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[US/IRL] 5X08 - "LaFleur" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

  • 05-03-2009 4:42am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭


    - WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "LeFleur" -

    Episode Title: "LeFleur"
    Airdate: Mar 05th 2009

    Synopsis (from TV.Com):

    Spoiler:
    Sawyer perpetrates a lie to protect the remaining survivors from the mistakes of the past

    Next New Episode: 5X09 - Mar 19th - 2009


    SPOILER WARNING:

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    ABC (US) - Mar 5th 2009
    RTÉ (IRL) - Mar 9th 2009

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭The Gnome


    8
    Excellent, if the timeline has no more jumping then I love where this is going. Dharma and its shenanigans has always been my favourite part of Lost so hopefully we'll get to see a lot more.

    Interesting that Horace seems to be in charge, I wonder will Dr. Candle come along to shake things up or will he already be there?

    Nice to see that the four toed statue was a full figure at one point, though it looks like that was the last we'll see of it.

    EDIT: Two week break? Up yours ABC!:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭eddiehead


    7
    Was nice to see the statue alright, hope thats not all we see of it, the bloody thing has been a mystery since season 2! Have to say though, I really hope they aren't stuck in the 70's for good, that would kinda suck, its good to see more about the mythology of the island but I'd like to think they get back to normality at some stage.
    I wonder is the baby of any significance? Maybe somebody we've already met, maybe not, who knows.

    A good 8 for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    7
    Yeah I'll go with an eight as well. Sawyer bamboozling Richard Alpert has to be one of my favourite scenes this season, if not ever! Brilliant.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭oleras


    The statue reveal has to be one of the biggest cop outs in television history, I'm not impressed !! Would have been the same thing if they showed a T-Rex walking through the forest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭abelard


    8
    Wow, what a bizarre episode. I really never would have guessed that Sawyer, Juliet & co. would actually be caught in the past and spend 3 years on the island.

    My guess is they must be close enough to the purge by the Others? And they're going to stop it, presumably with help from Locke who'll join the others rather than Dharma?

    Sawyer and Juliet togehter was being built up slowly since the last season, interesting to see it happen now. Obviously Sawyer's "3 years is enough" talk will be well put to the test.

    The statue reveal was a bit annoying, teasing a glimpse and no more. From the few seconds I saw of it, it looked a bit like Anubis which ties further into some of the Egyptian stuff they've been using. Whether it's relevant to the overall story is still a mystery unfortunately.

    The biggest questions that this epsiode throws up, I reckon, is how Jack, Kate, Hurley etc. ended up in the 70's as well...?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    7
    oleras wrote: »
    The statue reveal has to be one of the biggest cop outs in television history, I'm not impressed !! Would have been the same thing if they showed a T-Rex walking through the forest.
    Ya, it looks like that's the end of that chapter. Sucks. The rest of the episode was good though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    9
    Don't think there has been an episode I've enjoyed as much since the Pilot episode. This was the perfect episode - had the perfect amount of wtf is going on? perfect amount of answers and perfect amount of romance (ie. Sawyer and Juliet - wanted to see those to together since the end of season 3 - obviously their relationship will be put to the test with Jack and Kate back, but really hope things work out for Sawyer and Juliet).


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Yup, statue definitely looks like Anubis alright:

    thumbs_anubis.jpg

    Anubis was god of the underworld or afterlife in Egyptian mythology. This ties in with Cerberus (Dharma's name for Smokey) who in Greek mythology was the 3-headed dog that guarded the gates to Hades or the underworld. The writers also claimed that the hieroglyphics on the countdown timer in season 2 meant "underworld".

    Although there's a few other Egyptian figures that it could be as well.

    It may not be purgatory but it's not far off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭jimbling


    7
    Thought it was another good episode... 7/8.. gave it 8. Sawyer was brilliant.... really taking control now.
    His relationship with Juliet just feels right, and damn was she looking cute......especially the scene when he brings her the flower...mmmm.
    I hope they don't ruin it just to bring back the Jack Kate Sawyer love triangle. My feeling is that he'll tell her FCK off once and for all.

    Sawyers interaction with Richard was brilliant. Although I don't really get why it just ends at that. Why are they still with Dharma three years later??? Wouldn't it be more suitable for them to join the others?
    Also, the whole "you broke the truce" thing doesn't really stand either, since they killed Amys husband first, and shot at the sawyer etc.... didn't really make sense.
    Sherifu wrote: »
    Ya, it looks like that's the end of that chapter. Sucks. The rest of the episode was good though.

    Don't know what people are so worked up about the statue reveal for. It was never a big deal anyway, i.e. no impact on the storyline... it was just put there to show people that the island has a long history. Also, I'm sure the statue will end up meaning something.
    The Gnome wrote: »
    EDIT: Two week break? Up yours ABC!:pac:

    WTF??? I thought there was not going to be any breaks in the last two seasons.... very disappointing
    abelard wrote: »
    Wow, what a bizarre episode. I really never would have guessed that Sawyer, Juliet & co. would actually be caught in the past and spend 3 years on the island.
    thought that little nugget was pretty obvious from last weeks episode :p
    abelard wrote: »
    My guess is they must be close enough to the purge by the Others? And they're going to stop it, presumably with help from Locke who'll join the others rather than Dharma?
    long way off the purge yet... about 20 years.
    Also, the whole premise of the time travel on the show is that you can't change anything. Impossible to stop the purge from occurring.

    eddiehead wrote: »
    I really hope they aren't stuck in the 70's for good, that would kinda suck, its good to see more about the mythology of the island but I'd like to think they get back to normality at some stage.
    I really doubt that will be the case, but it could easily be the end of this season before it does normalise.
    eddiehead wrote: »
    I wonder is the baby of any significance? Maybe somebody we've already met, maybe not, who knows.

    Was trying to work that out the whole time as well....... can't think of anyone that the time matches, but with time travel it could be anyone.

    Another point on this is why were the two others trying to take Amy.. the pregnancy perhaps?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭Gavin W


    8
    abelard wrote: »
    The biggest questions that this epsiode throws up, I reckon, is how Jack, Kate, Hurley etc. ended up in the 70's as well...?
    They must be somehow connected to the people left behind. The Oceanic 6 got off the island in 2005, while Sawyer and the others were sent back in time to 1974. Three years then pass in both time zones. So it's 1977 on the island, and Jack and co. board the Ajira Airlines plane in 2008 to come back. The plane crashes and most of those on board land on the island in the present, but the Oceanic 6, for some unknown reason, are thrown back into the same time as their friends. It must be something to do with the circumstances of how they left in the first place, with Ben turning the wheel, etc.

    This also means that...
    abelard wrote: »
    And they're going to stop it, presumably with help from Locke who'll join the others rather than Dharma?
    ...Locke and everyone else from the plane are in 2008! We know this from when we saw them in an old abandoned Dharma station last week. They also mentioned the fact that some of the passengers had mysteriously disappeared.

    Perhaps Locke will find the wheel and turn it again to bring his friends back to the present day?
    abelard wrote: »
    Also, the whole "you broke the truce" thing doesn't really stand either, since they killed Amys husband first, and shot at the sawyer etc.... didn't really make sense.
    Maybe Richard didn't know what his men had done. Or maybe Amy and her husband did break the truce first by trespassing onto their land or something.
    eddiehead wrote: »
    I wonder is the baby of any significance? Maybe somebody we've already met, maybe not, who knows.
    jimbling wrote: »
    Was trying to work that out the whole time as well....... can't think of anyone that the time matches, but with time travel it could be anyone.
    Another point on this is why were the two others trying to take Amy.. the pregnancy perhaps?
    I was convinced the baby was going to be Charlotte (she and Amy looked like they could have been related) until we saw her already on the island and Amy's baby turned out to be a boy.

    The Others can't have been taking her because she was pregnant as they were attacking her in 1974 and she wasn't pregnant until the 1977 scenes.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭Requiem4adream


    8
    After a few dubious weeks (in terms of pseudo-science, pacing problems etc) to me this week was absolutely amazing. This has become an instant classic, top-5 all-time ep for me. Just fantastic. Loved it. 9/10.

    Where to start. Sawyer. Return to form with a bang. In recent weeks it's felt like Josh Holloway has been phoning in his performance but this was just brilliant. The scene with Juliet by the sub - you could just tell both actors were having an immense amount of fun with their scenes and it shone through. Amazing chemistry between Sawyer and Juliet throughout, so much so that even at this point i'd be rather upset if Kate's return upsets the apple cart. Also a relief for Elizabeth Mitchell to be given something upbeat to sink her teeth into and i think she could be such a good asset to the show as the season continues.

    The Sawyer-Alpert scene was quality. In fact the acting throughout the episode was uniformly excellent (possible exception of Daniel crying but he rescued that in the end after a dodgy start). In a way when jack, hurley etc appeared at the end i kinda felt "go away with your negativity/whinging etc"!! (edit* - i'm also glad to see them back, i've remained a Jack fan since day 1; hurley is made for the 70s too!)

    If this episode is anything to go by i wont be at all displeased if they remain in the 70s for the rest of the season (as appears likely). The constant to-and-fro and timeline jumps make for pretty disjointed viewing at times, so some continuity would be great. It gives the writers a great platform to go deeper into the Dharma Initiative. Of course there will still be present-day storylines but it will become easier to differentiate between them.

    This ep has given me the same vibes (in a different way) as The Constant (agree with whoever said that above!). Although very different conceptually, both episodes are terrifically directed and magnificently acted. They hit the spot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭murfie


    8
    Gavin W wrote: »
    The plane crashes and most of those on board land on the island in the present, but the Oceanic 6, for some unknown reason, are thrown back into the same time as their friends. It must be something to do with the circumstances of how they left in the first place, with Ben turning the wheel, etc.

    One hole in your theory though is Sun and the pilot of the plane were in the same time as locke and the plane survivors but they both took the boat. The pilot may fall into your theory but Sun should have gone to the same place as Jack, Kate and Hurly. And whats happened to Syiad (sp?), have we seen him and i forgot about it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    I absolutely loved this episode. Also loving the way Jin's english has got better.
    jimbling wrote: »
    Another point on this is why were the two others trying to take Amy.. the pregnancy perhaps?


    A 3 year pregnancy ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Jay Ru


    6
    haven't we seen that necklace with somebody else on the island?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭Gavin W


    8
    murfie wrote: »
    One hole in your theory though is Sun and the pilot of the plane were in the same time as locke and the plane survivors but they both took the boat. The pilot may fall into your theory but Sun should have gone to the same place as Jack, Kate and Hurly. And whats happened to Syiad (sp?), have we seen him and i forgot about it?
    Actually they said that the pilot and "some woman" took the boat, so it remains to be seen if that was Sun but yeah, it's probably most likely her. Something else is obviously going on then! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭anotherlostie


    8
    I thought this was a cracking episode. Loved Sawyer and Juliet, and especially the scene with Alpert. It's weird alright that Locke & Ben appear to be in 2008 while the O6 are in the 70's. And while we thought the O6 had three years while time had only moved a few days for Sawyer's posse, this is not the case and they both moved on by three years since they last saw each other. I wondered before would the show move to how to get the 70's group back to their original timeline, and this makes sense even more now if they need to do this to link up with Locke.

    I was disappointed that we didn't see a ?teenage Ben lurking in the 1974 shadows, but as they seem to be back in New Otherton for a while, there may be time for that yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭TheAlmightyZeus


    8
    Just thinking back over the episode now and here are a few questions..

    1. Was Daniel in any of the 1977 scenes? I can't remember seeing him now.. Sawyer, Juliet and Miles were but no Daniel.

    2. What about the rest of the Losties like Bernard and Rose? They've been there for the last 3 years too, maybe Richard worked his magic on them and there others now :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Psychedelic


    6
    thought it okay, nothing spectacular. juliet has been looking very nice the last few episodes and again in this one. good scenes between her and sawyer but the romance stuff with jack/kate/sawyer/juliet is all a bit boring to me at this stage.

    the statue was a nice surprise, wasn't expecting that.

    one thing i just thought of, have the writers completely forgotten about rose, bernard and whatever red shirts were still alive before the last jumps? i don't really care coz i hated rose anyway but at the moment it looks like the writers have forgotten them....maybe the others took them in at some stage?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    9
    Just thinking back over the episode now and here are a few questions..

    1. Was Daniel in any of the 1977 scenes? I can't remember seeing him now.. Sawyer, Juliet and Miles were but no Daniel.

    2. What about the rest of the Losties like Bernard and Rose? They've been there for the last 3 years too, maybe Richard worked his magic on them and there others now :eek:

    1. Daniel didn't appear in this episode, but he's most likely there - remember the opening scene of the season with Marvin Candle and Daniel down by the wheel.

    2. They were discreetly referenced to in this episode when Jin and Sawyer were talking, while Juliet was in delivering the baby. Jin said he had no luck with Grid 143, and Sawyer said something along the lines of Well then we move on to Grid 144. Jin then said something like When will we stop looking for them and Sawyer replied when we've covered every inch of the island. The grids obviously refer to a map of the island and they're searching by grid for the others. Either Bernard, Rose & co. are trapped in another timeline or are probably with Alpert & co. I'm sure we'll find out though. Darlton claim to love Bernard and Rose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭V9


    9
    That was... Fan-Tastic.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 442 ✭✭seanironmaiden


    8
    gota agree. really, really good episode. actually.. I think I'll watch it again in a few hours it was that good (also.. I was distracted for a few of the scenes). 9/10


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    8
    quality 9/10 ep imo and why?

    They have goteen past the weak scientific explanation for time-travel/getting back to the island and gotten back to what the show is good about.

    Did we find all the stuff about replicating the plane flight etc believable? No

    Have we decided just to roll with that and enjoy what Lost can offer us? Yes, I have anyway.

    And this ep was a prefect example of that, really good ep, Sawyer was class in his role as La fleur, and the story between him and Juliette who had his back was really well done inc Sawyer's story about how 3 years is enough to get over someone when BOOM! she's back.

    Few new characters too inc Michele Desler from 24 :D as the islands first new mommy in a while.

    2 things im not sure about after this ep - there are always numerous things you cant be sure about every ep tbh

    1) I really cant see how, they can get back to their time without waiting 30+ years and therefore cant see how those in the past can be reunited with Locke and co.... this also makes me think of all that time back, those two skeletons that people thought could be Kate & Jack, well maybe they are 2 of the originals that never made it (to quote a great movie) Back to the Future.

    2) Jin and Sayid - what happened with them? gotta assume they are in the past too but just havent been found like the others were by Jin yet... maybe the others have them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,942 ✭✭✭missingtime


    Tombs is going to eat their livers!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


    7
    1. Daniel didn't appear in this episode, but he's most likely there

    Yes he did, we just didn't see him after the scene where Richard turned up, he wasn't in any of the "3 years later" bits. I hope he didn't profess his undying love for wee Charlotte, and end up in Otherton town jail!

    We'll definitely see him again, and I'd imagine that the work we saw going on at the very beginning of this season, down near where the Orchid station will be, is how they get back to their own time.

    I guess we've a couple more episodes of dual-timeline to go too.

    Also, that statue was a big letdown. Talk about shoving something in so that you don't have to explain it. Boourns. I thought they were going to look up and see a brachiosaurous eating the tree tops at first, Jurassic Park style. That would actually have been better.

    Very good episode though, even for a somewhat slow-burner.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭Ciaran*


    At the very start of the episode Jin's apperance changes from beardy (well a little moustache thing) to clean shaven. Biggest mystery yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,734 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    jor el wrote: »
    I hope he didn't profess his undying love for wee Charlotte, and end up in Otherton town jail!

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭anotherlostie


    8
    Ciaran* wrote: »
    At the very start of the episode Jin's apperance changes from beardy (well a little moustache thing) to clean shaven. Biggest mystery yet.

    Jin: "Sawyer. You. Have. Razor?"
    Sawyer: "What the hell you talking about Jin? Do I look like I have a razor?"
    Jin. "OK. I use sharp stone".

    Obviously they decided not to include this dialogue in the episode.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    7
    jor el wrote: »
    I hope he didn't profess his undying love for wee Charlotte, and end up in Otherton town jail!
    Hahaha, now that would be quality. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭TheAlmightyZeus


    8
    2) Jin and Sayid - what happened with them? gotta assume they are in the past too but just havent been found like the others were by Jin yet... maybe the others have them.

    Jin was in 1977 with the rest of them. Remember when Sawyer was waiting outside the infirmary for news on the pregnant chick and Jin popped up speaking some mighty fine english.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    9
    ****ing class episode. 10/10. Juliet was so bloody hot in it. Are we sure that Locke and Ben are not in 1977?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,905 ✭✭✭User45701


    5
    im suprised people are not throwing names around as to who the baby could be.

    I think we where showed Ben's birth before in an earlier episode - or am i just gone a bit madd? if not then i would guess him. Would put him at 30, the time is too perfect 30 years it could be any middle aged person on the show

    The two main mysteries i want more info on are the statue & richard


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    9
    Just watching the episode again. I noticed Dan was mumbling "I'm not going to tell her. I'm not going to tell her". I presume he means he's not going to tell Charlotte what the craic is.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    8
    Jin was in 1977 with the rest of them. Remember when Sawyer was waiting outside the infirmary for news on the pregnant chick and Jin popped up speaking some mighty fine english.

    whoops i meant sun not jin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭Gavin W


    8
    [-0-] wrote: »
    Are we sure that Locke and Ben are not in 1977?
    Yes, remember at the start of last week's episode they showed the new characters (Caesar and Ilana) searching through an old derelict Dharma station that had been abandoned for years. Plus they talked about how several of the passengers (Jack & friends) had vanished before their eyes as the plane went down.
    User45701 wrote: »
    im suprised people are not throwing names around as to who the baby could be.

    I think we where showed Ben's birth before in an earlier episode - or am i just gone a bit madd? if not then i would guess him. Would put him at 30, the time is too perfect 30 years it could be any middle aged person on the show
    30 is middle-aged!? :eek: :P

    We did see Ben's birth (off-island) in an earlier episode. We also saw young Ben being brought to the island in the 70s so it's possible we could see him again. Would be great to see the look on the Losties faces as they realise who this young kid is! :D

    Besides, according to IMDB, Michael Emerson is 54 (didn't think he was that old!), so far too old for Ben to be the boy who was born in 1977. Whoever that is would have been 27 when the plane crashed in 2004. I can't think of any young-ish guys from the first few seasons that it might turn out to be. Too young to be Ethan or anyone like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    I am kinda surprised the love this episode is getting.
    I thought it was decent but nothing spectacular. I see it as a pivot episode. We are now done with the time hopping and oceanic 6 part of the season and now have moved into the split between those stuck in the 70's and those stuck in 2007. I think this will be how the show will be divided up until the season 5 finale.

    I pretty much guessed after Jins appearance in Flight 316 that they would be stuck in time and were going to integrate themselves into the Dharma Initiative. It's interesting to see Horace is their leader. I assume Ben and Roger are on the island, I wonder will Ben meet them?
    Also as an off point why exactly was Richard Alpert hear different when Ben met him outside the fence.

    I don't care much for what is now the love quadrangle so all the Sawyer Juliet scenes didn't do much for me.
    Where Sun and Sayed in the van? I get the sense they are saving the big re-union with Jin.

    Amy giving birth is really interesting, for 1 will her kid turn out to be important. They noticeably never named him. It also shows that whatever causes women to die in childbirth happened after this point. It also raises the question why exactly did they allow everyone who died to give birth on the island? They still had the submarine and I think it was Horace who said the normal procedure is for women to be transferred off island to give birth. What changed during Juliet's time?

    The statue scene was good. People are getting way too worked over it. There is no way that this will be the only time we see it. I see it as a little reference from the writers just to remind everyone that they haven't forgotten about it.

    Anyway. I want to give it a 7 but I gave lasts week episode that score and I don't regard it as good so 6.5/10


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,905 ✭✭✭User45701


    5
    osrry - id consider middle aged 30-45


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    [-0-] wrote: »
    Just watching the episode again. I noticed Dan was mumbling "I'm not going to tell her. I'm not going to tell her". I presume he means he's not going to tell Charlotte what the craic is.

    Hes referring to what she spoke about last week before she died. She said she remembers being on the island as a child and a scruffy man with a beard coming up and talking to her and that she thinks it was Daniel, this is confirmed now by him being there in that timezone and seeing her as a child, hes saying to himself hes not going to tell her anything,trying to change the future so things dont happen the same.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭doonothing


    8
    Great episode! Jesus, a romance in Lost that didn't make me vomit, wow!
    Sawyer back on form :)
    Why is everyone saying that'd the last we'll hear about the statue? I mean, a little scene with Daniel asking a Dharma chap what the deal with it is or something is hardly out of the question, right?


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,004 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    doonothing wrote: »
    Why is everyone saying that'd the last we'll hear about the statue? I mean, a little scene with Daniel asking a Dharma chap what the deal with it is or something is hardly out of the question, right?
    Hold on - you want the Losties to start asking pointed intelligent questions that may get them, and us, valuable answers to their predicament? How long have you been watching this show? :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,945 ✭✭✭Anima


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    Great episode, no real lulls in the story just a nice steady pace which worked great. Some hotties in it as well, the chick at the start and Juliet, nice.

    The statue was definitely a suprise but definitely a tease. If you're gonna show it, just show everything and be done with it rather than showing its feckin arse and then leaving it for another season.

    I'm starting to wonder about the whole "you can't change the past" malarky and that things will happen anyway. When will it 'happen anyway' and what are the consequences? What if Sawyer walked up to Kate and Claire when Claire was giving birth a few episodes back and shot them both? I don't get it.


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,125 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Anima wrote: »
    What if Sawyer walked up to Kate and Claire when Claire was giving birth a few episodes back and shot them both? I don't get it.

    You're not thinking forth dimensionally, Marty. /Doc Brown.

    He could have done that but in season 1 when this Claire was giving birth, it would have happened as well. That's what they are trying to say. It's all the one timeline


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


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    doonothing wrote: »
    Why is everyone saying that'd the last we'll hear about the statue? I mean, a little scene with Daniel asking a Dharma chap what the deal with it is or something is hardly out of the question, right?

    I'd imagine that is the last we'll see/hear of it, unless someone has the good sense to ask Richard about it. That's not going to happen though, is it? I'd also doubt that the Dharma people know much about the original inhabitants, or the structures they put on the island.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    We haven't seen the last of the statue. I mean come on — the ancient history of the island is obviously key to what the island is. Dharma are just the middle men in all this. There's going to be more time travel. They aren't going to leave one group of the Losties in 70s and another group in 2005+. There's plenty of time to learn about the statue and the ancient civilisation that built it. What we saw in this episode was just the tease.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭The Gnome


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    Not sure if it's come up yet but any idea's why Richard wanted Pauls (the guy Richards people murdered) body? Thought it was a bit odd..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭doonothing


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    We haven't seen the last of the statue. I mean come on — the ancient history of the island is obviously key to what the island is. Dharma are just the middle men in all this. There's going to be more time travel. They aren't going to leave one group of the Losties in 70s and another group in 2005+. There's plenty of time to learn about the statue and the ancient civilisation that built it. What we saw in this episode was just the tease.

    Aye, I meant that we'll see it again... I was thinking there'd be some more time travelling thing, but it'd just be cheaper for them to ask the question, if a bit uncharacteristic :P

    I just can't see them never mentioning it again!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭carlop


    The Gnome wrote: »
    Not sure if it's come up yet but any idea's why Richard wanted Pauls (the guy Richards people murdered) body? Thought it was a bit odd..

    I got the impression it was because his people (ie the others) wanted revenge, and the body would be proof.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭KerranJast


    I get it now. Lost has all been a clever ploy to get us to buy more Stargate DVDs. There'll be a big reveal and Jacob will be Rick Anderson. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,114 ✭✭✭doctor evil


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    I loved this episode!

    Sawyer and Juliet fit really well together, will be interesting to see what happens with home wrecker Kate. I wish puppy dog Jack would piss off. Perhaps Hurley will lose weight in this decade.

    I wonder if the four will be introduced into New Otherton?

    Richard has a strong middle eastern look about him. Brilliant nickname of 'eyeline' from Sawyer who is looking very fine. The giant statue was a nice WTF touch.

    I suppose with Horace in charge it could mean that Dharma was started by hippies with means?

    The necklace does look familiar?

    I'm trying to remember what the necklace/cross by the crashed plane looks like.

    Could the baby boy be Desmond? We have been presented with no flashbacks as to who his family are. We know that Charlotte and her mother got off the island, perhaps they weren't the only ones.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭oleras


    Charlotte disapeared because her body could not ocupy the same time as 4 year old Charlotte, yeah ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,902 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


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    cooker3 wrote: »
    I think it was Horace who said the normal procedure is for women to be transferred off island to give birth. What changed during Juliet's time?
    I imagine he meant she was going to the hydra island, thats where the medical facility is.

    The statue scene was good. People are getting way too worked over it. There is no way that this will be the only time we see it. I see it as a little reference from the writers just to remind everyone that they haven't forgotten about it.
    I agree,
    it was hardly a reveal this week. Most of us (besides a few ridic suggestions) thought that the footwas part of a statue, due to the way it was broken on top. Which obvious implied a collous of rhodes type thing. it really just confirmed what we all thought and there is likely more.

    I'm a bit surprized at the people who consider the statue a reveal. It was always going to be a giant statue. The question wasn't "is it a statue", it was "why has it got 4 toes??"
    Surely that reveal shall come


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