Feedback eh?

Will

So seen a few other forums doing this, figured why not us

What do you like about the forum
What do you hate/dislike/abhor about the place
Anything we can do to make the forum better

Bombs away

RxQueen

Said about it before, the only thing i dont like is the way some people(and yeah one or two regulars) speak to people who starts threads about 1st time tattoos etc... ie (oh why not put it on your forehead, ERM it was funny the 1st time it was said , not the 200th time)
there only Noobs asking questions, which if given the right answer will work with that.. only takes two mintues to write a nice reply.:) ... hell even im afraid to ask questions on stuff sometimes, and i know most of ye.... what ye might find a silly and pretty straight forward question , might be mind boggling for the next person

anywho other than that, its one of my fav forum. so long may it last:)

hot2def

I wish there were something we could do about the daft amount of shilling...



Also, I wish people would read the damn threads about tattooist/piercers before asking who to go to, its a matter of opinion

Will

Can't do anything about 1 post wonders unfortunately, it reflects poorly on their business and their ethics so in the long run it's detrimental to them... well in my opinion.

People don't read the threads unfortunately no matter how easily accessible it is to them. Just gotta reply and point em in the right direction :-/

Will

We aren't gonna rip people's heads off for criticising the place as long as it's put forward in a constructive way.

emo - will do my best to sort this out. gonna alter the charter a tiny bit to put it into effect.

Diceicle

Personally I wouldn't mind the shills if they were any damn good once you bothered searching for an online portfolio. Every one of them that has come on here suck azz.

As for making the place better, is a sticky/ gallery of artists in Ireland out of the question? I'm not talking about boards hosting every artists portfolios but maybe a small example of the work available from the like of JMD's, Zulu, Colourworks et al. The reason I suggest this is that almost every noob (and I'm not hating on the noobs, we were all there at one time!) inevitably asks "who would you recommend for X?" being able to direct them to a gallery thread might sort this.

Will

Have been pondering this for the past while, im just mucho lazy
It would be hugely beneficial but as i said in response to hot2def people don't bother reading stickies, they want the info as easily as possible so they just create a new thread. Even if i or someone else around was to create such a thread i can bet money on people still creating threads asking where to go even if it was in an easy to see and open format. case in point the stretching FAQ and healing piercings threads i made. still get quite a few threads about both those subjects

*dolly*

i think thats a great idea diceicle

there's an awwwwful lot in the show me your thread, and its actually quite hard to find portfolios of artists, and even more so if you're looking for someone who does a particular style.

and as much as the thread with all the artists/piercers is handy, you want to see some work instead of taking the word of someone who may have an entirely different opinion of what a great piece means.

ill stick my hand up and say im probably guilty of all the noob sins, actually more so, cos i went wandering into otb to drag an answer out of poor will ,
but found some helpful advice from lovely boardies, so thank you forum. much appreciated!!!

Will

all newbies once, one of my first threads was where i could buy an autoclave so i could pierce myself with sage instruments etc haha how i laugh

*dolly*

LOL!
ack all forums are the same with the same problems.
i use a different one all day, and we give out about noobs not reading the stickys and answering the same stupid questions too. i should really know better!!!

ill behave from now on!!! :P

RxQueen

hot2def wrote: »

I wish there were something we could do about the daft amount of shilling...



Also, I wish people would read the damn threads about tattooist/piercers before asking who to go to, its a matter of opinion

they're just looking for advice, most of that thread is outdated tbh.. wont go into examples..

you know the industry as do most people here, as in who to go to etc, but say you didnt im sure you would ask for an update opinion...... , so why should they be afraid to ask or made feel uncomfortable for asking a question?? cause like i said again , there's loads i want to ask , but dont

Star Lord

Why not?

longshanks

good idea for a thread bill. i dont post in here a lot but do browse it regularly and, like emo mentioned above it can be hard on people new to tattoos or piercings. its a bit too cliquey and while a lot of the regular posters are genuinely helpful, equally a lot of regular posters are arrogant, and too shortsighted to see their own arrogance. you can almost predict certain posters condescending replies as soon as you see a question in the title line.
overall though i like the forum, there is a lot it has going for it and the picture threads are good for ideas etc.

Will

Ok then well if people would be so kind, PM myself, damo or hellrazer with names of people who are rude or whatever so we can keep an eye out and try rectify the situation.

RxQueen

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

Why not?

cause of what I just said , some peoples replies to Noobs questions, are completely off putting, and sometimes i read them , and go , ooooh id like to know the answer to this to.... and then you get stupid replies like put it or your forehead, and your made to feel stupid..

its all about learning, and if i had half the knowledge that most of the people had here, id be happy to share it(ya had to learn once to ), not rip the piss out of people of asking such a question

im all for a laugh and a joke and a good burn, as ye know, but theres a time and a place for em

longshanks wrote: »

good idea for a thread bill. i dont post in here a lot but do browse it regularly and, like emo mentioned above it can be hard on people new to tattoos or piercings. its a bit too cliquey and while a lot of the regular posters are genuinely helpful, equally a lot of regular posters are arrogant, and too shortsighted to see their own arrogance. you can almost predict certain posters condescending replies as soon as you see a question in the title line.
overall though i like the forum, there is a lot it has going for it and the picture threads are good for ideas etc.

+100...

Kersmash

+1 on the cliquey, bandwagon mentality. It can be very discouraging, actually being anxious to ask a question due to the risk of abuse, you might get from some people. Otherwise this forum is ace!

YozzerHughes

I wouldn't worry about the cliquey thing. That's just the internet. I found everyone pretty helpful/ friendly.

Like most people passing through I came for a bit of advice to get an idea of the artists around, their styles, what studios they work out of and samples of their work.

I know it would be a bit of work but - the stickied thread on tattoo artists and piercers in Ireland.....If the first post of that was as comprehensive a list (as possible) with links off to artists portfolios hosted elsewhere it'd be a great resource. Updated very month or two if artists move around. Nice handy place to point lost noobs

My 2 c

*dolly*

YozzerHughes wrote: »

I wouldn't worry about the cliquey thing. That's just the internet. I found everyone pretty helpful/ friendly.

Like most people passing through I came for a bit of advice to get an idea of the artists around, their styles, what studios they work out of and samples of their work.

I know it would be a bit of work but - the stickied thread on tattoo artists and piercers in Ireland.....If the first post of that was as comprehensive a list (as possible) with links off to artists portfolios hosted elsewhere it'd be a great resource. Updated very month or two if artists move around. Nice handy place to point lost noobs

My 2 c

LOL! ye lying bollox ye
you nearly got banned for taking the piss in my thread

actually i thought that was a bit harsh. yozz had already explained that he knew me, and still got someone in giving him a last warning.
felt like a slapped child for messing in the grown ups forum.


hot2def - you're a star for posting the new thread. its so great to have a place to go to get help with something that really is a big decision, and should be as extensively researched as possible (imo). thanks again xxx

YozzerHughes

Why does it always come back to spanking with you dolly?

*dolly*

i just llllllllove it!!!!
3\
YEAH BABY!!!

RxQueen

*dolly* wrote: »

actually i thought that was a bit harsh. yozz had already explained that he knew me, and still got someone in giving him a last warning.
felt like a slapped child for messing in the grown ups forum.

That what Off Topic Banter Thread is there for, a joke a laugh calling eachother the bollix as you put it in freindly jokey way... we do welcome nooobs, post in there we wont bite ..much

Other thread are there for help etc, thats why you or him or whatever got a slap on the wrist.. dont want the thread being derailed so to speak..

RxQueen

YozzerHughes wrote: »

Why does it always come back to spanking with you dolly?

*dolly* wrote: »

i just llllllllove it!!!!
3\
YEAH BABY!!!

otb that way

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*dolly*

emo!! wrote: »

That what Off Topic Banter Thread is there for, a joke a laugh calling eachother the bollix as you put it in freindly jokey way... we do welcome nooobs, post in there we wont bite ..much

Other thread are there for help etc, thats why you or him or whatever got a slap on the wrist.. dont want the thread being derailed so to speak..

ah i understand that people dont want threads clogging up with spam. you dont want to wade through a load of in jokes and waffle to get one answer thats actually on topic. there's other forums for that. and you're right. you're definitely right!!!!

i was more referring to the fact that yozz had explained why he said what he had, had stopped messing, and then after it was sorted, someone came in quite heavy handed with a threat of a ban, and first and last warning post.
seemed a bit ott to me. maybe he was right tho. take no **** right from the start and run a tighter ship.

by the way emo, i think you're lovely. you have a really nice welcoming attitude

Diceicle

-1 on the cliquey from me. As Yozzer said thats just the internet, besides which the longtime,regular poster like Will, Raze and Damo will inevitably get to know each other more over time and through more frequent interaction both on boards and in bars, if you want to call that a clique so be it. Id just call it being friends.

The point about noobs getting rude or stupid replies does have some merit but personally speaking (typing??) I always try to be of as much help as I can to people who write a decent post that looks as if they put some thought into it. I'm probably slightly guilty of one or two smart a$$ replies but I would say that that would be to thread where it seems the OP put zero thought into their post.

RxQueen

Diceicle wrote: »

-1 on the cliquey from me. As Yozzer said thats just the internet, besides which the longtime,regular poster like Will, Raze and Damo will inevitably get to know each other more over time and through more frequent interaction both on boards and in bars, if you want to call that a clique so be it. Id just call it being friends.

The point about noobs getting rude or stupid replies does have some merit but personally speaking (typing??) I always try to be of as much help as I can to people who write a decent post that looks as if they put some thought into it. I'm probably slightly guilty of one or two smart a$$ replies but I would say that that would be to thread where it seems the OP put zero thought into their post.

yeah you do write excellent replies, and ive learnt lots from them, i enjoy reading your posts tbh ..

1 or 2 smartass comments from people is fine , im guilty myslef , but all the time just wreck my head !


anyways ive made my point, i tend to go on a bit , sorry ! :pac:!

Will

I would like to think the place isn't cliquey, we organise nights out and everybody is invited. People have come from kilkenny and waterford to hang out. I make a special effort as does Damo to make sure everyone feels welcome, and even offer to meet people on their own at a set time since it's easier to meet just 1 randomer compared to a whole group.

OTB is a bit of a monster at times, but if you come on and start any reasonable bit of fun and not just 1 liners like 'hi' you are sure to get a response. People are quick to point the finger and shout 'clique!!' but as I've said for nights out we've always (usually in caps) said new people are more than welcome. Never has there been a "only people posting x amount of months are allowed come along or post in otb"

I was a new person to this forum back in 2005, it was a hell of a lot different back then. I didn't know a thing, i thought buying an autoclave would sort me out for cheapo piercings. I eventually got the feel for the forum and figured stuff out, which is due to AmazingEmmet. He was always open to answering loads of questions from me no matter how stupid or crazy. It wasn't always in the main forum, pm's were exchanged etc etc

Maybe a thread for questions would be helpful? Just general questions relating to body piercing and tattooing? Not a how to, but something along the lines of 'what is x part of my ear called?' 'what is the gauge system?' things like that?

Hellrazer

*dolly* wrote: »

LOL! ye lying bollox ye
you nearly got banned for taking the piss in my thread

actually i thought that was a bit harsh. yozz had already explained that he knew me, and still got someone in giving him a last warning.
felt like a slapped child for messing in the grown ups forum.

Im going to answer that one.We had a user here who posted pervy comments about girls ink in the pics thread.Posts were reported and he perma banned. So now we operate a no pervy comments policy and zero tolerance on it aswell.

Will

Legend has it, if you type his name 3 times he will re-appear o.0

But yeah in all seriousness, some trouble in the past has lead to nasty situations

Hellrazer

*dolly* wrote: »

i was more referring to the fact that yozz had explained why he said what he had, had stopped messing, and then after it was sorted, someone came in quite heavy handed with a threat of a ban, and first and last warning post.
seemed a bit ott to me. maybe he was right tho. take no **** right from the start and run a tighter ship.

Actually the reason for the warning was because the post was reported by another user.

Raze_them_all

Diceicle wrote: »

-1 on the cliquey from me. As Yozzer said thats just the internet, besides which the longtime,regular poster like Will, Raze and Damo will inevitably get to know each other more over time and through more frequent interaction both on boards and in bars, if you want to call that a clique so be it. Id just call it being friends.

I agree, I never felt it was cliqy, I jsut sauntered in one day and fit right into place, i think that if new posters come in and post a bit about themselves and make the effort they generally fit in alot better, It's like when your out on the beer, When I'm sober I'm terribly shy and usually only say one or two words and feel like a bit of an outsider, but give me a feed of beer and ill talk the ear off anyone as some posters found out

Will wrote: »

I would like to think the place isn't cliquey, we organise nights out and everybody is invited. People have come from kilkenny and waterford to hang out. I make a special effort as does Damo to make sure everyone feels welcome, and even offer to meet people on their own at a set time since it's easier to meet just 1 randomer compared to a whole group.

OTB is a bit of a monster at times, but if you come on and start any reasonable bit of fun and not just 1 liners like 'hi' you are sure to get a response. People are quick to point the finger and shout 'clique!!' but as I've said for nights out we've always (usually in caps) said new people are more than welcome. Never has there been a "only people posting x amount of months are allowed come along or post in otb"

I was a new person to this forum back in 2005, it was a hell of a lot different back then. I didn't know a thing, i thought buying an autoclave would sort me out for cheapo piercings. I eventually got the feel for the forum and figured stuff out, which is due to AmazingEmmet. He was always open to answering loads of questions from me no matter how stupid or crazy. It wasn't always in the main forum, pm's were exchanged etc etc

Maybe a thread for questions would be helpful? Just general questions relating to body piercing and tattooing? Not a how to, but something along the lines of 'what is x part of my ear called?' 'what is the gauge system?' things like that?

+1 Newbies are always welcomed, I myself have been invited on the beer once or twice before Ifinally made my way up, I was never once made like an outsider, even though i generally take the piss outta noobs myself for the most part they all realise it's all in good fun and they take the piss outta me, when it goes to far I stop(or am told to) which I have no problem with
people like emo the suffer my wrath :P

Hellrazer wrote: »

Im going to answer that one.We had a user here who posted pervy comments about girls ink in the pics thread.Posts were reported and he perma banned. So now we operate a no pervy comments policy and zero tolerance on it aswell.

I too got a slap on the wrists for this I accepted it even if i didn't know of the situation.

Hellrazer

Will wrote: »

Legend has it, if you type his name 3 times he will re-appear

Jesus dont say that.And which one of his 20 names would you say anyway?

Molberts

Molberts feedback:

I would like to see more talk of tattoos and piercings in this

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tattoos and piercings forum and less random chatter.

I find myself posting less here, especially in OTB as its just full of jibba jabba about unrelated stuff. I have made some good friends through this forum but personally prefer to talk to them in real life about stuff not relating to tattoos and piercings as its not really relevant to other users otherwise -_-

I can see how new people might find OTB cliquey but can't say I agree in relation to the rest of the forum, maybe I'm wrong.

As far as I recall I haven't been mean to any n00bs, if ive nothing nice to say I tend to leave it, but do try to post helpfully if I can.

However, if i have offended anyone sorry and all that.

Peace and love,

Pierced and inky love,

Molberts

Hellrazer

Well said molberts.Im thought i was the only who wasnt mad about otb. Im dont even bother with it myself.

RxQueen

hmmm well i like it , prolly cause i lead a boring life :rolleyes:

ill just talk to myself on it ... its all good :P

*dolly*

Hellrazer wrote: »

Actually the reason for the warning* was because* the post was reported by another* user.

was it chin? i bet it was chin :P

i didnt realise that hell. no offence meant. i really didnt think it was that big of a deal anyway which is why i didnt say anything at the time, just the tone felt a little unfriendly in light of the fact that we had established that he wasnt some random perv.

anyway, its your forum, you know best how to mod it, and you were probably right to err on the side of caution. i was just offering an objective view from an outsider.

i definitely wouldnt have said the forum was cliquey. otb is bound to have people who chat like old friends if they are spending a significant amount of time all in the one thread and have met IRL. you cant spend all day welcoming every single poster who stumbles across the forum! they have to make an effort themselves.

longshanks

people often post here about looking for a certain script (arabic, chinese etc.) and invariably get slated by gauge or someone as its not a language they understand. 'why would you want something on your skin if you dont know what it says?' type comments. how about links to sites with different scripts or maybe translations.
it annoys me because we've all seen good tattoos here of koi, dragons, candy skulls, wills polynesian tat. yet will is not polynesian (a ginger maori?), molberts isn't japanese etc. so why is it deemed acceptable to some to have pictures from other cultures but not scripts?
personally i just like tattoos that look nice, i'm not bothered about the bullshit percieved rules that some folk seem to have.
take it easy folks

Crumble Froo

longshanks wrote: »

people often post here about looking for a certain script (arabic, chinese etc.) and invariably get slated by gauge or someone as its not a language they understand. 'why would you want something on your skin if you dont know what it says?' type comments. how about links to sites with different scripts or maybe translations.
it annoys me because we've all seen good tattoos here of koi, dragons, candy skulls, wills polynesian tat. yet will is not polynesian (a ginger maori?), molberts isn't japanese etc. so why is it deemed acceptable to some to have pictures from other cultures but not scripts?
personally i just like tattoos that look nice, i'm not bothered about the bullshit percieved rules that some folk seem to have.
take it easy folks

actually, ive met a ginger maori chick. quite an unusual look, but seemed quite a cool chick.

and i'd agree with this post, i think molbert's and hellrazer's.

i don't like the otb, try post in there now and then, but can never stick it for too long. it does feel a bit clique-y, and in a way, whereas there used to be a little chat and banter on other threads, it feels like threads now are a lot more serious, while the otb is a lot more nuts than conversation/banter in here has been before.

Star Lord

Thanks for all the feedback so far folks, keep it coming!

YozzerHughes

Hellrazer wrote: »

Im going to answer that one.We had a user here who posted pervy comments about girls ink in the pics thread.Posts were reported and he perma banned. So now we operate a no pervy comments policy and zero tolerance on it aswell.

That's grand and rightly so. I'm used to posting on another board where, let's say, standards wouldn't be as tight. Good to know the boundaries/ rules of the board you as posting on.

And as pointed out the last thing noobs usually do is read charters etc. I've no problem being told in a firm but friendly way if I'm out of line.

petes

More of a lurker than a poster but enjoy the forum. Have posted a few times. Have to say it's well kept and the nuisance level is kept to a minimum.


Only thing is when I check the forum I keep thinking of getting more tattoos!!! Meh.

Star Lord

Insurgent wrote: »

Only thing is when I check the forum I keep thinking of getting more tattoos!!! Meh.

That's a pain I live with daily

Sofaspud

My only problem is that OTB moves too bloody quickly, and when I'm away from the interwebs for a day or two I can't catch up!

Otherwise, all is dandy :pac:

hot2def

longshanks wrote: »

people often post here about looking for a certain script (arabic, chinese etc.) and invariably get slated by gauge or someone as its not a language they understand. 'why would you want something on your skin if you dont know what it says?' type comments. how about links to sites with different scripts or maybe translations.
it annoys me because we've all seen good tattoos here of koi, dragons, candy skulls, wills polynesian tat. yet will is not polynesian (a ginger maori?), molberts isn't japanese etc. so why is it deemed acceptable to some to have pictures from other cultures but not scripts?
personally i just like tattoos that look nice, i'm not bothered about the bullshit percieved rules that some folk seem to have.
take it easy folks

i field this one, seeing as I recently got involved in it.


This is not a translation board. It isn't. Further, I know from seeing the results personally that the online translators don't work the way people think they do.

Unless you know someone very well (ie close friend or family member) to translate for you - YOU ARE GOING TO GET IT WRONG. the problem is that people think other languages are like codes, where you swap our words INDIVIDUALLY for theirs and you can make sentences, with out know any grammar. Worse yet, many people think you can just swap our letters for their's, so when you say "Sorry, we don't have the chinese for "jack" here", they say "Do you not have J A C and K?". you try to explain that chinese developed seperately from european languages, and doesn't corespond like that, and that you'd have to spell it out phonetically and for that you want a fluent speaker. The look at you like you are a party pooper.


Sometimes, you get people who have been tattooed before, and they say "I asked a chinese guy, and he says this doesn't say anything at all". Well yes, he would say that, because they don't have the name Jack in chinese. Same way as if some one took the roman alphabet and used to to phonetically spell out a name you weren't familiar with, it would look like gibberish.




If I am sharp with people on here, its because I genuinely believe they are about to do something stupid. I am entitled to my opinion. I don't see why, on this board, we would be required to tell everyone their idea is good.

RxQueen

hot2def wrote: »

If I am sharp with people on here, its because I genuinely believe they are about to do something stupid. I am entitled to my opinion. I don't see why, on this board, we would be required to tell everyone their idea is good.

its not about telling them all thee ideas are good, cause sometime agreed there a plie of crap, but theres a way of telling them , and what point im trying to get across, is people seem to get annoyed with what why might fine a simple question ...

It like half of them are being spoken to like a bold child most of the time.. if they want to get a kanji after the advice you/ or anybody gives them, then its there choice be it a bad one or not


I agree 100% with longshanks said Will has mori , Molby has a Koi, Yet they aint slated for it(personal speaking there both awesome , just using it as examples)... yet i remember a while back someone posting about stars was given great stick over it . Why its personal choice, if someone wants advice on the best place to geta kanji or whatever , it only takes two seconds to write a nice reply , instead or dragging it out , and everyone bashing them for it

Star Lord

emo!! wrote: »

I agree 100% with longshanks said Will has mori , Molby has a Koi, Yet they aint slated for it(personal speaking there both awesome , just using it as examples)... yet i remember a while back someone posting about stars was given great stick over it . Why its personal choice, if someone wants advice on the best place to geta kanji or whatever , it only takes two seconds to write a nice reply , instead or dragging it out , and everyone bashing them for it

There is a huge difference between something symbolic, which can really only be interpreted one way, and language, which can be misinterpreted, mistranslated and messed up in many many ways.

There isn't a reliable online source for translations either, if there was we'd simply send the people to it!

The only reason that we are so critical is because unless you can read the language yourself, you really have no way of reading it. If you got a foreign language tattoo and liked it, wouldn't you be completely gutted if/when you found out that it meant something completely different, or meant nothing at all? We're trying to help prevent this from happening to people.

The sole reason that I give advice here is that I want people to get tattoos that they are going to be happy with, and I do not want to see people getting things done that they will regret.

RxQueen

i get being critical i do, there just a way of putting it , and sometimes the tone comes across as harsh ... tbh there some peoples post that i dont bother reading at all cause they annoy me .


and to end my rant in here, i dont like the tone sometimes, i find they get off lightly cause they're regulars or whatever, it might be good advice, but it could be put in a nicer tone.

Star Lord

Anytime you see any threads or replies that you think overstep the line, then report them!
Seriously, that is what the function is there for. While I think we do a pretty decent job moderating here, we cannot read minds (unfortunately ) so it is very difficult sometimes to tell what is borderline and what oversteps the line.

Raze_them_all

I'll throw my two cents in on the language thing.
Molby's koi is not slagged because people know the meaning of a koi. Will's tattoo is not slagged as there isn't a mistake. I think the thing about languages is the girl who was getting drug free in irish and ended up with free drugs on her, or the jap guy who delibertly tattoo'd cock and gay on people while telling them it was what they anted

RxQueen

yet stars are slagged?? mind boggles

Molberts

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

Anytime you see any threads or replies that you think overstep the line, then report them!
Seriously, that is what the function is there for. While I think we do a pretty decent job moderating here...

you do Damo

I would like to agree with what Damo said, no need for backseat modding (annoying!) and it does happen here when hitting report would suffice. Remember the night with the trollbashing? 0_0

As regards the translation thing, Hot2Def is 100% on this one.

I don't speak Chinese, but I have basic Japanese. Big long explanation half written but ive work to do, mebbe later

Raze_them_all

emo!! wrote: »

yet stars are slagged?? mind boggles

I slag stars because I hate them with a passion. People are running like crazy to get them because there a fad, I also hate my cousins kanji he got and my sisters