Box Mags, Aegs and Support guns

Brabazone

I am thinking about buying a Support gun and posted a new thread for opinions on the gun of my choice. Thing is one of the guys mentioned the dislike for box mags on aeg's. I didn't want to get bogged down with the rights and wrongs of Box Mags so I thought I would start a new thread to ask before I buy.

In your opinion, what do you think,

1 Is it acceptable to use box mags on Aegs?

2 Is it only acceptable to use box mags on Support guns?

3 Should they be banned for play altogether?

Hivemind187

... here we go again.

DEX!! Where art thou?

Stercus Accidit

A box mag turns an aeg into a hose, and you dont get to reload, ever, and it rattles.


Now you know the shocking truth!

Necron99

Its "personal prefrence" if you want to use a box mag on an AEG no one else should be able to you otherwise unless its,

A: a league game

or

B: a Milsim game with retricted loadout

for general skirmish whatever you want to use is fine In my Opinion
My Three Fiddy.

gerrowadat

What that guy said. They certainly shouldn't be 'banned', and it's a matter of personal choice.

Using midcaps involves more skill and ammo conservation, but some people aren't into that. Most of the time if you go to a site it's a skirmish, which is pretty much every man for himself and spraying, so it's not that big a deal.

Chuck the Buck

Box mags suck the joy out of airsoft!

On a support gun they're fine, but a high cap would be better, but on a 'normal' aeg (M4, G36 etc) they make the Baby Jesus Cry. And when the Baby Jesus Crys Willie O'Dea AND Charlton Heston come after you!!!!! :pac::D:p:)

NakedDex

Hivemind187 wrote: »

... here we go again.

DEX!! Where art thou?

/crashes into room wearing a dirty vest
"Holly! I'm here baby"

Ok, here's the skinny with box mags in general. The general consensus among airsofters is (as I'm sure the poll will reflect) they're fine on proper support guns but not anything else. "Proper support guns" does not include an M16 or a SCAR-L just because "they're long barrel guns" (silly as it sounds, I've heard that argument). A support gun is the likes of an M249, M60, Mk43, RPD (AK lovers, correct me there if needs be, I know one of the designations similar to, or indeed that one, isn't a support variant really) etc. Big, heavy, cumbersome are the hallmarks of a support gun.

Personally speaking, I loathe the yokes. I've bought a CMag to see try it out. I hated it and I felt like I was cheating just having it. I find it promotes a hose-down type of play that just ruins the game for everyone but the owner of said box mag. At least with a support gun the trade off is the sheer size and weight, an MP5 with a box is just outright p***-taking.
I'm easily the most vocal opponent to their use in anything other than support guns, but others agree. I will never presume to stop someone using one on any aeg, but I will sit out any game where a player is using one on anything other than a proper support gun, be they on my team or my opponents. It sickens me to see them used and how much they degrade what is potentially a good game into a "who has the most ammo" stand-off.

With that all said, it's your choice, but I'd implore you to avoid box mags on regular aegs at least.

Incidentally, for those ready to criticise me, I voted for "support guns only" not that they're totally unacceptable.

birdman 1979

I dont think that box mags belong on assault AEGs, but its up to the person. If you want a BB hose and you enjoy fireing of 3000+ bb a day, thats your choice.

I use a 416 with mid caps for most of my outings, but i also have a para with a box mag that i use of and on, when i feel like letting off some steam:D. I would never mix the two eg put a box mag on my 416.

johnboyire

you should have "box mags are acceptable on any aeg" etc. otherwise the poll is one sided, what your asking with those choices is what is the level of unaceptability for box mags.

theres two types of game types, skirmishes - realativley short games no ammo/aeg restrictions which tend to have full on gameplay with more action,

and then there is mil-sim, more tactical play,much longer games and limits on ammo and equipment.

seeing as the majority of games played are skirmishes there should be no restrictions on what you use. i have played on sides and won against sides that used alot of box mags so its not the world beating rain of bbs that people talk about. a sniper with one bb can take out someone with a box mag.

when are people going to discuss somthing different, like should people be allowed to use mid-caps in skirmishes rather than mil-sim then moan about other people not using them when they get beaten :rolleyes:

senordingdong

Sure why bother with the AEGS?

Just throw bottles of bbs at one another.
Infact keep them in the bottles.
Better still, cut out the middle man and just throw the money you would spend on bbs, at one another.

Masada

I sure as hell done like box mags on AEG's, but i wouldn't ban them, as much as i hate "Airsoft Painting".

What box maggers make up in ammo, they lack in experience.,

Bernie Mac

Masada wrote: »

I sure as hell done like box mags on AEG's, but i wouldn't ban them, as much as i hate "Airsoft Painting".

What box maggers make up in ammo, they lack in experience.,

in my experience that is exactly the way i feel about it. usually the people running around with box mags slapped onto an m4 are usually in experinced and feel the need to carry a days worth of skirmishing in bbs in one box mag :P

Tov

Though I know it will never happen, I'd personally like to see everyone go one step further and only use midcaps.
Apart from not sounding like a maraca as you run around, I actually get a bit of a thrill from knowing that I could run out of ammo at any time, and having to replace mags in a hurry.

Though I will admit, they are a pain in the hoop to reload after every game.

Busta Hyman

senordingdong wrote: »

Just throw bottles of bbs at one another.
Infact keep them in the bottles.

you have to keep the bottle at under 1j which means 6fps for a 300 round bottle of .20 and you better stick to it with or without doppler or we kick you in the nutz

senordingdong wrote: »

Better still, cut out the middle man and just throw the money you would spend on bbs, at one another.

i feel range might be an issue € notes have bad trajectories

Brabazone

johnboyire wrote: »

you should have "box mags are acceptable on any aeg" etc. otherwise the poll is one sided, what your asking with those choices is what is the level of unaceptability for box mags.

theres two types of game types, skirmishes - realativley short games no ammo/aeg restrictions which tend to have full on gameplay with more action,

and then there is mil-sim, more tactical play,much longer games and limits on ammo and equipment.

seeing as the majority of games played are skirmishes there should be no restrictions on what you use. i have played on sides and won against sides that used alot of box mags so its not the world beating rain of bbs that people talk about. a sniper with one bb can take out someone with a box mag.

when are people going to discuss somthing different, like should people be allowed to use mid-caps in skirmishes rather than mil-sim then moan about other people not using them when they get beaten :rolleyes:

Your right johnboyire I should have included "box mags are acceptable on any aeg", thought of it alright but only after I had posted the Thread. Sorry bout that.

Hivemind187

Actually ... am I alone in feeling like a utter gimp if I use more than 1000rounds (3x300 round loadouts) in a days skirmish using a carbine?

Busta Hyman

tbh my usage is directly linked to my mood and the ppl playing (ie non hit taking = more bbs used)

johnboyire

Brabazone wrote: »

Your right johnboyire I should have included "box mags are acceptable on any aeg", thought of it alright but only after I had posted the Thread. Sorry bout that.

its not that big a deal anyway, until the next one of these treads appears that is

gerrowadat

TheDOC shows us his true allegiances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71A9emrPxEA

Lemming

Box mags = support weapons only.

And in order for the AEG (or GBB if you fancy buying an escort system housed inside an Inokatsu M60 shell ... oh god yes heh heh heh) to qualify as a support weapon the following equation holds true:

For end of game x, where p is pain, enjoyment is e, and the weight of the support gun is represented as ws;

e = p/x * ws/x

in other words ... unless your arms are falling off you by the end of it, it wasn't fun. And it wasn't a support weapon (and ABS is for pussies).


Remember kids, just say no to box mags that aren't on support guns.
This has been a support-gun-lovers party broadcast message.

senordingdong

Well, looks like we'll have to keep judging quietly from the distance untill box maggers get the point.

Stercus Accidit

Box mags ruined my support gun!

I have a lovely rpk (for dex. rpd is the belt fed proper s.a.w., rpk is a hevy barreled rifle with reinforcements, theres a new t.l.a. for that now too, oh the pedantry of it all), and the worst part of it is the stupid drum mag.

If I could buy 5 drums, each holding 300 bbs I would, If I could get some long 7.62 ak mags, in mid caps, I would, I may buy a real rpk74 flash hider, and sell on the fcuking drum altogether, and use long ak74 mid caps.

I hate drums, they are crap and rattle, they jam, I dont get to reload with a nice click clack, I don't have to worry bout ammo, I don't carry ammo bar the drum, its just honestly, the worst airsoft item I own.


A box magger on the other team will wreck the head, but fcuk it, load a fresh mid cap and shoot the lad, a box mag on MY gun, is the worst thing ever.

spicymchaggis

only gun i have with a box mag is my 249 but most of the bb's that have been used to keep people at bay or their heads down while the rest of the team makes its move, ie a support gunner, cause the other team knows its gonna be a while before u have to reload, box mags have a use, but yeah ive seen some that are beyond takin the piss, seen a guy dual wieldin 2 stubbys with c-mags

Tigger

Lemming wrote: »

Box mags = support weapons only.

And in order for the AEG (or GBB if you fancy buying an escort system housed inside an Inokatsu M60 shell ... oh god yes heh heh heh) to qualify as a support weapon the following equation holds true:

For end of game x, where p is pain, enjoyment is e, and the weight of the support gun is represented as ws;

e = p/x * ws/x

in other words ... unless your arms are falling off you by the end of it, it wasn't fun. And it wasn't a support weapon (and ABS is for pussies).


Remember kids, just say no to box mags that aren't on support guns.
This has been a support-gun-lovers party broadcast message.

i agree
being a support gunner is about pumping sweat and bbs in equal volume

NakedDex

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

(for dex. rpd is the belt fed proper s.a.w., rpk is a hevy barreled rifle with reinforcements, theres a new t.l.a. for that now too, oh the pedantry of it all)

Nice one, I wasn't sure whether it was the K or the D (looking back I was right with the D). I knew one was basically an AK version of a HBar (ie not a support gun, just a bigger gun). Didn't you mod a box mag for that RPK to hold just 3/400 rounds?

Stercus Accidit

NakedDex wrote: »

Nice one, I wasn't sure whether it was the K or the D (looking back I was right with the D). I knew one was basically an AK version of a HBar (ie not a support gun, just a bigger gun). Didn't you mod a box mag for that RPK to hold just 3/400 rounds?

Yeah but it was still electric, and crap if I'm honest, still wound and all that, it was just a hopper mod really.

What I want, nay, need, is some clever sort to produce a long flexible low friction tube of internal diameter 6.5mm and an equally long spring and follower, and allow us to coil it in a drum mag body, creating uber mid caps.

Where could I get such tubing? And springs?

The drum itself is very expensive though, star auto-winder, and I never liked it.

Sod'o swords

I feel bad using hi-caps.

I'd die inside if i used a drum/box mag.

But as said before, on a hefty support gun, it's allowed.
otherwise no, just no.

Masada

Sam, You need a visit to B&Q or any plumbing shop, they have pipe of all diameters and you can even get it bent there.
They use this long spring that they insert into the pipe before bending, this allows the pipe to hold its shape and not to fold. then they just bend it whatever way is needed. the idea your going for would be very easy to do.,

NakedDex

Funny you should mention that, I'm starting to look into doing just that with a couple of M249 box mags. The principle is the same as for yours so if/when I sort out getting some teflon tube and some decent followers made (the follower springs I'm going to have custom made), I'll let you know.

Stercus Accidit

NakedDex wrote: »

Funny you should mention that, I'm starting to look into doing just that with a couple of M249 box mags. The principle is the same as for yours so if/when I sort out getting some teflon tube and some decent followers made (the follower springs I'm going to have custom made), I'll let you know.

Just fired off an e-mail to a spring supplier there funnily enough

Give me a shout in PM, I'm in for springs.

Crave

Ok, I probably get eaten alive for this but, I bought a box mag for my G36:eek: The reason being, what if one day I would like to play a support role, I don't want to have to pay €250 for a support gun I just use the drum mag, and then the next day I go back to my mid caps, I don't even own hi-caps. I just didn't see anyone arguing the c0rner of the guy who can't afford to play support properly but stills wants to. A drum mag is a poor mans support gun.;)

My 2 cents.

StevieGriff

To make it far you could strap a lump of lead to your aeg to represent the weight of a support gun;)

Fallschirmjager

the unmentioned issue with box mags vs support weapons IMHO is as follows

support gunners need a semi fixed location and time to setup. they need mobile flexible support to do so and to provide cover then the courtesy is returned. support gunners are very vulnerable moving, they are after all carrying a big hunk of the highest quality low grade metal china can produce. they are awkward to carry and quite difficult to use like an aeg. this is a good thing. a support gunner in a defensive position is a scary foe, however if they have to move, they are very very vulnerable. so keeping pressure on a fixed site with a support gunner is supposed to force them to move and expose themselves (no not that way, by running).

the issue with box mags is it is fake. it provides the flexibility of an aeg, the speed , the ease of use, the ease of deployment, the ability to jump from support to assault depending on your mood without any of the costs. so it has no disadvantages other then it makes you look like a complete spanner.

personally i dont care what anyone uses but it leads to an incredibly boring game. spare me the 'in the real world there are box mags' story. this is the point of airsoft...it isnt the real world, its a game that is supposed to be fun for all, not some masturbatory computer game kill fest.

just my tuppence worth...

Stercus Accidit

Crave wrote: »

Ok, I probably get eaten alive for this but, I bought a box mag for my G36:eek: The reason being, what if one day I would like to play a support role, I don't want to have to pay €250 for a support gun I just use the drum mag, and then the next day I go back to my mid caps, I don't even own hi-caps. I just didn't see anyone arguing the c0rner of the guy who can't afford to play support properly but stills wants to. A drum mag is a poor mans support gun.;)

My 2 cents.

What in your mind is a support gun then?

Because it isnt just the ability to spray lots of bbs at people.


Stick some legs on that aeg, and strap some rocks to it and maybe write "saw" on the rocks, so people know what you are at.

NakedDex

Crave wrote: »

Ok, I probably get eaten alive for this but, I bought a box mag for my G36:eek: The reason being, what if one day I would like to play a support role, I don't want to have to pay €250 for a support gun I just use the drum mag, and then the next day I go back to my mid caps, I don't even own hi-caps. I just didn't see anyone arguing the c0rner of the guy who can't afford to play support properly but stills wants to. A drum mag is a poor mans support gun.;)

My 2 cents.

You see, the problem there is it's a desperately unfair advantage. What a support gunner gains in capacity, they lose in maneuverabilty and accuracy through using a bulky, heavy and long rifle. A box mag on a G36c is just as compact and maneuverable, while also still maintaining accuracy. You could clear a tight killhouse or crawl under a vehicle using that, not something you can do with a proper support gun. Taking a SAW into an occupied killhouse is suicide, that's an assaulters job using more compact rifles, just like that G36c. It's just as ridiculous as a box on an MP5K or an M4 Stubby Killer.
Support gunnery is a style of play which is adapted around the support gun you use. Slapping a box onto a sub or carbine does not make you a support gunner, it makes you a hose.

Hivemind187

NakedDex wrote: »

You see, the problem there is it's a desperately unfair advantage. What a support gunner gains in capacity, they lose in maneuverabilty and accuracy through using a bulky, heavy and long rifle. A box mag on a G36c is just as compact and maneuverable, while also still maintaining accuracy. You could clear a tight killhouse or crawl under a vehicle using that, not something you can do with a proper support gun. Taking a SAW into an occupied killhouse is suicide, that's an assaulters job using more compact rifles, just like that G36c. It's just as ridiculous as a box on an MP5K or an M4 Stubby Killer.
Support gunnery is a style of play which is adapted around the support gun you use. Slapping a box onto a sub or carbine does not make you a support gunner, it makes you a hose.

Too bloody right.

I'm a support gunner and let me tell you its heart breaking to carry an M249 Mk I around for a day, trying to find a defensible position to set up so as to provide covering fire for your mates. You dont get the kills. You get sod all glory.

What you do get is a bad back, plenty of respect from your team mates and a pain in the face from shouting enemy positions.

You also get disheartened when Mr.Numpty McBoxmag shows up with a stubby killer or a G36c and C-Mag. They fly around the field pissing BB's at the enemy which is something you cant do.

Ok, so in the average skirmish you expect these things. People are like that. It's like typing "idclip" and never bothering to reload in Duke Nukem.

I do think, however, it should be considered "impolite" to rock up with a box-mag on a pea-shooter. Like a social faux-pas for airsofters.

weeder

tbh



ok jokes aside, i use this as my support gun, its based off a realsteel variant of the m16 and i quite like it.
(minus the scope)


do the box hayta's amung us find this acceptable?
im actually considering getting a boxmag and gutting it into a non winding mag for milsim usage but ive not found the time

Lemming

weeder wrote: »

[snip picture of stubby] tbh

Standard response #1: Die. Painfully.

ok jokes aside, i use this as my support gun, its based off a realsteel variant of the m16 and i quite like it.

[snip picture]

do the box hayta's amung us find this acceptable?

Standard response #2: Die.

It's not a support gun. It's an AEG with a box mag. My response would be the same if it was an M16, M4, AK, Gwhatever, MP5, etc. Ok, maybe not quite the same as a stubby with a box mag in which case seee response #1 and run for cover. Quickly.

It doesn't matter what you use, a bipod and a box mag doesn't suddenly make you a support gunner. You can still clear CQB areas, you are still just as maneuverable and fast as your counterpart with a magazine and no bipod. I'll let you carry the pig for all of ten minutes in a skirmish and see how well you fare. Even better, drag your ass to Sweden and hand you the pig to carry for 1 or 2 km in the baking 23 hour sun over demanding terrain whilst carrying 3lt of water and whatever else you need. Anyone want to tell him what that recce up the firebreak was like carrying just an AEG, never mind a support gun?

Hivemind187

Lemming wrote: »

Standard response #1: Die. Painfully.

Agreed. Kill it with fire!

Lemming wrote: »

Standard response #2: Die.

It's not a support gun. It's an AEG with a box mag. My response would be the same if it was an M16, M4, AK, Gwhatever, MP5, etc. Ok, maybe not quite the same as a stubby with a box mag in which case seee response #1 and run for cover. Quickly.

In fairness he has a point.

The M16 HBAR set up is meant to have a heavy barrel and an M60 style bi-pod not to mention a similar mag capacity to the standard model. It's meant for lightweight sustained fire from standard capacity magazines (normal rifle barrels are meant to be used in short bursts at most - open to correction from those with better knowledge).

The fact that C-Mags and boxmags exist in the real world is barely an excuse.

Lemming

Hivemind187 wrote: »

In fairness he has a point.

The M16 HBAR set up is meant to have a heavy barrel and an M60 style bi-pod not to mention a similar mag capacity to the standard model. It's meant for lightweight sustained fire from standard capacity magazines (normal rifle barrels are meant to be used in short bursts at most - open to correction from those with better knowledge).

So a bit like the L86 or Steyr AUG support variants? Both of which use extended magazines, not boxes. I have no problem with someone getting something like this for airsoft, but to slap a box onto it turns it into something it clearly is not meant to be without the drawbacks.

Hivemind187

Lemming wrote: »

So a bit like the L82 or Steyr AUG support variants? Both of which use extended magazines, not boxes. I have no problem with someone getting something like this for airsoft, but to slap a box onto it turns it into something it clearly is not meant to be without the drawbacks.

Exactly.

Plus they are refitted with the heavier barrels, reinforced bodies etc ... think RPK kind of thing.

Spetzcong

NakedDex wrote: »

Funny you should mention that, I'm starting to look into doing just that with a couple of M249 box mags. The principle is the same as for yours so if/when I sort out getting some teflon tube and some decent followers made (the follower springs I'm going to have custom made), I'll let you know.

Let me know how you get on with this, I'd love to convert a drum for my RPK to hold a realistic number of bbs, mostly I just use mid caps in it unless I'm covering a squad support role with it and need the sustained firepower of a fully loaded drum (in which case the rattle doesn't really matter coz you're dead before you've even set up properly without someone covering you), I'd love to have a non-rattley drum for mil-sim games and general skirmishing though.

Also afaik the RPK is used as a squad support weapon in real life, either way my airsoft version only weighs .5 kg less than my M249 so I feel justified using a drum mag on it even if the baby rattle effect does drive me a bit demented. I do wish someone would make an airsoft RPD though.

NakedDex

I thought there was an RPD kit? I was sure I saw one, belt and all. Maybe it was a custom job.

I actually got the tubing today, 1/4" pneumatic line. Have to get out to a spring manufacturer to see about getting one made to suit.

weeder

Hivemind187 wrote: »

Exactly.

Plus they are refitted with the heavier barrels, reinforced bodies etc ... think RPK kind of thing.

its planned for it, well the heavier barrel part

Lemming wrote: »

So a bit like the L82 or Steyr AUG support variants? Both of which use extended magazines, not boxes. I have no problem with someone getting something like this for airsoft, but to slap a box onto it turns it into something it clearly is not meant to be without the drawbacks.

but these do use boxes,perhaps i should have elaborated more on this, its unfinished,when time and cash allows it will have a heavier barrel and an m60 style bipod, personally i disagree with the weight comments myself because its like saying someone with a plastic m4a1 is cheating because his opponent has a G&G m4 with a casv system fitted, that might just be me though.

as for the cmag, im planning on getting a second one for milsim use which will have a 100 round capacity when its done, what the hey ill even add some weight to it.

Personally my opinion on boxes is that they are ok to use in skirmish situations since its not completley realistic anyway with highcaps and whatnot being used but in milsim id be much against it.

Lemming

weeder wrote: »

but these do use boxes,

What's your idea of a box? A magazine is a box y'know ... case in point

L86 LSW wrote:

L86A1 - SA-80 Light Support Weapon (Britain)

[snip picture]

Caliber: 5.56x45mm NATO
Weight: 7.3 kg empty, with SUSAT optical sight
Length: 900 mm
Length of barrel: 646 mm
Feeding: detachable box magazines, 30 rounds
Rate of fire: 610 - 775 rounds/min

Do you have pictures of either L86 LSW or AUG LMGs using box mags as airsofters know them?

personally i disagree with the weight comments myself because its like saying someone with a plastic m4a1 is cheating because his opponent has a G&G m4 with a casv system fitted, that might just be me though.

Some roles just do not suit everyone. Snipers need patience and an ability to sit still, assault players need aggressive manoeuvring, support gunners need the ability to break their backs and still keep moving under the weight, etc.

Some roles just do not suit everyone. Sticking box mags on AEGs gives you a hose, with none of the side effects of a support weapon. If you want to argue that it's perfectly fine to do it, then why aren't you arguing that well ... you'd love to be a sniper too but see, the single shot reload is just a pain so you're going to use an AEG with a box mag, a bipod, and a scope. How silly do you think that argument is? BUT ... BUT ... BUT... my AEG HAS A SCOPE!!! THAT MAKES IT A SNIPER RIFLE! OMGZ

Horses for courses. If you can't either carry the weight or do without the glory of rushing in, then a support role is probably not for you.

Personally my opinion on boxes is that they are ok to use in skirmish situations since its not completley realistic anyway with highcaps and whatnot being used but in milsim id be much against it.

I rate box mags on non-support guns up there with people who willfully do not take hits. They do nothing for the game, they do nothing for your skill, and they do nothing for anybody elses' enjoyment on the day.

weeder

Lemming wrote: »

What's your idea of a box? A magazine is a box y'know ...

Do you have pictures of either L86 LSW or AUG LMGs using box mags?

i meant the m16 there

in essence i think were going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Hivemind187

weeder wrote: »

i meant the m16 there

in essence i think were going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

I dont agree to that!

Necron99

Pistols at dawn it is then sir!!..... I wonder where I can get a drum mag for my glock :pac::P:pac:

Stercus Accidit

Spetzcong wrote: »

Also afaik the RPK is used as a squad support weapon in real life, either way my airsoft version only weighs .5 kg less than my M249 so I feel justified using a drum mag on it even if the baby rattle effect does drive me a bit demented. I do wish someone would make an airsoft RPD though.

It would be yeah, but a real one may hold 75 rounds instead of 30 in 7.62, and in the ak74 it can hold 45 instead of the 30.

To me, I feel wrong slapping in 3000 bb's compared to a 100 round mid, the real steel only has around double the capacity, why should I have 30 times the regular capacity in airsoft.

The pkm would be the lmg, the rpk I suppose is a saw, but more on a par with l85 long variant, mg36 and other largely compatible with regular rifle support guns. I just don't like using a big drum.


Dex, where did you get that tubing? I'm planning on going to a builders or plumbers suppliers next week when I have time.

Brabazone

OK guys, I have a M14 EBR and it weighs a bloody ton, more like a light artillery gun than a infantry rifle, could do with wheels to move it around.

If I put a box mag mag on this am I not taking the P**s, surely the whole idea of support guns is that in real life this is what they were designed for and in airsoft that is what we are trying to replicate, "real life" or as close as we can get to it. Otherwise wouldn't we be all playing paintball:eek:.

Hivemind187

Brabazone wrote: »

OK guys, I have a M14 EBR and it weighs a bloody ton, more like a light artillery gun than a infantry rifle, could do with wheels to move it around.

If I put a box mag mag on this am I not taking the P**s, surely the whole idea of support guns is that in real life this is what they were designed for and in airsoft that is what we are trying to replicate, "real life" or as close as we can get to it. Otherwise wouldn't we be all playing paintball:eek:.

The Mk14 EBR is meant as a tactical battle rifle. It's actual body weighs comparatively little but it's enhanced railed handguard carrys the weight. It's also off balance twoards the front which makes it feel even heavier.

In all the footage I have seen of the real thing it's being used as a marksmans rifle from a stationary position.

Edit: And yes ... it would be taking the piss :P The real thing is in 7.62 NATO and I dont think there is a box mag for the M14