Roundabout Rules Changed?

Mingey

Have roundabout rules changed recently without my knowing? Twice yesterday I had someone watch me coming around with my indicator on and pull out in front of me causing me to stop. I beeped at the first person and she stopped and looked at me & shouted something, the next person to do this was driving a bus.

Zube

Roundabouts have rules?

Cookie_Monster

Mingey wrote: »

Have roundabout rules changed recently without my knowing? Twice yesterday I had someone watch me coming around with my indicator on and pull out in front of me causing me to stop. I beeped at the first person and she stopped and looked at me & shouted something, the next person to do this was driving a bus.

No, they are just idiots.

Saruman

Just out of curiosity... do you drive with dipped headlights on during the day? I do all the time but i remember one day i did not and some muppet did just that, pulled right out while i was only a few feet from where he was and i had manoeuvre around him.

Some stupid drivers are half asleep and do not notice moving vehicles... at least with your lights on they might see you better. If you do drive with your lights on then just accept that there are stupid drivers out there and i would say the majority of people on the roads do not understand how to use a roundabout because they never had to learn. In fact i do not think i was even asked about them in my driving test over 10 years ago.

However i know the rules regarding roundabouts and often almost get creamed on them with people not sticking to lanes and driving "straight through" (me in right lane taking third exit, they cut right through my lane) or some muppet on the left thinking its ok to take the third exit and cut right in front of you.

Alanstrainor

So let me just get this clear in my head. You are on the roundabout, indicating around to take a later exit and these people pull out infront of you? It could be a confidence issue, i know people who when on roundabouts ie having right of way, are ridiculously lacking in confidence and often just provoke other road users to take a chance.
Now i'm not saying be aggressive, just be confident and certain of yourself.

Idleater

Mingey wrote: »

Have roundabout rules changed recently without my knowing?

Depends on when you learned how to drive, but in short yes.

Now (assuming a 4 way roundabout in the RotR), you are allowed to go straight from the left lane of a roundabout where the exit is 2 off.

Previously, left lane was for first exit only regardless.

Now in theory, for a two off exit, you should exit in the "overtaking" lane to allow someone from a clockwise exit from you to turn left into the "driving" lane of the same exit.

There are pictures of these examples in the RotR.

L.

Anan1

Alanstrainor wrote: »

So let me just get this clear in my head. You are on the roundabout, indicating around to take a later exit and these people pull out infront of you? It could be a confidence issue, i know people who when on roundabouts ie having right of way, are ridiculously lacking in confidence and often just provoke other road users to take a chance.
Now i'm not saying be aggressive, just be confident and certain of yourself.

I've often thought this myself. It's quite common (and dangerous) for drivers to stop on roundabouts because they think someone is going to come out in front of them.

Mingey

Alanstrainor wrote: »

So let me just get this clear in my head. You are on the roundabout, indicating around to take a later exit and these people pull out infront of you? It could be a confidence issue, i know people who when on roundabouts ie having right of way, are ridiculously lacking in confidence and often just provoke other road users to take a chance.
Now i'm not saying be aggressive, just be confident and certain of yourself.

No I wasnt hesitant or overly slow, I was going the right speed cautiously as it sometimes happens at this particular roundabout. (the Point, I was turning onto the quays, the driver was coming off toll bridge going straight) She definatley pulled out in front of me while I was driving and clearly indicating.

mik_da_man

Yeah it happens there a LOT.
I've had a few close ones there

Jaysoose

People are morons when its comes to roundabouts, you will always have muppets taking stupid risks to shave seconds off a journey. And i dont think they will learn until they actually crash but then it will probably be sombody elses fault.

I have to negotiate a busy roundabout twice a day to get to and from work and the muppetry i see every day is astounding.

Top Dog

Saruman wrote: »

Just out of curiosity... do you drive with dipped headlights on during the day? I do all the time but i remember one day i did not and some muppet did just that, pulled right out while i was only a few feet from where he was and i had manoeuvre around him.

You'd think the lights might help, but even that can go unnoticed by some of the ignorant drivers on the roads today. How else can you explain people pulling onto a roundabout in front of me when I drive a YELLOW car with the lights ON! Muppets :rolleyes:

Biro

nereid wrote: »

Previously, left lane was for first exit only regardless.

When was that? Not in the last 10 years.

Steve

nereid wrote: »

Previously, left lane was for first exit only regardless.

Previously? How previously?

I've never heard of that in my 17 years of driving.

Big Wave

nereid wrote: »

Depends on when you learned how to drive, but in short yes.

Now (assuming a 4 way roundabout in the RotR), you are allowed to go straight from the left lane of a roundabout where the exit is 2 off.

Previously, left lane was for first exit only regardless.

WRONG. You were always allowed to do that.

TimAllen

OP ... just a possibility - did you check to make sure that your indicator bulb is ok? .. A long shot I know but....

Fozzie Bear

Oh God ya. Roundabouts are just free for all's these days.

Or the muppets, absolute fúcking MUPPETS who think its OK to take the third exit off a roundabout while using the left lane. I have been taking the second exit and once even the third exit and had these clowns cut across me. Christ above they wreck my head and ya i know its a generalization and it's not PC blah blah blah but it it ALWAYS women who do this in my experience. Always!!!

I have not once seen a guy cut across me doing this while oblivious to the fact that I am about to plough into the side of them. I let rip on the horn one day here in Galway at the latest silly bint to cut me up and she stopped her car in the middle of the round about, (after cutting me up) looked back and started roaring and screaming at me. Like I was the one in the wrong!! I'd like to take a baseball bat to these peoples cars/heads.

stealthyspeeder

Fozzie Bear wrote: »

Christ above they wreck my head and ya i know its a generalization and it's not PC blah blah blah but it it ALWAYS women who do this in my experience. Always!!!

Sorry girls (if any are ever on the motors section!?) but this has been my experience as well!

Eoin

On the other hand, can you imagine how bad traffic would be on the bigger roundabouts if everyone was to stay in the left hand lane while going straight through (e.g. N11 to M11 roundabout at Shankill)...

youtheman

Two things that pi55 me off about roundabouts are:

1. drivers in the wrong lane
2. drivers that do not indicate where they intend to exit

The first doesn't bother me too much, the second on gets right up my nose. When I approach a roundabout I never give way to a guy who doesn't indicate. He might be technically right, but at least I expose him to a nice game of chicken.

I like the Italian way or driving on roundabouts. If you have a right of way then you must be assertive and take your chance. Blink for a moment and they will walk all over you. It certainly makes you wake up and get the finger out.

timmywex

We're heading this way in a few years if some drivers have their way!

stealthyspeeder

youtheman wrote: »

Two things that pi55 me off about roundabouts are:

1. drivers in the wrong lane
2. drivers that do not indicate where they intend to exit

The first doesn't bother me too much, the second on gets right up my nose. When I approach a roundabout I never give way to a guy who doesn't indicate. He might be technically right, but at least I expose him to a nice game of chicken.

I like the Italian way or driving on roundabouts. If you have a right of way then you must be assertive and take your chance. Blink for a moment and they will walk all over you. It certainly makes you wake up and get the finger out.

The Italian way!

http://tcc.itc.it/people/rocchi/fun/europe.html

?Cee?view

Fozzie Bear wrote: »

Oh God ya. Roundabouts are just free for all's these days.

Or the muppets, absolute fúcking MUPPETS who think its OK to take the third exit off a roundabout while using the left lane. I have been taking the second exit and once even the third exit and had these clowns cut across me. Christ above they wreck my head and ya i know its a generalization and it's not PC blah blah blah but it it ALWAYS women who do this in my experience. Always!!!

I have not once seen a guy cut across me doing this while oblivious to the fact that I am about to plough into the side of them. I let rip on the horn one day here in Galway at the latest silly bint to cut me up and she stopped her car in the middle of the round about, (after cutting me up) looked back and started roaring and screaming at me. Like I was the one in the wrong!! I'd like to take a baseball bat to these peoples cars/heads.

IT IS ok to take the third exit of a Roundabout while using the left lane IF that exit is to the left or straight.

Have a look at the Rules of the Road.

Whether it's the first, second, third or thirty-third exit is an irrelevance. It's left, straight and right.

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/junctions-roundabouts/roundabouts.html

The whole first, second and then the clock thing just confuses the issue.

Completely agree with you about Galway Drivers - a nightmare there!

JustAddWater

youtheman wrote: »

Two things that pi55 me off about roundabouts are:

1. drivers in the wrong lane
2. drivers that do not indicate where they intend to exit

+1 on that. It really upsets me. Either they dont bother to indicate... Or they idicate right and take an exit.

youtheman

The Italian way!

http://tcc.itc.it/people/rocchi/fun/europe.html

I can't believe how accurate that cartoon is. It's not a joke, it's fact. That's the Italians down to a tee.

Top Dog

youtheman wrote: »

Two things that pi55 me off about roundabouts are:

1. drivers in the wrong lane
2. drivers that do not indicate where they intend to exit

The first doesn't bother me too much, the second on gets right up my nose. When I approach a roundabout I never give way to a guy who doesn't indicate. He might be technically right, but at least I expose him to a nice game of chicken.

Funnily enough I'd be the other way round in my thinking on this. At least if someone doesn't indicate you're aware of them and know they could do anything so you treat them with the necessary caution.

Cookie_Monster

nereid wrote: »

Depends on when you learned how to drive, but in short yes.

Now (assuming a 4 way roundabout in the RotR), you are allowed to go straight from the left lane of a roundabout where the exit is 2 off.

Previously, left lane was for first exit only regardless.

Now in theory, for a two off exit, you should exit in the "overtaking" lane to allow someone from a clockwise exit from you to turn left into the "driving" lane of the same exit.

There are pictures of these examples in the RotR.

L.

What the hell are you talking about

silvervixen84

Fozzie Bear wrote: »

Oh God ya. Roundabouts are just free for all's these days.

Or the muppets, absolute fúcking MUPPETS who think its OK to take the third exit off a roundabout while using the left lane. I have been taking the second exit and once even the third exit and had these clowns cut across me. Christ above they wreck my head and ya i know its a generalization and it's not PC blah blah blah but it it ALWAYS women who do this in my experience. Always!!!

I have not once seen a guy cut across me doing this while oblivious to the fact that I am about to plough into the side of them. I let rip on the horn one day here in Galway at the latest silly bint to cut me up and she stopped her car in the middle of the round about, (after cutting me up) looked back and started roaring and screaming at me. Like I was the one in the wrong!! I'd like to take a baseball bat to these peoples cars/heads.

Ok, if we're going with generalisations, when I'M using the correct lanes on roundabouts, it's always MALE muppets in souped up jap imports/german show off cars who cut me off when i'm indicating to take my exit, doing the whole "move or be moved" bully tactics. Maybe you have not seen a guy do it cos ur too busy looking for a woman driver to criticise.

Heroditas

youtheman wrote: »

Two things that pi55 me off about roundabouts are:

1. drivers in the wrong lane
2. drivers that do not indicate where they intend to exit

The first doesn't bother me too much, the second on gets right up my nose. When I approach a roundabout I never give way to a guy who doesn't indicate. He might be technically right, but at least I expose him to a nice game of chicken.

Not indicating is a massive cause of congestion. People will sit there yielding to the traffic approaching from the right and could move into the junction but can't because the approaching driver doesn't use his indicator.

Or else there are those who throw on any old indicator and you haven;t a clue which exit they're taking. :eek:

?Cee?view

Well said Vixen! Poor oul Fozzie likes his generalisations and isn't too clear of the Rules of the Road either.

The Bear (Fozzioe) is being outsmarted by the Fox (Vixen)

bikki

I always though u just close ur eyes and drive on through

?Cee?view

Heroditas wrote: »

Not indicating is a massive cause of congestion. People will sit there yielding to the traffic approaching from the right and could move into the junction but can't because the approaching driver doesn't use his indicator.

Or else there are those who throw on any old indicator and you haven;t a clue which exit they're taking. :eek:

I don't get you? The approaching driver, if in the left lane, shouldn't indicate until they've passed the exit just before the exit that they are going to leave the roundabout by.

Agree with you that some just seem to throw on any indicator!

F-Stop

silvervixen84 wrote: »

Ok, if we're going with generalisations, when I'M using the correct lanes on roundabouts, it's always MALE muppets in souped up jap imports/german show off cars who cut me off when i'm indicating to take my exit, doing the whole "move or be moved" bully tactics. Maybe you have not seen a guy do it cos ur too busy looking for a woman driver to criticise.

But Silvervixen, while I agree with you about the stupidity of using generalisations like these (I've seen as many bad male drivers as bad female drivers), I think in this case you may have a point. Some men find roundabouts to have the same effect on them as women. They know they are unpredictable and shouldn't be taken for granted. When they are around them they get confused and either act too aggressively or lack confidence. Then as they become so overwhelmed by the whole affair they start to send the wrong signals. On top of that at the back of their mind they are aware that the closer they get to one the more likely it is that someone is going to get hurt. At least that's what I've gleaned from this thread.

?Cee?view

lol

youtheman

churchview wrote: »

I don't get you? The approaching driver, if in the left lane, shouldn't indicate until they've passed the exit just before the exit that they are going to leave the roundabout by.

WRONG - WRONG - WRONG

If you are taking the first exit then you have to indicate LEFT as you approach the roundabout. If you don't then any vehicle waiting to enter the roundabout from this exit has to wait unnecessarily.

Jumpy

youtheman wrote: »

churchview wrote: »

I don't get you? The approaching driver, if in the left lane, shouldn't indicate until they've passed the exit just before the exit that they are going to leave the roundabout by.

WRONG - WRONG - WRONG

If you are taking the first exit then you have to indicate LEFT as you approach the roundabout. If you don't then any vehicle waiting to enter the roundabout from this exit has to wait unnecessarily.

Erm. Its not talking about the first exit. Its talking about others. You jumped in a bit early there.


edit: I read what you quoted from. My bad, his worse.

BrokenArrows

On this dual lane roundabout which of these options is the correct one given the starting point is a single lane and ending point is dual lane.

fryup

to be honest with you guys......i always tend to go to the outside lane no matter what exit im taking, i just feel its safer....and i've never had any probs

bikki

fryup wrote: »

to be honest with you guys......i always tend to go to the outside lane no matter what exit im taking, i just feel its safer....and i've never had any probs

Well ur wrong and shouldnt be driving.

mickdw

BrokenArrows wrote: »

On this dual lane roundabout which of these options is the correct one given the starting point is a single lane and ending point is dual lane.

Id go right hand lane there

Zube

fryup wrote: »

and i've never had any probs

You don't have problems, you just cause problems for the rest of us.

Vegeta

churchview wrote: »

IT IS ok to take the third exit of a Roundabout while using the left lane IF that exit is to the left or straight.

Have a look at the Rules of the Road.

Whether it's the first, second, third or thirty-third exit is an irrelevance. It's left, straight and right.

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/junctions-roundabouts/roundabouts.html

The whole first, second and then the clock thing just confuses the issue.

Completely agree with you about Galway Drivers - a nightmare there!

The problem is that in many areas of the country the driving testers use the "right hand lane for 3rd exit AND anything past 12 o clock". Mine did

Where as you have correctly pointed out that's not what the rules of the road say.

Also roundabouts are a cheap lazy solution that gives equal priority to every entrance independent of traffic volume on those entrances.

Vegeta

BrokenArrows wrote: »

On this dual lane roundabout which of these options is the correct one given the starting point is a single lane and ending point is dual lane.

What does the sign for the roundabout show the exit as, straight on, or slightly to the right?

Slig

The RSA really need a campaign to teach people about how to use roundabouts. Their ROTR example is completely useless as 90% of the roundabouts in this country do not conform to the 4 compass points modle.

Its got to a stage that I will judge the taffic at the roundabout before I approach. If they are all in the left lane and the most major exit is the second exit but obviously to the right then I will just take the left lane along with the rest of the sheep. I know its wrong and I should be in the right lane but I can guarantee that would result in an accident.

Cookie_Monster

Slig wrote: »

The RSA really need a campaign to teach people about how to use roundabouts. Their ROTR example is completely useless as 90% of the roundabouts in this country do not conform to the 4 compass points modle.

They do need to do that, but imagine the amount of different ads required to sort out all the different types of roundabouts:D

Vegeta

Slig wrote: »

The RSA really need a campaign to teach people about how to use roundabouts. Their ROTR example is completely useless as 90% of the roundabouts in this country do not conform to the 4 compass points modle.

churchview wrote: »

IT IS ok to take the third exit of a Roundabout while using the left lane IF that exit is to the left or straight.

Have a look at the Rules of the Road.

Whether it's the first, second, third or thirty-third exit is an irrelevance. It's left, straight and right.

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/junctions-roundabouts/roundabouts.html

The whole first, second and then the clock thing just confuses the issue.

Completely agree with you about Galway Drivers - a nightmare there!

Thought this post pretty much nailed it tbh

Slig

Vegeta wrote: »

Thought this post pretty much nailed it tbh

They have comissioned tv ads to demonstrate how to approach a junction FFS. Roundabouts are very clear cut to anybody that bothers to read the ROTR(everybody got a free copy). Unfortunately alot of people dont and instead just rely on the fact that the way they have always done it is automatically right and anybody that does it differently is an idiot and needs to be ran off the road.

I live in a fairly rural location and when I come to a roundabout it is literally take your chances, there are no indicators, no yielding to on coming traffic, no lane dicipline and if somebody pulls out infront of you they dont brake they use the horn.

Its only thursday and already this week I have seen 3 instances of a car (the same car) swerving around islands and oncoming traffic in order to drive the wrong way around the roundabout!

james08

I remember i was driving through sligo a few months back and met a car going in the wrong direction on the roundabout!! I had to avoid the car or a serious crash would have happened... there are some mental drivers out there!

?Cee?view

Jumpy wrote: »

youtheman wrote: »

Erm. Its not talking about the first exit. Its talking about others. You jumped in a bit early there.


edit: I read what you quoted from. My bad, his worse.

No, you're both reading me wrongly, just to win an argument on a board. Obviously, my post refers to other than taking the first exit. For the first exit obviously you indicate before entering the roundabout, but that's not the ponit I was making. But hey, you both feel like you've won an argument :rolleyes:

Vegeta

Slig wrote: »

They have comissioned tv ads to demonstrate how to approach a junction FFS. Roundabouts are very clear cut to anybody that bothers to read the ROTR(everybody got a free copy). Unfortunately alot of people dont and instead just rely on the fact that the way they have always done it is automatically right and anybody that does it differently is an idiot and needs to be ran off the road.

I live in a fairly rural location and when I come to a roundabout it is literally take your chances, there are no indicators, no yielding to on coming traffic, no lane dicipline and if somebody pulls out infront of you they dont brake they use the horn.

Its only thursday and already this week I have seen 3 instances of a car (the same car) swerving around islands and oncoming traffic in order to drive the wrong way around the roundabout!

Oh don't get me wrong I fcuking hate them with a passion and think the NRA should only be allowed to use them as a last resort, not the first.

I was just pointing out that it doesn't matter the example in the ROTR only has 4 entrances/exits (it covers all types by the language used), the problem is people are being thought by driving instructors and tested to a different set of rules and people who know how to use a roundabout have to drive incorrectly to accommodate for that, like in your examples

I did my test just 20 months ago and I was thought completely differently to the ROTR (because the instructor knew how the tester operated) and therefore passed my test no problem at all.

I think the first step they need to carry out is making sure testers are testing to the RoTR

Cuddlesworth

silvervixen84 wrote: »

Ok, if we're going with generalisations, when I'M using the correct lanes on roundabouts, it's always MALE muppets in souped up jap imports/german show off cars who cut me off when i'm indicating to take my exit, doing the whole "move or be moved" bully tactics. Maybe you have not seen a guy do it cos ur too busy looking for a woman driver to criticise.

Or maybe its because I call the little prat on his bluff. And they always back down.

Slig

Vegeta wrote: »

Oh don't get me wrong I fcuking hate them with a passion and think the NRA should only be allowed to use them as a last resort, not the first.

I was just pointing out that it doesn't matter the example in the ROTR only has 4 entrances/exits (it covers all types by the language used), the problem is people are being thought by driving instructors and tested to a different set of rules and people who know how to use a roundabout have to drive incorrectly to accommodate for that, like in your examples

I did my test just 20 months ago and I was thought completely differently to the ROTR (because the instructor knew how the tester operated) and therefore passed my test no problem at all.

I think the first step they need to carry out is making sure testers are testing to the RoTR

Sorry I took you up wrong, I agree completely, everybody should be taught correctly and to the same standard.
Unfortunately the afore mentioned daft biddy in her micra is a long time out of school and the only way she will further her driving education is if Uncle Gaybo tells her how to do it right during the ads in Fair City.