Religious People

Myxomatosis

I had to let a maintenance guy into our apartment today and into a roommates room.

The room mate has stuff moved into the room for a few months but hasn't even spent a night here yet I don't think.

Anyway, first time I've seen inside the room and he has all these religious pictures set up on the desk, like a little shrine, or praying spot.

I honestly feel slightly uneasy about the prospect of living with this guy and him being so religious delusional.

How could you place any trust in a person who obviously has such little intelligence that he actually prays to "God"?

BTW this is not a thread about Religion, it's about a fundamental mistrust I have in religious people.

galwayrush

If he minds his own business, he can practice any religion he wants.
Religion, or non religion should be a private thing.

ottostreet

Leave him to it. I personally think religion is stupid and causes more problems than it cures. But as long as it doesnt personally affect you, why let it bother you?

Cunny-Funt

galwayrush wrote: »

should be a private thing.

Should be, it never is though.

Its only a matter of time before the brainwashing begins. Don't let him near your food!!!

Biggins

I'm not a religious person but if I came across one and he/she was a decent honest person who truly believed in trying more so to stick to a non-stealing, offending, etc religious life or living by a clean moral code - as long as they are not rubbing it in my face, I would have no problem with them.

Would you prefer a shifty junkie/drunk character instead?

Just hide your Scientology books!

trout

Does your roomie have any problem with you performing marriage ceremonies on pigeons in the privacy of your own room ?

Thought not.

So long as they are not carrying out any ritual slaughter of small animals ... I wouldn't even hold an opinion.

Saibh

Would you like it if they went into your room and they decided from what they saw in your room to not trust you?

Gummy Panda

Aslong as he doesn't use your blood for the sacrifices to the blood god, you should be okay

ps. If he offers you a drink, DONT ACCEPT IT!

Cunny-Funt

Biggins wrote: »

Just hide your Scientology books!

But wouldn't it be the guy with the shrine who would more likely have such books?

Or did you mean Science books?

Myxomatosis

Leave him to it?

Yeah right. It's ***** like this that climb clock towers with a rifle in hand.

I'm going to take him out before it's too late.

Cunny-Funt

Take him out?

To the GAY BAR, gay bar, gay bar.

pierrot

I'm with the OP. I'm not necessarily a militant atheist, but i'd find it difficult to take seriously somebody who was religious, especially with something serious.

Senna

Myxomatosis wrote: »

I'm going to take him out before it's too late.

Yeah dinner and a movie would be best, but as he's religious dont be expecting to get inside his pants on the first date.

The guy

Myxomatosis wrote: »

BTW this is not a thread about Religion, it's about a fundamental mistrust I have in religious people.

It's your problem OP, what he believes is his own business.

Cunny-Funt

If religion was kept as a personal thing and not inflicted apon others then you'd have a point. Pity thats not the case.

Kids are still brought up to believe in religions instead of being given the choice at 18 or whatever.

yellowcurl

As long as they don't try to force their own beliefs upon me, i have no problem with what other people believe.

I also have a current flatmate who is extremely religious, she's always trying to find ways to make the rest of us feel guilty for not being 'holy' or whatever. Not cool! lol

towel401

wtf is it with the religion-bashing in this place?

its like having everyone agree with you in A&A isn't good enough for these anti-religous wackos so they come over to here to ruin this perfectly good forum with their anti-religous tripe. rly i couldn't give 2 ****s about you or your room mate so gtfo

Myxomatosis wrote: »

so religious delusional.

What's the matter? you just finished reading 'the god delusion' and think you have something to tell the rest of us?

Biggins

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

...Kids are still brought up to believe in religions instead of being given the choice at 18 or whatever.

Except for mine but thats another story.
(The short version: wife and I refuse to force them into something they don't have a say in when born or now. When they are older, they can chose with a better open educated mind, what route to take for themselves)

pierrot

yellowcurl wrote: »

As long as they don't try to force their own beliefs upon me, i have no problem with what other people believe.

I take a different stance. If somebody's shoelace was undone, wouldn't you tell them so?

towel401

pierrot wrote: »

I take a different stance. If somebody's shoelace was undone, wouldn't you tell them so?

no really I wouldn't give a crap.

pierrot

towel401 wrote: »

no really I wouldn't give a crap.

yeah, actually, on second thoughts i wouldn't. In fact, i'd probably walk on it to trip them up...

towel401

pierrot wrote: »

yeah, actually, on second thoughts i wouldn't. In fact, i'd probably walk on it to trip them up...

thats more like it

yellowcurl

Biggins wrote: »

Except for mine but thats another story.
(The short version: wife and I refuse to force them into something they don't have a say in when born or now. When they are older, they can chose with a better open educated mind, what route to take for themselves)

That's a really good idea. But what happens in school when they're having religious class or prayer time or whatever else happened like that in primary school that i can't remember!

Cunny-Funt

yellowcurl wrote: »

As long as they don't try to force their own beliefs upon me, i have no problem with what other people believe.

But they always do.

yellowcurl wrote: »

I also have a current flatmate who is extremely religious, she's always trying to find ways to make the rest of us feel guilty for not being 'holy' or whatever. Not cool! lol

See!

towel401 wrote: »

wtf is it with the religion-bashing in this place?

its like having everyone agree with you in A&A isn't good enough for these anti-religous wackos

lol @ the irony.

Biggins wrote: »

Except for mine but thats another story.
(The short version: wife and I refuse to force them into something they don't have a say in when born or now. When they are older, they can chose with a better open educated mind, what route to take for themselves)

Ah but you see Biggins that's cause you are an intelligent guy who believes in free will.:cool:

Religious people know most kids would never in the right mind choose to be such a person if they had an educated and intelligent choice, so they are trained into being such a person from an early age in the hopes they will feel to guilty to question stuff.

pierrot

by then our schools will be secular, no?

Cunny-Funt

I'd be optimistic enough to hope Ireland will be sufficiently enlightened by then.

pierrot

Otherwise we can emigrate and raise our children in the newly formed Dawkinstan!

Cunny-Funt

Nah just somewhere where everyone is rational.

Rb

towel401 wrote: »

anti-religous wackos

Yes, because not believing in something that there's absolutely no evidence of is the choice of the insane :rolleyes:

towel401 wrote:

so they come over to here to ruin this perfectly good forum with their anti-religous tripe.

Anti-religious tripe? Sorry buddy, the non-religious or even anti-religious aren't the ones making up stories about magical men so you may want to rethink your stance on what you define as "tripe".

No need to get so worked up about it either.

I somewhat agree OP, I'd be a little uneasy living with a devout Christian but if they were keeping it to themselves, unlike the majority, then I suppose there wouldn't be a problem.

I would never live with a muslim or scientologist though, regardless of the strength of their faith.

yellowcurl

Rb wrote: »

I would never live with a muslim or scientologist though, regardless of the strength of their faith.

What makes you say that? Like was it a bad personal experience or just ideas?

Biggins

yellowcurl wrote: »

That's a really good idea. But what happens in school when they're having religious class or prayer time or whatever else happened like that in primary school that i can't remember!

Children will be attending non-religious school. As such they gave opt-in/opt-out classes and other options to chose from.

See here: http://www.educatetogether.ie/

Educate Together is the representative organisation of the Educate Together schools and associations throughout the Republic of Ireland. It owes its origins to the movement to establish new multi-denominational primary schools, which emerged in the late 1970s and early 1980s. By 1984, when Educate Together was established, there were three schools and the organisation acted as their co-ordinating body. Since then the movement has grown considerably.

Today there are 56 schools, 26 of which are in the greater Dublin area. The organisation became a company limited by guarantee in 1998 and has charitable status. It has a small national office which provides representative and support services to existing schools and Start Up groups. The Directors and members of the company work in a voluntary capacity.

Educate Together aims to meet a growing need in Irish society for schools that recognise the developing diversity of Irish life and the modern need for democratic management structures. In particular, Educate Together guarantees children and parents of all faiths and none equal respect in the operation and governing of education.

pierrot

They wake you up early, thats why.

yellowcurl

Biggins wrote: »

Children will be attending non-religious school.

See here: http://www.educatetogether.ie/

That's brilliant! I wish i'd gone to a non-denominational school when i was growing up. Some of the nuns there were so harsh that my mom used to let me have every 3rd friday off if i went to school the rest of the time because i really didn't want to go in.

Cunny-Funt

yellowcurl wrote: »

What makes you say that? Like was it a bad personal experience or just ideas?

Did you not read the thread on the 75 year old women getting lashings?

yellowcurl

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

Did you not read the thread on the 75 year old women getting lashings?

Lol sorry no, haven't gotten a chance to read some of the newer stuff yet. Although, i don't see how one case can skew your opinion of a whole religion? I know there are some extreme muslim people out there, but there are also others who go about their day to day lives just like you and I.

Zaph

If he tries to convert you, you have an issue that needs dealing with. If he doesn't, well then it's none of your feckin' business what he does in his room/spare time. And I'm speaking as a long-term atheist who holds fundamentalist atheists in as much contempt as I do religious people.

Rb

yellowcurl wrote: »

Lol sorry no, haven't gotten a chance to read some of the newer stuff yet. Although, i don't see how one case can skew your opinion of a whole religion? I know there are some extreme muslim people out there, but there are also others who go about their day to day lives just like you and I.

Yeah, until there is a public protest to attend and they draw up signs saying "Death to all juice"* and take to the streets.

I would love to see Islam outlawed in the west of Europe & USA.


*Is referring to a sign seen in New York during an anti-Israel protest, laughed at at first but then found to be a smart way to dodge the law surrounding incitement of hatred/disturbing the peace so they couldn't be arrested.

This is NYC we're talking about, and to see such backwards, militant Muslims active there is worrying.

yellowcurl

Rb wrote: »

This is NYC we're talking about, and to see such backwards, militant Muslims active there is worrying.

God i do agree, i suppose there will always be a number of militants in NYC as it's a huge city it's easy for them to fade into the background until they're ready to do their worst.

Rb

yellowcurl wrote: »

God i do agree, i suppose there will always be a number of militants in NYC as it's a huge city it's easy for them to fade into the background until they're ready to do their worst.

Exactly, and don't forget the 7/7 tube/bus bombings in the UK.

Their mere presence in a country is a threat, unlike any other mainstream religion. It shouldn't be tolerated nor welcomed and as I said above, hopefully one day in the near future we will see it outlawed.

jane86

You don't trust religious people. Why has something happened with a religious person in your past? Get some counselling then.

If your problem is just that he is practicing his religion then cop on. It doesn't sound like he has been forcing his beliefs on you so get over it. You're being overly judgemental.

yellowcurl

Rb wrote: »

Exactly, and don't forget the 7/7 tube/bus bombings in the UK.

Their mere presence in a country is a threat, unlike any other mainstream religion. It shouldn't be tolerated nor welcomed and as I said above, hopefully one day in the near future we will see it outlawed.

I'll never forget the 7/7 bombings for various reasons, but i still have Muslim friends who are the complete opposite of militant and will continue to stick by them.

Rb

yellowcurl wrote: »

I'll never forget the 7/7 bombings for various reasons, but i still have Muslim friends who are the complete opposite of militant and will continue to stick by them.

Be extra careful if you're around them whilst they're armed with knives though, we all know they're born with the unnatural ability to get even the bluntest of blades through an infidels neck, sure just ask the Bigleys

jill_valentine

If I remember right, the Bigleys don't take kindly to being exploited for comedy points, Rb.

Particularly when it's not even good comedy.

raah!

My lordy god (suck on that religious terminology) , the way you people talk! As if adopting the trendiest ideologies for middle class teenagers makes you intellectually superior to those who don't!

It would be fine if you said "oh I arrived at this through so and so logical sequences", but to apply some of the same reasoning used in this very thread Most people don't. Most are idiot teenagers etc. who are following something, or thinking what they are told. Most religious people do the same. Most people do it.

So don't think that being part of one side makes you intelligent, what you say and act makes you intelligent. Until then we'll assume you're in the same class of raving idiots that most people who go about pushing ideologies they didn't form on other people are in.

Rb

jill_valentine wrote: »

If I remember right, the Bigleys don't take kindly to being exploited for comedy points, Rb.

Particularly when it's not even good comedy.

Oh I know, Islam is srs business.

pierrot

When did this change from a light hearted dig at religion in general to a muslim bashing thread. It's After Hours folks, not Stormfront!!!

seanybiker

whatever makes your mate happy is his business none of yours. Whats he gonna do pray you to death.
Grow up.

04KY

Rb wrote: »

I somewhat agree OP, I'd be a little uneasy living with a devout Christian but if they were keeping it to themselves, unlike the majority, then I suppose there wouldn't be a problem.

Unlike the majority? Seriously? You might have the odd nutjob shouting bible verses in the street but in general I find most Christians to keep it to themselves.

Here on boards, I remember very very few religious threads outside Christianity forum, yet there are loads of anti-religion threads in After Hours. There's a place for them, A & A. It's almost like Atheists can't keep it to themselves.

RichTea

Myxomatosis wrote: »

How could you place any trust in a person who obviously has such little intelligence that he actually prays to "God"?

This is one problem I have with atheists (I'm one myself to be honest). What makes someone who is religious have 'such little intelligence'? Intelligence has nothing to do with religious outlook. I've known plenty of high IQ, incredibly intelligent people who believe. What you've just said there just sounds unbelievably ignorant and crass.

Wagon

RichTea wrote: »

This is one problem I have with atheists (I'm one myself to be honest). What makes someone who is religious have 'such little intelligence'? Intelligence has nothing to do with religious outlook. I've known plenty of high IQ, incredibly intelligent people who believe. What you've just said there just sounds unbelievably ignorant and crass.

Have to agree with this. I had religion myself and gave it up cos it just seemed bollix. But i certainly don't look down on those that practice it. High IQ's don't define intellegence either. I know some people with big IQ's and they act like complete retards

OP, has he got an xbox 360? See if he has an Xbox 360. If he doesn't ask him if you both want to go halves on an Xbox 360 and see what he says. If it's a "no, it's the work of the devil" then you got a problem. If he says "yes" and goes out and buys Pro Evo, Mercenaries and Far Cry 2 then you'll get along just fine

ScumLord

Some people have said Religion should be private and while I can see why you'd think that it really goes against the whole point of religion. Religion was supposed to be about coming together as a group. People who lock themselfs away ultimately seem to go crazy and start making up their own rules.

I'm not at all against religion. I think it has a purpose and I don't think it has to be associated with ancient pieces of text I don't see why it can't be progressive and even science based. It is great at highlighting the fact that people are generally good and have brought allot of great things into the world. And it's always been asking the same questions as science.