Will the disgraced former taosaich Bertie re enter politics again ?

newtlover

will he run for president ?

mayor of dublin

or europe

cm2000

newtlover wrote: »

will he run for president ?

mayor of dublin

or europe

He is not disgraced. He has not been found guilty of any wrongdoing by any court or tribunal.

spank_inferno

and he has to leave politics before he can re-enter.
AFAIK he is still TD for Dublin north-central .

Would he try to get the FF nomination for President? - I doubt it but you never know.
European president/president of comission? - He would probably like that but he may have a tarnished reputation in Brussels so may not run.

mike65

I think the legacy is so bad, he'd be looked upon rather poorly by the EU/UN/High School Musical Appriciation Society.















Prolly a shoe-in for President of Ireland then.

Zynks

cm2000 wrote: »

He is not disgraced. He has not been found guilty of any wrongdoing by any court or tribunal.

Well, no court will actually disgrace him. He did it himself.

Since Irish voters seem to have a short memory, I would expect him to be succesfully re-elected at the next elections as a TD, in the same way the Flynn's keep coming back. Local politics seem to be more important than ethics.

jimmmy

The "dig outs" he took are small beer compared to the mess he left the country in. The property bubble grew on his watch. He let the public service become the most bloated one in the world on his watch. Those of us who felt the cold winds of recession coming a few years ago he told to go off and commit suicide. Easy for him on his big fat pay, perks + pension. If he ever came to my door looking for a vote he would be lucky not to get a rotten tomato in his face.

Blazer

jimmmy wrote: »

The "dig outs" he took are small beer compared to the mess he left the country in. The property bubble grew on his watch. He let the public service become the most bloated one in the world on his watch. Those of us who felt the cold winds of recession coming a few years ago he told to go off and commit suicide. Easy for him on his big fat pay, perks + pension. If he ever came to my door looking for a vote he would be lucky not to get a rotten tomato in his face.

he'd be lucky not to get more than that...lotto odds lucky.:mad:

Darragh29

I wouldn't put him in charge of a chip shop and that's the truth.

LoveDucati2

Honestly, what do you expect when he was tutored by that f*ckin scumbag Haughey.

He is a serving TD, where the f*ck is he, has he taken personal leave to head off to Central America, or is he representing us on how to F*ck up properly.

He should be put against the wall in Kilmainham and shot.

Deedsie

Is there a chance he'll be held untill Gerry Adams runs for President?

HydeRoad

If he is still TD for Dublin North Central, what the bloody hell is he doing swanning round South America on lucrative speaking engagements??? Can we deduct that from his TD's salary???

The one thing that sickens me about media coverage of this recession, more than anything, is the complete absence of mention of Bertie's name as architect of this fine mess. EVERYONE who is culpable for this property bubble and subsequent burst, was appointed and rode high under Bertie's watch.

His ugly, sneering face for me personifies everything that is sick and corrupt about modern Ireland, from the greed, to the lies, to the spin, to the dirty deals, to the promotion of sharks, to the shafting of good people, to the culture of a life lived purely and ruthlessly in pursuit of money and power, no matter how many people are trampled on along the way.

VOMIT!

LoveDucati2

HydeRoad wrote: »

If he is still TD for Dublin North Central, what the bloody hell is he doing swanning round South America on lucrative speaking engagements??? Can we deduct that from his TD's salary???

The one thing that sickens me about media coverage of this recession, more than anything, is the complete absence of mention of Bertie's name as architect of this fine mess. EVERYONE who is culpable for this property bubble and subsequent burst, was appointed and rode high under Bertie's watch.

His ugly, sneering face for me personifies everything that is sick and corrupt about modern Ireland, from the greed, to the lies, to the spin, to the dirty deals, to the promotion of sharks, to the shafting of good people, to the culture of a life lived purely and ruthlessly in pursuit of money and power, no matter how many people are trampled on along the way.

VOMIT!

Great post, we should start a party.

The c*nt spent 5 weeks doing a farewell tour when he was forced to resign to save his arse from prosecution, while the fuc*wit BIFFO was signing songs on the back of a trailer in OFFAL.

deadhead13

cm2000 wrote: »

He is not disgraced. He has not been found guilty of any wrongdoing by any court or tribunal.

He left office in disgrace, only he didn't have the decency to admit it. Hopefully the Mahon tribunal judgement will finish the job.

bmaxi

I bet he'd get in. Being a crook, having one in the family or freely associating with them, seems to be a plus on your political C.V. Of course, a dim witted, parochially minded, stuck in the past electorate, does no harm either.

Akrasia

spank_inferno wrote: »

and he has to leave politics before he can re-enter.
AFAIK he is still TD for Dublin north-central .

Would he try to get the FF nomination for President? - I doubt it but you never know.
European president/president of comission? - He would probably like that but he may have a tarnished reputation in Brussels so may not run.

exactly, and I'd say he's still claiming all his expenses even though he's off feathering his own nest doing conferences for gullible mexicans about the wonders bertienomics

Akrasia

deadhead13 wrote: »

He left office in disgrace, only he didn't have the decency to admit it. Hopefully the Mahon tribunal judgement will finish the job.

he left his office in disgrace, and then disgracefully had his new tds office redecorated with rembrants and shiny things at the cost of hundreds of thousands of euros of our money.

turgon

The anger in this thread is actually uplifting!

I doubt Bertie would run for anything. Nationally he is too "disgraced", although people might forget. Globally and in the EU the people are smart enough not to give him anything. Well hopefully at least.

HydeRoad

That's not enough. The man should be paraded in humiliation on the world stage as a prime example of the depths of slime and corruption that can infest humanity with devastating lifetime effects on ordinary people, and the dragging of the national pride of a whole country into the sewer.

That man preened at the funeral recently of the same man he shafted years before, simply because as an honest man, he presented a threat to everything rotten that Bertie stood for.

LoveDucati2

HydeRoad wrote: »

That's not enough. The man should be paraded in humiliation on the world stage as a prime example of the depths of slime and corruption that can infest humanity with devastating lifetime effects on ordinary people, and the dragging of the national pride of a whole country into the sewer.

That man preened at the funeral recently of the same man he shafted years before, simply because as an honest man, he presented a threat to everything rotten that Bertie stood for.

I like this idea, it has serious potential, any suggestions on punishments for Bertie, we know he's a liar because he lied under oath.

bmaxi wrote: »

I bet he'd get in. Being a crook, having one in the family or freely associating with them, seems to be a plus on your political C.V. Of course, a dim witted, parochially minded, stuck in the past electorate, does no harm either.

Great post, explains Ireland to a T

gearoidc

HydeRoad wrote: »

If he is still TD for Dublin North Central, what the bloody hell is he doing swanning round South America on lucrative speaking engagements??? Can we deduct that from his TD's salary???

The one thing that sickens me about media coverage of this recession, more than anything, is the complete absence of mention of Bertie's name as architect of this fine mess. EVERYONE who is culpable for this property bubble and subsequent burst, was appointed and rode high under Bertie's watch.

His ugly, sneering face for me personifies everything that is sick and corrupt about modern Ireland, from the greed, to the lies, to the spin, to the dirty deals, to the promotion of sharks, to the shafting of good people, to the culture of a life lived purely and ruthlessly in pursuit of money and power, no matter how many people are trampled on along the way.

VOMIT!

Well said. You've articulated perfectly the sense of frustration/fury that fella provokes in me.
It was remarked upon in the tv biog how he was expert at keeping his head down, biding his time during power struggles. Keepin his head down again now. "The most cunning, the most devious of them all"
If he gets president of this fukked up, joke republic of ours we deserve to be re-planted.

Frank007

he is 2-1 with PP to be the next president of ireland, can't see anybody else beating him

dave-higgz

Frank007 wrote: »

he is 2-1 with PP to be the next president of ireland, can't see anybody else beating him

Well depending on the Mahon Tribunal report and depending on how our economic woes play out we could well have a descent challenger to Bertie by 2011.
Also the electorate could still be very bitter about the problems he caused.
The upturn may not have even begun by 2011!

Besides, what's the worst he can do as president?

bmaxi

dave-higgz wrote: »

Besides, what's the worst he can do as president?

Be President.

Pride Fighter

Frank007 wrote: »

he is 2-1 with PP to be the next president of ireland, can't see anybody else beating him

Dick Spring, Alan Dukes, anybody but that corrupt slimeball Bertie.

deadhead13

Frank007 wrote: »

he is 2-1 with PP to be the next president of ireland, can't see anybody else beating him

Politcally Bertie is damaged goods. I would bet any odds that he won't even be FFs candidate for the presidency. He will not escape Mahon untouched and when the judgment comes down the media will absolutely hammer him. His legacy will be sealed.

FF will not want the scandal replayed all over again 2 years later, especially since so many them have compromised themselves in slavishly defending the indefensible. A safe option will be found - just like McAeesle getting the nod over Reynolds.

Pub07

cm2000 wrote: »

He is not disgraced. He has not been found guilty of any wrongdoing by any court or tribunal.

Thats because the political/justice system is a complete joke in this country. No one with money/power ever gets punished. The defence he gave for the money he received was like something some knacker crime boss in Dublin would say - 'I won it on the horses'. 'I didn't have a bank account', for fook sake I had a bank account when I was 10 years of age, this is a grown man who was job at the time was one of the most important in the country and was directly related to banking, how the fook could he not have a bank account?? Who, over the age of 18 doesn't have a bank account?

He should've been charged with fraud, corruption, whatever, his laughable defences (and they literally had people laughing in the tribunal gallery) wouldn't wash in properly run court of law. But as this is Ireland he'll probably be our next President.

Pride Fighter

It would probably be a good thing if he ran for President. It could be Brian Lenihan snr all over again.

deadhead13

Pride Fighter wrote: »

It would probably be a good thing if he ran for President. It could be Brian Lenihan snr all over again.

I for one, would like to see him try and fail miserably - a fitting end.

Kazu

you can be as corrupt as you want in his country if you have power and money

people will still vote for these people because there hot FF and will not vote any other way which is pretty sad :rolleyes:

the people in mayo voted for B Flynn is beyound a joke

and bertie is dodgy, has not be found guilty of anything and never will be

and these tribunals are another joke we hear of all the wrong doings so we can rant and moan on forums like his till where blue in the face.

can anyone name one TD or big businessman that has gone to jail in the last ten years

Frank007

Liam Lawlor and Joe higgins (for very different reasons)

gurramok

Liam Lawlor - contempt of court proceedings investigating corruption(tribunal)
Joe Higgins - Protesting against Bin tax if memory is correct

Liam Byrne

There is absolutely no point us bitching here about Bertie's wrongdoing and -at best - conflicting half-truths.....not when you consider that we had to pay for a STATE FUNERAL for the ride-the-public scumbag that taught him everything that he knows AND - if you remember - called him "the most cunning, ruthless and devious of them all" [ what passes for praise / tribute and recommendation in Fianna Failure ]

Capt'n Midnight

Deedsie wrote: »

Is there a chance he'll be held untill Gerry Adams runs for President?

Are you serious ?
That's pure FUD even if the main vote was split three ways Adams still wouldn't have a chance.

MIN2511

Bertie will be back in Politics in no time same way Beverley Flynn did. And when he does we will all congratulate him and pretend like he did nothing.....
Shame tbh

jimmmy

Pride Fighter wrote: »

It would probably be a good thing if he ran for President.

Best thing would be to abolish the post of President. Quarter the pensions + perks of ex-presidents. Our public finances are bad enough. They cost us millions annually. A Taoiseach / Prime Minister costs us more than enough.

diverdriver

I really hope he doesn't come back. My only hope about this mess we're in now is that finally the scales will fall from the eyes of the deluded people in this country who put FF back in power again and again in spite of the obvious fact that they are corrupt and incompetant.

He is disgraced and is as culpable as any in the current FF regime. I look forward to the day when I can say it to his face. Which at least is possible in Ireland.

One of the problems with these people, Ahearn, both Flynns and all the others whether we know about them or not is that they honestly don't believe they did anything wrong. They are so corrupt, they think it's their entitlement.

TGPS

newtlover wrote: »

will he run for president ?

mayor of dublin

or europe

The first one without a shadow of a doubt - read his bio and you'll see that the attraction of being President for the centenary of 1916 and (if relected) the centenary of the founding of the State will be too much for him to resist!!

www.thisgruntledpublicservant.blogspot.com

Sir Oxman

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ionapaul

MIN2511 wrote: »

Bertie will be back in Politics in no time same way Beverley Flynn did. And when he does we will all congratulate him and pretend like he did nothing.....
Shame tbh

I actually doubt it - he would be most divisive President imaginable (well, maybe not as much as Gerry Adams), a very significant minority of people DESPISE him. The thought of him as head of state of this country makes me shake with anger. It would take the mother of all economic recoveries just for the average smuck to forget about his corruption and lies - and that just isn't happening.

Capt'n Midnight

jimmmy wrote: »

Best thing would be to abolish the post of President. Quarter the pensions + perks of ex-presidents. Our public finances are bad enough. They cost us millions annually. A Taoiseach / Prime Minister costs us more than enough.

Only if yes men like Lenihan had got in. The president has a small role in keeping an eye on that crowd down in Leinster House. Reducing the salary / expenses / tax breaks / previlages of the Leinster House crowd would be a better option.

Actually with the banking situation the way it is maybe they should take back the old Parliament that BoI are using as colleteral on the cash injection to the banks ?

Dannyboy83

LoveDucati2 wrote: »

Honestly, what do you expect when he was tutored by that f*ckin scumbag Haughey.

He is a serving TD, where the f*ck is he, has he taken personal leave to head off to Central America, or is he representing us on how to F*ck up properly.

He should be put against the wall in Kilmainham and shot.

Being shot in Kilmainham would tend to confer patriot status upon him.

Even Robert Mugabe would have a little chuckle if you called Bertie a patriot.

CAN ANYBODY REMEMBER HOW SPRINGFIELD GET THEIR OWN BACK ON THE MONO-RAIL MAN?

hughs

cm2000 wrote: »

He is not disgraced. He has not been found guilty of any wrongdoing by any court or tribunal.

You must have FF in your blood if you really believe this. There is no question but Bertie is a disgraced politician and I am not talking about any money he may or may not have received.

newtlover

Wheely

Kazu wrote: »

can anyone name one TD or big businessman that has gone to jail in the last ten years

liam lawlor did a few weeks for contempt!

Dannyboy83

Wheely wrote: »

liam lawlor did a few weeks for contempt!

What was the name of that gobshine that had his license reoked, the minister who did the drink driving ad, then got caught ghost driving by the law down some dual carraigeway. I don't think he even had a suspended sentence.

ROTFLMFAO:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

deadhead13

Ray "Rambo" Burke - 6 months for tax evasion.

Former FF press officer Frank Dunlop is on his way.

deadhead13

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

What was the name of that gobshine that had his license reoked, the minister who did the drink driving ad, then got caught ghost driving by the law down some dual carraigeway. I don't think he even had a suspended sentence.

ROTFLMFAO:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Dr. Jim McDaid

Seth Brundle

tsk tsk - all of yis picking on a pensioner!

Liam Byrne

kbannon wrote: »

tsk tsk - all of yis picking on a pensioner!

Unfortunately, given the way they give themselves their pensions, that pretty much describes them all.....it's only us plebs who'll have to wait til we're 65 or more.....

deadhead13

kbannon wrote: »

tsk tsk - all of yis picking on a pensioner!

Which extremely well paid pensioner are you refering to?

portomar

cm2000 wrote: »

He is not disgraced. He has not been found guilty of any wrongdoing by any court or tribunal.

i agree in principle. he has disgraced myself in my view by his management of the economy during the boom times leading us to our current fiduciary situation. i heard one of the social partners speaking off record said going into meetings with bertie was like going to 'an atm machine'. his government spent all the tax made on stamp duty during the height of the housing boom on hiring people in the public sector, that was pointed out at the time by economists working for ibec among others. now we are running a monstrous deficit trying to cover the pay of these same people. it was an act of financial suicide which is only coming home to roost now. he's disgraced because of that, alleged corrupt payments are chicken feed by comparison. if this was a SE asian country, he'd be on trial along with the rest of his former government for financial treason.