Architectural Technicians do not exist in France and many other countries

Chris Arch

sydthebeat wrote: »

Your opinion,...... but again, not one held by the Irish and UK third Level Educational systems, Uk and Irish Architectural Representative Bodies or the Irish and UK Architectural profession as a whole.

I think that you are deliberately trying to damage Irish and British architects reputation by pretending that they do not have the skills that you have...

Chris Arch

sinnerboy wrote: »

Structural Engineers , Quantity Surveyors , M+E Engineers , Fire Safety Consultants , Planning Consultants , and Architectural Technicians - all work closely with the Architect

The Architect is often expected to be many things - but the built environment is too complex for one profession alone.

The Architectural Technician is just one reflection of this reality .

Maybe this is not the perception in France . But it is here .

OP - The smartest thing you have said was a couple of posts back when you signaled an end to this discussion .

Many architects are acting as planning consultants, Fire safety consultants, Project Managers or Health & Safety Consultant... As Many of them, do like I do the technician work...

muffler

Chris Arch wrote: »

Semantic/language/semiotics are important... A large part of architecture is about communication... If you transmit the wrong message because of a wrong definition, word or sign, you get into trouble.

You're supposed to be an architect ffs not a hostage negotiator.

Chris Arch wrote: »

There is no point to continue this conversation further.

First sensible thing you've said in this thread.

Chris Arch

muffler wrote: »

You're supposed to be an architect ffs not a hostage negotiator.


First sensible thing you've said in this thread.

well, why are you saying that? strange for a moderator isn.t it? If you are not interested with my thread go to another one...

Thank you...

archtech

Chris Arch wrote: »

I think that you are deliberately trying to damage Irish and British architects reputation by pretending that they do not have the skills that you have...

Ask any building contractor when a serious problem arises on site who they would prefer see.... the architect or the architectural technician/technologist. 9 times out of 10 it will be the latter.

archtech

Chris Arch wrote: »

well, why are you saying that? strange for a moderator isn.t it? If you are not interested with my thread go to another one...

Thank you...

the only thing you have succeeded doing is uniting the ATs here

armchairninja

Chris Arch wrote: »

Many architects are acting as planning consultants, Fire safety consultants, Project Managers or Health & Safety Consultant... As Many of them, do like I do the technician work...

As are many technicians (or technologists, just to add to your apparent confusion), engineers, and leaving cert students, because they have done the appropriate course to allow them to practice as such, you can't just arrive at a door and say "hey, look at me, I'm an Architect, so let me be your project manager" - it doesnt work like that as I'm sure you know!
Without sounding blunt, your standard of technical work, would not be up to the same scratch as that of a qualified technician, it may be good enough to pass, but if you had a trained individual there to do the work for you:
1) you, as the architect, could focus more on the design
2) the technician would do it quicker, and nearly certainly better

Also, I am a firm believer that any architect who concerns themselves too much with the technical side tends to produce standard design boxes, whereas the really good ones, realise that with the right team of technical people behind them, who they trust to be good at they're job, anything can be built, an example being the Guggenheim in Bilbao, iirc they had to develop a new system of CAD to design the steelwork for that!

Chris Arch

archtech wrote: »

Ask any building contractor when a serious problem arises on site who they would prefer see.... the architect or the architectural technician/technologist. 9 times out of 10 it will be the latter.

If the architect has not been involved with the cosntruction design and pecifications what is the point to meet him on site?

But anyway... An architect will not carry out the design by himself... Archiecture is a team work... I just think that it is sad that technic and technoloy was extracted from the architect's work... I do not like this way of doing... But I aggree that in large development it is sometimes necessary to do so...

Chris Arch

armchairninja wrote: »

Also, I am a firm believer that any architect who concerns themselves too much with the technical side tends to produce standard design boxes,

Maybe the bad ones... One of my favourite building is the Centre Pompidou in Paris, by Rogers/Piano and Prouve was the structural engineer... How do you dissociate technology from archiecture in this building...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pompidou_center.jpg

armchairninja

Chris Arch wrote: »

How do you dissociate technology from archiecture in this building...

You don't, you trust that your technologist has sufficient training to interperet your design and arrive at a workable solution, and you work with him/her, instead of talking down to him/her, as you said, its a team game...

Chris Arch

archtech wrote: »

the only thing you have succeeded doing is uniting the ATs here

I wish I was able to make myself understood with regard to this technical problem...

Chris Arch

armchairninja wrote: »

You don't

First time I hear it today...

Thank you...

Chris Arch

armchairninja wrote: »

You don't, you trust that your technologist has sufficient training to interperet your design and arrive at a workable solution, and you work with him/her, instead of talking down to him/her, as you said, its a team game...

I think it is the same for any other building... the form shall be linked to the materials and technologies even if the aesthetics does not reflect this idea...

pseudo-tech

Chris Arch wrote: »

I wish I was able to make myself understood with regard to this technical problem...

You will not be able to "make myself understood with regard to this technical problem" because there is no problem. The only problem is you not understanding the way Architecture and Construction is approached in this Country and you say you are in private practice here since 2000. It looks like you may have too much time on your hands!

sinnerboy

Chris Arch wrote: »

Maybe the bad ones... One of my favourite building is the Centre Pompidou in Paris, by Rogers/Piano and Prouve was the structural engineer... How do you dissociate technology from archiecture in this building...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pompidou_center.jpg

The same as with many other buildings - Architects , Engineers , M+E Consultants - and ............. Architectural Technicians will have worked together on this building - even if the term Architectural Technician does not exist in France . The function does .

I think you have been indulged enough here Mon Ami . I begin to doubt that even you believe there is anything to talk about anymore ( not that there was in the first place .

All that remains is the title of your thread - which I don't believe anyway

Adieu

muffler

Chris Arch wrote: »

well, why are you saying that? strange for a moderator isn.t it? If you are not interested with my thread go to another one...

Thank you...

The tail trying to wag the dog!

Have you ever been muffled before? Its not a nice feeling.

From reading your posts I believe you are nothing more than a jumped up troll out to cause a sneaky bit of trouble.

lostboy75

Mellor wrote: »

Don't get bogged down in the name. A few points.
Architectural technicians are far more skill that technicians in other fields (such as engineering).

Mellor as an Engineering Technician can i just say, speak about your own industry and dont demean other areas that Technicians work in.
we can be educated to your level of qualifications just the same way you can.
I also work in the construction industry (so you can have a quess what profession i am) but i do realise that there are many other Technicial roles out there. and they have worked hard to get where they are.
and yes i do realise that your defending your profession, and so accept your comments in the way they were ment, to illustrate a point.

and to keep this on topic, I do believe there needs to exists 3 different areas of expertiese in both of our professions. and to talk about yours, Its architect, technician, draughtsman.
I am backing your side in this chat.

Lost

sydthebeat

Chris,

I think this thread has run its course.

You came on here initially not understanding the situation regarding our profession. You asked questions, all of which were answered.

It has been laid out bare in front of you.
You refuse to accept the relevance of our profession, as is your right.

I do not think you can add anything else here, and theres a danger of it getting off topic.

Therefore i am locking this thread.