And the winner of dreamer of the year is...

quadrifoglio verde

Damn it, I knew I should have hung onto grand dads corolla.
In fairness it looks very clean, but jesus ****ing christ its a 1.3 corolla.
Were they that new?

166man

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

Damn it, I knew I should have hung onto grand dads corolla.
In fairness it looks very clean, but jesus ****ing christ its a 1.3 corolla.
Were they that new?

Some have an inexplicable horn for Toyotas and there's people out there that think they'll pay anything!

Clean enough looking car but Jaysus that's literally got another zero on it!

selectamatic

166man wrote: »

Some have an inexplicable horn for Toyotas and there's people out there that think they'll pay anything!

Clean enough looking car but Jaysus that's literally got another zero on it!

Many people's love for Toyota's and other Japanese stems from their reliability, availability and the performance of their base models when compared with other brands. Toyota's little 4efe is a prime example of this when compared with similar offerings from Germany and France. Toyota's and Honda's have gained a cult following from so called boy racers due to there almost indestructibility and the way in which their engines take "abuse". not many 1.6 engines outside of japan could hold up to the abuse 4age's get in ae86 corolla's up and down the country hence Japanese engines and in particular their petrol engines have a big following. Also many Toyota's handle better than some so called enthusiast's give them credit for, the credit that is blindly given to some other brands certainly isn't warranted sure some of the french/Italian cars handle very well but there are many offerings from these places that don't handle well at all and the same can be said of the German brands. Some of these motoring stereotypes are thrown about without anything to back them up, bar hearsay.

No one is going to pay 7k for an e10 1.3 corolla hence why it's a perfect offering for the dreamers thread however you worded your post as if to say well some fool will buy it because it's a Toyota however I can guarantee no one will because the attraction of Toyota's has and always will be reliability coupled with affordability. About a week ago there was a discussion as to whether a 20v 4age e10 hatchback was worth around 4k and I felt given rarity and the condition of the car in question that yes it probably was worth that sort of money however I seriously doubt any Toyota enthusiast would pay over 1.5k for a base model e10 regardless of condition.
I would go so far as to say that you have an inexplicable hatred of Toyota given the tone of your post.

JohnBoy26

ba_barabus wrote: »

There should actually be 3 keys with it. 2 main keys (in black) and 1 valet key (grey colour)

Was there a grey key in 1994? There was no immobilizer on this model.

166man

selectamatic wrote: »

Many people's love for Toyota's and other Japanese stems from their reliability, availability and the performance of their base models when compared with other brands. Toyota's little 4efe is a prime example of this when compared with similar offerings from Germany and France. Toyota's and Honda's have gained a cult following from so called boy racers due to there almost indestructibility and the way in which their engines take "abuse". not many 1.6 engines outside of japan could hold up to the abuse 4age's get in ae86 corolla's up and down the country hence Japanese engines and in particular their petrol engines have a big following. Also many Toyota's handle better than some so called enthusiast's give them credit for, the credit that is blindly given to some other brands certainly isn't warranted sure some of the french/Italian cars handle very well but there are many offerings from these places that don't handle well at all and the same can be said of the German brands. Some of these motoring stereotypes are thrown about without anything to back them up, bar hearsay.

No one is going to pay 7k for an e10 1.3 corolla hence why it's a perfect offering for the dreamers thread however you worded your post as if to say well some fool will buy it because it's a Toyota however I can guarantee no one will because the attraction of Toyota's has and always will be reliability coupled with affordability. About a week ago there was a discussion as to whether a 20v 4age e10 hatchback was worth around 4k and I felt given rarity and the condition of the car in question that yes it probably was worth that sort of money however I seriously doubt any Toyota enthusiast would pay over 1.5k for a base model e10 regardless of condition.
I would go so far as to say that you have an inexplicable hatred of Toyota given the tone of your post.

Thanks very much for that essay, much appreciated.

I agree that Japanese cars can and do take abuse, and in recent years found myself much more educated with regards to what they can do. I actually like some Toyotas, early starlets, Celicas etc.

The issue lies for me with the fact that so much of their cars these days are just dire. The Avensis upto 2014 was a poor car, the Corolla and Auris likewise.

The Toyotas they make now aren't a patch on older models and I don't believe the quality and reliability is still there. The cars are so completely average and offer nothing to the customer that you can't get from their Korean competitors. They still only offer a three year warranty!!

The driving experience with the models mentioned above is so average, the interiors are poor quality with low rent plastics very visible and their engines in some cases are way off the mark, all imo of course.

selectamatic

3 year warranty is the norm among the top brands! BMW, vw, Honda all offer 3 year warranties, fiat only really offer a two year one from what I can remember so why is it that Toyota should be the first to jump to 7 like the Korean brands? Warranties don't effect reliability and the stats are there to be seen and despite what you say Honda, Toyota and Mazda are at the top regardless if their "short" warranties.
All cars have plastic ridden interiors and over the last 15 years I've never seen buttons and trim wear in a Toyota any quicker than any other brand. In fact the German brands leave a lot to be desired particularly audi and their radio buttons. If you compare a 2014 2.0d4d avensis with a 2014 2.0tdi audi a4 both in 120bhp variants it's hard understand why the audi is dearer and the avensis is the better handling of the two (I've driven both as there both owned by family members) this trend is evident down through models and years corolla vs golf in the noughties, Toyota iq is a super little city car which is well received by many too. For me the sterotype that Toyota died in the 90's just doesn't ring true. When like for like models are compared Toyota generally come out on top or are equally as good as their revivals obviously a 190bhp 320d is a better drive than an avensis but that's comparing two massively different cars with two different price tags. What this new avensis is like with a more powerful BMW engine remains to be seen but hopefully Toyota will have been able to sort bmws inability to produce quality timing chains. Also toyota's use of the psa 1.4 Diesel engine from peugeot and Citroen is another example of Toyota taking a very good engine and just slightly improving it's reliability, as when compared like for like the corolla is well on top when compared against a 307 in reliability stakes. We could go on but it's pointless you have your own views and I have mine, it's just I fear many peoples negative views of Toyota are down to stereotypes. It's a shame the 3.5v6 camry isn't viable for the Irish market as that's a car that would really change many people perceptions/misconceptions about Toyota.

JohnBoy26

Corolla doesn't use the psa 1.4 hdi. The corolla is powered by Toyota's own 1.4d4d unit.

Some people deriding Toyota's driving characteristics and interior quality clearly have no experience of their current line up. Interior quality is very good on their latest cars.

Celly Smunt

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Corolla doesn't use the psa 1.4 hdi. The corolla is powered by Toyota's own 1.4d4d unit.

Some people deriding Toyota's driving characteristics and interior quality clearly have no experience of their current line up. Interior quality is very good on their latest cars.

"Mr.Mishioku, can you take a picture of that half a metre of leather we put in the car so people won't see the Fischer Price interior they're actually buying?"

ba_barabus

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Was there a grey key in 1994? There was no immobilizer on this model.

There was in my dad's 94 Corolla. It had nothing to do with the immobiliser. You'd drop the car off for a valet and hand over the grey key. You were then meant to lock the boot with the black one. The grey key couldn't open it. Kind of a security feature. The grey key would only open the drivers door. The driver never had to leave they main key which would be attached to their house keys normally and also access to the boot was cut off for security.

We also had it in our 95 Carina. (The most unreliable car ever but Toyota bent over backwards to ensure my dad was one very happy customer)

Kind of a faff to be honest.

Toyotafanboi

At the risk of getting caught up in this, I am just curious as to the people who say toyota offer "fisher price interiors" and "low rent plastic" interiors, what are the dashboards in your cars made from? I though solid wood dashboards died out around the 70's?

For me, part of the charm of all of my 90's toyotas is the dashboard.

Superwofy

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

At the risk of getting caught up in this, I am just curious as to the people who say toyota offer "fisher price interiors" and "low rent plastic" interiors, what are the dashboards in your cars made from? I though solid wood dashboards died out around the 70's?

For me, part of the charm of all of my 90's toyotas is the dashboard.

For the most part, even with the higher end marques the dash is made out of hard plastic (rigidity). However, the areas that you touch (knees, elbows) are often made out of 'premium' materials such as soft-touch plastics or leather.

That's my take on it anyway. Sit in an FTO and you'll be greeted by acres of hard, black 90's plastic :cool:.

ba_barabus

I actually like the user friendliness of those Corolla interiors.

Toyotafanboi

10,000 views on that Corolla now, if only every user gave €1!

works out at around one view every 8 seconds since the ad was posted. getting a nice bit of exposure for an exceptional vehicle.

Celly Smunt

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

At the risk of getting caught up in this, I am just curious as to the people who say toyota offer "fisher price interiors" and "low rent plastic" interiors, what are the dashboards in your cars made from? I though solid wood dashboards died out around the 70's?

For me, part of the charm of all of my 90's toyotas is the dashboard.

It's what goes over the injection moulded plastic that counts, all Japanese manufacturers have been guilty of faux texturing their interiors cheaply instead of upholstering properly.

But that cheapness allows them to spend mechanically I suppose, well in earlier years anyway.

Toyotafanboi

Celly Smunt wrote: »

It's what goes over the injection moulded plastic that counts, all Japanese manufacturers have been guilty of faux texturing their interiors cheaply instead of upholstering properly.

But that cheapness allows them to spend mechanically I suppose, well in earlier years anyway.

on the same tangent, what mainstream manufacturers upholster dashboards "properly"? and what with?

i think i've yet to be in a car, ever, where the dash wasn't primarily moulded plastic. admittedly some of the more exciting models have plastic wood, plastic aluminium and plastic carbon fiber, but ultimately in mainstream, day to day models, dashboards are plastic.

selectamatic

Good to know about the 1.4d4d unit I was sure it was a psa derived unit, learn something new everyday. I really do feel the stereotype of interiors isn't really applicable nowadays from what I've seen toyota's interiors are as good as the German equivalents, I feel what's distorts peoples perceptions is the trim level for example many people who buy a golf won't go for the base line spec they'll fork out the extra cash for something higher but a lot of corolla buyers will just buy the lowest spec it's just the general trend you see in Ireland, but from first hand experience the interior in a corolla is better than what you'd find in a base line golf (vw's poverty spec steering wheel is horrendous). I'm not out to argue with people or put down other brands but I feel some if the jap brands and in particular Toyota get unfair criticism when compared with the competition after all you don't get leather as standard with any brand so again I just fail to see what people expect from Toyota, all modern cars have plenty of plastic it's just how it is.

Getting back to the dreamer part I'd say the corolla's owner is getting some amount of calls and texts informing her of the extortionate price, I wonder how long she'll leave it up until she gets the message. I've seen middlen ae86 corollas sell for less!

Toyotafanboi

you'd actually love to see a snapshot into her mind and see how she came up with that figure.

(first number of number plate + second number in number plate) x (number of seats x amount of headlights) x (quantity of wheel nuts) x (forward gears) - (CC's of engine - cost of a years tax) - (amount of letters in the word "Corolla"^2) - (the amount of door handles).

yeah, that was probably it.

Long Time Lurker

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

At the risk of getting caught up in this, I am just curious as to the people who say toyota offer "fisher price interiors" and "low rent plastic" interiors, what are the dashboards in your cars made from? I though solid wood dashboards died out around the 70's?

For me, part of the charm of all of my 90's toyotas is the dashboard.

Nah they're shiote. They'll never break that's for sure but they're just awful to look at. Big swathes of un textured plastics in horrible colours and in places where you'd never find it on a nice car. Dependability and reliability is second to none. Desirability is up there with a time share holiday apartment in Syria.

JohnBoy26

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

Nah they're shiote. They'll never break that's for sure but they're just awful to look at. Big swathes of un textured plastics in horrible colours and in places where you'd never find it on a nice car. Dependability and reliability is second to none. Desirability is up there with a time share holiday apartment in Syria.

What current Toyota has these "un textured plastics"? and what are the "horrible colours"?

166man

selectamatic wrote: »

3 year warranty is the norm among the top brands! BMW, vw, Honda all offer 3 year warranties, fiat only really offer a two year one from what I can remember so why is it that Toyota should be the first to jump to 7 like the Korean brands? Warranties don't effect reliability and the stats are there to be seen and despite what you say Honda, Toyota and Mazda are at the top regardless if their "short" warranties.
All cars have plastic ridden interiors and over the last 15 years I've never seen buttons and trim wear in a Toyota any quicker than any other brand. In fact the German brands leave a lot to be desired particularly audi and their radio buttons. If you compare a 2014 2.0d4d avensis with a 2014 2.0tdi audi a4 both in 120bhp variants it's hard understand why the audi is dearer and the avensis is the better handling of the two (I've driven both as there both owned by family members) this trend is evident down through models and years corolla vs golf in the noughties, Toyota iq is a super little city car which is well received by many too. For me the sterotype that Toyota died in the 90's just doesn't ring true. When like for like models are compared Toyota generally come out on top or are equally as good as their revivals obviously a 190bhp 320d is a better drive than an avensis but that's comparing two massively different cars with two different price tags. What this new avensis is like with a more powerful BMW engine remains to be seen but hopefully Toyota will have been able to sort bmws inability to produce quality timing chains. Also toyota's use of the psa 1.4 Diesel engine from peugeot and Citroen is another example of Toyota taking a very good engine and just slightly improving it's reliability, as when compared like for like the corolla is well on top when compared against a 307 in reliability stakes. We could go on but it's pointless you have your own views and I have mine, it's just I fear many peoples negative views of Toyota are down to stereotypes. It's a shame the 3.5v6 camry isn't viable for the Irish market as that's a car that would really change many people perceptions/misconceptions about Toyota.

I look at this post and the word "paragraph" comes to mind. If you're going to argue a point at least lay it out in a concise manner.

You expect me to take you seriously when in one section of the essay above you compare an Avensis to an Audi and then go onto say that an Avensis compared to a diesel 3-Series is massively different? A bit of consistency would go a long way here.

The Toyota Iq was a cool little car I agree but wasn't it massively overpriced?

Fiat are offering a 5 year warranty now by the way yet Toyota still only offer three, what does that say about the confidence they have?

I had an Avensis last year for a week or so and it was very poor. The interior was a complete letdown, cheap nasty plastics and the steering wheel and gearknob all faded and worn away etc. The engine was gutless too, 120bhp vs 140+ in the competition. I could go on and on!

Toyota have made and do still make some cool cars but most of their stuff is boring uninteresting and offers nothing new as the competitors have blown them away. Simple really, unfortunately some are just so blinded that they still think Toyotas are still made to a high quality, it's hilarious.

fancy pigeon

^^^^
Amen brother

I'm all for people recommending this that and the other but usually they have their head so far up their arse that when it comes out again they spew nothing but utter sh*t. Then throw a strop when people challenge them using "quotation marks" and IMO after every sentence to "play it safe and cover all angles"

Or go quiet because they know they're wrong, again, and are too thick to admit it.

Unfortunately, there are far too many of those type of dickhead about in our everyday lives. Obe boot does not fit all. What kind of sick twisted world are they living in eh...

My 2 cents. IMO EMO and all that usual crap

selectamatic

I compared a 120bhp tdi a4 to a 120bhp d4d avensis so yes my comparison made perfect sense. A 190+bhp top spec rwd 320d with a much higher price tag isn't a fair comparison so I don't see why you can't understand what I've said.

Edit: apologies about getting the fiat warranties wrong I confused their 2 year pan European unlimited milage warranty with their actual 5 year/100,000km warranty however my point still stands about the other major manufactures offering 3 year warranties.

Toyotafanboi

I'm not saying you take pretty much any oppertunity to shoot Toyota down as a brand 166man, but, it's clear you do. Even though you often mask it at the end with an I kinda like their old **** type response. You should see some of your responses when people berate Fiat/ Alfa... You wish so dearly for people to enjoy and appreciate your marque of choice but simply can't seem to let people be to enjoy another even if it is for a reason as foolish as the reason you like yours.

I think a lot of Selectamatics responses were actually quite logical and grounded if you read them with a broad mind and hadn't got a response in mind before you even started reading.

Toyotafanboi

Dreamers?

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10733357

Fine car and all it is but €6k is never going to happen, no test, no (private) tax, needs paintwork and suspension work.

JohnBoy26

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Dreamers?

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10733357

Fine car and all it is but €6k is never going to happen, no test, no (private) tax, needs paintwork and suspension work.

They're nice cars. That one isn't the best example though.

166man

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I'm not saying you take pretty much any oppertunity to shoot Toyota down as a brand 166man, but, it's clear you do. Even though you often mask it at the end with an I kinda like their old **** type response. You should see some of your responses when people berate Fiat/ Alfa... You wish so dearly for people to enjoy and appreciate your marque of choice but simply can't seem to let people be to enjoy another even if it is for a reason as foolish as the reason you like yours.

I think a lot of Selectamatics responses were actually quite logical and grounded if you read them with a broad mind and hadn't got a response in mind before you even started reading.

Just to clarify here TFB, I have driven enough newer Toyotas to know that I think they are absolutely below par. That's not a dig at you or anything so don't take it personally btw. An Avensis/Yaris/Corolla/Auris offer absolutely nothing over their competitors and if they do I'd like you to point them out to me.

That's actually not a "****" response. Dad used to have a 2.0 Carina absolutely brilliant car, his Avensis after that was a bag of dung.

You're mad for Toyota and that's not going to change. I think a quick look at my posts in recent times show I don't try and force Alfa on anyone. But I'm damn well entitled to offer an opinion on a brand that I think isn't what it used to be.

Toyotafanboi

That's great

power pants

I think its sweet you 2 love a brand so much. Maybe the forum could chip together and get you an alfa and toyota bed linen for xmas

166man

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

That's great

Classic.




Anyhow in the interests of dreamers thread came across this, this evening

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/10742300
nissan

€14k for a Zx?? Clean low mileage car no doubt but it couldn't be worth that much....:o

Marty McFly

That's at least 10k over priced.