So, Biffo wants a carbon tax?

JonnyMaguire

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/cowen-hints-at-further-taxes-and-dismisses-health-rumours-1659034.html

Looks like Biffo wants to "pull the trigger" on a carbon tax. Now am I the only one who can see straight through this scam??

You pay us, and we will protect you from the boogie man.

And they say the days of criminal extortion are gone!

funk-you

I think we should bring in a biffo tax. Nobody likes Offaly anyway.

-Funk

cashville

It wouldn't be such a blatant scam if the money was put into research for green technology or something to that effect. But I think we can safely say that won't happen.

They'll come up with anything.

JonnyMaguire

cashville wrote: »

It wouldn't be such a blatant scam if the money was put into research for green technology or something to that effect. But I think we can safely say that won't happen.

They'll come up with anything.

You got that right.

Where is the money going?

"oh, we are buying "off sets in India for you little people".

Global warming is a scam, and CO2 is an essential life sustaining gas.

I would have thought the people would have finally realised, the big boys are not there to look after you.

ART6

When other countries are dealing with the recession by reducing taxation to stimulate their economies, what does our government do?

Quazzie

If their is a carbon tax being introduced then that means we are putting too much CO2 into the air, which is possible, but wouldn't that make Ireland, or at least Dublin a smoggy place? If this is the case and there is a tax required then why aren't the trees being planted in Ireland to offset this here, and not in India? We could offset by planting trees here and also contribute to our forrest industries as a side effect.

JonnyMaguire

ART6 wrote: »

When other countries are dealing with the recession by reducing taxation to stimulate their economies, what does our government do?

What have you been reading?

All other countries are also increasing taxes and introducing a carbon tax. When little O'bama says "we are all in this togeather, we all have to carry a bigger burden", what do you think he is getting at?


Same with Gordy Brown, all in it togeather. Well I tell you something, we were not all in it togeather a few years ago, were we?

Robbo

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

Global warming is a scam, and CO2 is an essential life sustaining gas.

I would have thought the people would have finally realised, the big boys are not there to look after you.

Care to prove your point in a sealed chamber?

JonnyMaguire

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

If their is a carbon tax being introduced then that means we are putting too much CO2 into the air, which is possible, but wouldn't that make Ireland, or at least Dublin a smoggy place? If this is the case and there is a tax required then why aren't the trees being planted in Ireland to offset this here, and not in India? We could offset by planting trees here and also contribute to our forrest industries as a side effect.

Your whole argument is founded on a fallacy. Global warming is a con.

JonnyMaguire

Robbo wrote: »

Care to prove your point in a sealed chamber?

Hhheee heee hhee. Funny, a very witty retort.

Go and drink 10 gallons of water. What is it with people and their childish arguments.

Fad

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

Global warming is a con.

Yeah its all just fiction:pac:

Did you sign up just to get say that?

JonnyMaguire

Fad wrote: »

Yeah its all just fiction:pac:

Did you sign up just to get say that?

From someone who would know a bit more than us.

“The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.” Adolf Hitler

Fad

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

What is it with people and their childish arguments.

This IS after hours...........

Ironbars

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

From someone who would know a bit more than us.

“The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.” Adolf Hitler

...............

Quazzie

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

Your whole argument is founded on a fallacy. Global warming is a con.

Read through my post again, notice the ifs and possibles and keep in mind that I am actually questioning the need for such a tax. It might prove a different read this time

ArmaniJeanss

Fad wrote: »

Did you sign up yet again just to get say that?

fyp.

Big Wave

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

Biffo

Who?

thelordofcheese

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

From someone who would know a bit more than us.

“The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.” Adolf Hitler

Well, Hitler is a polarising man, but i did find his paper on the causes of global warming to be very thought provoking.

Ironbars

Big Wave wrote: »

Who?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhYb6ZM-vds

JonnyMaguire

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Well, Hitler is a polarising man, but i did find his paper on the causes of global warming to be very thought provoking.

Same old tricks. And the little people still swallow the bait.

These Jap fellas did have something to say recently, although I can't recall RTE covering the article. Surprise that.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/25/jstor_climate_report_translation/

ShooterSF

Lets be realistic for once this isnt FF its those god damn tree hugging hippies greens.
I believe scientists when they offer ideas of what climate change is and how its happening but enviro-freaks will lie through their teeth for what they think is the greater good. Then were forced to share their priorities :rolleyes:

Fad

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

Same old tricks. And the little people still swallow the bait.

These Jap fellas did have something to say recently, although I can't recall RTE covering the article. Surprise that.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/25/jstor_climate_report_translation/

And you believed that?

GTFO,

Global warming is natural yes, but CO2 emissions are accelerating the problem.

JonnyMaguire

ShooterSF wrote: »

Lets be realistic for once this isnt FF its those god damn tree hugging hippies greens.

Very naive of you. This is a world wide agenda. The environmental movement is a basis for totalitarian control, it is not there to save the whales.

ShooterSF wrote: »

I believe scientists when they offer ideas of what climate change is and how its happening :rolleyes:

I assume you are talking about the weather. As an aboriginal who has never worn a white coat and you will find he knows plenty about the weather.

JonnyMaguire

Fad wrote: »

And you believed that?

GTFO,

Global warming is natural yes, but CO2 emissions are accelerating the problem.

If I had the mentality of your beloved leaders, I would set up a greening chairty to rip off "willing fools" who share these opinions.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8929

Fad

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

If I had the mentality of your beloved leaders, I would set up a greening chairty to rip of "willing fools" who share these opinions.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8929

"Canada Free Press" yes I'm so going to doubtlessly accept anything I read on that.

Why dont you post here

Ironbars

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

If I had the mentality of your beloved leaders, I would set up a greening chairty to rip of "willing fools" who share these opinions.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8929

Any more hitler quotes?

Dubh Geannain

A hot air tax would be more appropriate (it directly affects temperatures). FF would tax themselves out of government.

It also causes those of us sick of listening to spouted hot air to heat up with anger and frustration giving us the illusion of global warming.

ShooterSF

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

Very naive of you. This is a world wide agenda. The environmental movement is a basis for totalitarian control, it is not there to save the whales.

(I assume thats sarcasm )

I assume you are talking about the weather. As an aboriginal who has never worn a white coat and you will find he knows plenty about the weather.

Did you just move my roll-eyes? How dare you! Though you were prob only protecting the environment Its not as easy as asking about the weather unfortunately. Climate does change outside of our control, what were being told is the swings are warmer in general. Though I think scientists are still learning new things and I trust their research. However what I dont like are the Al Gores and such who will select the findings to back their totalatarianism (sp?) beliefs.

zod

does your aluminium foil hat itch much ?

JonnyMaguire

Ironbars wrote: »

Any more hitler quotes?

"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony...
climate change provides the greatest opportunity to
bring about justice and equality in the world."
- Christine Stewart,
fmr Canadian Minister of the Environment

"The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
- Club of Rome,
premier environmental think-tank
consultants to the United Nations

Ironbars

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony...
climate change provides the greatest opportunity to
bring about justice and equality in the world."
- Christine Stewart,
fmr Canadian Minister of the Environment

"The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
- Club of Rome,
premier environmental think-tank
consultants to the United Nations

Thanks
Herr Johnny

JonnyMaguire

ShooterSF wrote: »

Climate does change outside of our control,.

You got that right.

ShooterSF wrote: »

what were being told is the swings are warmer in general. Though I think scientists are still learning new things and I trust their research. .

Scientists will do and prommote whatever pays well. End of story.

thelordofcheese

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

Same old tricks. And the little people still swallow the bait.

These Jap fellas did have something to say recently, although I can't recall RTE covering the article. Surprise that.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/25/jstor_climate_report_translation/

I love it when someone like you decides to 'prove' that global warming is a scam by linking to one article and shrieking "SEEE!!!!", while ignoring the mountain of peer reviewed papers that say otherwise.

No doubt it's all part of the elaborate scam only you can percieve because, well, you're so damn clever. I mean if we obviously are in need of a man as enlightened and wise as you.

Fad

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony...
climate change provides the greatest opportunity to
bring about justice and equality in the world."
- Christine Stewart,
fmr Canadian Minister of the Environment

"The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
- Club of Rome,
premier environmental think-tank
consultants to the United Nations

Why are you bothering? No one cares here.

Heroditas

I wonder how much they'll lash onto our energy bills?

There are carbon taxes already for large users of electricity such as factories.

I'd have no major problem if there was a "levy" of a couple of % on my gas and electricity bills if it was guaranteed to be used wisely on such schemes as upgrading the whole network (this is being done anyway) and investing in far more renewable technologies. The government is committed to 30% green energy - they should aim for as high and sustainable a figure as possible.
It'll create jobs and also put more money into the country due to the decrease in importing gas and oil.

JonnyMaguire

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I love it when someone like you decides to 'prove' that global warming is a scam by linking to one article and shrieking "SEEE!!!!", while ignoring the mountain of peer reviewed papers that say otherwise.

Peer reviewed. Name a man who was not paid to peer review.

thelordofcheese wrote: »

. I mean if we obviously are in need of a man as enlightened and wise as you.

You need something alright. Your current leaders are just at the moment designing a financial trap that you will never be able to pay off.

JonnyMaguire

Heroditas wrote: »

I wonder how much they'll lash onto our energy bills?.

In ten years you will not be able to heat your house or run a car.

Heroditas wrote: »

I'd have no major problem if there was a "levy" of a couple of % on my gas and electricity bills if it was guaranteed to be used wisely .

And how many times must you get burnt?

Ironbars

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

You need something alright. Your current leaders are just at the moment designing a financial trap that you will never be able to pay off.

Not your leaders? Who do you answer to comrade

JonnyMaguire

Fad wrote: »

Why are you bothering? No one cares here.

Oh, I know no one cares.

Sure Friends repeats are still being shown every evening. What more could the little people want?

Ironbars

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

In ten years you will not be able to heat your house or run a car.

Dung dung dung dung sung herr johnny

JonnyMaguire

Ironbars wrote: »

Not your leaders? Who do you answer to comrade

I answer to no one.

Maybe you require leadership, I don't.

thelordofcheese

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

Peer reviewed. Name a man who was not paid to peer review.

So, basically, the scientific method is wrong, therefore, scientists can't be trusted.
Yet you're willing to cite scientists from japan to back up your innane drivel.

Good lord, you really do believe the shit your bleating on about, don't you.

ShooterSF

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

Scientists will do and prommote whatever pays well. End of story.

Im sure some will. Unfortunately too many suggest we do have an impact to believe theyre all on the payroll. Again I don't think we make anywhere near the impact eco-freaks like to claim and I am very anti-green because of the way they try to force their priorities on everyone else. TBH the guys disgust me but science has held itself up alot better in its history than hippies so I'm more inclined to listen to their theories.

Heroditas

JonnyMaguire wrote: »

And how many times must you get burnt?

Indeed! Gombeen politics and vested interests rule the roost in this country

Nehaxak

Oh good God, some people still believe in all this man made global warming crap ? :rolleyes:

I've had a lot of private correspondance with this guy in the past, great understanding of it all and I'd encourage anyone who even has the slightest doubt to read what he has wrote in the past and contact him directly if so desired, he's a fair decent guy to debate with...

Christopher Monckton (A "Lord" no less...)

http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm

I've also attached a document he sent me with follow-up rebuttals and his own reply to same, which I found a good read.

Enjoy...

nice1franko

none yous nonbeliever cnuts are getting on my boat when the ice melts.

nice1franko

Nehaxak wrote: »

Oh good God, some people still believe in all this man made global warming crap ? :rolleyes:

I've had a lot of private correspondance with this guy in the past, great understanding of it all and I'd encourage anyone who even has the slightest doubt to read what he has wrote in the past and contact him directly if so desired, he's a fair decent guy to debate with...

Christopher Monckton (A "Lord" no less...)

http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm

I've also attached a document he sent me with follow-up rebuttals and his own reply to same, which I found a good read.

Enjoy...

Where he says:

κS= TS/ (4FC)≈ 288 / (4 x 236) ≈ 0.305 °K W–1 m2

it should be:

κS= TS/ (4FC)≈ 288 / (4 x 236) ≈ 0.305 °K W–1 m3

See that? It's not squared, it's CUBED.

CUBED

Turns the whole thing on its head.

Puddleduck

nice1franko wrote: »

none yous nonbeliever cnuts are getting on my boat when the ice melts.

Where you gunna go when the sun burns your skin off.

Im thinking itll be like the film waterworld...Im gunna work on my swimming

Fad

He gets all is knowledge from his conservative media, which is basically infallible. Dont doubt him guys.


Also OP, if you could run the country better, why dont you try? Like you have ALL the RIGHT answers, go for it................

JonnyMaguire

Fad wrote: »

Also OP, if you could run the country better, why dont you try? Like you have ALL the RIGHT answers, go for it................

Because "daddy" is not an ex TD.

nice1franko

Puddleduck wrote: »

Where you gunna go when the sun burns your skin off.

wtf have you never heard of sombreros