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This Sunderland thing

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,497 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Des wrote: »

    So, you have some link to the area.

    If it wasn't for the other half, you probably wouldn't have ever went, right?

    You are right there, i probably wouldn't have gone to Sunderland no, i am a Blackburn fan myself.

    The thing is though once i went there i was hooked, even as a Blackburn fan.The key is that i have gotten into a routine. I enjoy going to Sunderland games, i enjoy travelling over there, i enjoy listening to the radio show build up in the car driving to the stadium. Then obviously the game itself and all that entails.

    Getting people hooked is how you get the numbers up and progress whatever club it may be. Others again have been giving Quinn and Sunderland stick for masquerading a cut in tickets as doing a good deed for the fans, when under the blanket of it all it is Marketing.

    Of course it is Marketing, and again i feel this is going to be a really successfull move for them. Getting the kids hooked and feeling like i was above at an early age will only be good for the future of the club.

    £19 pound for a season ticket holder to get a child a season ticket is unbelieveable value.

    Des wrote: »
    OK, this is fairly subjective.

    You are right with it being fairly subjective alright, and to tie into what you said after this, is that its all about what you get from it. For me the best atmosphere i've ever witnessed was the Sunderland v Newcastle game this season, the tension walking to the ground, and just the sheer noise and constant amount of it during the game was immense, but i totally believe that you can get that same atmosphere with 500 people at tolka.

    Des wrote: »
    One hundred percent, bang on, the LoI is a fúcking shambles at the moment, and I hate it. Falling from one fúck up to the next, I wouldn't encourage anyone to get into it right now. It would be nice if people did, it might make some of the financial problems go away, but the way it is run by those incompetent gobshítes in Abbotstown, with their propaganda and lies, I don't blame a single soul for not coming near it.

    I admire your honesty there, i don't know how feesable it is, but the LoI needs to set itself up and break away from the Fai as much as they can. Obviously not totally. You need people like yourself with a love for the Local game running the show and hopefully coming up with systems to get the numbers up - because thats where it needs to start - thats where the major money comes from in a league like that.

    Des wrote: »
    But it is a bandwagon, of course it is.

    I suppose it is, but i don't have any particular hatred for bandwagons to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,491 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    It's not too recent a phenomenon. I started following their progress more closely a few years ago when one of my neighbours who I used to play against reguilarly signed for them. Was nice to see a local lad up against players like Gerrard, Keane, Vieira etc. Have had an interest in them since but wouldn't particularly call myself a fan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    ntlbell wrote: »
    again i ask why is it a bad/negative thing?
    Because the LOI needs bums on seats to progress. It can be extremely frustrating when trying to convince someone to attend a domestic game and they come up with every excuse they can possibly think of to avoid attending. And yet, the same person will head off to a game across the water at the drop of a hat (and at a considerable expense to themselves, might I add). I really don't have a problem with people attending games elsewhere - I can understand why people would want to go to Old Trafford, the Nou Camp, the San Siro, etc. It's the constant dismissal of football in this country that can be frustrating.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Jazzy


    Des wrote: »
    Er..

    Niall Quinn and the rest of his cronies owning the club, Roy Keane being the manager for a while and all the Irish players.

    May have had something to do with it.

    What sickens me the most is the "fans" heading off on weekend trips to see them, paying all that money to "support the Irish". :rolleyes:

    Or people pretending to be interested in them because of the "Irish connection" or "I like to see Irish do well" or "I'd support anything Irish" - yeah, apart from actual Irish football teams that is.



    Support the Irish at home ffs.


    sounds to me like a lot of clever business men taking advantage of the incompetence of the FAIl
    i dunno, cant hate ppl for being smart.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Jazzy


    ntlbell wrote: »
    Your constant bashing of people going around enjoying themselves but not doing it in this country! is getting very tiresome.

    have to give ya thanks for that one. so true. if ppl want to be entertained, let them choose how they do it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    djpbarry wrote: »
    Because the LOI needs bums on seats to progress. It can be extremely frustrating when trying to convince someone to attend a domestic game and they come up with every excuse they can possibly think of to avoid attending. And yet, the same person will head off to a game across the water at the drop of a hat (and at a considerable expense to themselves, might I add). I really don't have a problem with people attending games elsewhere - I can understand why people would want to go to Old Trafford, the Nou Camp, the San Siro, etc. It's the constant dismissal of football in this country that can be frustrating.

    what has LOI needing bums on seats got to do with casual supporters going to see football they want to see once or twice a year?

    the majority don't want to go to LOI games because the standard of football is awful.

    the same person will go on a weekend away with a crowd for the weekend away and to go on the beer and take in a match with generally some of the best footballers in Europe.

    The constant dismissal like we need to go over it again is usually the standard is awful and it is.

    Your not going to convert a casual traveller to old trafford to a weekly regular to the LOI (there will be a few exceptions but in general)

    so these casual fans going over for the craic are not really lost buisness for LOI clubs.

    so my point is this

    casual/bandwagon jumpers cause no real harm to irish football.

    your saying LOI need bums on seats but it's not the casual goer to old trafford that's reducing the bums on seat they're the least of your worries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,604 ✭✭✭herbieflowers


    yawn, the ol' chestnut resurfaces under another guise...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭invincibleirish


    Its no ones business but self which club one supports.

    You don't have to follow the club most local to you because some keyboard warrior said so.

    You don't have to partake in the club bingo, buy the raffle tickets, raise money and go to the end of year dinner dance in order to be a supporter.

    you are not a bad person or not in way less irish because of the football club you support.

    LoI fans on here whats your beef? every thread we have the same suspects with the sly digs at those who follow EPL teams, you are not real fans just because you say so and you are not representative of all LoI fans, you just sound like cranky old men and you do not represent real fans, **** off to foot.ie if you want to bitch about the epl.

    Sunderland are useless


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭themont85


    Hilarious all the EL fans coming straight on to this thread to bash Sunderland. The hatred of them because they took Irish investment, some casual fans and most of all get more intrest as people's second or third club than most people pay attention than to the EL. Lads, be honest, its not as if Charlie Chawke ect were diverting their investment from the EL to Sunderland. They would never have put the money into an EL club because they would have made no money and got less of a kick out of it.

    And bashing Sunderland for coming over and playing some pre season friendlies against EL teams? Of course being cynical you chaps don't like it because you see that when they come there's a bit more intrest and Sunderland know by doing so they might get a few more fans over to the SOL. Well, Sunderland didn't have to come and play your team. I'm sure the various clubs appreciated the extra revenue they got and the fans indirectly by the extra players you signed because of it. The EL clubs needed Sunderland more than Sunderland needed the EL.

    Its getting tiresome all the Sunderland bashing.

    Its like a guy looking at another guy, who they see as not as good looking as themselves, yet with a better looking girlfriend and then bitching to their friends about it instead of getting up of their ass and trying to get the better looking bird.

    Sunderland are liked for a multitude of reasons. Bandwagoning comes into it, of course. But why all the hatred of the word, the connatations of it are feared by some. Human beings all have, by nature, a disposition to it. Even the great EL fans. Don't deny you've never being sucked into something because of media hype or because you knew somebody getting bigged up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    themont85 wrote: »
    Hilarious all the EL fans coming straight on to this thread to bash Sunderland. The hatred of them because they took Irish investment, some casual fans and most of all get more intrest as people's second or third club than most people pay attention than to the EL. Lads, be honest, its not as if Charlie Chawke ect were diverting their investment from the EL to Sunderland. They would never have put the money into an EL club because they would have made no money and got less of a kick out of it.

    And bashing Sunderland for coming over and playing some pre season friendlies against EL teams? Of course being cynical you chaps don't like it because you see that when they come there's a bit more intrest and Sunderland know by doing so they might get a few more fans over to the SOL. Well, Sunderland didn't have to come and play your team. I'm sure the various clubs appreciated the extra revenue they got and the fans indirectly by the extra players you signed because of it. The EL clubs needed Sunderland more than Sunderland needed the EL.

    Its getting tiresome all the Sunderland bashing.

    Its like a guy looking at another guy, who they see as not as good looking as themselves, yet with a better looking girlfriend and then bitching to their friends about it instead of getting up of their ass and trying to get the better looking bird.

    Sunderland are liked for a multitude of reasons. Bandwagoning comes into it, of course. But why all the hatred of the word, the connatations of it are feared by some. Human beings all have, by nature, a disposition to it. Even the great EL fans. Don't deny you've never being sucked into something because of media hype or because you knew somebody getting bigged up.

    excellent post.

    prob futile tho.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    ntlbell wrote: »
    the majority don't want to go to LOI games because the standard of football is awful.
    That's a little harsh, but I'm not going to go into it. The standard is obviously poor compared to the EPL - anyone who goes to a LOI game expecting the same standard of football as they would see at the Emirates or Old Trafford is an idiot. But the point is that the standard does not have to be the best in the world for the game to be entertaining. The Scottish League is a case in point. The standard of football on display in the Edinburgh derby is pretty poor compared to the EPL, but that doesn't mean that the game (and atmosphere) cannot be entertaining.
    ntlbell wrote: »
    Your not going to convert a casual traveller to old trafford to a weekly regular to the LOI (there will be a few exceptions but in general)
    I think you're being a little dismissive of those who travel across the water and the connection that they feel to their respective clubs. I know several people who try and get over to Anfield as often as possible. They're also regulars at Ireland games. They would consider themselves far more than "casual travellers" and I could be naive, but I think most people who attend EPL games fall into that category. It's the guys who buy the latest shirt and then sit on a barstool cheering on their latest favourite team who are lost causes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    djpbarry wrote: »
    That's a little harsh, but I'm not going to go into it. The standard is obviously poor compared to the EPL - anyone who goes to a LOI game expecting the same standard of football as they would see at the Emirates or Old Trafford is an idiot. But the point is that the standard does not have to be the best in the world for the game to be entertaining. The Scottish League is a case in point. The standard of football on display in the Edinburgh derby is pretty poor compared to the EPL, but that doesn't mean that the game (and atmosphere) cannot be entertaining.
    I think you're being a little dismissive of those who travel across the water and the connection that they feel to their respective clubs. I know several people who try and get over to Anfield as often as possible. They're also regulars at Ireland games. They would consider themselves far more than "casual travellers" and I could be naive, but I think most people who attend EPL games fall into that category. It's the guys who buy the latest shirt and then sit on a barstool cheering on their latest favourite team who are lost causes.

    Nope people who go to anfield as often as possible are not on a "bandwagon" so those fans are not up for discussion.

    if there going to anfield as often as they can are part of the liverpool supporters club etc they're generally die hard liverpool fans not bandgwaon jumpers.

    my point was about bandwagon jumpers these are not die hard fans.

    your going down a totally different path.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    themont85 wrote: »
    They would never have put the money into an EL club because they would have made no money...
    How much money have they made from their "investment" in Sunderland?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    ntlbell wrote: »
    Nope people who go to anfield as often as possible are not on a "bandwagon" so those fans are not up for discussion.

    As often is possible is probably every game if the individual wanted to, so I wouldn't use the 'often as possible' term too strongly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    ntlbell wrote: »
    Nope people who go to anfield as often as possible are not on a "bandwagon" so those fans are not up for discussion.

    if there going to anfield as often as they can are part of the liverpool supporters club etc they're generally die hard liverpool fans not bandgwaon jumpers.

    my point was about bandwagon jumpers these are not die hard fans.
    Ah, sorry, I see your point. I misunderstood what you were saying.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    ntlbell wrote: »
    Nope people who go to anfield as often as possible are not on a "bandwagon" so those fans are not up for discussion.

    if there going to anfield as often as they can are part of the liverpool supporters club etc they're generally die hard liverpool fans not bandgwaon jumpers.

    my point was about bandwagon jumpers these are not die hard fans.

    your going down a totally different path.

    This has gota be the worst description of the term die hard fan I've seen. A die hard fan doesn't just go as often as possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    DSB wrote: »
    As often is possible is probably every game if the individual wanted to, so I wouldn't use the 'often as possible' term too strongly.

    so what do we do now base a fan on the amount of times they turn the stiles?

    here's a few more straws.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    DSB wrote: »
    This has gota be the worst description of the term die hard fan I've seen. A die hard fan doesn't just go as often as possible.

    sorry it wasn't meant to be a new oxford definition of die hard.

    etc was to fill in the gaps for a football fan posting on a football forum to work out...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    ntlbell wrote: »
    so what do we do now base a fan on the amount of times they turn the stiles?

    here's a few more straws.

    Nope I never mentioned criteria at all. But why say as often as possible when it isn't as often as possible? I'm not criticising anyone for not making every game but why bother making fake excuses at the same time?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    ntlbell wrote: »
    Des usually does a runner from these threads as soon as a rational debate on topic arises

    thanks for the personal dig, for which I assume there will be no apology, or repurcussions, but hey, I'm used to it from the likes of you.

    ffs.

    Anyway, I was finished work at 7, and now I'm just after my dinner and turning on my computer.

    I'll be back in to work tomorrow at ten to address the points made.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    DSB wrote: »
    Nope I never mentioned criteria at all. But why say as often as possible when it isn't as often as possible? I'm not criticising anyone for not making every game but why bother making fake excuses at the same time?

    I'm not making excuses for anyone?

    I live 5 minutes from dalymount and it will always be as often as possible.

    life,partner,kids,work,money there's tons of small little things that can get in the way.

    but i don't go around weighing up my level of fanness each year on the amount of times i turn the stiles

    I try to get to old trafford as often as posible

    again.

    money,kids,partner,mortgages,work etc can get in the way.

    there not excuses there just life.

    so it will always be as much as possible be it 5 minutes down the road

    or 40 minutes away on a plane.

    have you got any points or are you going to nit pick till the thread is closed?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭Kinetic^


    Oh noes........the bandwagon folk!!

    I'm hopefully going to get to a game when over on a stag in April. I don't support them. I just want to see an English premier league game as I've never been. With the Irish connection still there as such, I'd rather give the few bob to them. As the 25 of us going over are not an actual fans of SAFC, are we not allowed to attend the match? :rolleyes:

    If the stag was in another major city then we'd try get a game there but it's not so it was one of NUFC, MFC or SAFC and we all preferred to see the later of the 3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    Des wrote: »
    thanks for the personal dig, for which I assume there will be no apology, or repurcussions, but hey, I'm used to it from the likes of you.
    .

    lol

    trying to pull this one again.

    no there will be no apology for stating my opinion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    ntlbell wrote: »
    I'm not making excuses for anyone?

    I live 5 minutes from dalymount and it will always be as often as possible.

    life,partner,kids,work,money there's tons of small little things that can get in the way.

    but i don't go around weighing up my level of fanness each year on the amount of times i turn the stiles

    I try to get to old trafford as often as posible

    again.

    money,kids,partner,mortgages,work etc can get in the way.

    there not excuses there just life.

    so it will always be as much as possible be it 5 minutes down the road

    or 40 minutes away on a plane.

    have you got any points or are you going to nit pick till the thread is closed?

    I thought the point was obvious. A real fan finds a way despite the obstacles. Obviously there are extreme circumstances which may prevail but money is rarely a valid reason. Most of us have the money like. Some just spend it on other things they find more important.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    DSB wrote: »
    I thought the point was obvious. A real fan finds a way despite the obstacles. Obviously there are extreme circumstances which may prevail but money is rarely a valid reason. Most of us have the money like. Some just spend it on other things they find more important.

    No, that's not the point at all.

    i don't understand this "real" fan business.

    Maybe I'm not one.

    can you put down the criteria for a real fan

    so we can all understand what one is?

    what i find important is keeping a roof over my kids head and food on the table

    if doing that instead of going to a match makes me a "fake" fan

    then that's what i am


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    ntlbell wrote: »
    No, that's not the point at all.

    i don't understand this "real" fan business.

    Maybe I'm not one.

    can you put down the criteria for a real fan

    so we can all understand what one is?

    what i find important is keeping a roof over my kids head and food on the table

    if doing that instead of going to a match makes me a "fake" fan

    then that's what i am

    Fair enough if its the difference between a mortgage and living and going to matches regularly. I'd just wager that it rarely is because most people have enough disposal income for social activities and they will allocate those accordingly to what their interests are. For most its just getting locked at the weekend while sitting in a pub clapping their team off the pitch. Which I might add is possibly the stupidest thing I've seen anyone do.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Jazzy


    djpbarry wrote: »
    How much money have they made from their "investment" in Sunderland?

    i dunno, are u a business man? can u tell us the ins and outs of how a PL club runs and makes money? or did they just invest in sunderland for the laugh and to p1ss off LoI fans?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    DSB wrote: »
    while sitting in a pub clapping their team off the pitch. Which I might add is possibly the stupidest thing I've seen anyone do.

    I have to say the only time I ever saw this was watching Ireland matches.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    ntlbell wrote: »
    I have to say the only time I ever saw this was watching Ireland matches.

    I don't really watch games in pubs so I'm probably working from a small sample size but the few times I've been there its been rampant, mainly among United and Liverpool fans, some of them even singing the songs, how attached from reality can you be?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    DSB wrote: »
    I don't really watch games in pubs so I'm probably working from a small sample size but the few times I've been there its been rampant, mainly among United and Liverpool fans, some of them even singing the songs, how attached from reality can you be?

    This is where I kind of get lost, why does them doing it annoy you tho?

    This is what I see..

    A few lads having a few pints in the pub watching a match and having a bit of craic?

    what you see

    "F*cking barstoolers,"

    I don't see united fans in a pub singing viva ronaldo (which i have never seen) anymore more weird than ireland fans sitting in a pub singing ole ole?

    they're united/pool fans what difference does it make if they sing the songs in the pub

    and why does it get to you so much?

    be honest.

    that way we can have a discussion.


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