Ways to regain money instead of hitting the Public Sector

Zionist

As we have all seen the FF/Green government has yet again played a stormer and kicked the bollocks out of the average Nurse,Garda,Solider,Firefighter and Civil Servant.

These people are paying for the corruption of the private sector, such as the Banks,Landlords,Builders etc

Here are a few idea's that could help :

1.) Landlords in Ireland 99% are or were making money hand over fist and not paying tax, how I know this well the PTRB has a list of registered landlords within Ireland and it seems that a small fraction only register but this does not oblige the PTRB to pass on the details to revenue,this degenerates are effectively running businesses and not paying tax, why has'nt the government tackled this imagine the revenue to be made from people with more than 1 house as you can live in more than one at the same time, hence you are running an illegal business...

2.) We have ten's of thousands of illegal immigrants from Non-EU states and the lovely corrupt country Nigeria, why are we paying 100's of millions for these "Criminals" as they basically have entered the country under false pretenses and should be either put into a detention camp and returned to their point of Origin, weither it be the UK,France,Holland etc...EU law dicatates the first country an asylum seeker lands in they have to seek it in that country...I don't know of any direct flights from China or Nigeria DO YOU !

3.) Social Welfare payments to Non Irish citizens, again although these people are in the EU, their home countries are not obliged to recpricate what we do here... Another Massive saving of money to economic tourists...

I can go on and on but whats idea's would you have in regards to this current destruction of the countries morale and economy by the worst and most corrupt government in the existence of this State...

DublinWriter

Zionist wrote: »

should be either put into a detention camp

Considering your nickname, I'm choking on the irony.

stepbar

Zionist wrote: »

As we have all seen the FF/Green government has yet again played a stormer and kicked the bollocks out of the average Nurse,Garda,Solider,Firefighter and Civil Servant.

These people are paying for the corruption of the private sector, such as the Banks,Landlords,Builders etc

Here are a few idea's that could help...

Civil Servant eh?

jmayo

Zionist wrote: »

As we have all seen the FF/Green government has yet again played a stormer and kicked the bollocks out of the average Nurse,Garda,Solider,Firefighter and Civil Servant.

These people are paying for the corruption of the private sector, such as the Banks,Landlords,Builders etc

Here are a few idea's that could help :

1.) Landlords in Ireland 99% are or were making money hand over fist and not paying tax, how I know this well the PTRB has a list of registered landlords within Ireland and it seems that a small fraction only register but this does not oblige the PTRB to pass on the details to revenue,this degenerates are effectively running businesses and not paying tax, why has'nt the government tackled this imagine the revenue to be made from people with more than 1 house as you can live in more than one at the same time, hence you are running an illegal business...

2.) We have ten's of thousands of illegal immigrants from Non-EU states and the lovely corrupt country Nigeria, why are we paying 100's of millions for these "Criminals" as they basically have entered the country under false pretenses and should be either put into a detention camp and returned to their point of Origin, weither it be the UK,France,Holland etc...EU law dicatates the first country an asylum seeker lands in they have to seek it in that country...I don't know of any direct flights from China or Nigeria DO YOU !

3.) Social Welfare payments to Non Irish citizens, again although these people are in the EU, their home countries are not obliged to recpricate what we do here... Another Massive saving of money to economic tourists...

I can go on and on but whats idea's would you have in regards to this current destruction of the countries morale and economy by the worst and most corrupt government in the existence of this State...

This would basically be the same government (minus the Greens) that created the HSE (full of fine public sector workers), that increased the number of state quangoes (again public sector workers), that gave benchmarking awards to state employees firstly to match their private sector counterparts (who happen to be paid more because sometimes they lose their jobs and they don't usually have defined benefit pensions) and someitmes under the pretence they would be more productive.

Most people would see this and the last two governments being too good to the public sector.
BTW ordinary workers in the private sector are paying as well :mad:

Try and stop blaming foreign workers for our ills.
BTW they are entitles to welfare if they have contributed to out tax system, something some of our habitually unemployed have not.

jdivision

Listen, the public sector has been guilty of hundreds of millions, and probably billions of waste. They can't do their own jobs hence why they need to constantly hire consultants. PPARS, the bailout of the religious orders, Pulse, road contracts, faked overtime, pay rises way out of whack with the international norm, bonuses for top civil servants all of whom have always performed excellently apparently, Farmleigh house, the Taoiseach's residence, Luas, Dublin Port tunnel, MediaLab Europe, inability to estimate the cost of things like the medical card for over 70s, GPs being overpaid,a whole Govt department that nobody knows what it does (dept of health), FAS, voting machines... It all goes on. the public service can't do its job.

P. Breathnach

jdivision wrote: »

Listen, the public sector has been guilty of hundreds of millions, and probably billions of waste. They can't do their own jobs hence why they need to constantly hire consultants. PPARS, the bailout of the religious orders, Pulse, road contracts, faked overtime, pay rises way out of whack with the international norm, bonuses for top civil servants all of whom have always performed excellently apparently, Farmleigh house, the Taoiseach's residence, Luas, Dublin Port tunnel, MediaLab Europe, inability to estimate the cost of things like the medical card for over 70s, GPs being overpaid,a whole Govt department that nobody knows what it does (dept of health), FAS, voting machines... It all goes on. the public service can't do its job.

I take it that you are applying for a job in the Indo.

NewDubliner

P. Breathnach wrote: »

I take it that you are applying for a job in the Indo.

Economics and public-service bashing is part of the the job description of the Indo's food critic.

That's private sector efficiency for you.

wylo

Zionist wrote: »

2.) We have ten's of thousands of illegal immigrants from Non-EU states and the lovely corrupt country Nigeria, why are we paying 100's of millions for these "Criminals" as they basically have entered the country under false pretenses and should be either put into a detention camp and returned to their point of Origin, weither it be the UK,France,Holland etc...EU law dicatates the first country an asylum seeker lands in they have to seek it in that country...I don't know of any direct flights from China or Nigeria DO YOU !

All this would probably cost more, not the mention the whole moral issues behind it, alot of these people cant go home, its plain racism to brand them all as criminals.

Zionist

wylo wrote: »

All this would probably cost more, not the mention the whole moral issues behind it, alot of these people cant go home, its plain racism to brand them all as criminals.

It's plain racism to come to a country rip it off because of our good nature and make false claims..

ejmaztec

Zionist wrote: »

It's plain racism to come to a country rip it off because of our good nature and make false claims..

It's plain fraud, not racism.

irish_bob

P. Breathnach wrote: »

I take it that you are applying for a job in the Indo.

its clearly apparent that in the last few weeks , every public servant in the country has attended some tutorial or other where they were each briefed on what the party line is on how to aruge against public sector cuts and criticism

are you applying for a job at the sindo
we didnt create this mess

to a man and woman like clones , they all come out with the same jargon

scargill

Zionist wrote: »

1.) Landlords in Ireland 99% are or were making money hand over fist and not paying tax, how I know this well the PTRB has a list of registered landlords within Ireland and it seems that a small fraction only register but this does not oblige the PTRB to pass on the details to revenue,this degenerates are effectively running businesses and not paying tax, why has'nt the government tackled this imagine the revenue to be made from people with more than 1 house as you can live in more than one at the same time, hence you are running an illegal business...

Zionist - I'm going to ignore the more rightwing ideas in your OP - but I agree 100% with the above bit.

I am a landlord (and have been for the last 6 years). I pay my taxes. I know of at least 4 mates who are renting properties out and none of them are paying taxes. I always bring it up over a few pints and they say "If we paid tax on the rental income then we couldn't afford the mortgage". Well if the revenue had clamped down on this a long time ago then it would've slowed the property boom down a bit over the last few years as less "investors" would've dipped their toe in if they couldn't actually afford it.

When I hear rumblings about increasing taxes (or introducing property taxes) on second homes I just know that as usual it is going to hit people who are properly paying their taxes all along and not the ones who have been dodging !!

The problem the government / revenue have now is that if they do start clamping down on rental tax dodgers then a lot more mortgages will become bad debts.....

deisebabe

I take it that you are applying for a job in the Indo.

Since the indo has implemented paycuts in all their papers I dont think so.

This country is in dire straights because of a combination of the overpaid civil servants and contractors as well as financing refugees that come here to take the p*ss. We need to cut back in all the areas not just one.

I'm also a "landlord" and i pay my taxes. I've also paid stamp duty on both houses i've purchased and the government is taking the P*SS coming after the likes of us again.

If the civil servants had gotten their affairs in order long ago money wouldn't be wasted on contractors and these cutbacks would not be necessary.

Another thing...to help the taxi drivers and bus drivers, put a stop to the nigerians with corsas as taxis.

dresden8

scargill wrote: »

I know of at least 4 mates who are renting properties out and none of them are paying taxes. I always bring it up over a few pints and they say "If we paid tax on the rental income then we couldn't afford the mortgage". Well if the revenue had clamped down on this a long time ago then it would've slowed the property boom down a bit over the last few years as less "investors" would've dipped their toe in if they couldn't actually afford it.

When I hear rumblings about increasing taxes (or introducing property taxes) on second homes I just know that as usual it is going to hit people who are properly paying their taxes all along and not the ones who have been dodging !!

The problem the government / revenue have now is that if they do start clamping down on rental tax dodgers then a lot more mortgages will become bad debts.....

Report the fnckers.

jdivision

P. Breathnach wrote: »

I take it that you are applying for a job in the Indo.

What branch of the public service are you working for? The public service is bloated, doesn't work hard enough, is treated with kid gloves and is massively overpaid even before pensions are taken into account. how was this paid for? Largely through tax receipts from property. Who encouraged this? The public service by introducing tax incentives and not removing tax loopholes. You can dole out criticism to private sector but can't take it. The irony. Mollycoddled for far too long, you can't face the real world. Look at the backlog in the applicants for jobseekers allowance etc in the Dept of Social Welfare. They didn't have to do work for a decade and guess what, they can't handle doing their job now.

Zionist

A fireman is overpaid, you must say that him when he is cutting you out of a car or saving your life.

A Garda is overpaid when he is tackling hardened criminals and risking his/her life.

A Solider is overpaid when he/she is in chad etc putting his life at risk or doing CIT in Ireland.

A Nurse is overpaid when they are helping you in a hospital,delivering your children or saving your life...

Please change your tune as it is both false and disinformation, there are plenty of civil servants doing there jobs as well as ones who do not.

The Private sectors are more responsible for this.....Why so I/We bail out the Banks, why should I pay for directors massive bonuses...

stevoman

some part of each will strike over this anyways. the nurses will go, civil service will pull out social welfare, county council will pull out clerical and so on.

it just not going to work. it is biased there are good hard working people who have got hit hard over this. i was looking at the figues and if you earn 30K its 5.8% on top of your 1% levy. if you earn 35K its 6.4% on top of your 1% levy. thats a .6% increase.

But if you earn 200k its 9.4% and if you earn 300K its 9.6%. only a .2% increase on 100K more earnings. also the people on this high a salary in the civil service have recived a 1.1% increase in their wages recently which wipes out the 1% levy.

Zionist

scargill wrote: »

Zionist - I'm going to ignore the more rightwing ideas in your OP - but I agree 100% with the above bit.

I am a landlord (and have been for the last 6 years). I pay my taxes. I know of at least 4 mates who are renting properties out and none of them are paying taxes. I always bring it up over a few pints and they say "If we paid tax on the rental income then we couldn't afford the mortgage". Well if the revenue had clamped down on this a long time ago then it would've slowed the property boom down a bit over the last few years as less "investors" would've dipped their toe in if they couldn't actually afford it.

When I hear rumblings about increasing taxes (or introducing property taxes) on second homes I just know that as usual it is going to hit people who are properly paying their taxes all along and not the ones who have been dodging !!

The problem the government / revenue have now is that if they do start clamping down on rental tax dodgers then a lot more mortgages will become bad debts.....

You are one of few and I commend thee, my idea's may seem right wing but it is what is on most peoples minds...

I have been in Refugee camps (Real ones) in Rwanda,Tanzania,Bosnia and Chad these people are refugees they are not the corrupt middle classes from nigeria here to rip us off economically and claiming asylum...

truthflyer

Lets face it, the Civil Servants had it coming.......:P

The only problem is the measures did not go far enough

David Begg is in the firing line as being responsible for destroying the country.

Please please just one day in our history could we have a strong leader.

What's needed now is a Maggie to sort out these parasites

BroomBurner

I thought this thread was set up to come up with ideas to generate money that don't centre on the Public Sector. Interesting to see that the majority of (I assume) private sector workers/unemployed people here are just using it to vent their misplaced anger and ignorance.

Zionist, I agree with your landlord point.

Unfortunately, your other points are slightly ridiculous. Not all Nigerian people entering this country are doing so under fraudulant reasons. Also, as for foreign workers receiving benefits after they have worked here, they are entitled to do so, especially if they are part of the EU. If you would like us to leave the EU, then say so, but also outline where you think the money is going to come from to help us rebuild ourselves.

As for everyone else whinging about the public sector, get a hobby, it's getting boring and your ignorance really shows.

P. Breathnach

deisebabe wrote: »

Another thing...to help the taxi drivers and bus drivers, put a stop to the nigerians with corsas as taxis.

Is that because they are black? Or have you something against Corsas? Are black Corsas particularly evil?

Vegeta

BroomBurner wrote: »

As for everyone else whinging about the public sector, get a hobby, it's getting boring and your ignorance really shows.

That's just the way it goes.

The private sector are ignorant of the public sector and the public sector are ignorant of the private sector.

BroomBurner

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Is that because they are black? Or have you something against Corsas? Are black Corsas particularly evil?

I'd only ever get in to a green Corsa...

gandalf

Zionist wrote: »

A fireman is overpaid, you must say that him when he is cutting you out of a car or saving your life.

Thats their job

A Garda is overpaid when he is tackling hardened criminals and risking his/her life.

They are well paid for what they do. How about the Gardai going on a go slow at the emigration desks at Dublin Airport because their meal allowance isn't to their liking.

A Solider is overpaid when he/she is in chad etc putting his life at risk or doing CIT in Ireland.

Again thats a vocational choice. I have never heard of someone wanting to be a soldier to get rich in any country?

A Nurse is overpaid when they are helping you in a hospital,delivering your children or saving your life...

Won't argue with you about nurses they go above and beyond the call of duty. However from my experience in hospitals (from attending because of family illnesses) there are an awful lot of admin staff.

Please change your tune as it is both false and disinformation, there are plenty of civil servants doing there jobs as well as ones who do not.

Yes but what are your solutions to the ones that are not pulling their weight. If for example 10% of the workforce are not doing their jobs or have no jobs beyond a title what would your solution be to that?

The Private sectors are more responsible for this.....Why so I/We bail out the Banks, why should I pay for directors massive bonuses...

Actually imho the Government are suppose to be managing the economy and they dismally failed in this respect. The private sector is already paying a heavy price as has been clearly demonstrated in this thread and the many others on this forum. The money is not there to pay a bloated Pubilc Service so there has to be a correction. This is the start of that correction and if we want the Gardai, the Nurses, the Soldiers and the Firemen to have the resources that they deserve to do their challenging and necessary jobs we need to cull the dead weight who are not necessary. Thats the reality.

BTW you never answered what part of the public service are you in?

BroomBurner

Vegeta wrote: »

That's just the way it goes.

The private sector are ignorant of the public sector and the public sector are ignorant of the private sector.

Wow, what a totally ignorant thing to say. I've worked in both, am now in public but married to someone in private. There are many, many more like myself. In fact, the majority (I will go out on a limb to say this) of public sector workers know full well of what is happening in the private secto.

They also have their own opinions on things that need to be done (shock horror), maybe everyone here could try to read back over other threads and posts to figure that out before they make the same point again and again and again.

Do you all think that yous are the first person to vent your spleen on this forum about that topic?

ninty9er

Zionist wrote: »

A fireman is overpaid, you must say that him when he is cutting you out of a car or saving your life.

A Garda is overpaid when he is tackling hardened criminals and risking his/her life.

A Solider is overpaid when he/she is in chad etc putting his life at risk or doing CIT in Ireland.

A Nurse is overpaid when they are helping you in a hospital,delivering your children or saving your life...

Please change your tune as it is both false and disinformation, there are plenty of civil servants doing there jobs as well as ones who do not.

The Private sectors are more responsible for this.....Why so I/We bail out the Banks, why should I pay for directors massive bonuses...

stevoman wrote: »

But if you earn 200k its 9.4% and if you earn 300K its 9.6%. only a .2% increase on 100K more earnings. also the people on this high a salary in the civil service have recived a 1.1% increase in their wages recently which wipes out the 1% levy.

It's a 3% income levy on that money, not 1%.

I'm sure the figures weren't plucked out of the air...if you earn €15k now and pay 3%, your pension is still going to be based on the salary of the person NOW employed in the grade you retired at. NOBODY in the average private sector job gets that.

This problem could be entirely averted if the public sector was told it was getting a defined contribution pension and paid for it entirely.

I do not accept the misguided view of any citizen of this state that they are paying for the banks, least of all public service employees. The recap will make a return that no current expenditure can, and if the banks failed there would be no wages, no change in the supermarket, no laser card processing, no credit card processing, no import/export. We would be WORSE off than Iceland.

Read that paragraph 5 times and if you still don't get it you never will.

Zionist

gandalf wrote: »

Thats their job



They are well paid for what they do. How about the Gardai going on a go slow at the emigration desks at Dublin Airport because their meal allowance isn't to their liking.



Again thats a vocational choice. I have never heard of someone wanting to be a soldier to get rich in any country?



Won't argue with you about nurses they go above and beyond the call of duty. However from my experience in hospitals (from attending because of family illnesses) there are an awful lot of admin staff.



Yes but what are your solutions to the ones that are not pulling their weight. If for example 10% of the workforce are not doing their jobs or have no jobs beyond a title what would your solution be to that?



Actually imho the Government are suppose to be managing the economy and they dismally failed in this respect. The private sector is already paying a heavy price as has been clearly demonstrated in this thread and the many others on this forum. The money is not there to pay a bloated Pubilc Service so there has to be a correction. This is the start of that correction and if we want the Gardai, the Nurses, the Soldiers and the Firemen to have the resources that they deserve to do their challenging and necessary jobs we need to cull the dead weight who are not necessary. Thats the reality.

BTW you never answered what part of the public service are you in?

My Solution, very very simple to make the Public/Private Sector really effective... Remove their job security meaning, when in either of the above they can be dismissed for lack of progession, lack of meeting performance levels, pay increases based on performance and not a sliding scale for time in the role.

If we treat them like the private sector they can no longer, sit there and do nothing they have to work or they will be let go...The current hit on them although is wrong for the rank and file.

As for the public servants I mentioned they have a needy purpose in this country weither they choose the profession or not they are vital servants that are being tarred with the same brush as the entire government services...

I am a solider a public servant and should'nt have to take a hit for Anglo Irish Bank, Sean Fitzpatrick or any corrupt part of the private sector..

oscarBravo

Zionist wrote: »

EU law dicatates the first country an asylum seeker lands in they have to seek it in that country...I don't know of any direct flights from China or Nigeria DO YOU !

Infracted and banned, per charter.

Pal

Zionist wrote: »

As we have all seen the FF/Green government has yet again played a stormer and kicked the bollocks out of the average Nurse,Garda,Solider,Firefighter and Civil Servant.

These people are paying for the corruption of the private sector, such as the Banks,Landlords,Builders etc
.

No sympathy here for the public sector worker. They are being asked to put their own money into their own pensions that they themselves get back when they retire !

OhNoYouDidn't

Pal wrote: »

No sympathy here for the public sector worker. They are being asked to put their own money into their own pensions that they themselves get back when they retire !

No, they are being asked to put MORE of their own money in, pay the 1% levy and forego an agreed pay rise.

Thats a de facto 15% paycut.

Have a little think about that when the inevitble industrial action happens.

truthflyer

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

No, they are being asked to put MORE of their own money in, pay the 1% levy and forego an agreed pay rise.

Thats a de facto 15% paycut.

Have a little think about that when the inevitble industrial action happens.

Roll on the industrial action you will get NO sympathy!

OhNoYouDidn't

truthflyer wrote: »

Roll on the industrial action you will get NO sympathy!

I'm private sector and I would 100% support industrial action here. It is an ill thought out punitive attack on a sector of the economy that did not cause this mess. They are willing to take their share - this is too much.

Cowen is out of his depth and anything that escalates his departure is ok with me.

djpbarry

deisebabe wrote: »

This country is in dire straights because of a combination of the overpaid civil servants and contractors as well as financing refugees that come here to take the p*ss.

I think this is the third post I have read recently in which refugees are being blamed for our current economic crisis. I’m not sure whether I should laugh or cry.

Zionist wrote: »

A fireman is overpaid, you must say that him when he is cutting you out of a car or saving your life.

A Garda is overpaid when he is tackling hardened criminals and risking his/her life.

A Solider is overpaid when he/she is in chad etc putting his life at risk or doing CIT in Ireland.

A Nurse is overpaid when they are helping you in a hospital,delivering your children or saving your life...

Do all public servants fall into one of the above categories? Do all firemen, Gardaí, soldiers and nurses perform their duties to the best of their abilities?

truthflyer

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

I'm private sector and I would 100% support industrial action here. It is an ill thought out punitive attack on a sector of the economy that did not cause this mess. They are willing to take their share - this is too much.

Cowen is out of his depth and anything that escalates his departure is ok with me.

Strike then, see if anybody cares.

You lot have burnt your bridges already.

The lack of "public services" would go largely unnoticed as you are so unproductive anyways

I just hope you don't get paid if you do strike but I expect you will as this government is spineless

guinnessdrinker

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

I'm private sector and I would 100% support industrial action here. It is an ill thought out punitive attack on a sector of the economy that did not cause this mess. They are willing to take their share - this is too much.

Cowen is out of his depth and anything that escalates his departure is ok with me.

I would agree with OhNoYouDidn't. While the public sector is far from perfect, they do seem to be made out as scapegoats for the failing of the economy at the moment. What about the construction and banking sectors and the failure of the governments actions?

While the money being paid by public sector workers is going into their pension, the way it is being done is like a pay cut. Many mortgages were secured on the basis of what they were earning and these mortgages and other bills still have to be paid but now with reduced weekly or monthly wages.

Plus, this will lead to reduced spending due to the reduction in wages which will have it's own knock on effects for the economy.

stevoman

truthflyer wrote: »

Roll on the industrial action you will get NO sympathy!

its not about sympathy is about pressure. the civil service could pull out social welfare in the morning and the unions funds could well afford to pay them for weeks and weeks along with what sympathy money would come from other departments.

OhNoYouDidn't

truthflyer wrote: »

Strike then, see if anybody cares.

You lot have burnt your bridges already.

The lack of "public services" would go largely unnoticed as you are so unproductive anyways

I just hope you don't get paid if you do strike but I expect you will as this government is spineless

Whats this 'you lot' business? I'm private sector. But i have sympathy for the public sector as they are shouldering the brunt of FF mismanagement of the crisis.

What are the bets you want overtime scrapped but still demand an immediate Garda response and improved waiting list times in A&E and see no contradiction.

Loving the idea of spineless FF in relation to the public sector this morning.....

Total incoherence truthflyer.

stevoman

truthflyer wrote: »

You lot have burnt your bridges already.

The lack of "public services" would go largely unnoticed as you are so unproductive anyways

how have public servants burnt their bridges? they are the ones being attacked by the goverment and media even though thet are humans with familys and lives and aspirations aswell.

a lot of them havnt had the chance of getting overtime and the perks the private sectors have for the last tens years. there are plenty of lower paid public servants across the boards.

and branding it all as just the public sector is ridiculous there are so many different departmets and jobs its ridiculous. a carpenter and a bank manager are private sector. hardly the same job criteria.

grahamo

truthflyer wrote: »

Strike then, see if anybody cares.

Are you 12? Of course people will care. EVERYONE will be affected.

truthflyer wrote: »

You lot have burnt your bridges already.

A lot of ordinary people I know have no beef with any public sector workers. It seems to be the people who grew up with everything handed to them on a plate that are the begrudgers!

truthflyer wrote: »

The lack of "public services" would go largely unnoticed as you are so unproductive anyways

:D You keep telling yourself that.

truthflyer wrote: »

I just hope you don't get paid if you do strike but I expect you will as this government is spineless

People that go on strike don't get paid! they are paid a small allowance by their Union. Anyone in the workforce long enough would know that!

DJDC

I'm private sector and I would 100% support industrial action here. It is an ill thought out punitive attack on a sector of the economy that did not cause this mess. They are willing to take their share - this is too much.

Cowen is out of his depth and anything that escalates his departure is ok with me.

Think carefully. The situation is very precarious for Ireland right now. If the public sector goes on a prolonged strike, the country will go bankrupt. ISEQ will collapse, credit rating will plunge and IMF will be called in to deal with situation. As we have seen from some comments in this thread, there will a rise in extreme right and left wing sentiments and country will become a basket case.

The country is in big trouble, by going on strike you are just going make it worse. Anyone with a bit of sense will realise that.

Boggle

If the public sector goes on a prolonged strike, the country will go bankrupt.

If the welfare office strike for one week we will have 300,000 unemployed people who cannot afford to feed themselves or their family and bankruptcy will be the last problem we will have. I have said it before but they say that a country is 3 missed meals away from revolt.

A bit of Dail burning would be fun though...:p

OhNoYouDidn't

DJDC wrote: »

Think carefully. The situation is very precarious for Ireland right now. If the public sector goes on a prolonged strike, the country will go bankrupt. ISEQ will collapse, credit rating will plunge and IMF will be called in to deal with situation. As we have seen from some comments in this thread, there will a rise in extreme right and left wing sentiments and country will become a basket case.

The country is in big trouble, by going on strike you are just going make it worse. Anyone with a bit of sense will realise that.

Fearmongering aside I don't think it will be prolonged or a strike. The two tactics I have heard mentioned from within the service are to withdraw all staff from ministers offices and not pay social welfare payments.

There will be action, but we are a long way from a general strike.

I stand over my belief that some short term pain is needed to remove FF from office before they make the mess outlined above.

truthflyer

grahamo wrote: »

Are you 12? Of course people will care. EVERYONE will be affected.

A lot of ordinary people I know have no beef with any public sector workers. It seems to be the people who grew up with everything handed to them on a plate that are the begrudgers!



:D You keep telling yourself that.



People that go on strike don't get paid! they are paid a small allowance by their Union. Anyone in the workforce long enough would know that!

1, I won't be one of them.
2. You need to get out more and hear public opinion, the public service is VERY unpopular.
3. Excellent news, I would hate to think I had to keep contributing to the spongers while they are sat around on their laurels, oh I almost forgot they normally are!

irish_bob

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

No, they are being asked to put MORE of their own money in, pay the 1% levy and forego an agreed pay rise.

Thats a de facto 15% paycut.

Have a little think about that when the inevitble industrial action happens.

do me a favour and let me know when you plan to strike , that way i can plan my trip to the local green grocer , he always has to throw out a percentage of rancid tomatoes

stevoman

truthflyer wrote: »

Excellent news, I would hate to think I had to keep contributing to the spongers while they are sat around on their laurels, oh I almost forgot they normally are!

you are prob the most ill informed person i have come across on the politics forum. your arguements are crap to be honest.

are you home sick from school today by any chance?

jmayo

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Fearmongering aside I don't think it will be prolonged or a strike. The two tactics I have heard mentioned from within the service are to withdraw all staff from ministers offices and not pay social welfare payments.

There will be action, but we are a long way from a general strike.

I stand over my belief that some short term pain is needed to remove FF from office before they make the mess outlined above.

As someone who works in the private sector I find it weird that you carry such a torch for the public sector ?
Do you mind me asking do you have partner, parents in public sector ?

I believe I have asked you and others with the same opinion, in other threads where will we get the money to keep paying the public sector wages and pensions ?
All I ever get back is :
- tax the rich private sector executives
- tax landlords
- tax develoeprs
or
- it is not the fault of public sector workers so why should they pay anything
- it is the fault of private sector banks so why should public sector pay to rescue them

The first three should be done but it still would not pay the huge public wage and pension bill.

The last two are true to an extent, but there are culprits in public sector who did very well out of our boom years and in fact did nothing to prevent the housing bubble. Not everyone in private sector is at fault either.

Do we decimate services (cra* as they often already are) that public sector provides to the public, just so that the public sector employees can enjoy their pensions, perks and high wages ?

Do we tax private sector enterprise out of existence altogether, do we increase income tax back to 60% ?

If we refuse to tackle the deficit and the public sector spend we will reach a time when we can not borrow anymore.
What do we do then when ECB and even worse the IMF arrive ?

A little question for public sector workers and people who see their entitlments as correct ...

You cannot pay the household bills, your family's income is not enough anymore.
Do you
a) continue to spend as normal doing nothing about problem (if might go away)
c) continue to spend as normal but borrow even more to pay the bills
b) go ahead and build that new extension with another credit union loan
d) give the kids an allowance increase, after all you promised them and they half clean their rooms now
e) cut back on all expenses to try and work your way out of it

Answers on a postcard to SIPTU, ICTU, IMPACT, NBU, etc

stevoman

irish_bob wrote: »

he always has to throw out a percentage of rancid tomatoes

why? so you can throw them at somewhon who makes 31K a year, has a mortgage and kids and partner cant find work and now has to take a 6% decrease along with the 1% levy out of their wages. fair play.

truthflyer

stevoman wrote: »

you are prob the most ill informed person i have come across on the politics forum. your arguements are crap to be honest.

are you home sick from school today by any chance?

Sounds like the truth hurts!!

And I for one am delighted........

truthflyer

stevoman wrote: »

why? so you can throw them at somewhon who makes 31K a year, has a mortgage and kids and partner cant find work and now has to take a 6% decrease along with the 1% levy out of their wages. fair play.

Yep, more or less!!

I am selling tickets to the event..........:p

stevoman

truthflyer wrote: »

Sounds like the truth hurts!!

well not exactly. im just putting forward the arguement for other public servants. Personally what i lose as a public servant i gain straight back on the family income supplement which i now qualify for. plus that also waves the 1% levy aswell. :cool:

OhNoYouDidn't

irish_bob wrote: »

do me a favour and let me know when you plan to strike , that way i can plan my trip to the local green grocer , he always has to throw out a percentage of rancid tomatoes

I WORK IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. How many times....

I must say, fair play to IBEC and the Indo, they have split the Irish workers in two. With worrying ease.