Is a Government Collapse Imminent???

Darragh29

As it says on the tin, are we looking at the government falling imminently or is this all just pie in the sky???

Daroxtar

Its definately looking likely but i dont know if it will do any good. Kenny will get in and pass a law against anyone ever enjoying themselves again. Horse hair shirts and knitted underwear will become compulsory and anyone not joining the pioneers will be forced to go to michael english concerts

P. Breathnach

For the Government to fall, two things need to happen:
1. The Greens need to withdraw (possible) or a number of FF people need to resign (very improbable);
2. The opposition need to put down and win a no-confidence motion.

I don't think the opposition are ready for that yet.

Phototoxin

As it says on the tin, are we looking at the government falling imminently

Hopefully...

HashSlinging

Well TBH if they dont fail I personally will be picketing dublin airport. Like the Thai people.. I'll need a bit of help... any takers..

i57dwun4yb1pt8

its looking likely that the scandals to come will kill them stone dead by july at the latest , and most likely by may .

thank - fcuking - god

Duiske

It could be closer than most think. When the crap finally hits the fan over the mess in the banking sector, if anything sticks to Fianna Fail then the greens will have no option but to pull out.

nuttz

How many threads have you started today on this topic?

Darragh29

DaDumTish wrote: »

its looking likely that the scandals to come will kill them stone dead by july at the latest , and most likely by may .

thank - fcuking - god

I doubt this government will see the next two weeks. I would have set up a poll on this but I don't know where the tick box for setting up a poll has gone to.... :rolleyes:

There will be major protests in town this Saturday that I'll be going to, and we have the Anglo report being issued on Friday. Between the report being released on Friday and God only knows what else will emerge between now and then, I think we'll be seeing hundreds of thousands of extremely irate people on the streets of Dublin City this Saturday...

Tropheus

Fianna Fail have been a corrupt party for more years than I care to remember. The chickens are coming home to roost.

pvt.joker

Darragh29 wrote: »

I doubt this government will see the next two weeks. I would have set up a poll on this but I don't know where the tick box for setting up a poll has gone to.... :rolleyes:

There will be major protests in town this Saturday that I'll be going to, and we have the Anglo report being issued on Friday. Between the report being released on Friday and God only knows what else will emerge between now and then, I think we'll be seeing hundreds of thousands of extremely irate people on the streets of Dublin City this Saturday...

Hopefully we'll see this happening. They are a shower of fúcking crooks and should be run out of the country.

mikemac

It won't collapse
And not a thing will happen until the local elections and whenever Lisbon II is.

I do see Cowan going and Michael (can't type fadas ) Martin will be taking over. A few people have said it, I think it's worth a punt that he'll be Taoiseach before the end of 2009

/strolls over to Paddy Power.com checking odds

Darragh29

mikemac wrote: »

It won't collapse
And not a thing will happen until the local elections and whenever Lisbon II is.

I do see Cowan going and Michael (can't type fadas ) Martin will be taking over. A few people have said it, I think it's worth a punt that he'll be Taoiseach before the end of 2009

/strolls over to Paddy Power.com checking odds

Welcome to the discussion.

Your finger>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The Pulse<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

You can't even spell Cowen ffs...

Daroxtar

mikemac wrote: »

It won't collapse
And not a thing will happen until the local elections and whenever Lisbon II is.

I do see Cowan going and Michael (can't type fadas ) Martin will be taking over. A few people have said it, I think it's worth a punt that he'll be Taoiseach before the end of 2009

/strolls over to Paddy Power.com checking odds

michael martin??? sweet jesus save us

JonathanAnon

mikemac wrote: »

I do see Cowan going and Michael (can't type fadas )

CTRL + ALT + a = á
CTRL + ALT + e = é
;-)

Too disconsolate to make a comment on the government. This Anglo thing could ruin the country on it's own.

nesf

Darragh29 wrote: »

Welcome to the discussion.

Your finger>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The Pulse<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

You can't even spell Cowen ffs...

Darragh29 just because you start a thread doesn't mean you own it.

mikemac

Hey, my opinion, could be right, could be wrong. I'll check in two weeks and see if your prediction was true.

I answered your question while some others ranted about FF.
Were you looking for opinions or were you looking for one line posts with rants?
Was the title of your thread, post what you hate about FF? If so I'd have posted something different

Oops, a spelling mistake in the early hours of the morning , truely sorry Darragh :rolleyes:

Darragh29

nesf wrote: »

Darragh29 just because you start a thread doesn't mean you own it.

I take your point. I'm so angry about this, I don't know how there are any people out there with a vague acceptance of what is going on here....

mikemac wrote: »

Hey, my opinion, could be right, could be wrong. I'll check in two weeks and see if your prediction was true.

I answered your question while some others ranted about FF.
Were you looking for opinions or were you looking for one line posts with rants?
Was the title of your thread, post what you hate about FF? If so I'd have posted something different

Oops, a spelling mistake in the early hours of the morning , truely sorry Darragh :rolleyes:

Deal...

skelliser

well dan boyle said that the greens want to know who the golden ten are and it must be made public asap, so in a way thats a kinda ultimatum to cowen.
Either way this weekend is gonna be very interesting with the anglo report due on friday and the congress protest on saturday!

nesf

Darragh29 wrote: »

I take your point. I'm so angry about this, I don't know how there are any people out there with a vague acceptance of what is going on here....

People will disagree with you, it's the nature of politics. Try to remain civil at all times on here please.

nesf

skelliser wrote: »

well dan boyle said that the greens want to know who the golden ten are and it must be made public asap, so in a way thats a kinda ultimatum to cowen.
Either way this weekend is gonna be very interesting with the anglo report due on friday and the congress protest on saturday!

Did he? All I heard him say was that if it came to light that a Minister was one of the ten that the Green Party would have to seriously reconsider staying in Government.

Darragh29

nesf wrote: »

Did he? All I heard him say was that if it came to light that a Minister was one of the ten that the Green Party would have to seriously reconsider staying in Government.

According to Cowen, a minister isn't involved. But he hasn't denied that a FF TD is involved which is telling.

skelliser

nesf wrote: »

Did he? All I heard him say was that if it came to light that a Minister was one of the ten that the Green Party would have to seriously reconsider staying in Government.

i think he said something to that effect or at least insinuated on morning ireland yesterday

deadhead13

mikemac wrote: »

It won't collapse
And not a thing will happen until the local elections and whenever Lisbon II is.

I do see Cowan going and Michael (can't type fadas ) Martin will be taking over. A few people have said it, I think it's worth a punt that he'll be Taoiseach before the end of 2009

/strolls over to Paddy Power.com checking odds

Micheal Martin has been keeping his head down throughout the crisis. As has Dermot Ahern. This hasn't happened by accident. You could be right.

skelliser

Darragh29 wrote: »

According to Cowen, a minister isn't involved. But he hasn't denied that a FF TD is involved which is telling.

hmm..... in galway there is a ff TD who has well documented massive list of property both here and in other countries!
But im sure that the same could be said of other ff TD's.

mumhaabu

Fianna Fail are under extreme pressure to manage the finances of the country and rumour within influential circles of banking and politics is that they are now considering Nationalising peoples private savings and replacing them with Government Bonds (gilds) which would amount to National Robbery of every man, woman and child, this represents the dying actions of a regime that was the most corrupt ever. What happened in Anglo Irish Bank is nothing when compared to the other wrong doings yet to surface.

I have no pity for the Public servents as each and every one of them are FF voters who have now jumped ship. Ireland is at a cross roads politically and I for one hope that Fianna Fail are well and truly buried forever and what they have done to the country.

nesf

mumhaabu wrote: »

rumour within influential circles of banking and politics is that they are now considering Nationalising peoples private savings and replacing them with Government Bonds (gilds) which would amount to National Robbery of every man, woman and child, this represents the dying actions of a regime that was the most corrupt ever.

Source?

Agent Smith

Reuters wrote:

Pressure mounted on Ireland's prime minister on Wednesday as his coalition partners warned their support was not automatic against a backdrop of banking scandals and the European Union began disciplinary budget steps.
The Green Party's support, crucial to Brian Cowen's parliamentary majority, was in the spotlight as banking sector controversies and a deepening recession send popular support for Cowen and his Fianna Fail party to record lows.

"We are committed to remaining in government but that is not an open-ended commitment," Green Party Chairman Dan Boyle told Reuters in an interview.
He said the Greens would review support for Cowen if any politicians were directly linked to the scandals.

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This could get very very interesting very quickly

zootroid

If the government does collapse, and a general election is called, I hope every last bit of dirt comes out, so that when people do vote that have all the information about what exactly went on. If this happens, I'd expect FF to go by the wayside

Darragh29

skelliser wrote: »

hmm..... in galway there is a ff TD who has well documented massive list of property both here and in other countries!
But im sure that the same could be said of other ff TD's.

As does Ivor Callely, along with Noel O' Flynn, who has substantial property & business interests in the motor industry.

pvt.joker

fúcking crooks the whole lot of them. Fianna Fail will hopefully never again be in Government after this.

Darragh29

This is an 087 government, READY TO GO!

Dannyboy83

P. Breathnach wrote: »

For the Government to fall, two things need to happen:
1. The Greens need to withdraw (possible) or a number of FF people need to resign (very improbable);
2. The opposition need to put down and win a no-confidence motion.

I don't think the opposition are ready for that yet.

I think this is very accurate, at the moment.
It could of course change very rapidly.

This forum is full of conscientious political followers and debaters.
The public are a very different animal.

They're more interested in the Ireland V England rugby game and are quite happy to stroll down to the pub and drown their sorrows.
Be it apathy or lack of intelligence, possibly both, the general public really don't care and accept anything and everything you throw at them UNTIL you hit them in the pocket......thats when people come out of their hazy trance and get vocal.

Like a bunch of monkeys really.

luckat

Duiske wrote: »

then the greens will have no option but to pull out.

Greens... no option... greens... no option... greens... does not compute... does not compute...

Permabear

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Villain

The next Government won't be as good pals to the Developers or Bankers imo. The Loby groups of the past 15 years that have been running this government will have to start from scratch which can only be a good thing, as to whether Enda Kenny would be able for the office of Taoiseach????

Pub07

Villain wrote: »

The next Government won't be as good pals to the Developers or Bankers imo. The Loby groups of the past 15 years that have been running this government will have to start from scratch which can only be a good thing, as to whether Enda Kenny would be able for the office of Taoiseach????

How could he be worse than Brian Cowen or Bertie who have the turned the country into a complete mess and disgraced us internationally.

Villain

I'm not saying he will be worse, I just don't know how good he will be, imo Richard Bruton would be far far better

Zynks

I wish for FF out of power soon
I wish a miracle happens and we find a decent new government

Ah, since I am being so optimistic, I wish we get a really good summer so we can go to the beach while this mess continues.

jimmycrackcorm

Zynks wrote: »

I wish for FF out of power soon
I wish a miracle happens and we find a decent new government

Ah, since I am being so optimistic, I wish we get a really good summer so we can go to the beach while this mess continues.

What's the point. The other parties don't have any answers. I'd bet they are praying that the government don't fold otherwise they are will have to make all the awful decisions coming up. If they can hold out until things improve them they can capitalize on the FF mess for years.

Zynks

Yes and no.... you seem to assume FF has what it takes to get us out of this mess. I am not that confident.

RiverWilde

I hope to god FF and the Greens are pulled down soon. (I'll never vote FF again, I did last time I gave Beverly Flynn my 16th preference).
FG and Labour would be a good combination. With a bit of luck there will be no FF or Green or PD ghosts around in the Dail to spoil things.

Riv

swiss

mumhaabu wrote: »

Fianna Fail are under extreme pressure to manage the finances of the country and rumour within influential circles of banking and politics is that they are now considering Nationalising peoples private savings and replacing them with Government Bonds (gilds) which would amount to National Robbery of every man, woman and child, this represents the dying actions of a regime that was the most corrupt ever. What happened in Anglo Irish Bank is nothing when compared to the other wrong doings yet to surface.

Of all the speculation around Government action and inaction surrounding this crisis, this could be the most worrying.

If even a hint of this was released by Government or through any sort of reliable source it would immediately trigger a run on the banks. The Government guarantee would be called in, and the nation would be bankrupted. Game over.

For this reason, I doubt this is true. Every sensible commentator would scream blue murder at the very suggestion of this.

mumhaabu

swiss wrote: »

Of all the speculation around Government action and inaction surrounding this crisis, this could be the most worrying.

If even a hint of this was released by Government or through any sort of reliable source it would immediately trigger a run on the banks. The Government guarantee would be called in, and the nation would be bankrupted. Game over.

For this reason, I doubt this is true. Every sensible commentator would scream blue murder at the very suggestion of this.

I have heard this from people who generally are not wrong and it has me worried. It happened in alot of ex-soviet states around 1990 when they broke away and people only got their money back in 2004 in Latvia and Lithuania I think. There will be a run on the banks very soon and Ireland inc. as we know it is Bankrupt already and has been morally bankrupt since FF got in repeatedly in 2002 and 2007. I know one person who has his entire savings in Gold ingots (an ounce or two) either that or cold hard cash. When the bank run happens those with cash will be lucky as at least we have Euro's which are a hard currency and people will be able to relocate to other parts of the EU with their savings if neccesary.

I personally hope that FF are ousted because this measure is being talked about with the inner circles and will be deployed against the people in a fight to the finish with FF/Developers V everyone else. The nation will be milked for every last cent before this is all over wait and see.


I bash FF yes but this is not the FF that DeValera and Jack Lynch had this resembles something more like Putin in Russia and the oligarcs being the developers. Plus the dole is going to be slashed soon with the excuse that stuff is now cheaper.

The clouds are gathering. I await the storm.

*Honey*

I have never voted for Fianna Fail in my life (I am VERY proud of this). I voted for the Green Party in the last election because I thought they actually had some morals - obviously proved wrong, I never thought they'd prostitute themselves by getting into bed with Fianna Fail.

The only party I'd vote for now is the Labour Party - I can only hope that they can see us though. Eamon Gilmore is a very credible leader, far more credible than Enda Kenny who'd have us back in 1950's Ireland if he had his way (I cannot abide that man, he is such a joke).

I worry about this country, I worry a lot... we have been shafted left, right and centre and we, the regular workers of this country (whether we are public or private sector workers [and I'm SO sick of that arguement]) are left to cope with the mess.

peasant

donegalfella wrote: »

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donegalfella preaching anarchy ...I thought I'd never see the day

On topic:

The best we can hope for is an immediate collapse of the current governement (by whatever legal means) and the immediate formation of a new one (maybe the famous national governement?) that will have clear majority support and the guts to upend the bin now, get all the rubbish out and clean it up as swiftly as is humanly possible. Reform of everything is needed, staring from the top. Once led by example, I'm quietly hopeful that everyone will follow.

Worst case scenario is that current shower hang on for another year or so, the scandals keep dripping out, halfhearted, devisive measures may or may not be implemented while some part of the population is out on strike preventing the other half from doing their job, thus bringing the country completely to its knees.

stevedublin

donegalfella wrote: »

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coudn't disagree more. Greed in the private sector/banks and lack of government interference in house price bubble is to blame for the current fiscal problems. The government need to take more action not less.

As to the drama queens talking about a run on the banks - get a grip, things are not that bad!

Daithinski

Paddy Power seems to think the collapse of the Government will happen this year. The odds currently being given on a general election in 2009 are 1-2

http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_type&category=SPECIALS&disp_cat_id=56&ev_class_id=33&ev_type_id=694&ev_oc_grp_ids=88128&bir_index=

I've never voted FF but I would be tempted to vote for them if this happened.

There is something not quite right about letting them walk away from the mess they are responsible for.:mad:

r0nanf

I still have the shrill pitch of "better the divil you know than the divil you don't" ringing in my ears from the last general election. Maybe this sh*t storm will help focus the short term memories of those who continually vote for their back pocket.

Gilmore and Labour FTW

thebigcheese22

r0nanf wrote: »

I still have the shrill pitch of "better the divil you know than the divil you don't" ringing in my ears from the last general election. Maybe this sh*t storm will help focus the short term memories of those who continually vote for their back pocket.

Gilmore and Labour FTW

+1
I was listening to Joan Burton tonight and i firmly believe Labour can solve this mess. Granted we might have to go into coalition with Fine Gael, but I believe the country could not go wrong with Burton, or indeed, Richard Bruton in charge of this country's finances.

nuttz

thebigcheese22 wrote: »

+1
I was listening to Joan Burton tonight and i firmly believe Labour can solve this mess.

Slightly off topic, but a day doesn't seem to go by without hearing Joan Burton expressing an opinion on something.

The government seem too calm to me to indicate that a collapse is imminent. By that I mean I don't see panic in their manner/demeanor. They seem to be controlling what goes to the media, maybe too much with the vagueness of their language.

That's my two cents.