are things as bad as they seem?

snowy2008

my job has announced they are cutting pay by 10 and getting rid of bonuses, so i looked at jobs.ie and there is not a whole lot going, i was thinking of just resigning anyway, going on the dole and see what happens, is this a bad idea? are jobs really that hard to find?

SheroN

It depends on the skills and experience you have. But for the vast majority of people it's pretty tough at the moment.

herya

Why would you go on the dole if you're not forced to?

Westwood

quiting a job regardless of a pay cut would be a dumb decision, the dole will be cut next and then your throat...

Topmail

teresa2008 can I have your job I would take any job just to get off the dole, looking for a job sence last Sept:mad::mad::mad:

Xiney

As long as you're being paid more than you'd get with the dole, stay in your job and try to find another.

I've heard it's easier to find a job if you've already got one. I don't know if that holds much water these days since it's proving to be pretty difficult for anyone to get a job.



Fact of the matter is, looking for a job won't be easy anyway - you might as well stay employed.

snowy2008

coz id be just breaking even and i could contentrate on getting into what i really want, ive all sorts of certs in sales management but i hear sales is not the place to be!

herya

I just don't think it's ethical to go on the dole when you don't need to... and it will not look good on your CV either.

lady_j

teresa2008 wrote: »

coz id be just breaking even and i could contentrate on getting into what i really want, ive all sorts of certs in sales management but i hear sales is not the place to be!

Look for that perfect job outside of work hours, but keep your current job. Most people currently unemployed are willing to take any job, not just the perfect job and are struggling to find anything.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0304/breaking28.htm

snowy2008

does it look bad on your cv if you just take some time out? ie leave a job and try and find something better with nothing to go to?

Bitsie

Adding to the unemployment numbers by your own choice is a stupid idea in this climate..I have been unemployed since last August and its near impossible to find another job......The idea that someone already employed would give it up to go on the dole is silly, the amount of people in this country that would love to be in your situation is growing by the day. If you want another job then fine but look for it while you are still employed.

Tom Dunne

Madness, sheer and utter madness to give up a job in this day and age.

lady_j

teresa2008 wrote: »

does it look bad on your cv if you just take some time out? ie leave a job and try and find something better with nothing to go to?

Yes, the first question I have been asked in the very few interviews I have managed to get, is what have I been doing for the past six months since I last had a job. How bad does it look to an employer that you voluntarily gave up work in this current climate.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

So you way of thinking is, quit your job and just float onto the dole queue? You haven't a clue of what it is like to be unemployed and on the dole... not a clue. Because if you did, you wouldn't even consider this outrageous and thoughtless move. I despise people like you...

mikemac

OP if you are unhappy in your job then look around and search some job sites.
If you find a position then apply and do an interview.

Do not leave your current job without having another job lined up.
And I mean written contract signed, not some vague promise from a HR assistant or recruitment consultant.

donegal lass 4

agree with all the above posters in some way, keep the job and look for another! i hate my job and feel trapped in it.ie no opportunity for any thing better,but trying to keep a positive attitude. . . if you are not happy,fair enough make an effort to find another one,but dont make rash decision and leave your current one!

krust

yep things are really bad

Firetrap

teresa2008 wrote: »

does it look bad on your cv if you just take some time out? ie leave a job and try and find something better with nothing to go to?

Yes. There's a saying that you can get a job if you're in a job. With the way things are now, there will be massive competition for every job going. Being in a job already is definitely an advantage.

A few years ago, back in the "good" times, I lost my job. Finding another when I was on the dole was a toughie. When I was working, getting other jobs was much easier. Employers can pick and choose, especially now. The first thing any employer will wonder about when they pick up a CV is why you're not working. Even now.

If you're not happy in your current job, go get another one. And thank your lucky lucky stars that you don't have to spend your Tuesday or Wednesday mornings queueing up alongside the other unfortunates on the dole. I tell you something - the vast majority of the people in that queue would gladly take your job off you.

snowy2008

ah i dont think you really despise me is it hard to get on the dole?

Xcellor

teresa2008 wrote: »

my job has announced they are cutting pay by 10 and getting rid of bonuses, so i looked at jobs.ie and there is not a whole lot going, i was thinking of just resigning anyway, going on the dole and see what happens, is this a bad idea? are jobs really that hard to find?

ffs are you really serious? Be happy you have a job.

Why add to unemployment figures when you don't need to.

snowy2008

whats ff?? im just being a bit grumpy coz they wont give me a four day week with the pay cut, sorry

lady_j

teresa2008 wrote: »

ah i dont think you really despise me is it hard to get on the dole?

It is much harder when you voluntarily leave a job, you have to be unemployed for longer before you can apply. There is also a 10-15week wait for a lot of applicants in big areas.

Now can you please let me know the company you work for, because I am willing and ready to take your job as are probably a lot of other unemployed people on this thread.

Bitsie

teresa2008 wrote: »

ah i dont think you really despise me is it hard to get on the dole?

Reading your post just makes my blood boil.......Be stupid and selfish and throw in your job, just tell me where you work and ill take it from you.
I have never heard such stupidity, you havent a clue. You dont deserve that job... :mad:

snowy2008

ah dont be like that

Bitsie

Yes i will sorry.....people like me and plenty others on here have been struggling with their lives since being let go and find it impossible to get more work and then you come along saying stupid things like you WANT to go on the dole.......There is no excuse for that ridiculousness.

snowy2008

just pm'd you... hope your not too mad

sNarah

Same reaction here, at this stage I would take on ANY job for ANY pay! I've been looking since august, had about 4 weeks of work since then, temporary agency roles. I have a good CV, plenty of experience and am willing to work hard.

At first I was looking for 'decent' jobs, i.e. in my field of interest, with a good salary, nice company etc. Nothing. I send out about 7 CV's per day and on average spend 2/3 hours a day jobsearching.

Then, I decided to get less picky. As a Belgian person, I speak 5 languages fluently. Perfect for call centres etc, jobs I was staying away from for the obvious reasons. Send out my CV to Hertz, National Pen, Ebay, Paypall, and all the other companies hiring multilingual staff. Nothing, not even an interview.

So now I'm down to the last stage. I am now applying for: cleaning, promotional work, subway counter assistant, waitering, kitchen porter, ... Not even a reaction, no interviews, nothing.

So, dont go saying here 'Oh I think i'll give up my job and go on the dole' that just makes a person like myself very angry.

And no, I'm not even on the dole myself, I am not eligible, luckily my partner has a very good job that supports both of us. And I don't even "need" a job out of financial reasons like MOST people do, people with kids, mortgages etc. So I know how hard it is for me, crawling up the walls out of frustration, I can't even imagine what it must be like if you have children to feed or risk to lose your house! :mad:

Maybe think again before you a) post a tread like this, b) think about giving up your job to be lazy and go on the dole and c) i suggest you watch the news and read the papers a bit more, then a question like "is it really that bad" would be answered straight away.

snowy2008

i really mean this in the best possible way but maybe should you look for a job in your own home country? i really dont mean any offence by this

deadhead13

teresa2008 wrote: »

whats ff?? im just being a bit grumpy coz they wont give me a four day week with the pay cut, sorry

ffs - FOR F**K SAKE. Which pretty much sums up my reaction to your op.

sNarah

teresa2008 wrote: »

i really mean this in the best possible way but maybe should you look for a job in your own home country? i really dont mean any offence by this

Well, if my partner wasn't Irish, if my whole life wouldn't be here in Ireland, if our family lived there and if my partner loses his job here (being in the farming industry there is about a 100% chance this will happen in the near future) then we would. And in all fairness,comments like that -meant in a good or a bad way- are just nasty. I am an Irish citizen, I love this country, I am not even on the dole wasting taxpayers money and have been here for quite a while, happily paying taxes.

Notheless, this was not part of the original tread anyways, back on topic.

I think it is obvious from the reactions here that your idea is offensive with 400.000 people unemployed and employment figures topping over 10%; which is the highest ever in this country.

As said by other posters, give up your job, tell us were it is so we can apply for it, most people here would be delighted to even work for minimum wages. Just don't complaining afterwards that you can't register on the dole for anther 3 months (waiting time given to one of our mates whos recently been made redundant), that you can't find a job and that you can't pay your mortgage.

deadhead13

teresa2008 wrote: »

i really mean this in the best possible way but maybe should you look for a job in your own home country? i really dont mean any offence by this

Troll alert!

snowy2008

verbal smack taken ok, i wont complain anymore

midlandsmissus

To be honest I can see what she's saying. And I do of course see the other side to the argument, but there's no need to berate the woman.

Working people who have their hours cut can end up earning little over what the dole is worth.

They are still slaving away in the job for so many hours, and see people getting paid the same amount for doing absolutely nothing. (The dole is incredibly high so be grateful for that, it is 40 pounds a week in england).

Working people working cut hours think: Why should I do this when I can do nothing for the same money.

People on the dole think: I would do anything to get off the dole, I'm going out of my mind with boredom.

It's just a case of people not knowing what the other side's situation is really like.

As I said before the dole is very, very high, so be grateful for that at least!!!!!! I told people in northern ireland how much it was down south and they couldnt believe it, they said "why do people bother to work at all?' as I said before it is 40 pounds per week up here. Count your blessings!

Bitsie

Can i ask how old you are?

midlandsmissus

Bitsie wrote: »

Can i ask how old you are?

who, me?

Bitsie

The point though is, that if she is angry that hours have been cut or whatever, then fine, leave the job, but NOT BEFORE SHE HAS ANOTHER ONE!!!

Bitsie

No, the OP

midlandsmissus

Bitsie wrote: »

The point though is, that if she is angry that hours have been cut or whatever, then fine, leave the job, but NOT BEFORE SHE HAS ANOTHER ONE!!!

But I think people in a job maybe don't realise how boring and frustrating being go on the dole is (Ive been on it myself). You HAVE to have been on it to realise. I think some people view it as a nice break - getting paid for doing nothing.

snowy2008

what has my ages got to do with anything? and yes i was on the dole but it was for two weeks and i got a job shortyl after going on so i never took a payment

Mena

midlandsmissus wrote: »

As I said before the dole is very, very high, so be grateful for that at least!!!!!! I told people in northern ireland how much it was down south and they couldnt believe it, they said "why do people bother to work at all?' as I said before it is 40 pounds per week up here. Count your blessings!

I won't be the least bit surprised if social welfare is hit with significant cuts in the near future as well, so I'd not rely on that 200 euro a week if I was anyone, it could change for the worse at any time.

Oh and for over 25's it's 60.50 per week (sterling) in the UK. Not that this has any bearing here at all :P

To the OP, get a new job, but do yourself a favour and don't resign until such time as you have a signed contract of employment with your new employer. To your original question, yes, it is really that bad out there.

Xiney

midlandsmissus wrote: »

But I think people in a job maybe don't realise how boring and frustrating being go on the dole is (Ive been on it myself). You HAVE to have been on it to realise. I think some people view it as a nice break - getting paid for doing nothing.

I don't think there will be too many people ignorant of what being on the dole is like by the time this is all over.

Bitsie

teresa2008 wrote: »

what has my ages got to do with anything? and yes i was on the dole but it was for two weeks and i got a job shortyl after going on so i never took a payment

Just curious as you come across as being fairly young.

Bitsie

midlandsmissus wrote: »

But I think people in a job maybe don't realise how boring and frustrating being go on the dole is (Ive been on it myself). You HAVE to have been on it to realise. I think some people view it as a nice break - getting paid for doing nothing.

Even if the country was still booming, to go on the dole just for a break seems ridiculous, thats what holidays and time-off are for, so to go on the dole in a recession seems even more uncomprehensible.

deadhead13

teresa2008 are you really that navie or are you just trying to wind people up?

snowy2008

i was just asking a question, why is everyone getting so angry?

Bitsie

Because it was such a stupid question in a bloody recession when so many people are suffering!!

deadhead13

teresa2008 wrote: »

i was just asking a question, why is everyone getting so angry?

Ok fine, If you had watched the news, listened to the radio or read a newspaper yesterday you would know 1000 jobs a day are being lost. So you tell me - is it a good time to give up your job?

snowy2008

janey folks, chill out! i never meant to cause offence, i was only asking.....

bullpost

Here's what you do -
Sit down for a week and religiously watch the News/Prime Time/Questions and Answers and Vincent Browne -
after that you'll be like the Seven Dwarves - You'll whistle while you work

artful_codger

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I told people in northern ireland how much it was down south and they couldnt believe it, they said "why do people bother to work at all?'

I've heard of people claiming dole on both sides of the border, is this true?

professore

sNarah wrote: »

I think it is obvious from the reactions here that your idea is offensive with 400.000 people unemployed and employment figures topping over 10%; which is the highest ever in this country.

Just one small point, unemployment was 18% here in the 80's, so it has been higher.