BSG 2003 S04E14 "Blood on the Scales" **SPOILERS**

Dr. Baltar

Felix Gaeta's mutiny continues while Roslin finds refuge on the Cylon Basestar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoX6TmSsTSc

Overheal

That was greatness squared.

The Gnome

Sweet...















Zombie...















Jesus...

wijam

enjoyed the episode, but it wasn't as good as last weeks in my opinion, but with the mutiny over this quickly it will be interesting to see where the storyline leads now.

Cavill has to show up at some stage which will get interesting

Sherifu

That was hugely satisfying.

I finally figured out where the chief was heading before he got there. What was the damage he was looking at? Was it from centurions?

Good to see Lampkin again.

I guess we are in for a visit from the evil cylons soon now that the mutiny is wrapped up...

transylman

Sherifu wrote: »

That was hugely satisfying.

I finally figured out where the chief was heading before he got there. What was the damage he was looking at? Was it from centurions?

Good to see Lampkin again.

I guess we are in for a visit from the evil cylons soon now that the mutiny is wrapped up...

I'm guessing the structure of the ship is beginning to deteriorate and they will need to settle somewhere soon before it falls apart.

JD1763

Agree with wijam- good but not as good as last weeks episode. For something so huge and pivotal it was over very quickly, think it needed more than two episodes really. Was kind of annoying the way one minute Gaeta and Zarek are in complete control, lots of marines etc supporting them and then suddenly theres a huge crowd out of nowhere following Adama and swarming the bridge. No mention of Anders and if he's made it before the end either.

On the plus side after such a start to the season hopefully the finale will top it.

Volvagia

brilliant....

The quorum getting slaughtered, that was really ****ed up.

I wonder if anders will make it.

I loved Baltar talking about his "Fan Club"

Stark

A very satisfying conclusion. And Zarek finally gets what's coming to him, woohoo

Looks like we're going to have a lot of questions answered in next week's episode I'd avoid any trailers if you don't like spoilers.

Leprachaun

What did Gaeta mean when he said 'It stopped' ? Did he mean his leg stopped itching?

Sherifu

Leprachaun wrote: »

What did Gaeta mean when he said 'It stopped' ? Did he mean his leg stopped itching?

Yep. I wasn't sure whether to read anything into that or not.

Suaimhneach

That scene where the halls are full of people are following Adama to re-claim the ship, really makes it seem like, as per DeV, he could be the dying leader this whole time.

I am *so* glad it didnt go into another trial based episode. I had a small fear when I saw the irish lawyer guy that this might drag out, thankfully it didnt.

What happened to Andres and Kara though? And what the frak - she kissed Lee only hours earlier - is she just a walking hormone when she's killin' people?

I still wonder how Bill is gonna make it okay for the fleet to accept the cyclons? "Trust me, because I am your (possibly dying) leader" doesnt seem to cut it to me. And the odds are still against them, 35 to 10? And how come the other ships that had FTL jump away when the Battlestar didnt?

So many questions. What a great show. I look forward to my next flu so I can re-watch it all, from series one.

Johnny Storm

WOW! Best ep so far this (half-) "season"

mawk

pet shop psychology tells me that his leg stopped itching because the itch was only a physical manifestation of the guilt he was feeling knowing that he should not have incited this trouble. the release of guilt knowing that his punishment was immediate and unavoidable meant he was able to pass the feeling.

Stark

I thought it was the knowledge that himself and his leg were soon to be reunited...

jor el

mawk wrote: »

pet shop psychology tells me that his leg stopped itching because the itch was only a physical manifestation of the guilt he was feeling knowing that he should not have incited this trouble. the release of guilt knowing that his punishment was immediate and unavoidable meant he was able to pass the feeling.

I took it to be a cruel twist of irony. The itch has been at him and at him this whole time, and then as he's just about to die, it stops. Could have been a psychological thing too, I suppose.

Very good episode, especially Zarek's decent into what would probably become a dictatorship, with killing the entire Quorum, and then trying to make Gaeta his lap dog.

It would have been nice if this had come up earlier in the season, and have the mutiny/civil war go on a bit longer, but with only a few episodes left, it had to end quickly.

Nice little comeback by the Prez, threatening to come after all the mutineers, it would have been nice to see how that would have played out, had Adama actually been dead. Never frak with a bald woman, I suppose.

Felt a bit sorry for Gaeta at the end, you have to understand his hatred, and his motives, but he was one little bollix though. Zarek got exactly what was coming to him, finally.

Overheal

The whole thing with Kara and Lee, its a frakking mess but an understandable one. Loving two people at the same time - that gets messy.

What a nice way for Gaeta to go.

GuanYin

Good episode. The finish was unsatisfying. Zarak doesn't strike me as a character who would go with dignity.

lostexpectation

gods! about fraking time, how did gaeta get away with so long,,
no trials?

to be killed after coup was zaraks greatest wish, he's a legend now

what great character he was, all worked out nice for that actor in the end

lostexpectation

i hope we see more of the other ships people going mental next week, i can't believe that not going to return to earth.

do the cylons not have to tech to clean the earth

Vokes

Poor Gaeta. Great character.

The Quorom massacre was fairly unexpected and shocking. Great ending too - very downbeat.

I guess we'll see a slow-burner episode next week, perhaps re-introducing Cavil et al., to set up the final rollcoaster arc.

Also sad to see the big G falling apart. I expect her to go out in a blaze of glory in the orbit of New Earth, as Adama sets her to auto-destuct while battling Cavill, Picard-style, in CIC or seomthing

tvnutz

Good episode but not as good as last week. Having to wait a week to find out what happened to anders is annoying,and the holes in the ship Tyrol saw,what was that about? That the ship is starting to fall apart?

I was hoping for more executions though! When Tigh is about to kill one of them until Adama just tells him to tie the guy up. No,put a bullet in his head!

Zarek finally gets what is coming to him,Gaeta...well based on all he has done I wanted him to get his as well,but in a way you can see his reasons for being annoyed. But he went too far,I thought he might have a change of heart some way through it but he actually ordered the execution of Adama and he ordered Roslin's Raptor shot down.

So did D'Anna actually stay behind on Earth like she said she would? If we don't see her again,that is a bit of a crappy send off.

GuanYin

Gaeta was a coward. After all his talk about "the people" and Adama's betrayal, he knew the route Zarak was going when he murdered the council, he knew Zarak would not be a deocratic leader and he did nothing.

I could understand that in a character if they had self interest at hear, but to consider Gaeta was standing up for his beliefs... it made his final talk with Baltar hollow that he took no responsibility for the execution of the council of twelve.

Good episode - when the rocket hit the basestar I was expecting a new age of whoopass to come down on Galactica. Still some questions not answered, like Anders, whether the Lieutenant was executed (Adama said 'tie him up', right?), what the hell is going on with the engine room.

I expected the other baseships to turn up just at the end since the FTL drive was taken offline to give it something a bit extra! Looking forward to next week's one now. Curious about the 'I know what you are' thing, not sure whether to read into it or not. Damn you battlestar and your twists.

Fysh

I really enjoyed that episode. The handling of the mutiny was great - from Gaeta's slowly-dawning realisation of what he's signed up for to Zarek's cynical power grab. I'm glad they didn't slow it down, because a drawn-out mutiny would turn into a civil war that would tear the fleet to shreds.

As it stands, Adama has re-established control and stamped down hard on those that tried to wrest it away from him. The Quorum members have all been murdered by Zarek, which removes some of the immediate political difficulties for Adama & co, and the discovery that Galactica is falling apart might be leverage to make the other ship captains allow the Cylons to install their tech or it might be used as an excuse against fitting it.

Whatever way things go, I'm looking forward to next week's episode in a way I haven't done since season 3 went awry. It's particularly heartening to see BSG back on track so well when Heroes seems set to continue being feeble-hearted rubbish...

Johnny Storm

Vokes wrote: »

...I guess we'll see a slow-burner episode next week, perhaps re-introducing Cavil et al., to set up the final rollcoaster arc.
...

I suppose it's inevitable that the Cavill Cylons will show up. Let's hope they do it in an interesting way (somehow :rolleyes:)
Personally I am getting quite fed up with the whole Cylons thing. They're a bit burned out.

Cloudinsane

That was one corker of an episode! I hope the show keeps it up!

noodler

Very enjoyable, not as much as last wekk but whatever.

I thought the Qurom execution kindof came out of nowhere, then the two marines doing it without question? Also how the hell did Adama turn those 8 marines from the hangar s easily? If they believed in what they were doingthen surely they would have turned once they got their guns back?

I agree it probably needed another episode, I can only justify the quick retake by arguing that Gaeta only had a certain amount of marines under his control? Adama also promised no amnesty so I hope more bullets were sprayed. Anyone get a look at the title numbers? How many did we lose over the two episodes?

Disappointed Helo didn't get a chance to get involved in the wholething either. I guess my Hotdog allegiance question was answered also. Heres hoping the likes of Racetrack etc get theirs.

EDIT: Did the whole thing take place in one day then or was it two days? I lost track of the onscreen times.

Rascal77

Well we didn't actually see if Gaeta got shot.The chief in the ftl room is strange though.Glad Zarek finally got his just desserts.Shooting the council was a shocker!

telemachus

In a way I rather regret they didn't make the whole struggle a little subtler, but I suppose with the time constraints it may have required longer to play it all out. If you look back at the last time Roslin lost power during the election things weren't so clear cut, niether side was entirely clean, and both had persuasive arguments for your average survivor.

To a colonial it can hardly be encouraging to have the head of the military and the president making gooey eyes at eachother in perfect agreement on every matter with the elected quorom little more than a pack of whining children to be placated or ignored at will. The series has never been shy to show the flaws of the "good guys" (remember Roslin and Adamas reaction to the tillium workers strike), but this rather abrupt coup was far more straightforward; Zarek was the self serving amoral would be dictator and Gaeta was the deluded and bitter partner. Don't get me wrong, it was an enjoyable action packed couple of episodes, it just felt a bit cruder than previous storylines have been , the baddies were very bad, and the dashing heroes were very heroic.

bazz26

Good episode.

Am I missing something though? What did Baltar mean by saying "Gaeda, I know who you are" just before his execution?

DeVore

Ok, that was pretty fracked up! I gave it a 4/5 compared to last weeks 5/5.

Geata's leg has to be significant, I just know it has to be. Even though she's psycho, Kara Thrace, yeah. Definitely. When they cut to the Quorum I thought "oh, the quorum is going to get it. sweeeeet!", seemed obvious once they were in the shot. Zarek was never going to pretend to play patsy with them and their "points of order" etc. Great sound effects for that whole "scene"

Anyone else think I'm nuts to think they haven't found Earth yet, that what they found was some other planet?

Ok, you want REALLY nuts.... Could Geata be the 5th? Thats why his leg stopped itching at the end? I dont buy that we know who the 5th is yet.

Great episode, a touch rushed (where was this stuff instead of the filler after the escape from Caprica?). Anyway, cant wait for Cavil & Co to show up, right on schedule because the FTL drive is fracked for the moment. Then the cylons wrecked baseship will have to defend Galactica or jump... (oh noes!) (maybe Cavil & Co have found Earth... though I'm just guessing with that one ).

Galactica isnt ripping apart, at least not as a ship under its own weight. I think the FTL drive, even when fixed wont be operational because it causes some field or other which the bulkheads wont withstand the sheering forces. So they still wont be able to jump.

Tyrell gets a big A for being the man he is until the day he dies! (Tigh too of course but we expected that from the hard ass )


DeV.

bazz26

DeVore wrote: »

Ok, you want REALLY nuts.... Could Geata be the 5th? Thats why his leg stopped itching at the end? I dont buy that we know who the 5th is yet.

Next weeks promo kindo confirms who the 5th is.

degrassinoel

what was tyrell looking at in the last scene he was in?

spooydermot

really fantastic stuff - loved the whole "Adama and his loyal followers marching to victory" scene even if it was a bit cheesy.


Really dying to know what this deep dark secret that Felix and Baltar were sharing - it first comes to light during Baltar's trial and seems to be on the table again - although I can't imagine any reason for Baltar to reveal it now.


was cool to see the FTL drive aswell, it's amazing how many sci-fi things depend on spinning spheres to work though! Like intergalactic ball bearings

TheIrishGrover

Yeah, I reckon the ship's falling apart. Good scene with the chief in the weapons lockup. Good to see him get to do something.......... We never did find out what Baltar said to Gaeta way back when. Only 6 more eps to go folks and, like someone said earlier, next week will probably be a bit of a slow burner after the high octane last few. What the hell're we gonna do then? Caprica not until god knows when. Ah well, we've V reboot next year.

was cool to see the FTL drive aswell, it's amazing how many sci-fi things depend on spinning spheres to work though! Like intergalactic ball bearings

Yeah, kind of reminds me of the engine room in Galaxy Quest. lol

degrassinoel

maybe they are gay, or bi - they did spend a lot of time together in season one with the cylon detector, and again on new caprica, and i thought gaeta sounded a bit jealous in his rant in exodus pt.2 when he was about to off baltar, i dunno, the two of them seem to have a rather 'strange' relationship anyway.

ixoy

spooydermot wrote: »

Really dying to know what this deep dark secret that Felix and Baltar were sharing - it first comes to light during Baltar's trial and seems to be on the table again - although I can't imagine any reason for Baltar to reveal it now.

Is it not just what was revealed in the webisodes?

spooydermot

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Caprica not until god knows when.

The pilot movie for Caprica will appear on DVD in the States on April 21st
http://aintitcool.com/node/40020

can't remember what the 'living ships computers' on the Cylon ships are called but I'm thinking that we may see a glimpse of their evolution in Caprica

oh yeah, it was cool to see Lamkin again, I've just stuck Firefly on the box and there he is again!

TheIrishGrover

spooydermot wrote: »

oh yeah, it was cool to see Lamkin again, I've just stuck Firefly on the box and there he is again!

Ah badger: Of course, you couldn't buy an invite with a diamond the size of a testicle. I got my hands on a couple. :pac:

spooydermot

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Ah badger: Of course, you couldn't buy an invite with a diamond the size of a testicle. I got my hands on a couple. :pac:

That's the ep I have on!

Dr. Baltar

That was a great episode once again, but I've got to agree - last week was better.
It'll be interesting to see what the crack in the engine room was all about.

Derek Coleman

If you guys haven't seen the webisodes that preceeded this season (4.5) then the whole Baltar/Gaeta thing is a mystery.

But if you did see them you would of seen flashbacks to New Caprica where Gaeta gave lists of names to an 8. She was manipulating him. He thought this 8 was helping protect the people but she was rounding them up for execution and he only finds this out after they land on Earth. So his rapid change of personality has been edged along by the realisation that he was tricked by the cylons to kill humans.

And Baltar knows this. When he says "I know who you are" I reckon he see's comparisons with his own situation that led to the destruction of the colonies. He knows he's a good person at heart. I think thats the end of that storyline and that character now.

Derek Coleman

DeVore wrote: »

Anyone else think I'm nuts to think they haven't found Earth yet, that what they found was some other planet?

I'm having the same thoughts. Could the planet they found be some form of cylon colony destroyed by Earthlings!! If 12 tribes left Kobol and found the Colonies and the 13th went towards Earth and left the maps then who's to say the 13th weren't a cylon colony and who's to say they settled on Earth.

I guess all will be revealed. Just think its convenient we didn't see any surrounding space of "EARTH" that would of confirmed it for us.

tvnutz

spooydermot wrote: »

Really dying to know what this deep dark secret that Felix and Baltar were sharing - it first comes to light during Baltar's trial and seems to be on the table again - although I can't imagine any reason for Baltar to reveal it now.

As mentioned by Ixoy,this was explained in the webisodes.Gaeta was giving names to an 8 on New Caprica thinking she was saving them when she was actually executing them. His "hope" in general made him think the 8 was really saving these people when he really knew something else was going on.

The whisper right before Baltar's trial,that causes Gaeta to stab Baltar with the pen...that is also revealed. Baltar whispers to him "I know what you're 8 did".geata can't come to terms with the fact that he didn't see what was really happening and goes mad at Baltar. It was also another reason for him to rebel,in the webisodes the same 8 kills everyone on the raptor they are on.

You should watch those webisodes,not only do they reveal what happened back in season 3 with gaeta and baltar,it also shows what eventually pushed gaeta to start the rebellion.

Johnny Storm

bazz26 wrote: »

Good episode.

Am I missing something though? What did Baltar mean by saying "Gaeda, I know who you are" just before his execution?

Only Balthar knows that he (Balthar) is the biggest traitor to the human race of all time. So I think he was his expressing his traitorous solidarity with Gay-Ta.

Amalgam

Did anyone get the feeling the damage looked like internal damage, instead of damage from outside.. no other way of throwing that up, dodgy wording. Suggestive, but maybe a red herring.

Talisman

The cracks/stress fractures in Galactica have been seen before. You lot have just taken notice of them now.

There's a scene in one of the recent episodes where Adama is shaving and he notices something in the reflection in the mirror, turns around and sees a crack in the ceiling extending down the wall.

ivan087

tvnutz wrote: »

As mentioned by Ixoy,this was explained in the webisodes.Gaeta was giving names to an 8 on New Caprica thinking she was saving them when she was actually executing them. His "hope" in general made him think the 8 was really saving these people when he really knew something else was going on.

The whisper right before Baltar's trial,that causes Gaeta to stab Baltar with the pen...that is also revealed. Baltar whispers to him "I know what you're 8 did".geata can't come to terms with the fact that he didn't see what was really happening and goes mad at Baltar. It was also another reason for him to rebel,in the webisodes the same 8 kills everyone on the raptor they are on.

You should watch those webisodes,not only do they reveal what happened back in season 3 with gaeta and baltar,it also shows what eventually pushed gaeta to start the rebellion.

the webisodes were very important in telling us why gaeta cracked and formed the rebellion. they should of incorporated those into one of the earlier episodes of season 4.

the webisodes were actually pretty good and could of been better if made into a real episode.

good episode this week though. the great thing about BSG, is that every time somebody points a gun at adama or chief - i think that they could be blown away.

really excited about the next 6 episodes!

Talisman

Loved the episode ...

I didn't realise that Colonial One was small enough to land in the Galactica hangar bay.

Finally we got to see what the FTL drive looks like.

And the humor in the episode was excellent.

Tigh when Anders wondered what Gaeta was going to do with them: "In your case, cutting off one of your fraking legs, for a start."
Romo Lampkin when the charges are read against Adama and the penalty is death by firing squad: "Well, I'm not a very good shot."
Romo Lampkin retrieving his shades from the corpse of the marine.

I hope Romo is back again before the finale.

stakey

Brilliant episode, one of my favourite lines from the episode:

Romo Lampkin: "Whos going to feed my dog?" - ROFL!