Using the N word when listening to rap

Was walking into college the other day with my mp3 player on random when some Geto Boys began to play. Being bored I began to rap along and as I was walking past a group of classmates I used the n word as it was contained in the song.

Cue people looking at me as if I had just raped a 4 year old in their presence. The only actual black individual in the group looked ready to kill me, one of my friends had to literally hold him back. Now I know the word brings up certain hurtful elements for people but at the end of the day it's only a word and in the context I used it I don't really see any harm.

So what do the members of after hours think should we self censor ourselves or just go with it?

Here's the song I was singing along to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXYZa84iPVA

biko

Only black people can say the N word and get away with it, you cracker.

IvySlayer

I hate that word so much, it's disgusting.

Senna

You were signing along to rap, no wonder they gave you dirty looks.:rolleyes:

RoundyMooney

I'd find listening to that mysogynistic, self aggrandising, repetitive cliched crap more objectionable to be honest.

wes

Don't use the word. It will piss people off.

If you use it and people are pissed off, well you only have yourself to blame.

jim o doom

I would say only with white friends who you know for a fact don't care what you say, or entirely on your own.. but NEVER in public and NEVER EVER EVER EVER in front of a black person.. it's totally unacceptable..

Pighead

You shouldn't be listening to that gangster rapper stuff. Pighead read once that just one listen to one verse of one of those songs turns you into a killer. And worse still makes you wear jeans that are far too big for you thus showing the world what underpants you are wearing. Whats wrong with The Eagles?

jim o doom

RoundyMooney wrote: »

I'd find listening to that mysogynistic, self aggrandising, repetitive cliched crap more objectionable to be honest.

yeah it's like people genericising ALL of any particular group of music as being specifically "mysogynistic, self aggrandising, repetitive cliched" as being rather silly, even if most of it IS, that doesn't mean that ALL of it is, eh?

and isn't taste in music TOTALLY subjective anyway, judgementalord?

biko

Actually I've only heard it said in US music videos, films and TV shows.
Doesn't really seemed to have caught on this side of the pond.

Abi

IvySlayer wrote: »

I hate that word so much, it's disgusting.

Why? Its just a word. A word they use on each other.

They iz havin a party, and we aint invited.

RoundyMooney

RoundyMooney wrote: »

I'd find listening to that mysogynistic, self aggrandising, repetitive cliched crap more objectionable to be honest.

Not all rap can be classified so easily. I despise acts like 50 Cent and anyone who glorofies violence to women and such. Some rap can be very socially conscious and lead to major reforms in the way people view certain things. Take an act such as NWA, their lyrics were a social commentary which highlighted the neglect of many african american neighbourhoods.

jim o doom wrote: »

I would say only with white friends who you know for a fact don't care what you say, or entirely on your own.. but NEVER in public and NEVER EVER EVER EVER in front of a black person.. it's totally unacceptable..

I know it's unacceptable but the black guy will often call us crackers and make other jokes about us being white. Now how is it acceptabel for him to do that?

Diabhal Beag

I don't see a problem with pastie white eijits from the country singing along with NWA and other fine outstanding African Americans. Well done to you OP :rolleyes:

Tight Ted

Would you say the word slu.t if it was in a rap song?

Would you walk past a group of girls while rapping to yourself, "slu.t sucked my big fat dic.k?"

I hope this helps to put your disgusting behaviour into context.

Sea Sharp

What's with the whole "only black people can call themselves that" thing. I'm not allowed to say it becaus I'm white = racist!!!

African Americans were Surpressed by white british Prodestents.
Irish People were surpressed by white british Prodestents.
British prodestents were surpressed by white british Prodestents.

I feel that it is racist that I can't say it.

RoundyMooney

jim o doom wrote: »

yeah it's like people genericising ALL of any particular group of music as being specifically "mysogynistic, self aggrandising, repetitive cliched" as being rather silly, even if most of it IS, that doesn't mean that ALL of it is, eh?

Well, any of that slum dwelling crap that *I've* ever heard is more about the "artist" telling us all how tough they are, how many bitches they got, and how much money they have. So yeah, pretty in line with how I called it tbh.

I can live without listening to some dick trying to overcome his inferiority complex, and pretending that I as a middle class Irish man have anything in common with him.

jim o doom wrote: »

and isn't taste in music TOTALLY subjective anyway, judgementalord?

Pretty much, which begs the question as to why a subjective opinion bothers you so much.

Little Shyte

Little Shyte wrote: »

I don't see a problem with pastie white eijits from the country singing along with NWA and other fine outstanding African Americans. Well done to you OP :rolleyes:

Wooo, I is not from the country. If I was I would be singing along ot songs about wife beating and featuring a thumbing banjo backing track.

Tight Ted wrote: »

Would you say the word slu.t if it was in a rap song?

Would you walk past a group of girls while rapping to yourself, "slu.t sucked my big fat dic.k?"

I hope this helps to put your disgusting behaviour into context.

If you read my previous posts I don't listen to that type of rap as it jsut bores me. But tbh the word slut is jsut a word and I have no problem using it. I suppose being male middle class and white, noone will cut me a break.

RoundyMooney

Deleted User wrote: »

Not all rap can be classified so easily. I despise acts like 50 Cent and anyone who glorofies violence to women and such. Some rap can be very socially conscious and lead to major reforms in the way people view certain things. Take an act such as NWA, their lyrics were a social commentary which highlighted the neglect of many african american neighbourhoods.

Food for thought, maybe I need to do some research

Deleted User wrote: »

I know it's unacceptable but the black guy will often call us crackers and make other jokes about us being white. Now how is it acceptabel for him to do that?

It isn't. Unfortunately the pendulum of political correctness has swung too far in his favour, for the moment.

Abi

Tight Ted wrote: »

Would you say the word slu.t if it was in a rap song?

Would you walk past a group of girls while rapping to yourself, "slu.t sucked my big fat dic.k?"

I hope this helps to put your disgusting behaviour into context.

Ya. Cuz wimmins never do that kinda thing.

I hope this gives you some perspective as to how naïve you are being.

The_Minister

Best user name/thread title combo ever!:p

Tar.Aldarion

Reminds me of when I was doing the whle apu thing about 'A Mounds bar is not a sprinkle. A Twizzler is not a sprinkle. A Jolly Rancher is not a sprinkle, sir. Perhaps in Shangra-la they are, but not here.' in my best apu accent whilst getting a roll at a deli talking to my friend, the guy behind the counter was so angry he had to leave the deli to go to the till trying to kill me with his eyes. Heh.

RoundyMooney

RoundyMooney wrote: »

Food for thought, maybe I need to do some research

you'd be surprised by what you find. A few years back I would'nt have listend to rap if I was paid to but in recent years groups such as NWA and Geto Boys have really impressed me.

RoundyMooney wrote: »

It isn't. Unfortunately the pendulum of political correctness has swung too far in his favour, for the moment.

Political correctness has gone too far in my opinion. I was actually reading an article about the Black Irish a few minutes ago and was wondering if it would be acceptable to them to use the N word.

Numina

Just because everybody thinks that it's a "bad" word doesn't mean that it is by nature. I have no problem saying it, but tend not to say it around black people because I don't want to have to explain myself.

Highsider

Total B.S. Rap music that is.

IvySlayer

Deleted User wrote: »

you'd be surprised by what you find. A few years back I would'nt have listend to rap if I was paid to but in recent years groups such as NWA and Geto Boys have really impressed me.



Political correctness has gone too far in my opinion. I was actually reading an article about the Black Irish a few minutes ago and was wondering if it would be acceptable to them to use the N word.

The N word is used as a derogatory term. That's why these 'musical artists' use it.

If the word fluffypurplecushion was highly offensive, they'd use that.

It's not so much offensive as unbelievably sad. How old are you? If I'd seen you I'd have probably smirked at least.

IvySlayer

IvySlayer wrote: »

The N word is used as a derogatory term. That's why these 'musical artists' use it.

If the word fluffypurplecushion was highly offensive, they'd use that.

If it's so derogatory why do many black people use it to describe one another? When someone like 50 Cent uses the term he uses it as an insult where as many other rap artists use it to highlight the implications that the word has.

Wossack

Deleted User wrote: »

Being bored I began to rap along..

!? :eek:

luckily it was only filthy looks they gave ya - I'd have been likely to throw up on ya

Wossack

Wossack wrote: »

!? :eek:

luckily it was only filthy looks they gave ya - I'd have been likely to throw up on ya

As it happens I was listening to Lynard Skynard awhile back and a girl told me that it was offensive as all their songs degraded women.

syklops

Tight Ted wrote: »

Would you say the word slu.t if it was in a rap song?

Would you walk past a group of girls while rapping to yourself, "slu.t sucked my big fat dic.k?"

I hope this helps to put your disgusting behaviour into context.

Disgusting behaviour?

Jeez Louise, over-react much?

OP, maybe the black guy was more offended that you, a white bread Mo Fo was rapping, rather than the fact you mentioned the N word.

Black people use the N word to describe other unsavoury blacks. Much like we use the phrase sccumbag/layabout/waster etc.

I dont know why that guy got all up in your face about it. All you had to say was "sorry, I wasnt talking about you."

syklops

syklops wrote: »

Disgusting behaviour?

Jeez Louise, over-react much?

OP, maybe the black guy was more offended that you, a white bread Mo Fo was rapping, rather than the fact you mentioned the N word.

Black people use the N word to describe other unsavoury blacks. Much like we use the phrase sccumbag/layabout/waster etc.

I dont know why that guy got all up in your face about it. All you had to say was "sorry, I wasnt talking about you."

I said to him that I was'nt calling him it and was only rapping to the song. He said that it did'nt matter as he was personally offended and took it as an attack on his character.

Wossack

Deleted User wrote: »

As it happens I was listening to Lynard Skynard awhile back and a girl told me that it was offensive as all their songs degraded women.

ye go to over-sensitive-high or something?

Wossack

Wossack wrote: »

ye go to over-sensitive-high or something?

Nope, I'm in an actual 3rd level college which adults are supposed to be attending. That said we are trapped in the arts campus which may explain some of it.

RoundyMooney

Actually, the n1gga term was hijacked by the black populace (and quite rightly, given it's original usage).

It's original original usage was pretty neutral. It comes from the hispanic word for black (either Spanish or Portuguese).

It only became a bad word in the 1800s. Even Mark Twain and the like wrote routinely about "n1ggers" with no malice intended.

syklops

Deleted User wrote: »

I said to him that I was'nt calling him it and was only rapping to the song. He said that it did'nt matter as he was personally offended and took it as an attack on his character.

At which point I would have said "Cop the Feck on"

Yea do you you go to "Overly Pretentious College, Dublin"?

Wossack

Deleted User wrote: »

Nope, I'm in an actual 3rd level college which adults are supposed to be attending. That said we are trapped in the arts campus which may explain some of it.

Could do alright..

From now on I'd just try and keep your listening choice to yourself, and when asked what it is you're listening to say an inspirational obama podcast or the like

syklops

syklops wrote: »

At which point I would have said "Cop the Feck on"

Yea do you you go to "Overly Pretentious College, Dublin"?

I told him to get off his high horse and hope the fall wouldn't kill him.

Wossack wrote: »

Could do alright..

From now on I'd just try and keep your listening choice to yourself, and when asked what it is you're listening to say an inspirational obama podcast or the like

I'm a firm believer that one is entitled to their own opinion and interests no matter how other people view them.

syklops

RoundyMooney wrote: »

Actually, the n1gga term was hijacked by the black populace (and quite rightly, given it's original usage).

It's original original usage was pretty neutral. It comes from the hispanic word for black (either Spanish or Portuguese).

It only became a bad word in the 1800s. Even Mark Twain and the like wrote routinely about "n1ggers" with no malice intended.

Its basically a bastardized form of Negro isnt?

A friend of mine was on a tactical exercise with the Defence Forces. They were going to defend a position and in Full Metal Jacket style shouting, he goes "Right, I want **** behind triggers". Then he looks up and realises the guy standing next to him is black. Queue loads of apologies, and hand wringing, and the black guy goes to him, in a voice that sounded like Roy Keane, "Sure I dont give a fiddlers. Im from cork".

Some people are more sensitive than others.

RoundyMooney

My missus knows that guy, his name's Paddy.

kerash

Oprah doesnt like it, end of.

Seriously tho it's not a word used with innocence or any kind of good meaning, it's a word that holds so much hate and negativity, I detest it and dont agree with it's use in rap music or any place else.

JangoFett

Me and my friends use it all the time because it's such a taboo word, but never in spite or malice.

And as far as singing along to it, it's a tough one to call. The rappers say it, and say it so often and flippantly that it IS hard...hmm

Screw it, say it, it's just a word that when the rappers say it means very little.

jim o doom

Deleted User wrote: »

I know it's unacceptable but the black guy will often call us crackers and make other jokes about us being white. Now how is it acceptabel for him to do that?

because the black man never enslaved the white man En Masse.


Also racism towards a constantly black minority has been endemic in society for a LONG time.

Abi

*post-mortem mode*

kerash wrote: »

Seriously tho it's not a word used with innocence or any kind of good meaning..
it's a word that holds so much hate and negativity, I detest it and dont agree with it's use in rap music or any place else.

Fair enough, but apparently its so unoffensive they use it as a greeting. Seriously, white people that still find it offensive are ashamed of how the 'n's were treated in the 'gtfo off the path and walk on the road N' kind of way. And thats ok, and understandable. But this is no longer the case, and they use the word freely themselves.

Time to build a bridge tbh.

dar83

jim o doom wrote: »

because the black man never enslaved the white man En Masse.


Also racism towards a constantly black minority has been endemic in society for a LONG time.

They shouldn't have been living in Africa so. :pac:

katzenjammer

Well well well, looks like we got ourselves a niggerguy!

*pumps shotgun*

seanybiker

I listen to a bit of rap to keep in with me homies. If they have a problem with a word thats their though titty.

jim o doom

jim o doom wrote: »

because the black man never enslaved the white man En Masse.


Also racism towards a constantly black minority has been endemic in society for a LONG time.

I suppose pictures such as thishelp enforce just how inappropriate the word is.

minidazzler

Your poll is retarded....Should we self censor? Yes, It's freedom of Speech.

Thats a contradiction in terms....

BTW I think you were right to sing along with it....so what if yer mate is offended, you were singing a song. Would he stop if you got offended to him singing Achy Breaky Heart???

MIN2511

biko wrote: »

Only black people can say the N word and get away with it, you cracker.

wtf is it that only black people can say 'Nigga' it pisses me off....

No, it's freedom of speech! You can say the word if you want AS LONG AS IT'S NOT IN A DEROGATORY MANNER!

PC bul**** pisses the **** outta me, black people are the first to scream racism when things don't go their way.... arrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I am black, i use "Nigga" when i rap(i can't rap so never!) i actually don't use the word often. If you want to you can use it! FREEDOM of speech!

minidazzler

minidazzler wrote: »

Your poll is retarded....Should we self censor? Yes, It's freedom of Speech.

Thats a contradiction in terms....

BTW I think you were right to sing along with it....so what if yer mate is offended, you were singing a song. Would he stop if you got offended to him singing Achy Breaky Heart???

The mistake in the poll I only noticed there. Been a long ass college day and lack of sleep has impaired my abilitites.

The_Minister

MIN2511 wrote: »

AS LONG AS IT'S NOT IN A DEROGATORY MANNER!

MIN2511 wrote: »

black people are the first to scream racism when things don't go their way.