Euro Indoors 2009 Championship - Bronze for O' Rourke / Gillick Tripped

thirtyfoot

There is already a general indoors thread but this is specifically in relation to the Euro Indoors which begin in Turin on Friday. Here is the team and their ranking in their event.

We could have a great champs and get 3 medals. Gillick is going for an historic 3 in a row. The Frenchman Djhone isn't there but there are 2 or 3 other threats. Derval O' Rourke is in with a shout too and is only 0.04 off the fastest in the field which in hurdles is sweet FA. Mary Cullen is our other big hope having recently beaten Sonia's 3k record.

My bold (and eternally optimistic) predictions are:

Gillick 1st
DOR 1st
Mary C 2nd

I think Roisin could be there or there abouts and maybe top 6 and 1 or 2 others might sneak a final spot.

Any predictions?

Mary Cullen 2nd
David Gillick 2nd
Derval O' Rourke 3rd
Deirdre Ryan 10th
Roisin McGettigan 12th
Deirdre Byrne 14th
Marian Andrews 14th
Kelly Proper 15th
David McCarthy 18th
Brona Furlong 18th
Zoe Brown 18th
Ailis McSweeney 22nd
Paul Hession 23rd
Niamh Whelan 25th
4 x 400

RealistSpy

This should be interesting when will it be streamed for people like us to watch?

helpisontheway

I wll go for-

Gillick 1st
O Rourke 2nd
Cullen 3rd
Hession Final
Proper Final
Z Browne NR
Niamh Whelan NJR??

myflipflops

Gillick - 1st. It wil be tough (his hardest field to beat so far) but i think he'l do it.
DO'R - 3rd. Don't think she wil beat Onyia, field looks weak generally though.
Cullen - 2nd. If the two weaker Russians are as average as they look on paper (hard to tell with them) then she is the 2nd best athlete in the race.
Hession - won't final i don;t think. 60 is consistantly looking too short for him.

I'll be very interested to see how the younger athletes get on, Proper especially. This is a great competition to blood former talented juniors at senior level and a good environment to set PB's.

On another note, as a fan of distance running, it's very disappointing to see no Irish male in either the 1500 or 3k. We should be aiming to have guys fighting for medals in the both events at this level.

thirtyfoot

pwhite587 wrote: »

Gillick - 1st. It wil be tough (his hardest field to beat so far) but i think he'l do it.
DO'R - 3rd. Don't think she wil beat Onyia, field looks weak generally though.
Cullen - 2nd. If the two weaker Russians are as average as they look on paper (hard to tell with them) then she is the 2nd best athlete in the race.

On another note, as a fan of distance running, it's very disappointing to see no Irish male in either the 1500 or 3k. We should be aiming to have guys fighting for medals in the both events at this level.

I don't about the hurdles, yes no Susanna Kallur but last year there were only 7 sub 8 and this year 4 sub so far. Granted, no standouts but still not soft. We could say the same for all events bar maybe womens High and 3k, in the mens 400 no big guns bar Wissman and Gillick. Rooney, Djhone, Borlee twins, Steele all giving it a skip. Of our other medal hopes Mary Cullen has the best quality time I feel, only 2 women last season went faster indoor or out. If she was a man the Kiernan type anoraks would be going bananas saying she is the next big time. I think she may go into the 8:30's. Anyway, lets focus on the positivity and not demeaning the medals before they even got out of the heats:D

runrunrun

pwhite587 wrote: »

On another note, as a fan of distance running, it's very disappointing to see no Irish male in either the 1500 or 3k. We should be aiming to have guys fighting for medals in the both events at this level.

we just had dave campbell run a very impressive 1:48.87 down in australia...he should've been preselected and allowed to run in turin, he'd have challenged for a medal in either the 800 or 1500

thirtyfoot

runrunrun wrote: »

we just had dave campbell run a very impressive 1:48.87 down in australia...he should've been preselected and allowed to run in turin, he'd have challenged for a medal in either the 800 or 1500

Thats promising, where was the race and where did he come in the race? Do you know did he want to run indoors? May not have been part of the plan.

thirtyfoot

Preview from AAI website.

http://www.athleticsireland.ie/content/?p=5870#more-5870

myflipflops

I'm not demeaning any medal, I'm just calling the fields as i see them. I'll be giving more credit than anybody to medals won.

Derval has a real world class athlete to beat in Onyia to get Gold but after that, the field is very condensed with nobody standing out for me. I reckon it's between the Belgium and Derval to fight for silver.

If Gillick wins, this will be the most impressive of his 3 golds. For Gold 1, he had a 46.5ish main rival (Canale) and for Gold 2 he had the German (not trying to spell his name) who is a good athlete but on both occasions there was one main danger. This year, he has to beat the Italian (who has just ran a 46.02 PB) and Richard Buck who really, really impressed me in Birmingham, again running a PB. On top of that, Wissman, while not on form, still has the potential to run damn fast. When you have 3/4 athletes fighting out over 400 indoors, the race dynamic is very different to having just 1 person to focus on.

Mary Cullen has the hardest opposion to take Gold with Alimova. After that, i think she's the best athlete there (augusto is up there too though). When i refer to the Russians as being poterntially 'average', I'm talking relatively. That is, they are not capable of running of running 8.30 or quicker and therefore dominating the race between them.

Tingle wrote: »

I don't about the hurdles, yes no Susanna Kallur but last year there were only 7 sub 8 and this year 4 sub so far. Granted, no standouts but still not soft. We could say the same for all events bar maybe womens High and 3k, in the mens 400 no big guns bar Wissman and Gillick. Rooney, Djhone, Borlee twins, Steele all giving it a skip. Of our other medal hopes Mary Cullen has the best quality time I feel, only 2 women last season went faster indoor or out. If she was a man the Kiernan type anoraks would be going bananas saying she is the next big time. I think she may go into the 8:30's. Anyway, lets focus on the positivity and not demeaning the medals before they even got out of the heats:D

thirtyfoot

pwhite587 wrote: »

If Gillick wins, this will be the most impressive of his 3 golds. For Gold 1, he had a 46.5ish main rival (Canale) and for Gold 2 he had the German (not trying to spell his name) who is a good athlete but on both occasions there was one main danger. This year, he has to beat the Italian (who has just ran a 46.02 PB) and Richard Buck who really, really impressed me in Birmingham, again running a PB. On top of that, Wissman, while not on form, still has the potential to run damn fast. When you have 3/4 athletes fighting out over 400 indoors, the race dynamic is very different to having just 1 person to focus on.

I fancy Gillick to win by maybe 2 or 3 tenths. I heard he was doing some pretty impressive 300's in training and was in good nick and that was a month ago. He has gone to ground too and seems very focused, playing it all down. He also has his lucky indoor charm in The Hesh who he has roomed with on each of his last two golds!!

Aside from Wissman I don't know if any of them can go into the 45's so if he gets a clear run and stays away from a young Italian who will be running like a lunatic on his home turf I think he can go well into the 45's and win comfortably. I'd be worried if he is behind Wissman at the bell, I know he is strong as f*ck and thats how he does it indoors but he needs to have it set up at the bell. There'll be a big difference between trying to outkick the German from 2 years ago and a Wissman in shape and leading at 350m. Will be a cracker of a race.

myflipflops

Tingle wrote: »

Aside from Wissman I don't know if any of them can go into the 45's so if he gets a clear run and stays away from a young Italian who will be running like a lunatic on his home turf I think he can go well into the 45's and win comfortably. I'd be worried if he is behind Wissman at the bell, I know he is strong as f*ck and thats how he does it indoors but he needs to have it set up at the bell. There'll be a big difference between trying to outkick the German from 2 years ago and a Wissman in shape and leading at 350m. Will be a cracker of a race.

Couldn't disagree with much here.

Rineanna

I could be going blind or it might be a mistake, but I can't see Onyia listed on the start-lists that are posted on the special Turin website. Could someone double check?

Derval's heat:

2 Viigipuu, Kadri EST 82 8.29 8.29
3 1014 Paplauskaya, Katsiaryna BLR 87 8.09 8.22
4 1032 Alozie, Glory ESP 77 7.82 8.20
5 1246 Krasovska, Olena UKR 76 8.018.03
6 1089 Hildebrand, Nadine GER 87 8.06 8.06
7 1005 Davin, Elisabeth BEL 81 8.11 8.11
8 1114 O'Rourke, Derval IRL 81 7.84 7.99

Nothing too hectic in her way there. The lane draw gods are against her once again, however.

Gillick's heat:

2 172 Gillick, David IRL 83 45.52 46.18
3 37 Szetei, Petr CZE 84 46.9646.96
4 48 Riis, Jacob DEN 84 47.55 47.55
5 97 Fonsat, Yannick FRA 88 46.82 46.82
6 65 Reina, Antonio Manuel ESP 81 46.89 47.75

McGettigan's heat:

1 1154 Te Raa, Marije NED 84 4:12.52 4:12.52
2 1224 Muncan, Marina SRB 82 4:12.35
3 1042 Rodríguez, Natalia ESP 79 4:08.244:08.24
4 1213 Yevdokimova, Natalya RUS 78 4:07.72 4:07.72
5 1187 Alminova, Anna RUS 85 4:02.23 4:02.23
6 1054 Järvenpää, Mari FIN 81 4:13.24 4:17.69
7 1111 McGettigan, Roísín IRL 80 4:11.31 4:11.31
8 1074 England, Hannah GBR 87 4:09.90 4:09.90
9 1022 Lustigová, Marcela CZE 82 4:15.45 4:15.45

400m Ladies:

2 1238 Gürler, Özge TUR 85 54.10 56.61
3 1189 Antyukh, Natalya RUS 81 50.3 52.50
4 1104 Andrews, Marian IRL 82 54.20 54.20
5 1131 Reina, Daniela ITA 81 52.95 53.19
6 1171 Lopes, Patrícia POR 82 53.87 53.87

2 1250 Pyhyda, Nataliya UKR 81 52.02 52.72
3 1109 Furlong, Brona IRL 86 54.60 54.60
4 1019 Kirilova, Tsvetelina BUL 77 52.61 54.15
5 1031 Petersen, Sara DEN 87 54.14 54.14
6 1244 Saka, Pinar TUR 85 53.04 53.04

myflipflops

Can you post a link to the heat lists? I can;t find it on the site as I'm clearly slow.

cfitz

Rineanna wrote: »

1 1154 Te Raa, Marije NED 84 4:12.52 4:12.52

She beat me in a race recently. I was a bit embarrassed to lose to a girl (I didn't know anything about her at the time). Hopefully she'll break a world record or something in that heat and that will make it more acceptable

Rineanna

pwhite587 wrote: »

Can you post a link to the heat lists? I can;t find it on the site as I'm clearly slow.

Voila!

http://www.sportresult.com/sports/la/framework/eaa2.asp

myflipflops

No Onyia listed n any heat or the full Round 1 start list. Also no gaps in the lanes (Every heat uses lane 2-8). Chances of a Derval gold just greatly increased. Probably has to be favourite now.

Rineanna wrote: »

Voila!

http://www.sportresult.com/sports/la/framework/eaa2.asp

thirtyfoot

Rineanna wrote: »

I could be going blind or it might be a mistake, but I can't see Onyia listed on the start-lists that are posted on the special Turin website. Could someone double check?

Great spot. I can only see 2 Spaniards and she ain't one of them. Its all got very interesting all of a sudden.

Rineanna

I asked on T&FN, and apparently she's suffering from indigestion.

She could've always just taken some Rennie....:pac:

myflipflops

For those of us who like a bet:



http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_sports_level1&category=SPORTS&ev_class_id=22

&

http://www.boylesports.com/betting/index.asp?sl=sle&gi=11&sltc=87677.1&slmtc=1903.1&sle=645712.1

Hard Worker

Ridiculous odds on Alminova in the 3000. Mary Cullen is well worth a bet at 12/1. She may have to run a new Irish record though.

Eurox

I reckon 4 medals 2 Gold, 1 Silver & a Bronze. Athletes will be David Gillick, Derval O Rourke, Mary Cullen & Roisin Mc Gettigan:)

myflipflops

Not a bad shout to be honest. Roisin is very difficult to call. She's raced very well when she has competed this winter but we have no real 1500 form for her and abslutely no form in racing anybody else in the event.

Eurox wrote: »

I reckon 4 medals 2 Gold, 1 Silver & a Bronze. Athletes will be David Gillick, Derval O Rourke, Mary Cullen & Roisin Mc Gettigan:)

Rineanna

Eurox wrote: »

I reckon 4 medals 2 Gold, 1 Silver & a Bronze. Athletes will be David Gillick, Derval O Rourke, Mary Cullen & Roisin Mc Gettigan:)

I think McGettigan will make great strides in the 'chase this summer, and is primarily using the indoor season for a bit of speedwork over the shorter distances. She's ranked outside the top ten, so I think she'd be happy primarily to make the final and then see from there.

I'm going to be conservative and say two medals from Gillick and O' Rourke. I really can't predict the 3000m, and that's what makes it so exciting. You have Alminova, Fernandez (whose 3000m stats aren't impressive, having not broken 9 minutes, but having run 4.01 for 1500m is worth at least 8.3x in a fast race so she's lethal). Then Sidorchenkova and Augusto are 8.4x ladies at their best too, so it's going to be a bloodbath me thinks!

Would really like to see Whelan go low 7.4x. That'll set her up nicely for the summer, where she's still eligible for the Euro Juniors. Hope Kelly Proper can pull off a consistent series, and possibly go 6.5x. That's a big ask, but you never know. Zoe Brown to go 4.25 (should the increments go that way), Deirdre Byrne to go sub 9 minutes.

runrunrun

serious good odds on casado to win the 1500..silva is past his prime and diego ruiz is a nobody

Eurox

With regards to Roisin I just feel she is not there to make up the numbers and I believe she will suprise us all.:)

runrunrun

she won't win a medal but cud make the final

Rineanna

Eurox wrote: »

With regards to Roisin I just feel she is not there to make up the numbers and I believe she will suprise us all.:)

I hope so. She's in good shape, anyway.

joskel

looking at the field events only 8 qualify for final indoors 12 outdoors girls need pbs to qualify best of luck

Rineanna

Derval wins her heat in 8.06 from the outside lane. Good start to the championships!

Milesandmiles

Is there TV coverage anywhere?

thirtyfoot

Rineanna wrote: »

Derval wins her heat in 8.06 from the outside lane. Good start to the championships!

Looking good. Steady start.

Just noticed Claxton entered. Didn't realise.

Domer

Derval 3rd fastest after qualification after Berings and Vukicevic. Surprising there were not Swedes in the field!

Rineanna

Domer wrote: »

Derval 3rd fastest after qualification after Berings and Vukicevic. Surprising there were not Swedes in the field!

Both the Kallurs are crocked, and won't be back in action for months.

thirtyfoot

Domer wrote: »

Surprising there were not Swedes in the field!

Bit of a turnip for the books alright.

myflipflops

Tingle wrote: »

Bit of a turnip for the books alright.

Immediate ban for that.


Derval versus Berings for me. They look the best hurdlers in the field and both looked very comfortable.

Rineanna

Tingle wrote: »

Bit of a turnip for the books alright.

I was going to say that vegetables are forbidden from competing by EAA regulations, but thought the mods might've wielded their stick at me, but since you made the first crack...:D

thirtyfoot

Rineanna wrote: »

thought the mods might've wielded their stick at me, but since you made the first crack...:D

No, moderation here follows more of a carrot appoach.

Rineanna

Marian Andrews 53.94 PB. There's a chance she could be one of 4 fastest losers; she's the second of those after two heats

Tingle wrote: »

No, moderation here follows more of a carrot appoach.

Taxi for Tingle...

Stupid_Private

Rineanna wrote: »

Marian Andrews 53.94 PB. There's a chance she could be one of 4 fastest losers; she's the second of those after two heats

Third fastest going into the last heat...

Woddle

Where are you watching this, linky

thirtyfoot

Woddle wrote: »

Where are you watching this, linky

RTE.ie are streaming live.

Rineanna

Brona Furlong automatically qualifies with PB of 53.84. I think Andrews may have snaked through.

thirtyfoot

Great work by the women in the 400m. Two in the semi and 2 PB's.

To think that what we perceive as our 4th and 5th ranked athletes in an event can make the semis in a European Championships shows true depth coming into an event. If they keep this up and transition these times to outdoors they won't be 4th or 5th for much longer come outdoors. Great morning so far.

Daithi BC

Tingle wrote: »

RTE.ie are streaming live.

For anyone at home and with BBC on satellite, it's available on the red button:


European Indoor Championships
Friday 6 March
0825-1300, BBC Red Button and BBC Sport website
1400-1805, BBC Red Button and BBC Sport website
Saturday 7 March
0825-1045, BBC Red Button and BBC Sport website
1400-1710, BBC Two and BBC Sport website

Sunday 8 March
1400-1710, BBC Two and BBC Sport website

thirtyfoot

Missed race, how'd Wissman look running 46.4?

Daithi BC

Tingle wrote: »

Missed race, how'd Wissman look running 46.4?

Comfortable enough, I thought. Looking around him in the final 50m.

thirtyfoot

Daithi BC wrote: »

Comfortable enough, I thought. Looking around him in the final 50m.

21.60 split so he went through fast relative to his finish time. Could be a good thing in that he is struggling for the distance or a bad thing that he is coasting in the 2nd 200m. Hopefully he is struggling for the distance.

Daithi BC

Gillick in the next heat.

You can tell I'm working hard today.

limerickleader

Great run by Gillick, won with ease. Highly productive day on the cards here too

Daithi BC

David Gillick wins his heat in 47.11, easing up for the last 100m. 21.87 at 200m.

thirtyfoot

4 athletes, 2 wins and 2 others with PB's and all 4 through. You'd take that any day!!