New Lily Allen song- not bad.

tech77

Heard it on the radio there and i must admit it's quite catchy.
Never liked anything else by her until now.
What do you think.

Miranda_McCool

Lilly Allen is a disturbingly poor artist. Her new album is an atrocious exhibition of poorly produced melodies and rather done-before lyrics, showcasing Lilly Allen as a pop tart spoiled on riches rather than any actual talent. Her voice also resembles some sort of juvenile droning, and she cant dance. Poor talent! Boo!!!!!

Latchy

Remember Kylie Minogue started off with ' I should be so lucky ' then went on to superstardom devloping her own style /music .The same might be said of Lilly Allen now . i think her new single is as good as anything around today from that genere of newish pop artists

nyarlothothep

no

DarkJager

Miranda_McCool wrote: »

Lilly Allen is a disturbingly poor artist. Her new album is an atrocious exhibition of poorly produced melodies and rather done-before lyrics, showcasing Lilly Allen as a pop tart spoiled on riches rather than any actual talent. Her voice also resembles some sort of juvenile droning, and she cant dance. Poor talent! Boo!!!!!

This coming from someone who rates Britney Spears as one of the best things since sliced bread :rolleyes:

sceptre

DarkJager wrote: »

This coming from someone who rates Britney Spears as one of the best things since sliced bread :rolleyes:

Ah, see that's a fair point.

I like the new Lily Allen album. The Japanese version comes with two extra tracks and a slightly different version of "Everyone's at it".

biko

Is the BumBum song out yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_4tQ3UZOlo

Miranda_McCool

DarkJager wrote: »

This coming from someone who rates Britney Spears as one of the best things since sliced bread :rolleyes:

Britneys talent and charisma got her a recording contract. What did Lilly Allen do to get one? She just waved some cash around, thats what. She cant sing, she cant dance, and she also kicked a paparzzi, what a junkie!

Seillejet

She wouldnt be my usual taste in music but I quite like her outlook and style. She reminds me of a British Pink and to be honest I would find her much more tolerable than your X factor winners and runner ups etc.

MagicMarker

Miranda_McCool wrote: »

Britneys talent and charisma got her a recording contract. What did Lilly Allen do to get one? She just waved some cash around, thats what. She cant sing, she cant dance, and she also kicked a paparzzi, what a junkie!

Britney's ass in a school uniform got her whatever the hell she wanted.

As for Lilly Allen, she can't sing Whitney Houston songs but she can do what she does, and who gives a fúck about dancing?

Dudess

Great song - love the melody, class lyrics. It's clearly about Cheryl Cole.
I think Lily Allen is a great pop performer.

Miranda_McCool wrote: »

Lilly Allen is a disturbingly poor artist. Her new album is an atrocious exhibition of poorly produced melodies and rather done-before lyrics, showcasing Lilly Allen as a pop tart spoiled on riches rather than any actual talent. Her voice also resembles some sort of juvenile droning, and she cant dance. Poor talent! Boo!!!!!

:eek: - but I thought you thought it wasn't ok to criticise singers. That it was "nasty" and "jealous" etc and should only be done by people who have musical talent themselves. Oh wait... that only applies when a person is criticising Britney.
Going by your logic in the other thread, you're obviously jealous of Lily - because only jealous people criticise, isn't that right?

Miranda_McCool wrote: »

Britneys talent and charisma got her a recording contract. What did Lilly Allen do to get one? She just waved some cash around, thats what. She cant sing, she cant dance, and she also kicked a paparzzi, what a junkie!

No... Lily's talent - very pretty voice, great lyrics, great tunes - got her a recording contract too. Plus, she doesn't rely on removing her clothing or appealing to the inner paedo. As for your view that Britney's lyrics are better than Lily's clever, witty ones - LOL.
And while looks don't have anything to do with talent, you brought them up - Lily is absolutely beautiful: really striking with amazing eyes, flawless porcelain skin and smooth-as-silk raven hair. And a bit more interesting looking than the usual blonde, tanned generica.

Oh and Britney's the junkie...

445279.ie

tech77 wrote: »

Heard it on the radio there and i must admit it's quite catchy.
Never liked anything else by her until now.
What do you think.

I agree, never liked her stuff either till I heard The Fear

MagicMarker

Not to mention she has great legs!!

Diabhal Beag

Its a good song. Better than that Kardinal Offishal song. That sucks so much ass :mad:

Peyton Manning

I just cant get past her voice, it irritates me to hell. Having said that, the tune of the song is quite catchy so if you have no problems with her accent, its easy see why people would like that song.

Sir Oxman

I like The Fear, Womanizer version is pretty cool too.

overexcitedaj

gambiaman wrote: »

I like The Fear, Womanizer version is pretty cool too.

Wow she even makes Britney songs sound good. Lily Allen rocks

oh haha that was a coinsidence . Just saw all that stuff bout Britney Spears on this and that other thread. :P

unregged.

Miranda_McCool wrote: »

Lilly Allen is a disturbingly poor artist. Her new album is an atrocious exhibition of poorly produced melodies and rather done-before lyrics, showcasing Lilly Allen as a pop tart spoiled on riches rather than any actual talent. Her voice also resembles some sort of juvenile droning, and she cant dance. Poor talent! Boo!!!!!

Poor artist really? So what about the fact the album went STRAIGHT TO NO 1 AS WELL AS THE FEAR (SINGLE) IN the UK???

so is is still a poor untalented artist?

Dudess

To be fair, going to number 1 does not necessarily mean talented or good. Look at all the number 1s Westlife had...

Diabhal Beag

Ah now. Even if you don't like Westlife you still have to respect what they have done. They are the best possible Boyzone result imaginable.

stovelid

I can't bear her. I'm sorry, it's not even a rational thing.

I detest that mockney voice, some of the faux-street lyrics and any of the tunes I've heard. With Mike Skinner, she's also responsible for the Kate Nash school of Pat Butcher Rap, and she's related to Keith Allen, another f8cking spoofer that I have an irrational dislike of.

No use in even debating it here, cos I know I'm probably being unreasonable. And obviously I'd far prefer to see a gobby, drug-taking, independent woman in the charts than some of the other stuff that's around, but I just can't like it personally.

KnifeWRENCH

She does have a nice voice when she doesn't overemphasise her accent.

"The Fear" is a pretty good song, though her best song is still "Smile" (one of the best pop songs of the 2000's imo)

Dudess

Little Shyte wrote: »

Ah now. Even if you don't like Westlife you still have to respect what they have done.

No. While I agree some of them have very good voices, they recorded awful, awful, awful stuff. It wasn't thanks to Westlife anyway, it was the slick production and marketing machine. Any other four/five lads with the right looks/voices and the result would have been the same.

They are the best possible Boyzone result imaginable.

Another example of gazillion sellers but not actually any good...

stovelid wrote: »

I detest that mockney voice, some of the faux-street lyrics

In my opinion her lyrics come across as sincere - she's middle-class sure, but hung out with some tough nuts. Once she doesn't pretend she's from the ghetto too (and she doesn't) I don't have a problem with that. I don't think her accent is that mockney either.

With Mike Skinner, she's also responsible for the Kate Nash school of Pat Butcher Rap

Well now those two I find unlistenable. And Mike Skinner is from Birmingham...

Nailz

Miranda_McCool wrote: »

Lilly Allen is a disturbingly poor artist. Her new album is an atrocious exhibition of poorly produced melodies and rather done-before lyrics, showcasing Lilly Allen as a pop tart spoiled on riches rather than any actual talent. Her voice also resembles some sort of juvenile droning, and she cant dance. Poor talent! Boo!!!!!

Are you still talking shįt?! Jesus woman go away and don't come back until you find a decent taste in music and share the same music knowledge everybody else on the forum does! Only primary school children listen to Britney-fûcking-Spears (15 year olds at best)!

I a bit of a fan of Lily Allen, she was outstanding on Jools Holland, and she's a moddest girl, something rearly said for other popular artists. Jools knows his artists and he believes Lily Allen is one of the best singers of the current period. She has a class to her singing if she wishes to use it, something she admittedly use in her breakthrough and opted for more of a Mockney/Cockney style (which I thought was a mistake because she took a suburb slum look even though she was born with a silver spoon in her mouth being Keith Allens daughter). But she seems to be taking the music alot more seriously now.

stovelid

Dudess wrote: »

Well now those two I find unlistenable. And Mike Skinner is from Birmingham...

From Birmingham.; at London. Innit.

MisterAnarchy

"The Fear" is a catchy song and quite different from her earlier stuff which I thought was poor.
I presume this is mostly due to her co writer on the song .
Written by Lily Allen and Greg Kurstin, and produced by the latter.

kerash

This is my favourite Lily Allen, Driving me wild with Common.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1G28NWjhL8

She has her style because that's what she can do, take it or leave it. Overall she makes the best of her ability, inoffensive (to my ears anyhow) pop songs. Although I dont have any of her albums...

,8,1

Dudess wrote:

Great song - love the melody, class lyrics. It's clearly about Cheryl Cole.
I think Lily Allen is a great pop performer.

Of course you do. She's a feminist.

Allen's chart hits could be referenced for proof of the above, but also:

wrote:

The Woman Thing: "Being in this industry has turned me into a feminist because it just angers me so much the lack of respect and how patronising especially male journalists can be." The NME got her goat when they photographed Lily, Beth Ditto and The Long Blondes' Kate Jackson for a cover celebrating women in music, but then decided to feature male indie band Muse instead.

Hell hath no fury like a cover star scorned and Lily wrote that the NME "should take their heads out of their arses" and "think about their responsibilities to youth culture and to women in general". When the editor soothingly commented that she, Ditto and Jackson "brought new energy to the music scene" and were "living proof that you can still rock a crowd when you're wearing stilettos", Lily blew a gasket. "I mean how ****ing patronising. Is that all we are, stiletto-wearing people? Is that all he could say, that we brought a 'new energy' to the music scene? Don't make me sick, we've always been there."

No, Lily, you're not just stilletto wearing people. You're talentless feminist gits whose success is the result of a synergy with the mores of our culture, not because of any musical or lyrical worth.

Splendour

I can take or leave Lily Allen but think the lyrics of Not Fair are seriously unsuitable to play on the airwaves. My kids are at an age where they'll listen to the latest chart hits and tbh, I hate them listening to the trash that Ms. Allen is singing about in this song.



oh he treats me with respect he says he loves me all the time
he calls me fifteen times a day he likes to make sure that I'm fine
you know I've never met a man whose made me feel quite so secure
hes not like all them other boys they're all so dumb and immature

there's just one thing that's getting in the way
when we go up to bed you're just not good it's such a shame
I look into your eyes I want to get to know you
and then you make this noise and its apparent it's all over

it's not fair and I think your really mean
I think your really mean
yes I think your really mean

oh your supposed to care but you never make me scream
you never make me scream

oh it's not fair and it's really not ok
it's really not ok
it's really not ok

oh your supposed to care but all you do is take
all you do is take

well I lie here in the wet patch in the middle of the bed
I'm feeling pretty damn hard done by, I spent ages giving headthen I remember all the nice things that you've ever said to me
maybe I'm just overreacting, maybe your the one for me

there's just one thing that's getting in the way
when we go up to bed you're just not good it's such a shame
I look into your eyes I want to get to know you
and then you make this noise and its apparent it's all over
it's not fair and I think your really mean
I think your really mean
yes I think your really mean

oh your supposed to care but you never make me scream
you never make me scream

oh it's not fair and it's really not ok
it's really not ok
it's really not ok

oh your supposed to care but all you do is take
all you do is take

there's just one thing that's getting in the way
when we go up to bed you're just not good it's such a shame
I look into your eyes I want to get to know you
and then you make this noise and its apparent it's all over


it's not fair and I think your really mean
I think your really mean
yes I think your really mean

oh your supposed to care but you never make me scream
you never make me scream

oh it's not fair and it's really not ok
it's really not ok
it's really not ok

oh your supposed to care but all you do is take
all you do is take




Classy chick-not!

Dudess

Well the bits about the wet patch and giving head are blanked out of the radio version, but yeah, some of the other lyrics are quite raunchy and she IS someone whom nine-year-old girls would look up to, seeing as she's so pretty and doll-like. Perhaps the record company shouldn't have chosen that song as a single (I doubt the final say would be Allen's).
On the other hand though, I don't see anything wrong with a woman writing a song about being left unsatisfied and frustrated sexually, and it's highly likely those lyrics will go over a young girl's head - I've no doubt I was singing suggestive enough Madonna lyrics at the age of nine and not having an iota what they meant. If I had asked my mum what they meant, I'm sure she'd have been easily able to explain them away. I wonder whether the album has a "warning" label on it.

,8,1 wrote: »

Of course you do. She's a feminist.

Is she? First I've heard of it.

Allen's chart hits could be referenced for proof of the above, but also:



No, Lily, you're not just stilletto wearing people. You're talentless feminist gits whose success is the result of a synergy with the mores of our culture, not because of any musical or lyrical worth.

As I've asked you before (maybe you'll answer this time): why do you hate women and Jews?

Liam Byrne

Dudess wrote: »

Well the bits about the wet patch and giving head are blanked out of the radio version, but yeah, some of the other lyrics are quite raunchy

They're not raunchy - they're arrogant, sexist and pathetic!

If a guy wrote or sang those lyrics there would be uproar!

"You never make me scream" :rolleyes: .....Lily, that's because you come across as a complete shallow bitch and I couldn't be arsed!

,8,1

They're not raunchy - they're arrogant, sexist and pathetic!

If a guy wrote or sang those lyrics there would be uproar!

As I said it's all about the values of our culture.

There's more than enough feminist sycophants in the print media and MTV to celebrate Allen's "music" and keep the gravy train running.

whatdahack

her albums r deadli especially not big:D

Dudess

Liam Byrne wrote: »

They're not raunchy - they're arrogant, sexist and pathetic!

If a guy wrote or sang those lyrics there would be uproar!

"You never make me scream" :rolleyes: .....Lily, that's because you come across as a complete shallow bitch and I couldn't be arsed!

Well that's one interpretation but she also sings the guy's praises outside of the bedroom and then when she sings about how disappointing sex is, it seems more like he's sexually selfish rather than sexually inadequate. "I look into your eyes, I want to get to know you" - sounds to me more like a case of no foreplay, just straight to the basics and that's that. As you know, women tend to be more built towards preferring a man to take it a lot more slowly than that. I'm honestly not being an apologist because I appreciate your perspective too, and I have pointed out a number of times how horribly sexist against men various songs, videos, television shows etc are (cue ,8,1 saying "typical of feminists to try and come across as openminded" - the guy doesn't even know what he's ranting about half the time) but e.g. If I Were A Boy is way worse. At the same time though, she could just be singing about a guy who has premature ejaculation issues. And her song, the aforementioned Not Big, is about a guy's... "shortcomings".

But as for your other point: some men have written the equivalent about women - huge chunks of rap/hip-hop anyone? Cue ,8,1 saying the women in those videos want to be treated like dirt by men.

,8,1 wrote: »

As I said it's all about the values of our culture.

There's more than enough feminist sycophants in the print media and MTV to celebrate Allen's "music" and keep the gravy train running.

,8,1 wrote: »

Feminists have no class.

You're going to have to say WHY you hate women - otherwise you just come across as a ranting, foaming-at-the-mouth misogynist whom pretty much nobody will take seriously. And you'd prefer to be taken seriously wouldn't you?