Possible satellites on a Wavefrontier Toroidal dish

MisterAnarchy

I was just wondering if its possible to receive 28E to 1W on a T90 toroidal dish in Ireland ?
Ideally I'd like to get 28E,19E,16E,13E and 1W.
The T90 is supposed to have a 40 degree operational arc .
A satellite installer told me however that the 40 degree arc is 1E-42E OR 1W-37.5W (or 5W-45W).
Would I get 1W or am I too far West ?
I've read most of the other threads here on the T90 but most people only seem to have a few sat positions.
19E-1W would even suffice,I could have 28E on a seperate dish but I'd imagine that would be the easiest sat to pick up.

Eurorunner

Yes - you can get all of those. I have 13/16/19/1. Only reason I have 28.2 still on my original dish is because of foolishness in doing the T90 setup (concreted in post a meter away from where it should have gone :eek:).

MisterAnarchy

Eurorunner wrote: »

Yes - you can get all of those. I have 13/16/19/1. Only reason I have 28.2 still on my original dish is because of foolishness in doing the T90 setup (concreted in post a meter away from where it should have gone :eek:).

Cool,what is your reception like on 16E and 1W ?

white_westie

Sorry guys to butt in on thread, but I was wondering the same question.
Am thinking of getting a T90, as I can really only have 1 dish due to house /garden orientation.
My location is Dublin Nth near airport and I would be looking for 2/3 seperate feeds into house so motorised is not an option.
I'm thinking that I could get 12W/5W to 28E ie: 12/5/1W 5/13/19/28E
Not interested in footie, but might try for 16E or 23E.
Dont think there is anything else in between!

I have 5/13/19/28 on a modified multi lnb bracket on a lidl dish on a temp mount working okay.

Like MisterAnarchy any comments welcome.

WW

Eurorunner

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Cool,what is your reception like on 16E and 1W ?

They are naturally the trickiest. I can get the main relevant packages on 16 - with some ultra fine tweaking. On 1 W, can get the Canal + package - again with some fine tweaking. Can't get the East European content on 1W - but don't play around with this sort of stuff much any more. Have it setup once and for all - and don't want to invest any more time into it! So it might be possible - I know last year I had digiTV - but I think there may have been changes since then. Either way, I have not invested a whole lot of time in getting them back.

syboit

Just looking at the T90 bundle on hmsat.de, it has the dish,4lnbs and a diseqc switch. Does it also come with 4 holders for the lnbs or would ya have to buy these seperate ?
Also, any idea what make/model are the 4 lnbs ?

Eurorunner

syboit wrote: »

Just looking at the T90 bundle on hmsat.de, it has the dish,4lnbs and a diseqc switch. Does it also come with 4 holders for the lnbs or would ya have to buy these seperate ?
Also, any idea what make/model are the 4 lnbs ?

It just says that they are universal. Looking at the picture, they don't look like slimline lnbs to me - and to achieve a cheaper bundle price, they are not going to be - or at least not without them including that detail in their description.

byte

Does the T90 not come with LNB holders?

Eurorunner

byte wrote: »

Does the T90 not come with LNB holders?

Mine came with 5..or was it 6? (sorry lads but i'm not going out in the dark at this hour to find out ).

Greenman

Eurorunner wrote: »

Mine came with 5..or was it 6? (sorry lads but i'm not going out in the dark at this hour to find out ).

It comes with 5 lnb holders.

I like this dish, got one recently.

Adjusting the elevation was a pain but got it in the end.

The lnb holders could be better.

If you want to mod it look here http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellite/picture-members-setups-general-satellite-installations/114236-multifeed-wft-90-some-modification-done.html

Lining up your dish look here http://www.satlex.us/en/wavefrontier_calc-ms.html?satlo_east=28.5&user_satlo_east=&user_satlo_east_dir=E&satlo_west=-30.0&user_satlo_west=&user_satlo_west_dir=E&cityname=&la=47.2&lo=7.53&country_code=de

If you have time on your hands its a great dish to mess around with.

Eurorunner

Greenman wrote: »

The lnb holders could be better.

Yeah, they're rubbish. By all accounts, they used to be fine until they started churning them out a bit cheaper and nastier.

RimaNTSS

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

I was just wondering if its possible to receive 28E to 1W on a T90 toroidal dish in Ireland ?
Ideally I'd like to get 28E,19E,16E,13E and 1W.

Hi! My first post.
I would like to encourage you to be more optimistic about T90. It is possible to get 4W -45E (or about 50*). To answer the question about catching satellites by T90, the answer would be: If you can get signal from any satellite with 90cm antenna than you will be able to get same signal with T90. I have this antenna almost 5 years and after some modifications pretty happy to use it. Some time ago I had setup 4W, 1W, 4,8E, 9E, 13E, 19E, 28E, 36E, 39E, 45E. Just recently got 3 new LNB’s (slim ones) and put them to 4,8E, 7E, 9E, with those 2* problem is solved completely.
Original LNB holders are to be throw to garbage ad should be replaced by more convenient ones.

Greenman

RimaNTSS wrote: »

Original LNB holders are to be throw to garbage ad should be replaced by more convenient ones.

Tell us more with pics too.

Thanks JD

RimaNTSS

Sorry, did not ad any picture yesterday. LNB holdes - this is the critical part of the modification of T90. In the hardware shop I bought 1,5 meter of 8mm in diameter metal bar, which I placed above original rail. This bar will hold simple holders for LNB (hand made old those you can find in SAT shops if not in Antwerp then in Brussels Brabant street ). Also this new bar should be little bit longer than originam rail, so in the future you will be abble to put LNBs more widely. There are some pictures:

watty

The LNB holders look like earth strap for pipes. Comes on a reel here in Hardware/Builders store and you cut off length to bolt around a pipe to connect to earth wire.

Great pics. Thanks.

Is the metal bar light weight aluminium? A galvanised steel bar would be very heavy. Perhaps 12.5mm copper pipe might work?

Greenman

Yes I was going to ask what the bar was made of. How did you bend it?

For such a great dish it is let down by the holders, might get the metal type holders as per your excellent pics via the net. I find the net is way better these days for sourcing bits rather than Brabant street in Brussels, eg Best single LNB €5 on the net €20 bricks and mortor Brabant street.

I got the T-90 from HM sat and it was easy to setup except for the elevation which was a hit and miss affair as there are no evevation markings. Once you have your skew and elevation sorted you just slide the LNB holders with LNB along the rail. I have it set for 7,10,13,16,19 and 28.2 EAST and really like this dish.

I'll post some pics soon.

RimaNTSS

In the beginning I had 8mm galvanized metal bar with tread on it which I bended it over my knee. But last metal bar I have only for several month and it is made of stainless steel, was not easy to bend, so worker in metal shop made it on some of his machines. Some of the cylinders with bolts inside I also bought in metal shop and drilled holes in them to mount on the rail and also to hold LNB.
I also used perforated metal strip to fix LNBs, but finally decided to use market available holders. 12,5 mm cooper pipe will probably work if you find the way how to attach LNBs on it.
Speaking about elevation: there are 2 angles to measure and you can use any available on market instruments to measure those angles Lines A___A and B___B. After some practice all those angles are easy to set by the eye

Greenman

Good info thanks, as I said trial and error got the elevation sorted in the end.

Do you live near the sea? I see the demon rust has set in.

I wonder have you've read this thread http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellite/picture-members-setups-general-satellite-installations/114236-multifeed-wft-90-some-modification-done.html ?

Let me know.

RimaNTSS

Yes, water is not too far from my home, I even can see it from window. I have red satellite.co.uk, and also posted in that tread (page 3).

byte

Greenman wrote: »

Good info thanks, as I said trial and error got the elevation sorted in the end.

Do you live near the sea? I see the demon rust has set in.

I wonder have you've read this thread http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellite/picture-members-setups-general-satellite-installations/114236-multifeed-wft-90-some-modification-done.html ?

Let me know.

Interesting link there.

ro2

I've had a T90 for the last few years, I use it to receive most satellites from 5w - 43w. I had a motorised Triax dish beforehand, but the wind took care of that. This one is much better if you're in a windy area, as there are no moving parts.

The Wavefrontier sits on a 60mm pole, which I had to get from a steel merchant. Most standard mounts in Ireland/UK are 50mm or 75mm.

I also have a 16 way diseqc switch from emp centauri.

http://www.emp-centauri.cz/products.php?id_kateg=5&id_pkateg=45&id=284

byte

That EMP Centauri switch looks handy for the job. Was it expensive?

ro2

I got it for about €60 on ebay from Germany. They were fairly hard to get, emp just started manufacturing them this year.

RimaNTSS

About month ago I have got an e-mail directly from Centauri sales department. Their price was 31 EUR + shipping coasts. At that time they somehow did not have plastic covers, so the device was for indoor use. They where expecting to have plastic covers in about 2 month.

Greenman

Took a few pics of my T-90, its work in progress so excuse the messy coax, all will be tidied up when completed.

The 60mm pole mounting is a mystery since as mentioned 50mm is a standard size but a little bit of welding sorted that.

I like this antenna and wish I had got it a long time ago, this satellite lark is evolution for me, nothing stands still, more pics to follow.

RimaNTSS

If you plan to keep original T90 LNB holders I can give you my old ones (5 pieces). At the end of April I will be in Brussels, so if you are interested you can have them for glass of Belgium beer

Greenman

RimaNTSS wrote: »

If you plan to keep original T90 LNB holders I can give you my old ones (5 pieces). At the end of April I will be in Brussels, so if you are interested you can have them for glass of Belgium beer

Thats very kind of you, PM me and we can arrange something.

Thanks JD.

RimaNTSS

Hi everybody! That was pretty long weekend, weather was good enough, so I did some homework on my T90

byte

Good pic.

I'm surprised that 19E, 16E and 13E are as well spaced out as they are; I was expecting them to be closer. So that's a good thing.

RimaNTSS

Yes, 3 degrees is not a big deal for this antenna, but to make sure getting maximum signal from satellites with 2 degrees difference there should be special LNBs

RimaNTSS

Finally I have got new antenna holder on which my toroidal will rest soon. And, by the way, there is additional hook for another T90. Maybe some day I will cover all visible satellites by using just 2 antennas

gtg60

Ok, I think I might be able to swing 'permission' from the boss to get one of these
Just wondering if there are any pictures of one where it looks fairly tiday especially the wiring!
Also, could somebody tell me the distance from the pole to the most forward part of the dish i.e. total depth.

Thanks!

RimaNTSS

gtg60 wrote: »

the distance from the pole to the most forward part of the dish i.e. total depth.

It is about 80 cm. And wiring depends of your desired number of LNBs.

njall2

On toroidal reception in Dublin could I ask a specific question. I am receiving 39e 28e 23.5e 19e 16e 13e 4e 1w. On 1W I cannot receive many of the main channels especially those on 11278V such as Canal+ Emotion,Canal +First, Canal+hits ect. I am using an Inverto Twin 40mm LNB IDLB-TWNL40-PREMU-OPP. I have tested with other lnbs results the same or worse. It is basically the channels on the T1 footprint as per this _http://www.telenorsbc.com/templates/Page.aspx?id=735 Are others able to fine tune channels on the T1 footprint in Dublin North Leinster?

MrTrebus

njall2 wrote: »

On toroidal reception in Dublin could I ask a specific question. I am receiving 39e 28e 23.5e 19e 16e 13e 4e 1w. On 1W I cannot receive many of the main channels especially those on 11278V such as Canal+ Emotion,Canal +First, Canal+hits ect. I am using an Inverto Twin 40mm LNB IDLB-TWNL40-PREMU-OPP. I have tested with other lnbs results the same or worse. It is basically the channels on the T1 footprint as per this _http://www.telenorsbc.com/templates/Page.aspx?id=735 Are others able to fine tune channels on the T1 footprint in Dublin North Leinster?

mate,

where in Dublin are you based ?
What kind of receiver are you using ?

I took down my motorised dish because it was too noisy at night.
I now have a single sky dish and a twin bracket at the end of my 1m dish, fed into a 4/1 diseqc switch because I could not get an 8/1 to work with my Dm500HD (genuine)

I want to move to one of these dishs but not sure if it will work with my DM because of the disecq issue

what sat are you using as the prime focus for the dish ?

sorry for all the questions just trying to get some research done before I commit (and explain the expense to the war office )

cheers

njall2

2 miles South of Drogheda. DM500 using 8 way switch. I centred on 19e. Delighted to be of help. If I can help anymore just ask.

MrTrebus

njall2 wrote: »

2 miles South of Drogheda. DM500 using 8 way switch. I centred on 19e. Delighted to be of help. If I can help anymore just ask.

excellent, you'll have me looking on line tonight now to find the cheapest shop for the dish :D

what way did you set up the tuner for the 8/1 switch. I just couldnt get it to work on my DM

thanks again for the fast response

cheers

njall2

menu-sat config-lnb config -lnb1 lof/l 09750-lofh10600-treshhold11700-next page-toneburst none-disecq version 1.1- disecq para none -disecq repeats none-uncommitted switch input1-save repeat this for each satellite and enjoy

MrTrebus

njall2 wrote: »

menu-sat config-lnb config -lnb1 lof/l 09750-lofh10600-treshhold11700-next page-toneburst none-disecq version 1.1- disecq para none -disecq repeats none-uncommitted switch input1-save repeat this for each satellite and enjoy

ah,my setup is different,
your DM is running enigma 1 ????

mine is different altogether, I need to go into
setup
service searching
tuner configuration and then go from there !

there are a number of different tuner configs from there :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

njall2

Which box and what image please and I will see if I can help.

njall2

this pdf may help you.

MrTrebus

njall2 wrote: »

this pdf may help you.

thats excellent mate, really appreciate it.
I have a dm500hd at the moment running the latest Merlin Excaliber image.
Am gonna move to a wave frontier dish soon b ut couldnt get my 1 meter to work with a 8/1 switch before.

Have a much better idea how do set it up now.

cheers

MrT

njall2

@mrBogus delighted to be of help. C'mon guys surely someone is using a toroidal in Ireland and can give me a heads up on 1W?

MrTrebus

njall2 wrote: »

@mrBogus delighted to be of help. C'mon guys surely someone is using a toroidal in Ireland and can give me a heads up on 1W?

mrBogus :eek::eek::eek: ha ha ha

anyways, dont know if it makes any difference but when I had my motorised dish, I could get pretty much every transponder on 1w so I dont see why you should have an issue with your toroidal dish.
The only thing that "might" be causing an issue is having the dish centered on 19e.Maybe if it was centered on something like 5e you might get a better pic.

Dont know if youve seen this site before but maybe it might be of use

http://www.satlex.de/en/wavefrontier_calc-params.html?satlo_east=23.5&user_satlo_east=&user_satlo_east_dir=E&satlo_west=-1.0&user_satlo_west=&user_satlo_west_dir=W&location=53.43%2C-6.25&la=53.43&lo=-6.25&country_code=ie

MrTrebus

njall2

oops
@MrTrebus, terribly sorry, the chap is from another forum, was a little under the influence, sorry. I think I might sacrifice 39e and recentre to see if 1w would get a better strength. thanks for the thought. Regards

MrTrebus

njall2 wrote: »

oops
@MrTrebus, terribly sorry, the chap is from another forum, was a little under the influence, sorry. I think I might sacrifice 39e and recentre to see if 1w would get a better strength. thanks for the thought. Regards

Ive been called worse mate, and probably by peeps on here too :D:D

appreciate all your help, hope that website is of some use to you.

Ill be using it as soon as I get the dish

MrTrebus

did you get sorted man ??

Ronan Raver77

Sorry to drag up an oldish thread..Maybe looking at getting this dish and wondering what peoples experiences are recently? Im based in Dublin and was thinking of a motorised dish but the Wavefrontier Toroidal looks tempting!!!

I wouldnt have a clue installing this myself and any help appreciated on where to buy all of the items(maybe newer info over the last year) and who to set it up for me guys??

Ronan

syboit

Do a search around here on "wavefrontier" and you'll find some great threads. I got one myself. Wasn't too bad to install, but it does have its challenges.
Its big!, but when its all setup and up on the pole, it really doesn't look like the monster it is

Here are a few threads (one I started myself) with plenty of info in them

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=76805918
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056562645

Like others I bought all my stuff from hm-sat-de. I used this site, to calculate the setup http://www.satlex.us/en/wavefrontier_calc.html

My lnb's go from 28E to 5w, (with others in between)
But I centered mine on 13" and then using the calculator was able to work out where the lnbs go on the rail. Once you have the correct skew and lnbs in their positions they all come in without too much effort.

rolion

Centre the T90 on 1W...better signal across the range !

excollier

Centering depends entirely on which sats you want to receive reliably. No good centering on 1w if you want 39e in your line up.