kenny egan

Brainz

lads,

with all the talk in the papers over the weekend and the no show on thursday for his weigh in for ireland v usa is it likely he has decided that the pro route is the one he is going to take -

plus peters has pulled him and taylor off the dunne bill so thats disappointing !!

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...241989950.html

Hangballlouie

Brainz wrote: »

plus peters has pulled him and taylor off the dunne bill so thats disappointing !!

Is this true? Any links to confirm this?

walshb

Brainz wrote: »

lads,

with all the talk in the papers over the weekend and the no show on thursday for his weigh in for ireland v usa is it likely he has decided that the pro route is the one he is going to take -

plus peters has pulled him and taylor off the dunne bill so thats disappointing !!

I was never sold on them being on the O2 show. I think it was all spouted for publicity and promotion. Dunne was obvioulsy lying last night on the Tubridy
show when he said that they were SO close to getting the Chinaman over to
fight Kenny. I don't think that was ever an option. Dunne spoke very well and was very praising towards Katie; he was very coy regarding Kenny's whereabouts.

BTW, Brainz, please provide a link to your thread, something we can use to discuss the topic maybe

Mikel

Agreed he was very complimentary towards Taylor and rightly so obviously.
But you could see he was lying through his teeth when the subject of Egan came up.
Was putting them on the bill just a publicity stunt then?

Hangballlouie

Mikel wrote: »

Agreed he was very complimentary towards Taylor and rightly so obviously.
But you could see he was lying through his teeth when the subject of Egan came up.
Was putting them on the bill just a publicity stunt then?

I don't think it was. From what I have been told, the IABA got a nice big cheque from Peters to allow Katie, Egan and Moylette to fight on the card.
A lot of people on the board, particulary from Dublin clubs were pissed off with the pro-am deal happening.
I think they have become resigned to it, so if the cheque has to go back, then there might be some rows in headquarters.

Hangballlouie

Kenny's latest offering.

http://twitter.com/kennyEgan

And he also posted this photo which suggests he is in the States.

http://twitpic.com/1rwd7

wtf?

Hangballlouie

Just a couple of minutes ago, some sent Kenny a message asking him,

"What's the big secret."

Kenny's reply

http://twitter.com/kennyEgan

Mikel

hangballlouie wrote: »

Kenny's latest offering.
http://twitter.com/kennyEgan
And he also posted this photo which suggests he is in the States.
http://twitpic.com/1rwd7
wtf?

Well that clears that up, he's an attention whore trying to create controversy and publicity.
I think we can safely say that if he had a genuine reason for his absence and hanging the team he captains out to dry he wouldn't be posting what he thinks are cryptic messages.
Methinks the attention has gone to Kenny's head........ 'keeping it real' indeed

The best thing is to ignore him, he's a twat

sston

walshb wrote: »

Dunne was obvioulsy lying last night

Very serious allegation to make on a public forum. Especially surprised at a mod making a statement like this.

maxxie

Whats this? A witch hunt? Give it a rest!
You dont no the facts so dont speculate!

sston

Mikel wrote: »

But you could see he was lying through his teeth when the subject of Egan came up. Was putting them on the bill just a publicity stunt then?

Again very serious allegation to make on a forum. I've been told even those pretty close to Kenny didn't and don't know what he's playing at never mind Dunne who would know Kenny but only on a pretty casual basis.

Mikel

maxxie wrote: »

Whats this? A witch hunt? Give it a rest!
You dont no the facts so dont speculate!

We can speculate all we want.
If we knew the facts it wouldn't be speculation so your statement makes no sense.

walshb

sston wrote: »

Very serious allegation to make on a public forum. Especially surprised at a mod making a statement like this.

Oh relax for crying out loud. It's hardly life and bloody death.:rolleyes:

I never thought the Egan-Chinaman bout was real and it seems now, it's not.
Confirmation still waits, but I think Bernard was simply promoting the show, best of luck to him, but I think he knows well that Egan won't be fighting
the Chinaman. I think Bernard told a porkie; get over it. Doesn't make him bad or evil or anything else. He came across really well last night. I'm always
impressed with Dunne on the tv. He's a natural

BTW, this "twitter" chat; is it real, and is it realy Egan responding? I'm not convinced

Mikel

sston wrote: »

Again very serious allegation to make on a forum. I've been told even those pretty close to Kenny didn't and don't know what he's playing at never mind Dunne who would know Kenny but only on a pretty casual basis.

Someone lying on a chat show is a serious allegation?
Quick, call the lawyers in.

maxxie

Mikel wrote: »

We can speculate all we want.
If we knew the facts it wouldn't be speculation so your statement makes no sense.

get a life! :P

sston

walshb wrote: »

Oh relax for crying out loud. It's hardly life and bloody death.:rolleyes:

I never thought the Egan-Chinaman bout was real and it seems now, it's not.
Confirmation still waits, but I think Bernard was simply promoting the show, best of luck to him, but I think he knows well that Egan won't be fighting
the Chinaman. I think Bernard told a porkie; get over it. Doesn't make him bad or evil or anything else. He came across really well last night. I'm always
impressed with Dunne on the tv. He's a natural

BTW, this "twitter" chat; is it real, and is it realy Egan responding? I'm not convinced

If Egan's own friends and people who've known him all his life don't know what he's up to how would Dunne? Apparently this all pretty much came out of nowhere from Kenny and his comments on his twitter page smack of arrogance and a complete lack of repsect for those who paid into the Stadium at the weekend to see him captain the Irish side. Also don't forget where Egan's grant money comes from - the taxpayer!

walshb wrote: »

Oh relax for crying out loud. It's hardly life and bloody death.:rolleyes:

And as for this maybe not life or death but a certain British promoter is infamous for sending boxing forums solicitors letters over allegations made on those boards. Certainly if someone accused him of "lying" on here then I'm pretty sure boards would be getting a solicitors letter. It's already happened with MCD on here. See: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054977369

walshb

sston wrote: »

If Egan's own friends and people who've known him all his life don't know what he's up to how would Dunne? Apparently this all pretty much came out of nowhere from Kenny and his comments on his twitter page smack of arrogance and a complete lack of repsect for those who paid into the Stadium at the weekend to see him captain the Irish side. Also don't forget where Egan's grant money comes from - the taxpayer!



And as for this maybe not life or death but a certain British promoter is infamous for sending boxing forums solicitors letters over allegations made on those boards. Certainly if someone accused him of "lying" on here then I'm pretty sure boards would be getting a solicitors letter. It's already happened with MCD on here. See: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054977369

SSTON, wires crossed here I think. I never said Dunne was lying about Egan's whereabouts, I am srictly talking about Egan on the O2 show. I think Dunne knows well that Egan won't be on the show; I think the Egan and Taylor appearance was all to promote the show. I don't believe Egan fighting the Chinaman was ever a runner

duagre

Where exactly is the foundation for any of this.
I have certainly not seen anything about Egan or Taylor being pulled from the show, and as such have no reason to believe they will be.

sston

walshb wrote: »

SSTON, wires crossed here I think. I never said Dunne was lying about Egan's whereabouts, I am srictly talking about Egan on the O2 show. I think Dunne knows well that Egan won't be on the show; I think the Egan and Taylor appearance was all to promote the show. I don't believe Egan fighting the Chinaman was ever a runner

No but the lying allegation was a silly one to make and I'm surprised a mod would do it.

Regarding Egan I was told by someone at the Stadium for the US international who would be close to Kenny that he was mystified over the whole thing because Kenny was due on Tubrity to announce that the Chinese rematch was 100% on. That was the whole point of him going on. It had all been nailed down last week according to him.

Maybe the pressure of knowing that he was going to have to beat the Chinese guy this time around got to Kenny and he's gone AWOL. That was certainly one of the rumours going around the stadium on Friday.

sligobhoy67

sston wrote: »

No but the lying allegation was a silly one to make and I'm surprised a mod would do it.

Regarding Egan I was told by someone at the Stadium for the US international who would be close to Kenny that he was mystified over the whole thing because Kenny was due on Tubrity to announce that the Chinese rematch was 100% on. That was the whole point of him going on. It had all been nailed down last week according to him.

Maybe the pressure of knowing that he was going to have to beat the Chinese guy this time around got to Kenny and he's gone AWOL. That was certainly one of the rumours going around the stadium on Friday.

Daroxtar

Kenny looked pretty average tbh in the nationals. Out of shape IMO. If he got beaten by the yank it would have had a serious impact on a possible decision to turn pro.

That said, he's still a great fighter and people should lay off calling him arrogant. He was the highlight of the olympics for most of the nation and he owes nobody anything right now.

Mikel

sston wrote: »

No but the lying allegation was a silly one to make and I'm surprised a mod would do it

Let's not be naive, appearing on a chat show is about spoofing to some degree.
Bernard is on regularly and is always facing a 'world class' opponent and is always 'in the best shape of his life'.
No big deal, it's all part of the game and nobody takes it seriously.
No need for people to start fainting because someone says he's lying.

He said last night he was 100% certain he'll win the title fight.
Is that true? I mean 100% certain?
Maybe he believes he'll win, but absolutely no doubts at all?

What about after Martinez and he'd be saying he just forgot to duck?
No significance to the fight beyond that, it didn't create any doubts in his mind.
Was that 100% true?

sston wrote:

Maybe the pressure of knowing that he was going to have to beat the Chinese guy this time around got to Kenny and he's gone AWOL. That was certainly one of the rumours going around the stadium on Friday.

Maybe.
But if so, and he felt the need to go AWOL is it not strange:
1. He didn't inform the team, and he is the captain and headline act
2. He's posting (assuming it's him) strange messages appearing to enjoy the attention and looking like he's trying to create a 'where is he' bandwagon.
Posting a picture of a shopping bag for crying out loud......

It doesn't look to me he's suffering a long night of the soul somewhere

Daroxtar wrote:

Kenny looked pretty average tbh in the nationals. Out of shape IMO. If he got beaten by the yank it would have had a serious impact on a possible decision to turn pro.

It wouldn't be surprising if he found motivation difficult after going from the Olympics to the hum drum daily grind again

Daroxtar wrote:

That said, he's still a great fighter and people should lay off calling him arrogant. He was the highlight of the olympics for most of the nation and he owes nobody anything right now.

I wouldn't agree, he owes his team and the management.
There is a way to conduct yourself if you're on the team never mind the captain.
Al least he owes them some notification he wouldn't be there

sston

Mikel wrote: »

No need for people to start fainting because someone says he's lying.

Don't want to harp on about the "lying" issue but just thought I'd point out that saying someone was knowingly "lying" in public can have painful consequences. For example if that was printed in a paper then they could be sued unless they came up with the evidence for it.

Might sound like I'm going overboard on this but as I mentioned a leading British promoter is notorious for having his legal team trawl message boards for stuff about him so that he can threaten people with legal action.

Mikel wrote: »

It wouldn't be surprising if he found motivation difficult after going from the Olympics to the hum drum daily grind again

You'd imagine the prospect of reversing his Olympic final loss in the Point would have motivated him.

ODD-JOB

walshb wrote: »

I think Bernard told a porkie;

Another very serious allegation.

maxxie

ODD-JOB wrote: »

Another very serious allegation.

Absolutely! I think I should become the new and improved mod of the boxing forum! Im fair but firm!
So, all in favour say I?

ODD-JOB

sston wrote: »

Might sound like I'm going overboard on this but as I mentioned a leading British promoter is notorious for having his legal team trawl message boards for stuff about him so that he can threaten people with legal action.

I'd be very surprised if this was true.
A promoter would have to waste time locating a comment to pursue, would have to legally chase the forum owners revealing the identity of the poster , then secure a court order to have the Internet Service Provider disclosure of the actual identity of the user.
They would then have to pay a solicitor to write a legal letter , and then pay typical astronomical legal fees for their date in court. all very costly indeed.

The only one who sucessfully does this is Roman Abromavich !
I laugh when the tabloid comics issue apology after apology to Roman A in thier papers.

The rag's are terrified to say anything about him these days !!

ODD-JOB

maxxie wrote: »

Absolutely! I think I should become the new and improved mod of the boxing forum! Im fair but firm!
So, all in favour say I?

just , No naughties with the head.

maxxie

ODD-JOB wrote: »

just , No naughties with the head.

Ha no bother odd ball..

fatgav

i haven't heard that Egan and Taylor have been pulled from the card but those are the words used in the star today. however, my understanding is that it refers to Tubridy last night and not the bill on the 21st

PS More updates on Kenny's Twitter, the Dempsey pic would be NYC???

sston

ODD-JOB wrote: »

I'd be very surprised if this was true.
A promoter would have to waste time locating a comment to pursue, would have to legally chase the forum owners revealing the identity of the poster , then secure a court order to have the Internet Service Provider disclosure of the actual identity of the user.
They would then have to pay a solicitor to write a legal letter , and then pay typical astronomical legal fees for their date in court. all very costly indeed.

Not that costly if you pursue the forum on which the comment was published and not the actual poster.

If you don't believe me have a look at the British boxing forum on boxrec. If you type the words "Frank Warren" the message board automatically inserts the word "allegedly" in front of it!

jayroyal

Seems like he's in new york hardly over to sign with irish ropes i wonder. There short duddy now i just wonder.

duagre

Oddjob is right.


Will you all get out of it with this "serious allegation" stuff.
I have studied my fair share of law and i can tell you that no court would give something like this the time of day. Read any official publication on boxing, sport or anything else, and you will see plenty of instances where it is insinuated that some person is not being entirely truthful. Try find an article about any boxing promoter that doesn't question some of their claims.
Its not an attack on a person's character, its merely an opinion.

Get off Walsh's case. While i rarely agree with him, he does a great job on this forum.

Brainz

walshb wrote: »

BTW, Brainz, please provide a link to your thread, something we can use to discuss the topic maybe

hi i read this in 3 newspapers today -

Brainz

duagre wrote: »

Where exactly is the foundation for any of this.
I have certainly not seen anything about Egan or Taylor being pulled from the show, and as such have no reason to believe they will be.

check out the sunday papers from today - not all stories originate on the internet :eek::eek::eek:

youcrazyjesus!

maxxie wrote: »

Whats this? A witch hunt? Give it a rest!
You dont no the facts so dont speculate!

Nonsense. Nobody would begrudge him going pro, it's the MANNER of it which is the problem. Show some of the class which makes you a top amateur boxer, get on the phone and tell the people and organisations which provide you with your grant money and who have made you a commodity through their training and programs........and STOP acting like a pretentious, self-absorbed child.

I'll never ever go to, or pay for any fight or card which he is involved in again. I say this as somebody who was in Beijing myself, I went to the fights.

walshb

duagre wrote: »

Oddjob is right.


Will you all get out of it with this "serious allegation" stuff.
I have studied my fair share of law and i can tell you that no court would give something like this the time of day. Read any official publication on boxing, sport or anything else, and you will see plenty of instances where it is insinuated that some person is not being entirely truthful. Try find an article about any boxing promoter that doesn't question some of their claims.
Its not an attack on a person's character, its merely an opinion.

Get off Walsh's case. While i rarely agree with him, he does a great job on this forum.

Thanks Duagre, common sense if ever I read comon sense. C'mon fellas, it's hardly court room libel here we are discussing. I personally believe the whole Egan vs. the Chinaman was a ploy to promote and market the affair and best of luck to them for trying it. I will be very very surprised if this match takes place. I think Bernard was simply trying to hype up the show and again, fair play, that's part of the job.

walshb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Brainz wrote: »

hi i read this in 3 newspapers today -

Oh well, that's great, any chance of posting a link so we can ALL avail of these stories. That's my point Brainz, Thanks

Any new threads should contain some link or article to enhance the thread and enable us ALL to debate. A reference so to speak

Daroxtar

jayroyal wrote: »

Seems like he's in new york hardly over to sign with irish ropes i wonder. There short duddy now i just wonder.

After reading about Duddys "alleged" treatment over there? He must have taken some hammering to the head in training if he is.

Daroxtar

Mikel wrote: »

I wouldn't agree, he owes his team and the management.
There is a way to conduct yourself if you're on the team never mind the captain.
Al least he owes them some notification he wouldn't be there

Ya, point taken. A bit of common courtsey would have done no harm.

Any truth in the rumor that he's now going out with that soldier who went AWOL? Maybe its contagious

walshb

The whole Kenny Egan hype machine has simply become farcical. He's as bad as Jade Goody. The guy got a silver, fair play, I think he has overplayed it a bit to be honest. Nice guy, but calm down a bit. I think it's a freakin circus.

I can't see Egan going far in the PRO game at all. It wouldn't be a great move, and the amateur game will only get tougher. He is past his peak I think, despite his relatively young age.

Brainz

walshb wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Oh well, that's great, any chance of posting a link so we can ALL avail of these stories. That's my point Brainz, Thanks

Any new threads should contain some link or article to enhance the thread and enable us ALL to debate. A reference so to speak

as i said i read it in the sunday papers and i'm not the only one to mention this in this thread :eek::eek: -

just because the it isnt on the internet doesnt mean there is no reference of this to debate about but wait until tomorrow for brian peters website to be updated and you will have your link to discuss this - :rolleyes:

this topic wasnt the point i was trying to get across i was only trying to find out if people thought that turning pro was going to be sooner rather then later for kenny.

walshb

Brainz wrote: »

as i said i read it in the sunday papers and i'm not the only one to mention this in this thread :eek::eek: -

just because the it isnt on the internet doesnt mean there is no reference of this to debate about but wait until tomorrow for brian peters website to be updated and you will have your link to discuss this - :rolleyes:

this topic wasnt the point i was trying to get across i was only trying to find out if people thought that turning pro was going to be sooner rather then later for kenny.

Brainz, you started the thread so it's your responsibility to link it.
Here's a starter
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0228/1224241989950.html

Look, anything to indicate the point you are making. I see what you are saying, but come up with something, anything close to the issue you want discussed.
I'm only stressing this point so ALL can participate and gain some knowledge.
It's for the good of the forum as a whole.

The only exception to a link is when discussing Fantasy fights; which we never discuss here.
I know some threads will be hard to get links for, but discussing this thread was linkable'

Thanks

ODD-JOB

sston wrote: »

If you don't believe me have a look at the British boxing forum on boxrec. If you type the words "Frank Warren" the message board automatically inserts the word "allegedly" in front of it!

Wow,...thats crazy SSton! Make's Warren out to be a real power-ego freak.
As much as I hate Warren , I always satisfy myself when i think of his face after Prescott lamped Khan.
The post fight interview was priceless, Warren had just struck a big deal with Sky to have Khan on a 5 fight PPV deal.
(Sorry to go off topic )

walshb

Sometimes off topic makes a thread more interesting; as long as it doesn't go bonkers off topic. Warren aint all that bad.

fatgav

theory from the kenny thread on box rec.

Egan doesn't know what to do, some are saying the Ama's are off the Dunne bill and therefore a bit pised off. He has had Pro offers but nothing like the other guys 1.5M etc. The person I spoke to suggested that he has taken himslef offside and posted these odd pics and comments on twitter to try to force a few hands and up his PR crediot etc and possibly get a few more offers for a Pro deal. If the can get a better deal Pro than he currently has Ama he would seriously consider flipping over to the paid ranks.

seems reasonably logical to me...maybe?

youcrazyjesus!

fatgav wrote: »

theory from the kenny thread on box rec.

Egan doesn't know what to do, some are saying the Ama's are off the Dunne bill and therefore a bit pised off. He has had Pro offers but nothing like the other guys 1.5M etc. The person I spoke to suggested that he has taken himslef offside and posted these odd pics and comments on twitter to try to force a few hands and up his PR crediot etc and possibly get a few more offers for a Pro deal. If the can get a better deal Pro than he currently has Ama he would seriously consider flipping over to the paid ranks.

seems reasonably logical to me...maybe?

Seems absolutely illogical to me.

walshb

BTW, reading some of those Egan comments, they don't seem like phrases our Kenny would use.

"Everything happens for a reason I believe and out of adversity a man sometimes finds his real purpose again."

"Rumours of my demise have been greatly exaggerated!!"

Now, the quote below is more like Kenny

"A bit of gel in the hair and we're laughing":D

sston

walshb wrote: »

BTW, reading some of those Egan comments, they don't seem like phrases our Kenny would use.

It's Kenny alright, I know for a fact that he does the twitter updates himself.

walshb

sston wrote: »

It's Kenny alright, I know for a fact that he does the twitter updates himself.

Well, he's the right little Shakespeare':)

nacho libre

it's good to see Kenny didn't die in this episode. It's like a soap opera.
if the reason behind this is that he is conflicted about going pro, i hope he talks to those closest to him in the fight game and takes their advice rather than those who might not have his best interests at heart.
if it#s because he managed to bag a supermodel and decided to spend a week in new york with her, fair play to him but he should have let people like Billie Walsh and his supporters, who had paid to see him box, know he wasn't going to show for the international boxing night.

anyway, i'm looking forward to the next cryptic update:pac:

youcrazyjesus!

Liam Gaskin, his media agent, is on Newstalk now, he said he doesn't think it's Kenny Egan posting updates, but a personal friend. He also said, quote, "give your Mammy a ring".

I take it from this he's not been in touch with anybody. He also implied a combination of an injury, media pressure resulting in mental pressure and people pissing in his ear (promoters and vested interests) could be responsible for this extremely strange turn of events. But why not contact your agent and your Ma? Somebody who could spin things your way if you did want to take off. If that's what his agent is saying (that he hadn't contacted home). If he was under pressure before he went away what's it going to be like when he comes back? If it's a publicity stunt he's gone about things the wrong way, this is not the time in Ireland to be pulling silly stunts...if that's what it is.

If he did go to New York somebody would have spotted him surely? Or somebody in Aer Lingus would have been in touch with a journalist or, more likely, vice versa? I'm sure they've already done everything they can to track him down. The meedja have