UK Government to store details of ordinary people's journeys into and out of Britain

fumpidge

What the fu*ck is wrong with the UK, It seems every day of the week something new crops up. I seriously believe the UK Under Gordon Brown is rapidly turning itself into a police state.

This is the latest.

The British Government is to store details of ordinary people's journeys into and out of Britain. The Government is quietly constructing a massive surveillance database which will store details of millions of ordinary people's international journeys for up to 10 years.

The ambitious computer system, housed at a secret location in north west England, will record names and dates of every movement in and out of the UK by air, sea or rail, along with reservation and payment details, addresses and telephone numbers, names of travelling companions and even luggage carried

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1138953/Government-store-details-ordinary-peoples-journeys-Britain.html

Zebra3

It's been a police state long since before he took over.

Another reason to avoid the place.

Abi

Wheres the problem exactly?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Abigayle wrote: »

Wheres the problem exactly?

Privacy?


Little America... a bit paranoid.

bikki

If i ran a country id like i would probably want to know whos coming and going out of it also

Abi

Marlee Alive Spaciousness wrote: »

Privacy?


Little America... a bit paranoid.

If you have nothing to hide, then you should have no problem.

Duck's hoop

fumpidge wrote: »

The Government is quietly constructing a massive surveillance database which will store details of millions of ordinary people's international journeys for up to 10 years.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1138953/Government-store-details-ordinary-peoples-journeys-Britain.html

You'd have to wonder what they hope to achieve with that tactic. Profiling has to be easily fudged by practically anyone. As a non-terrorist international though, I have nothing to fear, personally. Something I share with many many inernational terrorists. If such such an entity exists.

Quazzie

Abigayle wrote: »

Wheres the problem exactly?

Exactly. I like to know who is coming into my house, who they are bringing with them, and what they are carrying. Applied on a larger scale this is the very same thing. Fair play I say. If only Ireland had one tenth of the restrictions they have in place then we would live in a better country.

griffdaddy

so does this mean they'll be doing checks on the trains going into northern ireland? i can't see that happening unless they're missing the unique excitement that only comes with pipe bombs

Earthhorse

What about extraordinary people? Are they exempt?

Abi

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

Exactly. I like to know who is coming into my house, who they are bringing with them, and what they are carrying. Applied on a larger scale this is the very same thing. Fair play I say. If only Ireland had one tenth of the restrictions they have in place then we would live in a better country.

Plus one to that sir. Only Ireland takes ooherr circa 5-10yrs to catch on.

irish_rebel

fumpidge wrote: »

What the fu*ck is wrong with the UK, It seems every day of the week something new crops up. I seriously believe the UK Under Gordon Brown is rapidly turning itself into a police state.

This is the latest.

The British Government is to store details of ordinary people's journeys into and out of Britain. The Government is quietly constructing a massive surveillance database which will store details of millions of ordinary people's international journeys for up to 10 years.

The ambitious computer system, housed at a secret location in north west England, will record names and dates of every movement in and out of the UK by air, sea or rail, along with reservation and payment details, addresses and telephone numbers, names of travelling companions and even luggage carried

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1138953/Government-store-details-ordinary-peoples-journeys-Britain.html

i will tell u what the f*ck is wrong with the british goverment is they think they can control everything

Valmont

I go to England and I come back, they take it down in a little notebook, I don't ****ing care really. It's great getting all indignant at something stupid once in a while isn't it? Next thing you know they will try to colonise us again! Grrr argh!

jesus_thats_gre

I really don't see the problem. The notion that a the details of foreign nationals entering or leaving a country is not recorded is extremely surprising.

bikki

Valmont wrote: »

I go to England and I come back, they take it down in a little notebook, I don't ****ing care really. It's great getting all indignant at something stupid once in a while isn't it? Next thing you know they will try to colonise us again! Grrr argh!

Would it be such a bad thing at the moment?

Mena

Hmm, I thought they already did this? How naive are they

Don't see it as a problem myself, not like they've a camera down my pants.

robinph

Mena wrote: »

... not like they've a camera down my pants.

They are not bringing that requirement in until next month.

Donald-Duck

I actually just assumed this was done in most countries in the world

K-9

They should of had this in the 70's and 80's.

phasers

They're gonna think I'm a terrorist so, I go to the UK a lot

galwayrush

What's the big deal about it? All that info is probably available to them already from ferry and airline records.:rolleyes:
I wish we would keep track of who is coming here.

rainbowtrout

All the details will be stored on a laptop which will then be left on a train/in a pub/in a shopping trolley by a government official...

galwayrush

rainbowtrout wrote: »

All the details will be stored on a laptop which will then be left on a train/in a pub/in a shopping trolley by a government official...

We're pretty good at that here in Ireland as well.:D

fumpidge

K-9 wrote: »

They should of had this in the 70's and 80's.

They did to an extent. the UK authorities were monitoring and recording analogue phone calls at a database in wales during the height of the troubles. It would have been primitive to todays digital standards.

tolosenc

irish_rebel wrote: »

i will tell u what the f*ck is wrong with the british goverment is they think they can control everything

lol

How exactly does this affect borderless travel within the British Isles. I presume we won't be checked going up to the North?

Duck's hoop

fumpidge wrote: »

They did to an extent. the UK authorities were monitoring and recording analogue phone calls at a database in wales during the height of the troubles. It would have been primitive to todays digital standards.

Why Wales? And wouldn't there be no point monitoring 'digital' seeing as it hadn't really been a runner. at that time on a small time terrorist level?

Mossy Monk

irish_rebel wrote: »

i will tell u what the f*ck is wrong with the british goverment is they think they can control everything

Which means the British government think they can control their own country. Bravo on your observation.

Duck's hoop

obl wrote: »

I presume we won't be checked going up to the North?

You'll be alright. They only check for personality.

tolosenc

Duck's hoop wrote: »

You'll be alright. They only check for personality.

So your sense of humour should be all right then?

Duck's hoop

obl wrote: »

So your sense of humour should be all right then?

Gold plated. Now I'm green with large teeth.

Boskowski

Abigayle wrote: »

If you have nothing to hide, then you should have no problem.

Thats the number one retard argument that crops up sooner or later every time such a discussion comes up. This time it just took a handful of posts

Donald-Duck

realcam wrote: »

Thats the number one retard argument that crops up sooner or later every time such a discussion comes up. This time it just took a handful of posts

Except in this case it really holds true, why do you give a **** if they know when you enter or leave the country? I hope you complain when your local shops has a security camera because then they can find out when you go to it and leave too!

Duck's hoop

realcam wrote: »

Thats the number one retard argument that crops up sooner or later every time such a discussion comes up. This time it just took a handful of posts

Please. Discard the 'retard' thing.

javaboy

realcam wrote: »

Thats the number one retard argument that crops up sooner or later every time such a discussion comes up. This time it just took a handful of posts

That's borderline abuse. Don't do it again.

Boskowski

Donald-Duck wrote: »

Except in this case it really holds true, why do you give a **** if they know when you enter or leave the country? I hope you complain when your local shops has a security camera because then they can find out when you go to it and leave too!

It's the whole attitude behind it.
In the UK every idiot civil servant can get everything about you (and they do) just because you have the cheek to apply for a rent supplement or the dole or something. '1984' & 'Brazil' and all those 'visions' weren't just fantasies, we're def'ny heading that way.
I mean wtf are they gaining with all these measures in the long run other than creating a paranoia world worse than what Hitler & Stalin could have ever imagined. Where will it stop? Will we be all chipped, numbered, cattle-prodded and stuck into the matrix 24/7? Or maybe that already happened?

Duck's hoop

javaboy wrote: »

That's borderline abuse. Don't do it again.

OK. He won't.

Boskowski

javaboy wrote: »

That's borderline abuse. Don't do it again.

I won't, ok, but I didn't abuse the poster. And it is the argument of someone who has thought about this for about 2 seconds...

Duck's hoop

realcam wrote: »

.1) Where will it stop? Will we be all chipped, numbered, cattle-prodded and stuck into the matrix 24/7?
2) Or maybe that already happened?

1) Yes
2) Don't think so.

K-9

realcam wrote: »

I won't, ok, but I didn't abuse the poster. And it is the argument of someone who has thought about this for about 2 seconds...

Not necessarily.

LightningBolt

Shouldn't this have been started by Run to Da Hills?

galwayrush

realcam wrote: »

Thats the number one retard argument that crops up sooner or later every time such a discussion comes up. This time it just took a handful of posts

What is the problem ? If someone has nothing to hide, why should they be worried? :rolleyes:

Duck's hoop

galwayrush wrote: »

What is the problem ? If someone has nothing to hide, why should they be worried? :rolleyes:

Very difficult. But come on, some things you'd like to keep to yourself surely, you don't need to be semtex sam to appreciate infractions of personal yourworldthatyouwantoyourself. Tuncs.

Boskowski

galwayrush wrote: »

What is the problem ? If someone has nothing to hide, why should they be worried? :rolleyes:

'Cos what you should be hiding may change in an instant very dramatically. In the UK you could lose your job because you offer to pray for someone after all. So in a super-nanny PC state where some mindless government body full of beaurocrats decides what the current 'line' is I'd rather have 'them' knowing as little as possible about us ordinary folks. And also there is the possibility that our rosy 'democracies' won't remain rosy 'democracies' forever? Why do all the dirty work for our new overlords?

Terry

realcam wrote: »

'Cos what you should be hiding may change in an instant very dramatically. In the UK you could lose your job because you offer to pray for someone after all. So in a super-nanny PC state where some mindless government body full of beaurocrats decides what the current 'line' is I'd rather have 'them' knowing as little as possible about us ordinary folks. And also there is the possibility that our rosy 'democracies' won't remain rosy 'democracies' forever? Why do all the dirty work for our new overlords?

Retard arguement?

How about this one then; I don't live in the UK and will most likely never go there. I don't give a flying **** what their idiot government does because it does not affect me.

First person to even think of posting something along the lines of 'but the Irish government will do it next' can piss off to Conspiracy Theories.
Yes, I have turned into a thought police type mod.

robinph

I am shocked at how many people here don't seem to have a problem with the idea of 1984 and the continuing tiny steps towards that situation that this and similar policies are bringing about.

Boskowski

julep wrote: »

Retard arguement?

Yeah, already been warned. Relax.

julep wrote: »

How about this one then; I don't live in the UK and will most likely never go there. I don't give a flying **** what their idiot government does because it does not affect me.

Well some people do give a crap about things that don't necessarily affect them right now.

julep wrote: »

First person to even think of posting something along the lines of 'but the Irish government will do it next' can piss off to Conspiracy Theories.
Yes, I have turned into a thought police type mod.

So what type of discussion did you expect on this subject then?

Run_to_da_hills

LightningBolt wrote: »

Shouldn't this have been started by Run to Da Hills?

Why should I?

This is all old news and nothing that we did not know about already. :rolleyes:

The ‘EBorders’ project, is basically another name for the national ID / chipped passport surveillance that the home office spoke of introducing last July. You will soon need electronic ID to enter / depart from the UK between Ireland and any other EU country.

Last July: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055342349&highlight=electronic

Duck's hoop

julep wrote: »

Retard arguement?

sTRaight awey.

Duck's hoop

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The ‘EBorders’ project, is basically another name for the national ID / chipped passport surveillance that the home office spoke of introducing last July. You will soon need electronic ID to enter / depart from the UK between Ireland and any other EU country.

And? Why should I give a fig?

Rb

javaboy wrote: »

That's borderline abuse. Don't do it again.

Lol, wtf is this shit?

javaboy

Rb wrote: »

Lol, wtf is this shit?

If you're referring to the bold writing, I stole it from Wibbs. If you're talking about the content of the post itself, please take it to PM/Feedback/Helpdesk.