BSG 2003 S4E17 "Someone to Watch Over Me" **SPOILERS**

Overheal

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Gummy Panda

Overheal, what time is this shown at in US and what time is it in US now?

I'm wondering as my cousins in the US are going to leave me a 'message' on a newsgroup about this episode when its over

Overheal

It on right now.

Ugh, looks like a love episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua26qTEK25U

edit:

We learn a lot more about Starbuck in this episode...

Galactica is in even weaker shape than I would have thought. At the start of this Galactica could brush off a nuke and go toe to toe with baseships and raiders. Now if a raptor FTLs too close to the hull The entire superstructure buckles.

ghouldaddy07

Liked it for the most part, some of the piano scenes dragged in but all along the watchtower made up for it.

Boomer needs to die a horrible death.

DeepBlue

Pretty meh all round. They really dragged it out.
And Starbuck's dad was a piano player. Whoopity doo..........

Suaimhneach

But was Starbucks dad Daniel, or is Starbuck a version of Daniel? Is she a first gen mixed cylon-human baby? And therefore are there many and really we're all just one mixed race etc...

Is it a higher power "God" that is orcastrating all of this? Is it some original colony set up such as that which Ellen had and there are cylons there? It doesnt make sense to me that cavil would want a half cyclon kid, isnt he all like "Frak the human race"?

Boomer being manipulative the same way Roslin predicted is pretty frakked up. Poor Chief, he'll have to live with that now. But if they're going back to Cavil... then what the frak. Whos kid is she orginially anyway? Agh! It is so confusing!

The Kara/Daniel/All along the watchtower stuff was pretty exciting anyway. I dunno. For the last few episodes, it doesnt seem to be quite what I expected.


EDIT: So I just watched http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grfI3Yv6T0Q, a BSG re-cap. Do you remember when they send Kara to Cobol with the Arrow of Athena and it lights up the stones which point the way to earth... well, em, why cant they stay on Cobol, as what seems like a perfectly habitable planet?

Edit2: Duala is so coming back in the last few episodes. It is just too random and unfinished. I like the idea of the link to Starks idea that humans (or maybe a generation of mixed race cylon-humans) can be resurrected.

Sherifu

Has to be Daniel I think. Could have been a good call here that he is her father.

There probably will be a 'power' of some sort revealed.

I was sure Cavil would turn up by now, never saw he was sending Boomer to do his dirty work.

Galactica really is in a sorry state.

All along the watchower ftw!

jor el

It would appear almost certain that Starbuck's father is indeed Daniel, the last Cylon, but is he still alive somewhere though? Starbuck being a Human/Cylon hybrid would make sense, and could sort of explain her resurrection, and certainly her connection with everything that's going on. How did Roslin know that Hera was being taken though? What's her connection in all this, and the reason she was having the opera house visions?

I'm expecting Anders to wake up any minute now and explain everything. I think he'll know exactly who/what Starbuck is too.

Suaimhneach

Jor El, because she has Heras blood from the transfusion which kept her alive when she had cancer?

Volvagia

I really enjoyed it.

It ticked along at a slow enough pace for most of the episode but the last 10 minutes were great.

The all along the watch tower reveal was brilliant. I never thought that boomer would be that evil, she played everyone. I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens to the chief.

There's a lot of talk about Daniel, and while i think it would be great to have another cylon character i don't think he's kara's dad. I'm dying to find out what starbuck is, but for some reason i don't think it will be as easy as her being a half cylons half human hybrid.

Can anyone what happened in the last opera house vision, was it Roslin and Caprica both trying to get Hera back from an 8 (Boomer?) is that how its going to end?

Suaimhneach

The caprica 6 was meant to be her "protector", and maybe there is some mystical tie to her?

Have to say that was an excellent episode.

Dr. Baltar

I thoroughly enjoyed this episode!
The Watchtower reveal was excellent!

What of Roslin?

Derek Coleman

That was an amazing episode. The piano playing into All along The Watchtower made me jump up off the seat. I cannot fukking wait for the soundtrack.

That whole episode was brilliant. That is my favourite episode since the restart of season 4. That was just brilliant.

I am rejuvenated now. It was a slow episode that was perfectly done. I would kill myself if I was the Chief. He was played. Boomer is the perfect villain, I was completely fooled.

Can't say enough about this. And that has to be Daniel. I'm just more confused about everything involving Starbuck but I love it.

Derek Coleman

Oh and I spotted something of interest.

The album cover of Kara's da was called Life at the 'something' Opera House.

Volvagia

another that might be worth noting is the name of Starbucks dad;

Well the name on the album cover is "Dreilide Thrace" and he has a big beard from what i can tell.

Johnny Storm

I didn't think much of this ep at all. Way too much time spent on Starduck and her Dad. The scene where Chief envisages his grown up kid was quite moving though.

Nitpick of the week: When Boomer's raptor jumps, the newly-discovered "spacial distortion" tears a huge chunk out of Galactica, despite the fact that just a couple of weeks ago the tillium ship jumped while a raptor was parked on top of it and the raptor crew didn't even spill their space-coffee.
JIMHO that is the kind of thing that really forces the viewer out of the suspension of disbelief that is vital to any science-fiction show. IMHO a (rare) sign of careless writing and lack of attention to detail.

bobbbb

groan.
How many more episodes are left.
Its becoming very painful to watch this show. Im so glad its ending, because it has nothing else going for it anymore apart from the fact that there are only a few episodes of boredom to go.

Derek Coleman

Ah I think the damage sustained by Galactica in the jump is another sign that the ship is falling apart. Maybe in its hay day the Galactica would have brushed it off but they are reallly pushing the fact that it is on its last legs.

You are such a harsh critic.....

You people who thought this was boring are getting me down. Do yourselves a favour and stop watching until its over and watch the last few episodes all at once. Its the anticipation of the end thats making you feel like this was a wasted episode.

Biggins

Derek Coleman wrote: »

Oh and I spotted something of interest.

The album cover of Kara's da was called Life at the 'something' Opera House.

Kopped that as well. I have a feeling its significant.
Maybe as her father was playing there, Starbuck would run around there as a child in a prior life?

Talisman

The piano player wasn't in the bar and Starbuck learned to play all along the watch tower from her father as a kid. She was projecting - so she is a Cylon!

Volvagia

Talisman wrote: »

The piano player wasn't in the bar and Starbuck learned to play all along the watch tower from her father as a kid. She was projecting - so she is a Cylon!

Adama projected his dead wife as well, does that mean that he a cylon too?

Derek Coleman

She 'Projected' nothing. She was pissed from knockin back Joe's special rum.!!

bazz26

I wanted to frack that piano out the nearest airlock until they started playing "all along the watchtower". Then I thought a switch had gone off in the final five and their cylon programming would take over.

Definately looks like there has been someone or something pulling strings since the start, even Ellen admitted it in this episode.

Cavil was very clever leaving Boomer escape like that, so I presume he is tracking the fleet.

TheVan

I liked it a lot.

I thought the scene

where Boomer "projected" the life she and the Chief could have had on Picon

was incredibly moving. It showed how far humanity has traveled from their idyllic lives and the fact that they will probably never live in that kind of comfort or peace again.

Also, I don't know if people noticed, but

I don't think the piano player was beside Kara when Tigh came over demanding to know where she learned that song. So presumably that's what her dad looked like, which may be what Daniel looked like.

Dr. Baltar

Actually, I have to agree - Boomer is an amazing villain. I was and always have been completely fooled by her. Even in Season 1 I felt a lot of sympathy for her and I truly thought that when she came back to Galactica in the last episodes that she had changed her ways and was a nice model.

Cavil is a frakking genius!

Tristram

Excellent episode imo, very well done.

but

I am worried about how few episodes are left to conclude matters.

Richard Dower

I don't get the All Along The Warchtower thing...what was the reveal exactly?
Personally i think y'all are reading WAY to much into this show and the scripts, the producers are playing you and nothing will be revealed by series end, another Lost/The Sopranos crap to try be edgy and deflect the fact the show has no plot.

jor el

TheVan wrote: »

Also, I don't know if people noticed, but I don't think the piano player was beside Kara when Tigh came over demanding to know where she learned that song. So presumably that's what her dad looked like, which may be what Daniel looked like.

I think everyone noticed that. He was only in Starbuck's head. It's fairly obvious that he was her father, the only question now is, was he a Cylon, and was he Daniel?

I was thinking at the start, that he was going to be an invisible character, but then started to think that he really was there, and then when he started getting her to play I was fairly sure he'd turn out to not be there. Didn't see that piece of music coming though, and if he thought Starbuck how to play it, then he has to be a Cylon too.

The tape was titled "Live at the Helice Opera House" by Dreilide Thrace. "Helice" is also another name for Ursa Major. I wonder if Ellen was to see the tape, would she recognise the man on the cover, or would she recognise the music?

Richard Dower wrote:

I don't get the All Along The Warchtower thing...what was the reveal exactly?

Did you hear the music that Starbuck was playing on the piano?

Richard Dower wrote:

Personally i think y'all are reading WAY to much into this show and the scripts, the producers are playing you and nothing will be revealed by series end, another Lost/The Sopranos crap to try be edgy and deflect the fact the show has no plot.

I disagree. There has been plenty revealed already, more in this episode, and still more to come. This is nothing like the way The Sopranos ended, or the way Lost is going.

TheIrishGrover

Why are we forgetting that Hera gave Starbuck the notes? That this was what triggered the memory/whatever that led to the whole Watchtower thing. Didn't I tell ye Daniel was Hera? :pac: Ah no, I actually really liked that episode. Wasn't gone on last weeks but every week cannot be "Best. Episode. Ever" Ya gotta get from A to B to C to conclude everything. I mean in this episode we had another link to Daniel, the degradation of the ship and the whole reveal that Ellen's "escape" was Cavil's plan all along. Cool.

Richard Dower

What'll happen is...a cliffhanger with no answers and interviews and press sayinng, watch Caprica for all the answers........wait and see....

Sherifu

Richard Dower wrote: »

What'll happen is...a cliffhanger with no answers and interviews and press sayinng, watch Caprica for all the answers........wait and see....

Sounds like a plan. Cool.

Overheal

Jesjes wrote: »

Do you remember when they send Kara to Cobol with the Arrow of Athena and it lights up the stones which point the way to earth... well, em, why cant they stay on Cobol, as what seems like a perfectly habitable planet?

It wasn't Earth, they were after Earth, and the 13th tribe of Man, not a habitable rock. Expecially one that was occupied by Cylons while they were being hunted down. Also As the priest warned, When someone trespasses upon Kobol, a blood sacrifice must always be made. Raptor crashes, The Priestess' own death, etc. - a superstition that was evidently a true one.

Also What happened - they defeated the base star in orbit, but Adama was shot, and a new Cylon Basestar engages the Colonial fleet just moments later. Basically throughout the events of the first few eps of S2 it becomes pretty evident that Kobol is unsafe.

kowloon

The fact that there are so few episodes left has me trawling throughthat episode for every possible bit of information. It seemed like a slow episode, but I very much doubt they would put so much filler in at this advanced stage. I'm missing something.

stevenmu

Didn't Anders say at one point that the song came from him playing it for the 5 before they left earth? So is he responsible for then teaching it to Daniel who then taught it to Starbuck?

Johnny Storm wrote: »

Nitpick of the week: When Boomer's raptor jumps, the newly-discovered "spacial distortion" tears a huge chunk out of Galactica, despite the fact that just a couple of weeks ago the tillium ship jumped while a raptor was parked on top of it and the raptor crew didn't even spill their space-coffee.
JIMHO that is the kind of thing that really forces the viewer out of the suspension of disbelief that is vital to any science-fiction show. IMHO a (rare) sign of careless writing and lack of attention to detail.

I'm pretty sure that when that happened the raptors got sucked in and flung about a bit. It's reasonable that because they are small and light the whole raptor could be thrown about by the distortion, but galactica is so big and heavy (and now weak) the distortion pulling on a localised part of the ship wouldn't move the whole ship, it would just move that part causing damage.

DeVore

Er... Kara's father is a Head-Daniel, like Head-Six and Head-Balthar maybe?

Also, um... I've been asking "who played the music" since May last year so I claim some form of prize for that! (there are prizes, right?).

We were told that Daniel was an artist and so everyone jumped to "painting" but music is a form of art too so I have no doubt that that is her father and that he is Daniel in some manner or form.

I am sooo going to learn how to play that piece on piano now too

DeV.

BlitzKrieg

I am sooo going to learn how to play that piece on piano now too

I am already looking up how to do it on my harmonica.

I think something everyone is overlooking is that Boomer has confirmed that cylons have the ability to project artificial senses to other cylons (at least)

Does this not raise questions on head six and Balter, he's spent most of season 1 and 2 at his lakehouse in his head, he survived torture in season 3 by going there etc etc. Is it a cylon projection link he has somehow (accidently?) had hardwired permantly to himself to some outside source.


On the question of Kobol, that the planet is cursed, so nobody wants to live there (also the cylons know about it, so they cant colonise it at least until the imperial (since the others a rebel) cylons are defeated.

On the episode I was screaming from his 2nd scene that the pianist was a head character. We never saw him before (and by now you recognise almost everyone on Galactica) we didnt get his name, and he never talked to anyone but starbuck. But the watchtower bit was awesome. I was expecting Saul to go *Its THAT FRACKING MUSIC!* and go nuts. Tyrol's little love stint was treading very dangerous ground of repeating stuff we've covered already many times (a weird mix of baltars trial and athena's period in the brig) so I am glad they suddenly went very dark with it.

At first I thought *yay* Boomer is gonna run off with tyrol and be alienated by both sides but the second she punched Athena (strangely a character I like much more despite being essentially the same person) I was *NO, you a b*tch now!* and then it just got awesomely dark.

I'm putting my money on tyrol not surviving the remainder of the series. He'll take Boomer with him, but he's not gonna live til the end. Final Five or not.


Overall good episode, BSG is the only series at the moment that has me shouting at each episode as things unwind, its just that awesome.

Jim

Assuming Starbuck was telling the truth about her father etc then he is/was definatly Daniel since he thought her that piece as a child and there was no way for him to know that song except that he is a Cylon.

I really enjoyed this episode, except for the spacial distortion point someone mentioned already. Inconsistencies like that really annoy me in sci fi.

Overheal

which inconsistency?

Jim

Overheal wrote: »

which inconsistency?

About how it is all of a sudden really dangerous to perform jumps beside other ships because the spacial distortion can cause massive damage, but we've seen jumps being performed like this plenty of times in the past.

DeVore

Well we should consider momentum and mass which in space will act a little differently to here on Earth. Galactica has a huge mass and therefore cant be moved around easily. Since its also structurally screwed trying to move it around by a small bit of it is much more likely to leave you holding the small bit of it . Like trying to pull or push a cheesecake. Smaller craft (like, say, a jaffa cake) could be pulled and pushed easily as they are smaller and more structurally sound.

Now for some reason, I'm hungry.

DeV.

DeVore

ps: Weirdly Blitzkireg, I also was absolutely certain he was only in Starbucks mind from the moment she was shouting at him about how badly he played. I cant tell you why but I was so sure of it I wasnt surprised at all when he dissappeared. Kinda freaky...

DeV.

Vokes

Jim wrote: »

About how it is all of a sudden really dangerous to perform jumps beside other ships because the spacial distortion can cause massive damage, but we've seen jumps being performed like this plenty of times in the past.

No inconsistency there. The hull is already botched, which we've gathered from the past 4 or 5 eps. Here's hoping the Cylon goo does the business, so the Big G can go out with one last blaze of glory against Cavil, Boomer (hiss!!) and co. :pac:

Awesome episode btw.

Loved the opening scenes. Starbuck's daily grind really hammered home how utterly monotonus and pointless the Fleet's existence is now.

/EDIT

Some other thoughts...

- I guess El Prez is on her way out now? Seems she (or their shared blood or something) needs to be in close proximty to Hera.

- After that mind frack from Boomer, I reckon Tyrol will top himself or come close too it next week.

- Anyone else think that Kara's Dad aka Head-Daniel (which most are in agreement about now?) looked a lot like Leoben from different angles, hmmm?

- Acting Award of the Week goes to Saul Tigh's one good eye with its WTF moment when he copped onto the song

Khannie

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

Overall good episode, BSG is the only series at the moment that has me shouting at each episode as things unwind, its just that awesome.

Lost is doing the same for me at the moment. Savage episode of it this week.

Anywho....Very enjoyable episode of bsg. Boomer is indeed the perfect villain. Moriarty-like.

Like others, I am slightly concerned that this will all be wrapped up in only 4 episodes.

I'm missing something (I haven't been coming on this board for a while). What's all this about a "Daniel"? Where was he mentioned? I kinda half picked up that there might be an extra cylon during the ellen episode, but thought nothing more of it.

Goodshape

ZOMG! Boomer! What a bitch! She totally had me on her side until she was smacking Athena upside the head. Didn't see it coming.

Khannie wrote: »

Lost is doing the same for me at the moment.

Yeah, have to say, Lost is back on form atm.

What's all this about a "Daniel"? Where was he mentioned?

Anders mentions Daniel when he's spouting his bullet-in-the-brain induced revelations. Ellen and Cavil also discuss him in the same episode (though not by name, iirc?). 7th cylon (which is why Boomer is '8', not '7'), creative type, Ellen's favourite, Cavil got jealous - murdered him and corrupted the clones (or whatever they're called) so that resurrection was not possible. Not much else is known about him but at the moment being Starbucks dad looks likely.

sceptre

DeVore wrote: »

Also, um... I've been asking "who played the music" since May last year so I claim some form of prize for that! (there are prizes, right?)

Yes, you get your own imaginary Six.

Goodshape

Nitpick : I think Sol Tigh is the only 'skinjob' Cylon we've seen in flashbacks? And he always looks younger, alongside a younger looking Adama.

Has that been explained at all? Do Cylons, or these final five, age? Why then is the newly resurrected Ellen not 20-odd years (or any years) younger looking than we remember? Bah.

Fletch123

Excellent. Lots of emotion packed into that episode- Strarbucks daddy issues, Athena watching her husband cheating on her and then the Chief mess (for which I shed a tear). Oh, and the general plot was good too

sioda

Love the piano playing the old galactica theme. Great ep wish there were nope eps left

Overheal

Jim wrote: »

About how it is all of a sudden really dangerous to perform jumps beside other ships because the spacial distortion can cause massive damage, but we've seen jumps being performed like this plenty of times in the past.

Well Galactica is in a State, after doing a bellyflop and fighting the first cylon war. Not exactly Pegasus (Raptor evacuation sequence - Exodus Pt 2) or a Raptor, when its trying to latch onto a freighter. Raptors are very small craft and easy to keep maintained inside the Hangar Deck.

hick

twas indeed a good un, about time they started clearing up Starbuck
No mention of Adama not being unwell, no drinking or popping pills from him.
Thought it was funny when ellen snapped at tyrol telling him to give tigh a break cos he just lost his baby was funny when I noticed she hadn't touched her drink.
I read on a forum somewhere that the last episode is going to be over 2.5hours long, so should be plenty of time to sort most of the big questions.

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