallace
7.Martin Williams
8.Powell
9.Blair
10.O'Gara
11.Williams
12.Bishop
13.O'Driscoll
14.Fitzgerald
15.Kearney

16.Murry
17.Lee Mears
18.Ryan Jones
19.Peel
20.Kennedy
21.Stephan Jones
22.D'arcy

R.Hayes
R.Vickery
R.Haskell
R.Heislip
R.Ferris
R.Leamy
R.Philips
R.O'Callaghan
R.Hook
R.Bowe
R.Halfpenny
R.Lewsey
R.Tait
R.Byrne
R.Flutey

I Tink Dey will get hammered but wat can be done
DAMAGE LIMITATION I TINK

As far as i know there is already a thread on this somewhere. BUT, there is alot wrong with this selection. Wallace at 6? Really? Why Bishop at 12 when Roberts is clearley the form 12 at the moment. O'Gara will be lucky to get into the midweek squad imo (not bias, im munster through and through) due to the likes of Stephen Jones, Hook and Cipriani already lining up for the position.

Here's my take, but i distinctly remember replying to a thread like this already... anyway.

1. G. Jenkins
2. R. Ford
3. E. Murray
4. A-W Jones
5. POC
6. Ferris
7. M. Williams
8. Heaslip

9. Blair
10. Stephen Jones
11. Luke Fitz
12. Jamie Roberts
13. BOD
14. Shane Williams
15. Lee Byrne

Noopti

DavidMctigue wrote: »

I juz wanna compare Lions Teams with thous who hopfully know wat der on about

I Tink Dey will get hammered but wat can be done
DAMAGE LIMITATION I TINK

Are you speaking Afrikaans or something?

RuggieBear

post in text speak again and you will be banned.

Timothy Bryce

chupacabra wrote: »

As far as i know there is already a thread on this somewhere. BUT, there is alot wrong with this selection. Wallace at 6? Really? Why Bishop at 12 when Roberts is clearley the form 12 at the moment. O'Gara will be lucky to get into the midweek squad imo (not bias, im munster through and through) due to the likes of Stephen Jones, Hook and Cipriani already lining up for the position.

Here's my take, but i distinctly remember replying to a thread like this already... anyway.

1. G. Jenkins
2. R. Ford
3. E. Murray
4. A-W Jones
5. POC
6. Ferris
7. M. Williams
8. Heaslip

9. Blair
10. Stephen Jones
11. Luke Fitz
12. Jamie Roberts
13. BOD
14. Shane Williams
15. Lee Byrne

This is more like it - I think Stephen Jones is the form 10 but I think ROG will get the nod for the test team. I guess a lot depends on how the H-Cup pans out.

I'd love to see Kearney get the shout at 15 but I think Lee Byrne has that spot battened down.

beezer84

Yes agree that team is more like it for the moment. I don't know about Ford, Ferris or Blair. Think them positions are very much still up for grabs. Sadly for Kearney, Byrne is nailed on for FB. I think it looks a very strong team. It is a big week for the likes of Leamy and D'arcy - real chance to stake a claim.

Noopti

beezer84 wrote: »

Sadly for Kearney, Byrne is nailed on for FB. I think it looks a very strong team.

Don't know about that. I would say they are neck and neck, perhaps Byrne slightly ahead. But Byrne wasn't fantastic against France, and there are two games to go. One of which will pit them against eachother.

I wouldn't be in the least surprised to see Kearney have two barnstorming games and completely leapfrog Byrne onto the eventual test team.

I dont know whats worse,the team or the text speak.

Kingdom

While not wanting to sound like an idiot, surely John Hayes can't be that far away from the test team?

Darlie

Sheridan is the most overrated prop in 6N. Wouldn't have him near the test team. Jenkins and Murray at prop. Flannery lucky to be in Irish team, actually he isn't for this week, and Ross Ford can't throw. So hooker a problem, though I'd plump for Mears if pushed. O'Connell and Wyn-Jones definitely for second row. On form, Ferris at 6 and Ryan Jones left off the plane altogether. Straight scrap between Wallace and Williams at 7, straight fight between Heaslip and Powell at 8. Blair at scrum half, Jones at out half, Williams and Fitzgerald on the wings, Roberts and O'Driscoll at centre with Byrne at full back.

Honourable mentions at this stage to John Hayes, Nick kennedy, Tom Shanklin, Rob Kearney, Leigh Halfpenny.

Dark horses for test team: Leamy, Evans, Cipriani, Lewsey, Darcy.

Webbs

Darlie wrote: »

Sheridan is the most overrated prop in 6N. Wouldn't have him near the test team. Jenkins and Murray at prop. Flannery lucky to be in Irish team, actually he isn't for this week, and Ross Ford can't throw. So hooker a problem, though I'd plump for Mears if pushed. O'Connell and Wyn-Jones definitely for second row. On form, Ferris at 6 and Ryan Jones left off the plane altogether. Straight scrap between Wallace and Williams at 7, straight fight between Heaslip and Powell at 8. Blair at scrum half, Jones at out half, Williams and Fitzgerald on the wings, Roberts and O'Driscoll at centre with Byrne at full back.

Honourable mentions at this stage to John Hayes, Nick kennedy, Tom Shanklin, Rob Kearney, Leigh Halfpenny.

Dark horses for test team: Leamy, Evans, Cipriani, Lewsey, Darcy.

I agree with your forwards selection except that I think the No8 scrap will be between Heaslip and Ryan Jones who is a much better 8 than 6. I think Heaslip will get the nod and Jones covering the backrow from the bench.

I dont see what Blair has done to warrant his test place he has been poor this 6nations, for me Phillips will be more likely as he will have understanding with Jones.
I also think Evans will be on the Lions test team wing instead of Fitzgerald.

Darlie

Webbs wrote: »

I agree with your forwards selection except that I think the No8 scrap will be between Heaslip and Ryan Jones who is a much better 8 than 6. I think Heaslip will get the nod and Jones covering the backrow from the bench.

I dont see what Blair has done to warrant his test place he has been poor this 6nations, for me Phillips will be more likely as he will have understanding with Jones.
I also think Evans will be on the Lions test team wing instead of Fitzgerald.

Agree with most of that. I would say, however, that Blair has been no less impressive in his role than Ryan Jones has in his. Phillips was my pick before a ball was kicked to and fro in anger, but apart from his physicality he has done surprisingly little. Think Blair is the best combination of 7th back/9th forward.
Evans is certainly in the running. Just have a feeling that its coming a bit too soon.

taidghbaby

1.Sheridan
2.Flannery
3.Vickery
4.Gough
5.O'Connell
6.Worsely
7.Martin Williams
8.Wallace
9.Peel
10.Jones
11.Williams
12.roberts
13.O'Driscoll
14.Fitzgerald
15.Byrne


For the game in loftus i'd get Ferris (for wallace) and Phillips in! Maybe even O'Gara to kick the ball very far!

Darlie

taidghbaby wrote: »

1.Sheridan
2.Flannery
3.Vickery
4.Gough
5.O'Connell
6.Worsely
7.Martin Williams
8.Wallace
9.Peel
10.Jones
11.Williams
12.roberts
13.O'Driscoll
14.Fitzgerald
15.Byrne


For the game in loftus i'd get Ferris (for wallace) and Phillips in! Maybe even O'Gara to kick the ball very far!

With that front three O'Gara would never get his hands on the ball to kick it anywhere!!

tughfc

i have to say i think sackey will start ahead of fitzgerald! we have a wasps backroom staff and sackey is the most physical winger in the 6 nations!

jam_on_toast

its so hard to pick a 15 at the moment, will wait till end of 6 nations.

I wouldnt be suprised at all if Simon Taylor ends up in first 15, he'll be on plane due to versatality(can play 4,5,6,7,8) and is a very skillful player, can be hard to show skill level sometimes in a scotland team.

Diasgree with Timothy Bryce, heineken cup will have little to no effect on selections. Its nearly all on international form.

needtokno

Disagree with Sackey being the most physical winger, sure Bowe would be more physical than him, couple of inches taller and a stone heavier. Actually Bowe has as good a chance of playing as Fitz does, despite not getting much of a mention. Seeing as S Williams is a nailed on cert, and Byrne still ahead of Kearney for full-back, you could see the Ospreys back three starting for the Lions if Bowe were to start. The understanding he has with his clubmates could work in his favour here.

Bowe would be ahead of Fitz,he will start wing imo.

As for him being more physical that Sackey,hes not.
Hes bigger but not more physical.

Amabokke

It's not going to matter if there is players to cover 1, 2 or 3 teams or that the Lions will have a plan A, B or C they are going to get beaten up and will loose all 3 tests matches.

chupacabra

Amabokke wrote: »

It's not going to matter if there is players to cover 1, 2 or 3 teams or that the Lions will have a plan A, B or C they are going to get beaten up and will loose all 3 tests matches.

Im with you there, been a massive bokke supporter since 1995 but i would still enjoy a Lions win, its about time we won a tour again. Also have to say im looking forward to the mid-week game against the Emerging boks, some amazing young talent being bred down there at the moment.

If only i wasnt a poor student, i would be down there faster than you can say 'snuuk poes'

stephen_n

1.Sheridan
2.Mears
3.A Jones
4.A-W Jones
5.O'Connell
6.Ferris
7.Martin Williams
8.Heaslip
9.Phillips
10.Jones
11.Williams
12.Shanklin
13.O'Driscoll
14.Kearney
15.Lee byrne

Don't know why everyone seems to think Blair will get the nod ahead of Phillips would make far more sense to pick Phillips as he has an all round game and won't be roughed up by the SA back row. Think Kearney would get on the wing ahead of Fitzgerald and Shanklin has been far better than Roberts in the 6N so far IMO and could easily do a job at inside centre!

Amabokke

stephen_n wrote: »

more sense to pick Phillips as he has an all round game and won't be roughed up by the SA back row. Think Kearney would get on the wing ahead of Fitzgerald and Shanklin has been far better than Roberts in the 6N so far IMO and could easily do a job at inside centre

Little Phillips is going to receive a big and valuable lesson from the mighty boks and will be send back home a tougher rugby player.

It's never an easy job against the powerfull boks and against de Villiers it will be no contest.

chupacabra

Amabokke wrote: »

Little Phillips is going to receive a big and valuable lesson from the mighty boks and will be send back home a tougher rugby player.

Hah, Little. Mike Phillips is 6ft 3 and 16 st, he is easily one of the bigger, stronger scrum halves in the northern heimisphere, unless you count Bergamasco :pac:

Amabokke

Amabokke wrote: »

stephen_n wrote: »

Little Phillips is going to receive a big and valuable lesson from the mighty boks and will be send back home a tougher rugby player.
It's never an easy job against the powerfull boks and against de Villiers it will be no contest.

I doubt it,hes a beast.
What if we look at the positives the Lions have over the boks.

Bod will make ****e of Jacobs
Kearney and Byrne are better fullbacks than anything in SA.
If Henson is on form he will be equal to Devilliers or at least thwart him.
2nd row pairing is about even imo.
Williams has been better than the overrated Habana for a good while.

In the front row if Mujati or the beast play,which no doubt they will Euan Murray will teach one of them a lesson and Vickery or whosever else can hold the other side.

I Look at SA and I see a fierce back row,unbelievable front row,except their 2 best props are over here and wont play.

The rest of the team dont have much in it imo.
I dont think we will win but I think we have a better chance than some credit.


I love the way SA is so cocky about its rugby.They win a wc and then come last in the tri nations.They are the worst team in the SH imo and they are the team we have the best chance of beating.

The biggest advantage they will have is their physicality and the humidity over there,they are naturally fitter.
I would argue the Lions have better backs available.

chupacabra

Lailah Helpless Mumps wrote: »

Kearney and Byrne are better fullbacks than anything in SA.

No, Stefan Terblanche in my opinion is equally as talented as Byrne and Kearney. Fantastic under a high ball, superb kicking out of hand, attacks every opportunity he can get, pace to burn (tho not as much as he used to have), silky handling, his defense has been superb and he is a big leader on the field too........ too bad he will never be picked by De Villiers because he is "too old". But he was easily the best full back in south africa last season.

Lailah Helpless Mumps wrote: »

Williams has been better than the overrated Habana for a good while.

I agree 100%, i never bought into the Habana hype, he is a glorified speed runner, and has been almost anonymous since the world cup and his good run of form in the 2007 currie cup/s14.

chupacabra

chupacabra wrote: »

No, Stefan Terblanche in my opinion is equally as talented as Byrne and Kearney. Fantastic under a high ball, superb kicking out of hand, attacks every opportunity he can get, pace to burn (tho not as much as he used to have), silky handling, his defense has been superb and he is a big leader on the field too........ too bad he will never be picked by De Villiers because he is "too old". But he was easily the best full back in south africa last season.

I still think both are better,although I wont admit to having watched him too much this year but I try to watch as much s14 as I can.

I would also say he wont be picked because he is white not that he is too old.

Conrad jantjes wont know what hit him because whatever about Terblanche,the others 2 **** on jantjes.


On some SA sites they reckon,James,Van DerLinde and Botha will all come back to play for them during the series,with at least 2 likely to start.I wonder if they will?

chupacabra

Lailah Helpless Mumps wrote: »

On some SA sites they reckon,James,Van DerLinde and Botha will all come back to play for them during the series,with at least 2 likely to start.I wonder if they will?

Well, James is probably their best option at 10 alright, ive been watching Ruan Pienaar for a long time and i was always impressed with his versatility but he is simply useless under pressure. But i cant see Botha or even V.D. Linde coming back, again its a color issue, they have a potential all black (pardon the pun) front row in Beast, Ralapele and Mujati, and im sure the powers that be will want to see that happen.

Bounty Hunter

Does nobody think big John Hayes has a chance? I havent seen the Bull make anyones lineups yet

chupacabra

He might travel but realistically he is not a very good prop.
He has done an excellent job for Ireland but he is 36 so will offer little in the loose and he wont do any damage in the scrum but can stabalise it.

He may travel but there is no chance of him making the 15.

chupacabra wrote: »

Well, James is probably their best option at 10 alright, ive been watching Ruan Pienaar for a long time and i was always impressed with his versatility but he is simply useless under pressure. But i cant see Botha or even V.D. Linde coming back, again its a color issue, they have a potential all black (pardon the pun) front row in Beast, Ralapele and Mujati, and im sure the powers that be will want to see that happen.

That front row would get mashed though.Would they risk it?
The ****ers will probably take CJ fresh after recovering from injury and send him back broken

Amabokke

Lailah Helpless Mumps wrote: »

Amabokke wrote: »

I doubt it,hes a beast.
What if we look at the positives the Lions have over the boks.

Bod will make ****e of Jacobs
Kearney and Byrne are better fullbacks than anything in SA.
If Henson is on form he will be equal to Devilliers or at least thwart him.
2nd row pairing is about even imo.
Williams has been better than the overrated Habana for a good while.

In the front row if Mujati or the beast play,which no doubt they will Euan Murray will teach one of them a lesson and Vickery or whosever else can hold the other side.

I Look at SA and I see a fierce back row,unbelievable front row,except their 2 best props are over here and wont play.

The rest of the team dont have much in it imo.
I dont think we will win but I think we have a better chance than some credit.


I love the way SA is so cocky about its rugby.They win a wc and then come last in the tri nations.They are the worst team in the SH imo and they are the team we have the best chance of beating.

The biggest advantage they will have is their physicality and the humidity over there,they are naturally fitter.
I would argue the Lions have better backs available.

In South Africa the boks are the meanest, toughest most dangerous team in the world. With pure pace, skill and physicality the Lions will enjoy the rugby education programmes we have prepared for them

We took a break during the 3N as to let our counterparts in Aus and NZ feel that they are worthing of something too and so the gap between North and South stay the way it is.

Everyone wants to beat the boks in SA or abroad as we are the team to beat BUT England got hammered twice before the WC in SA and then Wales got hammered twice - Both Scotland and Ireland lost both their test matches in SA the last time. So, referring to history I can see your point.

The rest of the team dont have much in it imo.
I dont think we will win

The boks don't have much but will still win it says you! That shows you know your rugby son and I salute you for it.

telemachus

Amabokke wrote: »

We took a break during the 3N as to let our counterparts in Aus and NZ feel that they are worthing of something too and so the gap between North and South stay the way it is.

Wow, so not only is the South African team made up of fire breathing super men the likes of which the rugby world has never seen before, but they are kind empathetic sensitive little flowers who throw matches just to make their neighbours feel good about themselves, I am reminded of Ace Rimmer .

Amabokke

telemachus wrote: »

Wow, so not only is the South African team made up of fire breathing super men the likes of which the rugby world has never seen before, but they are kind empathetic sensitive little flowers who throw matches just to make their neighbours feel good about themselves, I am reminded of Ace Rimmer .

Absolutely! Who did you support in WC final? England? If Eng or Wales play against a SH team who would you support, your neighbours of course.

Nothing wrong with big tough rugby players showing a bit of sensitivity and care. Girls like these like it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4SerEqk4sc

telemachus

I supported England, being English, but I think you don't quite get the England/Ireland "neighbours" dynamic , it is a sad and lonely existance supporting the England rugby team in Ireland . I watched all the England and Ireland world cup matches in the pub, and behind the Irish matches the games that had the place fullest were the English games where everyone became a "bokk/samoan/french" supporter for the night (and I cheered in my head ) .

Darlie

Most genuine irish rugby fans supported England in both the 03 and 07 wc finals. Cetainly in 03 it was great to see a NH team finally do it. Not as much support maybe in 07, but that was due to the style of play as much as anything else. You only need to look at Croke Park 07 to see how the genuine irish fans feel about their neighbours, not a sound during God Save The Queen. Can you imagine the same for a soccer match????

Back to the Lions - I'd have John Hayes in any team over Andrew Sheridan. Not saying I'd have Hayes in my test team. But see Sheridan mentioned in a lot of selections, just can't fathom why really.

telemachus

Oh i'm not saying there was any particular nastiness in it, it doesn't bother me at all and I fully realise i'd be much more likely to suddenly and unpleasantly die walking around in an English football shirt rather than a rugby shirt, but I can tell you any pub I was in during the last world cup was to a man (unless there were fellow undercover English supporters ) supporting the opposition.

The Andrew Sheridan choice is an odd one, everyone on here seems to stick him in their Lions team, but even back in England it's fairly well recognised he hasn't shown what he has done on occasion on anywhere near a regular basis, and there are plenty of questions about his place even on the England team.

Darlie

telemachus wrote: »

but I can tell you any pub I was in during the last world cup was to a man (unless there were fellow undercover English supporters ) supporting the opposition.

I'd then have to question your choice of hostelries!!

Noopti

Darlie wrote: »

I'd then have to question your choice of hostelries!!

Really? I can't think of many Irish pubs during the 2007 WC that would have a majority of Irish people cheering England! That's just the way it is. At least it is (for the most part) harmless.

Amabokke

Amabokke wrote: »

We took a break during the 3N as to let our counterparts in Aus and NZ feel that they are worthing of something too and so the gap between North and South stay the way it is.

Everyone wants to beat the boks in SA or abroad as we are the team to beat

No,you just got hammered after you won a wc without meeting any of the big boys.

I supported SA in the final but thats when I liked SA before i got to know what SA fans are actually like.

Also your not the team to beat,A victory over NZ means more to every NH rugby supporter than a victory over the boks.

Who wants to beat the 2nd best team in the world over the best,a victory over the best team obviously means more.

Amabokke

Lailah Helpless Mumps wrote: »

No,you just got hammered after you won a wc without meeting any of the big boys.

I supported SA in the final but thats when I liked SA before i got to know what SA fans are actually like.

Also your not the team to beat,A victory over NZ means more to every NH rugby supporter than a victory over the boks.

Who wants to beat the 2nd best team in the world over the best,a victory over the best team obviously means more.

Actually, we dish out the hammerings - Aus can tell you all about it.

SA fans have always been passionated, opiniated and supportive of the boks, if you only found that out now well then good luck to find a team with supporters who will be submissive, gentle, kind then good luck!

No, NZ is not the team to beat because no one can touch them except the boks and occasional the Aussies. Everyone wants to beat the boks because you might think that's the best chance you gonna get them, which you won't

SA is the best team as we have the WC trophy and temp in second position on world rankings, hardly something to cry over.

Amabokke

Amabokke wrote: »

Actually, we dish out the hammerings - Aus can tell you all about it.

What happened in cape town and Durban?

If you had a poll on this site or any other NH site,every fan would say they would prefer to beat the Blacks than the Boks.Stop deluding yourself that your the team everyone wants to beat.

Amabokke

Lailah Helpless Mumps wrote: »

What happened in cape town and Durban?

If you had a poll on this site or any other NH site,every fan would say they would prefer to beat the Blacks than the Boks.Stop deluding yourself that your the team everyone wants to beat.

We lost in Cape Town to NZ and lost in Durbs to Aus.

No poll. You first mentioned that NZ is the team to beat so you provide the poll first.

Your first language is english and you already contradict yourself. Prefer to beat Blacks than the boks. Your team (boks) everyone wants to beat? I take it you mean NH wants to beat the ABs more than the boks?? Apart from giving an english lesson the NH ALL believe they have a better chance to beat the boks than NZ, read the newspapers - another lesson.

chupacabra

South Africa will never be no. 1 as long as their government has their finger in areas it shouldnt and the politically motivated racism and favouratism against the white players keeps getting worse. Remember that if the government got their way and if Nelson Mandela didnt intervene we wouldnt even be calling them the Springboks now.

Then there's Luke Watson, i dont even want to get into this here, needless to say check his wikipedia page if you are unaware of his outrageous racist bull****.
South Africa has major problems, and alot of these problems are spilling into the rugby side, so please dont come in here and blindly profess that the boks are the best ever, wont be beat and throw games because they are sympathetic, i know you are probably only joking and i can take a joke, but mindless fanboyism without backing yourself up annoys me.

sock puppet

Amabokke wrote: »

We lost in Cape Town to NZ and lost in Durbs to Aus.

No poll. You first mentioned that NZ is the team to beat so you provide the poll first.

Your first language is english and you already contradict yourself. Prefer to beat Blacks than the boks. Your team (boks) everyone wants to beat? I take it you mean NH wants to beat the ABs more than the boks?? Apart from giving an english lesson the NH ALL believe they have a better chance to beat the boks than NZ, read the newspapers - another lesson.

And they'd be right. Still though it must hurt for you knowing that the mighty boks have lost to minnows such as us and Scotland. I mean New Zealand walked all over every team here when they came up in the AIs. I hear they did well enough in some other tournament earlier in the year too.

Amabokke

chupacabra wrote: »

South Africa will never be no. 1 as long as their government has their finger in areas it shouldnt and the politically motivated racism and favouratism against the white players keeps getting worse. Remember that if the government got their way and if Nelson Mandela didnt intervene we wouldnt even be calling them the Springboks now.

Then there's Luke Watson, i dont even want to get into this here, needless to say check his wikipedia page if you are unaware of his outrageous racist bull****.
South Africa has major problems, and alot of these problems are spilling into the rugby side, so please dont come in here and blindly profess that the boks are the best ever, wont be beat and throw games because they are sympathetic, i know you are probably only joking and i can take a joke, but mindless fanboyism without backing yourself up annoys me.

First of all, not many South Africans liked PDV after what Jake White achieved but have learned to accept him over the past year (especially after we hammered Aus, Wales and England). Maybe a year ago we would've suggested that the boks are losing their competitiveness because of racial motives and government interference. But now, who cares what the government thinks or says because as long as PDV is in charge the government will not interfere. PDV got it wrong in the first couple of matches (especiall the 3N) but thanks to the wisemen he was surrounded by things improved. We were awfull against Scotland and Wales in Nov and should've lost but that's what makes top teams win even when playing bad. PDV selected some coloured/black players until now and as a white supporter I would not change that - not even Adi Jacobs (compared to Jaques Fourie) Fourie still playing well will get his chance again. The only black player I don't think should be there is Mujati. Beast is an absolute animal and the crowd loves him - everytime he touches the ball you hear "Beeeaaasstttt". But then again I don't think Luke Watson (he is white) should be there. Luke is a controversial player who needs some ketchup for the chip on his shoulder). Even PDV (who is coloured) could not select him again after his "I wanted to puke on springbok shirt" - and government will not touch PDV.

Nelson got involved with the Springbok emblem change and had nothing to do with the selection issues we had.

I actually do know what I'm talking about and would have no problem in educating others around me.

Amabokke

sock puppet wrote: »

And they'd be right. Still though it must hurt for you knowing that the mighty boks have lost to minnows such as us and Scotland. I mean New Zealand walked all over every team here when they came up in the AIs. I hear they did well enough in some other tournament earlier in the year too.

Pardon my french young me but please do speak in a way that I can understand otherwise no point in commenting on my posts.

Why hurt? Last time we lost to Scotland was in 2002 and against Ireland 2006 thanks to ignorant comments from Jake White and Bob Skinstad that got the Irish fired up!

NZ did not walk over every team. Teams let NZ look good because they were too scared to stand up to the men in black. Why? I don't know because they are no different to the mighty boks. NZ is actually getting weaker by the year because of their AB players moving to EU. By 2011 they will fear the mighty boks and won't be able to do anything about it.

Stick_man

The boks will be ferocious up front but behind the scrum they are far from great, It will be interesting to see who they go with at fly-half and while De Villers is a class act they are not like the Al Blacks who can cut you open at will. My test team at the moment, this will probably bear little resemblence to the side that is eventually picked. The six nations decide who travels the warm-up game will decide the test team.
1.Jenkins
2.Flannery
3.Murray
4.A W Jones
5.O Connell (c)
6.Ferris
7.M Williams
8.R Jones
9.Blair
10.Hook
11.S Williams
12.Roberts
13.O Driscoll
14.Lewsey
15.Byrne

Amabokke

Stick_man wrote: »

The boks will be ferocious up front but behind the scrum they are far from great, It will be interesting to see who they go with at fly-half and while De Villers is a class act they are not like the Al Blacks who can cut you open at will.

De Villiers is no class act, he is the best in his position. Not like the ABs, that's right because Nonu and Smith are really can openers :rolleyes:

Stick_man

Amabokke wrote: »

De Villiers is no class act, he is the best in his position. Not like the ABs, that's right because Nonu and Smith are really can openers :rolleyes:

What exactly is your point? De Villiers is no class act but the best in his position I was referring to their whole back-line Carter,Muliana,Sivavatu, are quite creative. Nonu is brutally effective at what he does while Smith isnt exactly a poor player.

Amabokke

Amabokke wrote: »

We lost in Cape Town to NZ and lost in Durbs to Aus.

No poll. You first mentioned that NZ is the team to beat so you provide the poll first.

Your first language is english and you already contradict yourself. Prefer to beat Blacks than the boks. Your team (boks) everyone wants to beat? I take it you mean NH wants to beat the ABs more than the boks?? Apart from giving an english lesson the NH ALL believe they have a better chance to beat the boks than NZ, read the newspapers - another lesson.

I think its you that needs the English lesson.Your post doesnt make any sense.

I said that every NH fan would prefer to beat the Blacks (new zealand) than the Boks (SA) which is correct and a poll would prove this.

What are you trying to say?
What I wrote is perfectly correct.

twinytwo

1.Jenkins
2.Flannery
3.Murray
4.A W Jones
5.O Connell
6.Ferris
7.Wallace
8.Heaslip
9.Blair
10.Jones
11.S Williams
12.Tait
13.O Driscoll
14.Halfpenny
15.Kearney

twinytwo

Stick_man wrote: »

The boks will be ferocious up front but behind the scrum they are far from great, It will be interesting to see who they go with at fly-half and while De Villers is a class act they are not like the Al Blacks who can cut you open at will. My test team at the moment, this will probably bear little resemblence to the side that is eventually picked. The six nations decide who travels the warm-up game will decide the test team.
1.Jenkins
2.Flannery
3.Murray
4.A W Jones
5.O Connell (c)
6.Ferris
7.M Williams
8.R Jones
9.Blair
10.Hook
11.S Williams
12.Roberts
13.O Driscoll
14.Lewsey
15.Byrne

:eek: wont make it anywhere near the starting 15