CS people, advice plz

tolosenc

Right, handed in the course assignment for René's 2BA2 semester last month. On the Thursday/Friday, with the due date the next Monday.

Got the results just there, I got a big fat 0, with no comment given. I reckon my assignment went missing somehow.

Has this happened to anyone here before, and what's the protocol for rectifying the procedure?

Jonathan

Plagiarism?

tolosenc

We had to write a program using a specific Design Pattern. Other than that, can't think of a reason why plagiarism would be suspected?

He didn't mention it in the notes as to why people lost marks. And don't I get a formal warning in that case?

Epic Tissue

Have you contacted him?

Ron DMC

René always picks on CSLL folk.

Nah, just kidding. Though I think I got a 0 from him a few times too (though I probably didn't hand anything in in the first place).

Jonathan

Epic Tissue wrote: »

Have you contacted him?

This sounds like a feedback thread.

Have you pm'd the mod?

Crash

This sounds like a "email rené right now" thread. its probably something rectifiable.

CJTobin

I'm no computer scientist (real science FTW!:pac:), but regardless of the course you're in the first thing you should do in this situation is e-mail the lecturer asking him/her where things went wrong. If this doesn't resolve the problem in a satisfactory manner, get onto your personal tutor ASAP, they'll be able to put pressure on the lecturer in question.

Good luck, let us know how it turns out.

M450

Just last month I got a big fat 0 for an assignment, emailed my lecturer that day and he replied saying it hadn't been marked, the postgrad must've missed it. I suppose lecturers never have to mark the assignments...
By the next day it was rectified. So it does happen, if they had reason to give you 0 then they'd bring it up with you, otherwise its just that they think you havent submitted anything.

LenovoUser

Hey, anybody, esp senior freshman, with Vinny Cahill's exam question last summer about drunken sailors from the Republic of Inebria on the Isle of Booze, in the Whiskey bar on their annual visit - he has just given it to us as our last assignment.

I think it can be solved via probability of sequence, not sure whether its an array or a queue or what structure etc...

Vinny wants it on Wednesday !

Brown envelope for best help, Cheers.

Freshman Slave

LenovoUser

LenovoUser wrote: »

Hey, anybody, esp senior freshman, with Vinny Cahill's exam question last summer about drunken sailors from the Republic of Inebria on the Isle of Booze, in the Whiskey bar on their annual visit - he has just given it to us as our last assignment.

I think it can be solved via probability of sequence, not sure whether its an array or a queue or what structure etc...

Vinny wants it on Wednesday !

Brown envelope for best help, Cheers.

Freshman Slave

Here it is :

https://www.cs.tcd.ie/~vjcahill/1ba2/assignments/Assignment4.pdf

LenovoUser

CJTobin wrote: »

I'm no computer scientist (real science FTW!:pac:), but regardless of the course you're in the first thing you should do in this situation is e-mail the lecturer asking him/her where things went wrong. If this doesn't resolve the problem in a satisfactory manner, get onto your personal tutor ASAP, they'll be able to put pressure on the lecturer in question.

Good luck, let us know how it turns out.

That might be dangerous if it is plagiarism...best forget it in that case !

snappieT

LenovoUser wrote: »

Hey, anybody, esp senior freshman, with Vinny Cahill's exam question last summer about drunken sailors from the Republic of Inebria on the Isle of Booze, in the Whiskey bar on their annual visit - he has just given it to us as our last assignment.

Off the top of my head:

for(every sailor){
    xPosition is 0
    yPosition is 0
    while(decision not yet made){
        make a random number
        mod it by 10
        if 0:
            walk to the left (xPosition - 1)
        if 1:
            walk to the right (xPosition + 1)
        if 2:
            walk backwards (yPosition -1)
        else:
            walk forwards (yPosition +1)
    }
}

After each iteration, check if the sailor has fallen (xPosition less than -2.5 or greater than +2.5), reached the boat (yPosition >= 20) or returned to whiskey (yPosition < 0). Add to a counter, and stop the while loop once one of these happen.

Obviously, this should all be classed properly.

tolosenc

Oh yeah, he emailed me the next day saying there'd been an error. Marks updated and went from scraping a 2.2 for courseword to being comfortably in the 1st zone...

And seriously. The drunken sailor is the easiest assignment in first year, relative to what you've done. Hell, I got 29/20!

LenovoUser

obl wrote: »

Oh yeah, he emailed me the next day saying there'd been an error. Marks updated and went from scraping a 2.2 for courseword to being comfortably in the 1st zone...

And seriously. The drunken sailor is the easiest assignment in first year, relative to what you've done. Hell, I got 29/20!

Yes, I see that now !
Who's this lecturer ? Will we bump into him ? When ?

( A Polish lady demonstrator gave me 0 in Vinny's class once, I asked Vinny directly about it, mouse-to-man , Vinny looked at the paper, he gave it to another Demonstrator from Manchester to re-mark - he gave me 7 out of 10 :-)
Apparently she had been marking everybody 0 or 10, all or nothing, and she LOOKS lovely, has a beautiful smile - the Smile of Death :-)

I'm new to programming, but tops at Electrotechnology & Telecoms ( kindergarten stuff) , Math (ditto), Digital Logic (fun), & Computers & Society.
Assembly is fine but Java is coming HARD.

LenovoUser

snappieT wrote: »

Off the top of my head:

for(every sailor){
    xPosition is 0
    yPosition is 0
    while(decision not yet made){
        make a random number
        mod it by 10
        if 0:
            walk to the left (xPosition - 1)
        if 1:
            walk to the right (xPosition + 1)
        if 2:
            walk backwards (yPosition -1)
        else:
            walk forwards (yPosition +1)
    }
}

After each iteration, check if the sailor has fallen (xPosition less than -2.5 or greater than +2.5), reached the boat (yPosition >= 20) or returned to whiskey (yPosition < 0). Add to a counter, and stop the while loop once one of these happen.

Obviously, this should all be classed properly.

Thanks Snappie, pints on me in O'Neills if you can get the whole program set to run for me , Cheers.

LenovoUser

LenovoUser wrote: »

Thanks Snappie, pints on me in O'Neills if you can get the whole program set to run for me , Cheers.

Whiskey in O'Neills if you can program it for me as a fab animation to run in Processing 1.01
Cheers,

Mature Student ( Pro Photographer ) .

LenovoUser

LenovoUser wrote: »

Thanks Snappie, pints on me in O'Neills if you can get the whole program set to run for me , Cheers.

O'Neills, next Friday 6th March, 4.00 p.m. , small bar . just mark Snappy on your forehead, taxi home provided :-)

LenovoUser

LenovoUser wrote: »

Yes, I see that now !
Who's this lecturer ? Will we bump into him ? When ?

( A Polish lady demonstrator gave me 0 in Vinny's class once, I asked Vinny directly about it, mouse-to-man , Vinny looked at the paper, he gave it to another Demonstrator from Manchester to re-mark - he gave me 7 out of 10 :-)
Apparently she had been marking everybody 0 or 10, all or nothing, and she LOOKS lovely, has a beautiful smile - the Smile of Death :-)

I'm new to programming, but tops at Electrotechnology & Telecoms ( kindergarten stuff) , Math (ditto), Digital Logic (fun), & Computers & Society.
Assembly is fine but Java is coming HARD.

What I mean is that if ANYBODY ever cogs, gets a 0 as a result, don't push your luck by complaining about it, hehehe...

Personally, I would regard a student who resorts to plagiarism as a likely success in his or her career later on in the world, cos that's how the real world works.

tolosenc

We're still not gonna do your assignment for you.

LenovoUser

obl wrote: »

We're still not gonna do your assignment for you.

Aw shucks

LenovoUser

LenovoUser wrote: »

Aw shucks

O.K., how's this then , have full assignment printed out ready to run, in O'Neills Bar, 5.00 p.m. Monday, reward !

Crash

Anyone else tempted to email Vinny? I'm sure there aren't that many photographer mature students in first year this year

LenovoUser

LenovoUser wrote: »

O.K., how's this then , have full assignment printed out ready to run, in O'Neills Bar, 5.00 p.m. Monday, reward !

(I'm embarrassed going into the Pav ever since I fell down the concrete stairs there on the evening of 5th Dec last ( end of Michaelmas) - I was celebrating cos I got through the term without an NS . ) .

LenovoUser

Crash wrote: »

Anyone else tempted to email Vinny? I'm sure there aren't that many photographer mature students in first year this year

not the trinity Way, Crash...
anyway Vinny looks a hard man,
the type that doesn't know when to stop,
and I'm still recovering from falling down the Pav stairs.

Crash

Trinity way? yes because asking people to do your work for you is, yeah? Enjoy your exams, i'm sure you'll do great at them with that attitude :P

LenovoUser

Crash wrote: »

Trinity way? yes because asking people to do your work for you is, yeah? Enjoy your exams, i'm sure you'll do great at them with that attitude :P

Ever think of being a lecturer, Crash ?
Trinity slave-drivers would love your approach :-):eek:

Epic Tissue

WTF is going on in this topic?:eek:

LenovoUser

Epic Tissue wrote: »

WTF is going on in this topic?:eek:

just trying to get advice on an assignment, that's all:mad:

LenovoUser

LenovoUser wrote: »

just trying to get advice on an assignment, that's all:mad:

So please don't shoot me, I'm only a buckkshee JF , Thanks.

Jonathan

I'm very confused.

snappieT

obl wrote: »

went from scraping a 2.2 for courseword to being comfortably in the 1st zone..!

Good to hear it got resolved.

LenovoUser wrote: »

Thanks Snappie, pints on me in O'Neills if you can get the whole program set to run for me , Cheers.

I wrote it in psuedocode on purpose, so it wouldn't be seen as doing your work for you. You asked for help on the algorithm, I gave it. I have no intention of doing your work for you, and you shouldn't be asking for it to be done either.

I'm going to be honest here, and you're not going to like it. You need to buck up with your coding skills, or face some problems later on. Electrotech and DLD is fine and all, but they pretty much stop after first year. Second year you'll have more advanced java on top of two more programming languages, no electrotech (though telecomms will stick around), and pretty much no DLD either. I have no problem giving you a hand at getting up to scratch with Java, but not in the "doing your assignments for you" kind of way.

Crash wrote: »

Anyone else tempted to email Vinny? I'm sure there aren't that many photographer mature students in first year this year

Ah come on now Neil, he just needed a hand!

tolosenc

Epic Tissue wrote: »

WTF is going on in this topic?:eek:

Some photographer appears to be responding to his own comment, but don't quote me on that...

LenovoUser

snappieT wrote: »

Good to hear it got resolved.


I wrote it in psuedocode on purpose, so it wouldn't be seen as doing your work for you. You asked for help on the algorithm, I gave it. I have no intention of doing your work for you, and you shouldn't be asking for it to be done either.

I'm going to be honest here, and you're not going to like it. You need to buck up with your coding skills, or face some problems later on. Electrotech and DLD is fine and all, but they pretty much stop after first year. Second year you'll have more advanced java on top of two more programming languages, no electrotech (though telecomms will stick around), and pretty much no DLD either. I have no problem giving you a hand at getting up to scratch with Java, but not in the "doing your assignments for you" kind of way.


Ah come on now Neil, he just needed a hand!

Thanks for that , Snappie, you've pointed my nose in the right direction, I'll do the same for you or anybody in Industral Electronics, Automation and Control Technology, Pneumatic Circuits, Mechatronics etc in which I graduated from WIT, if you ever need help in Robotics, AI or anything like that. Guess you're right, and I'll have to quit the Good Life over the next few months. Aaargh, I'll miss O'Neills !

Crash

snappieT wrote: »

Ah come on now Neil, he just needed a hand!

Or rather to cog it?

LenovoUser wrote: »

Personally, I would regard a student who resorts to plagiarism as a likely success in his or her career later on in the world, cos that's how the real world works.

LenovoUser wrote: »

Thanks Snappie, pints on me in O'Neills if you can get the whole program set to run for me , Cheers.

LenovoUser wrote: »

Whiskey in O'Neills if you can program it for me as a fab animation to run in Processing 1.01
Cheers,

Mature Student ( Pro Photographer ) .

I'm all for giving people a hand with CS related stuff, but thats just taking the piss. And even more so, as you stated, if you want to actually manage to get through four years of CS at all, you really, REALLY need to get a handle on programming, or you'll be guaranteed to flunk at least one subject a year.

On that note, I wouldn't actually be bothered to go and report it, because of the above. If you can't hack programming in first year, and would prefer to try and get someone to help you plagarise the project rather than try to sort out your programming ability, you really won't get all that far anyhow.

That and I've got my piece of paper, and could care less

LenovoUser

Crash wrote: »

Or rather to cog it? We have different outlooks, I actively help the programmers in my class who haven't a clue about, and even despair in Electrotechnics & Telecoms, Digital Logic - and even have difficulty in writing plain English in "Computers & Society " . :rolleyes:







I'm all for giving people a hand with CS related stuff, but thats just taking the piss. And even more so, as you stated, if you want to actually manage to get through four years of CS at all, you really, REALLY need to get a handle on programming, or you'll be guaranteed to flunk at least one subject a year.

On that note, I wouldn't actually be bothered to go and report it, because of the above. If you can't hack programming in first year, and would prefer to try and get someone to help you plagarise the project rather than try to sort out your programming ability, you really won't get all that far anyhow.

That and I've got my piece of paper, and could care less

I actively help, and do homework for, fellow students in the subjects in which I am good, such as Digital Design, Electrotechnology & Telecoms , and Computers & Society " - sadly, one-third of the programmers are going to fail Electrics & Telecoms in the exams, probably DL too, so it works everyway. But I do my level best to encourage them and bring them through. And I get them through the Labs as well, in the hope that the few marks they get there will see them scrape through.

LenovoUser

LenovoUser wrote: »

I actively help, and do homework for, fellow students in the subjects in which I am good, such as Digital Design, Electrotechnology & Telecoms , and Computers & Society " - sadly, one-third of the programmers are going to fail Electrics & Telecoms in the exams, probably DL too, so it works everyway. But I do my level best to encourage them and bring them through. And I get them through the Labs as well, in the hope that the few marks they get there will see them scrape through.

It's just this Java Thing with me - I program well in VB, and I have got on well too in an introduction to C++ in WIT, I just feel that the compilers in Java are constructed in industry to force-solve Java code and I can't hack that :-):(

LenovoUser

LenovoUser wrote: »

It's just this Java Thing with me - I program well in VB, and I have got on well too in an introduction to C++ in WIT, I just feel that the compilers in Java are constructed in industry to force-solve Java code and I can't hack that :-):(

But then, maybe I'll get the hang of it - thanks for all your help and guidance.

tolosenc

See the "Edit" button at the bottom of your post? Click that if you want to add more to an existing post. It's horrible reading consecutive comments...

And don't do other people's homework. Point stuff out to them, but don't just do it for them. This isn't ike school.

JC 2K3

LenovoUser wrote: »

Hey, anybody, esp senior freshman, with Vinny Cahill's exam question last summer about drunken sailors from the Republic of Inebria on the Isle of Booze, in the Whiskey bar on their annual visit - he has just given it to us as our last assignment.

I think it can be solved via probability of sequence, not sure whether its an array or a queue or what structure etc...

Vinny wants it on Wednesday !

Brown envelope for best help, Cheers.

Freshman Slave

http://tcdcs.com/pirates/jimmy/ <- That got me a prize of a €30 HMV voucher last year

LenovoUser wrote: »

It's just this Java Thing with me - I program well in VB, and I have got on well too in an introduction to C++ in WIT, I just feel that the compilers in Java are constructed in industry to force-solve Java code and I can't hack that :-):(

Programming is programming is programming. If you're really good at VB, Java should be no problem.

LenovoUser wrote: »

I actively help, and do homework for, fellow students in the subjects in which I am good, such as Digital Design, Electrotechnology & Telecoms , and Computers & Society " - sadly, one-third of the programmers are going to fail Electrics & Telecoms in the exams, probably DL too, so it works everyway. But I do my level best to encourage them and bring them through. And I get them through the Labs as well, in the hope that the few marks they get there will see them scrape through.

That's just not on. Helping is fine, but doing homework for others is wrong.

Unregistered.

snappieT wrote: »

Off the top of my head:

for(every sailor){
    xPosition is 0
    yPosition is 0
    while(decision not yet made){
        make a random number
        mod it by 10
        if 0:
            walk to the left (xPosition - 1)
        if 1:
            walk to the right (xPosition + 1)
        if 2:
            walk backwards (yPosition -1)
        else:
            walk forwards (yPosition +1)
    }
}

After each iteration, check if the sailor has fallen (xPosition less than -2.5 or greater than +2.5), reached the boat (yPosition >= 20) or returned to whiskey (yPosition < 0). Add to a counter, and stop the while loop once one of these happen.

Obviously, this should all be classed properly.

WTF??? Why did you post this?

LenovoUser

That's just a snippet of pseudocode, a hint from a well-meaning person, that's all, nothing to roar WTF about :-) . Snappie is one of those folk in life who wears a white stetson in true Trinity style, as I'm learning to do - no snithching, no quibbling, no bad word about anybody no matter what, and help all you can - and yes I do explain "my own " subjects to anybody who comes to me for help, what am I to do, snarl at them ? If I was like that I would have joined the garda.
BTW, I have the assignment done.

Unregistered.

LenovoUser wrote: »

That's just a snippet of pseudocode, a hint from a well-meaning person, that's all, nothing to roar WTF about :-) . Snappie is one of those folk in life who wears a white stetson in true Trinity style, as I'm learning to do - no snithching, no quibbling, no bad word about anybody no matter what, and help all you can - and yes I do explain "my own " subjects to anybody who comes to me for help, what am I to do, snarl at them ? If I was like that I would have joined the garda.
BTW, I have the assignment done.

I'm sure Arthur Hughes may diasgree with you on this one. There is a huge difference between asking somebody on the net how to do something and asking in person. At least in person you can be guided through the algorithm where as the net it looks like a copy and paste job.
As was mentioned already, this could be fairly easy of you've put in the work during the year, rather than "do others' homework" for them. You could get in to trouble for this.

I hope for your own sake that the mods close/delete this thread.

LenovoUser

JC 2K3 wrote: »

http://tcdcs.com/pirates/jimmy/ <- That got me a prize of a €30 HMV voucher last year


Programming is programming is programming. If you're really good at VB, Java should be no problem.


That's just not on. Helping is fine, but doing homework for others is wrong.

it is the actual entering and successful running of the program in the Lab in such a short space of supervised time that is hard, not the programming itself - and with Vinny pacing ominously up and down in silent mode Too :-)

There are twice as many in this class as were last year, and though they're the best of programmers, they're clueless about Electrotechnology, Telecoms, Digital Design etc - and if they fail in over two subjects, they tell me, they will have to repeat the year - and most of them would not be able to pay fees. So what do you do ? It's no use telling them anything about those subjects they are that clueless, but brilliant at Java, Assembly and Processing 1.01. And I feel that they shouldn't be held back for subjects, that as somebody said above, won't be required in second year or any other year. So some of us try to get the vital marks for them in homework, continuous assessment and assignments. Some are not so bright at programming either. As the Tutor told me : " You only worry about one subject, I have fellows coming in here to me worried about failing in FIVE ! "

Thanks to the pseudocode hint I got here earlier, I have completed that Java assignment, coded correctly in full. Cheers and thanks for your time.

\btw the lads are such geeks that they are interested in nothing else only their laptops and programming - they didn't even bother, and won't, to elect a Class rep, so the Class Rep by Default remains unelected !!!

Then we also have several students from China, Hong Kong, Japan, Kazackastan etc whose English is so poor that you couldn't possibly refuse to help them unless you were callous and cruel :-)

As a Mature Student I feel somewhat responsible for the latter, so far away from home as they are.

LenovoUser

Arthur may disagree, who knows ?
But the Good Fellow won't get indigestion over it !

But perhaps you're right, the Admin might best edit judiciously.

Cheers.

PurpleFistMixer

Lenovo, an interesting thing about college is how one has to take responsibility for their own learning. Yes, certainly, helping your classmates is a natural thing to do, but doing their assignments for them achieves nothing. Whoever sets the degree course that they've elected to do has it set as a requirement that they have to pass X module, and even if it isn't strictly necessary for later years... it means precisely that; to advance, they have to pass it. Your classmates should be aware of this fact and if they don't want to repeat the year should be making it their business that they don't fail.
If it's a case that the teaching is so poor it's impossible to learn anything, your effort would be better spent trying to resolve this than doing other people's work for them.

LenovoUser

Actually, the way I hear it, and see it, passing the exam is not the main object at all about going to college, not by a long shot !

Being a tryer, learning to use all the resources you can muster, is a factor.

Respect, and duty to others less fortunate, is a huge factor in college life.

As is, for instance, playing rugger or cricket for the glory of the college though there are no marks for it, and in the former case a lot of physical pain.

And endurance , sacrifice too, even learning to live on the edge.

Basically, to learn to be all that you can be .

The teaching is fine.

The one quibble I would have is with this Continued Assessment, Assignments etc , that was brought in thirty years ago to help by giving marks to the weaker student.

Today it's used as a whip !

( If there wern't that many in daily attendance, there wouldn't be so much need for so many lecturers and staff ! )

In the Good Old days there was hardly any attendance at all, you READ for your degree, with perhaps an Annual Exam, usually at the end of first and fourth years - I know, went through it and loved it in UCD.

WIT afterwards.

It was the same in Trinity long before your time. The College has survived well, hasn't it ?
Cheers.

LenovoUser

BTW, re Exams, I have noted ( elsewhere) certain people attend, do assignments etc 100 % throughout the year - and go down badly in the annual exams, to everybody's amazement :-)

I'm not surprised, as usually it takes two very different types, The Assignments Man and the Exam Man.

The former is known as a "grey man " at Oxford - the latter emerges brilliantly :-)

Stands to reason, especially to anybody involved in sport .

LenovoUser

LenovoUser wrote: »

BTW, re Exams, I have noted ( elsewhere) certain people attend, do assignments etc 100 % throughout the year - and go down badly in the annual exams, to everybody's amazement :-)

I'm not surprised, as usually it takes two very different types, The Assignments Man and the Exam Man.

The former is known as a "grey man " at Oxford - the latter emerges brilliantly :-)

Stands to reason, especially to anybody involved in sport .

Hint : notice how many players come back after a year out injured and score straightaway ? Why ?

Another hint : I threw a certain assignment recently - and in the hours it would take me to do that assignment for four marks, tops, I revised the entire " Data Communications & Networking " course for the year at one sitting , target 40 marks max ! And still got 2 marks in that Assignment .

And, now, tomorrow, I shall commence to do likewise with the entire Digital Logic course for the year, fully revised by Monday - target 80 marks.

Then the Maths while I " throw " another Assignment :-)

And so on, so thjat by the break next week, I shall have all of the best part of 3 months on Java, Assembly and Processing.

We all have our ways, the Course Planners can only plan for the general case.

( I do the " Computer & Society" Assignments in one hour flat and have scored so far average 62 % ) .

JC 2K3

LenovoUser wrote: »

There are twice as many in this class as were last year, and though they're the best of programmers, they're clueless about Electrotechnology, Telecoms, Digital Design etc - and if they fail in over two subjects, they tell me, they will have to repeat the year - and most of them would not be able to pay fees. So what do you do ? It's no use telling them anything about those subjects they are that clueless, but brilliant at Java, Assembly and Processing 1.01. And I feel that they shouldn't be held back for subjects, that as somebody said above, won't be required in second year or any other year. So some of us try to get the vital marks for them in homework, continuous assessment and assignments. Some are not so bright at programming either. As the Tutor told me : " You only worry about one subject, I have fellows coming in here to me worried about failing in FIVE ! "

Digital Logic and Electrotech/Telecomms are most certainly required in 2nd year (2BA4/2BA5). Arguably the Electrotech part could be omitted, but it's stuff that should be known by CS students IMO.

And neither subject are very hard if you do some study. I'd argue that in the majority of cases you're not helping weaker students, you're helping lazy students.

And on the subject of second year, if you're getting others to do your work for you in first year, and you just about scrape through the year, there's no way you'll get through second year. At least if you're struggling and you make an actual effort to do some work, it shows you have some motivation to take responsibility for your own learning, and you'll have a better chance when things start to get a lot tougher.

Btw, I must point out that I have absolutely NO problem with help and guidance from your peers. But doing assignments for others is completely different and totally wrong. For example, what if a weak students puts hours of effort into an assignment and gets 8/10, whereas another student submits someone else's work and gets 9 or 10? Hardly fair, is it?

LenovoUser

LenovoUser wrote: »

Hint : notice how many players come back after a year out injured and score straightaway ? Why ?

Another hint : I threw a certain assignment recently - and in the hours it would take me to do that assignment for four marks, tops, I revised the entire " Data Communications & Networking " course for the year at one sitting , target 40 marks max ! And still got 2 marks in that Assignment .

And, now, tomorrow, I shall commence to do likewise with the entire Digital Logic course for the year, fully revised by Monday - target 80 marks.

Then the Maths while I " throw " another Assignment :-)

And so on, so thjat by the break next week, I shall have all of the best part of 3 months on Java, Assembly and Processing.

We all have our ways, the Course Planners can only plan for the general case.

( I do the " Computer & Society" Assignments in one hour flat and have scored so far average 62 % ) .

Electrotechnology - finished it in Michaelmas :-)