Anteposts bets for Cheltenham 2009

goonruby

ARKLE CHASE: Forpadydeplasterer Danger: Kalahari King
CHAMPION HURDLE: Brave Inca Danger: Sublimity
MARES HURDLE: Quevega Danger: United
SUPREME NOV HRD: Cousin Vinny Danger: Master of Arts
BALLY NOV HRD: Mikael Dhaguenet Danger: Karabak
CHAM CHASE: Master Minded Danger: Well Chief
CHAM BUMPER: Cadspeed/Liss na Tintri Danger: Bellvano
RYANAIR CHASE: Tidal Bay Danger: Noland
WORLD HURDLE: Big Bucks Danger: Powerstation
A BARTLET NOV HRD: Pandorama Danger: Pride of Dulcote
FOXHUNTERS CHASE: Freneys Well Danger: Ofarel Dairy
GOLD CUP: Kauto Star NB Danger: Denman
TRIUMPH HRD: Jumbo Rio NAP Danger: Ebadiyan

Any views?? maybe Im a small bit optimistic on the number of Irish trained winners!!:D

Warper

I have backed 3 so far and i think the bookies are giving nothing away on their antepost prices. I prob. wont be doing anymore bets on Chel. until the day itself or horses are confirmed for races.

My 3:

Supreme Novice - Ainama 14-1
Kauto Star - Gold Cup 11-4
Western Charmer - Ballymore Hurdle - 50-1

goonruby

like the price of Western Charmer and has a good chance if he runs in the race.. Well spotted

stuttgartkelly

Ebadiyan is my only ante-post bet thus far for the Triumph Hurdle.

Your NAP, Jumbo Rio did beat him at Punchestown, but if you watch the race, he was given an awful ride that day and imo would have won if he was ridden at all more positively. He was the only one staying on at the finish. And he has undoubtedly even come on from that run and hopefully we'll see the Legend of Irish racing in the winners enclosure in Cheltenham, Oliver Brady!:D

Forpady is not going to win the Arkle. Bank on it. He's more suited to a strong run 2 and a half miler and may even run in the RSA in the festival if the ground turns up good. His jumping is questionable and you need a very sound jumper to win the Arkle. He's running in the 2m5f NOvice Chase in Leop on Sunday by the way

Diggy78

Goonruby, powerstation as the danger in the World hurdle, I have to say I can't see that, seems a little out of left field. Probably because I'm all over kasbah Bliss in the race as my main bet for Chelt.

Bluetonic

Diggy78 wrote: »

Goonruby, powerstation as the danger in the World hurdle, I have to say I can't see that, seems a little out of left field. Probably because I'm all over kasbah Bliss in the race as my main bet for Chelt.

Goonruby is not alone in his thoughts that Powerstation has chances (maybe not main danger though).

Bluetonic

Won't be having any ante post bets as prefer to wait for the markets to mature a little more, but one of the NAPs of the meeting has to be L'Ami in the Cross Country (currently @ 4/1). Should carry less than Garde Champetre and is in flying form now settled with Bolger, was much between them in December and I think L'Ami will have come on a lot from last Sundays win.

corny

Can't really see Brave Inca having a chance unless the ground was quite bad and even then i think i'd prefer others. A few of your horses are ground dependent. Kalahari King needs good ground and Kauto Star will be second again if the ground is like last year (assuming Denmans ok of course).

I think the time has come in anyway to wait till non runner no bet because the Ante Post markets are well formed by this stage. Unless of course you have good insider info.

Diggy78

Hey Bluetonic, I think you're right, L'ami has to hav an excellent chance. Do you know why he's the only one quoted though?? Seems a bit odd. I think I'll back whichever of the 2 is the longest price as there shouldn't be that much between them. Either way I dont expect either of them to be bigger than 3's come March.

Famous45

Ebadiyan is my only ante-post bet thus far for the Triumph Hurdle

Likewise here. Can't see past this one.

premierstone

Famous45 wrote: »

Likewise here. Can't see past this one.

While I think he has a good chance to say you cant see past it in a Triumph Hurdle is a bit OTT

Moscow Flyer

Champion hurlde Binocular
Champion chase Master Minded
Gold Cup Denman

9.17 to 1 treble with Paddy Power. If you do it each way you will cover your bet

Diggy78

Moscow Flyer wrote: »

Champion hurlde Binocular
Champion chase Master Minded
Gold Cup Denman

9.17 to 1 treble with Paddy Power. If you do it each way you will cover your bet

I like the bet Moscow, (heart over head still saying Kauto , unfortunately heart usually wins with me). To be honest I wouldn't even consider it each way though as I think one of the more likely ways it wouldn't happen would be a fall.

Bluetonic

Moscow Flyer wrote: »

Champion hurlde Binocular
Champion chase Master Minded
Gold Cup Denman

9.17 to 1 treble with Paddy Power. If you do it each way you will cover your bet

The thing is there you've got three horses who are likely to either bolt up or be nowhere. I'm not sure the place side of the bet gives you any value, if anything just attempt to cover it by place betting on KS.

Just to expand on this, Masterminded at 1/3 (1/4) i.e 0.0825 in an accum is no value when you consider the risk.

Bluetonic

Diggy78 wrote: »

Hey Bluetonic, I think you're right, L'ami has to hav an excellent chance. Do you know why he's the only one quoted though??

Coral are the only ones with a market, albeit with L'Ami the only one in it.

They only opened a market on Monday after the Punchestown win Sunday so I'd imagine someone asked for a price and they just priced him up. I don't think they are sponsoring it.

Not sure if it's an early closing race, or when the declarations open.

Warper

Moscow Flyer wrote: »

Champion hurlde Binocular
Champion chase Master Minded
Gold Cup Denman

9.17 to 1 treble with Paddy Power. If you do it each way you will cover your bet

Dont like it at all - picking the 3 winners of the 3 Main Races at Cheltenham. Binocular has to be one of the worst prices at the festival, while he might very well win, the horse has to be a lay simply because of his price, I mean he's going off shorter than Istabraq?? Its the Champion Hurdle, its all well and good beating donkeys on dodgy ground but the Champion Hurdle is a true Group 1. If the ground comes up good Sublimity @ 16 to 1 would look massive.

Master Minded is simply class in the worst bunch of 2 milers i have ever seen, I mean Big Zeb is second fav - says it all but in saying that i am not backing a 1-3 shot at Cheltenham.

Denman, a horse that hasnt raced since the Gold Cup last year is another class horse but you would be mad to back it now. I am always wary of a horse that is laid off for so long. The ground suited him last year and it didnt suit Kauto Star. I think it is closer than people think between the 2, remember last year Walsh/Nicholls could not see Kauto getting beaten and at 3-1 with no injury worries is a safer bet. Of course Kauto would it not want it soft but Denman might not even get there, i mean what was the National entry all about?

All in all i would steer clear of the bet and to suggest backing it e/w or backing Kauto for a place? for cover?

NewApproach

goonruby wrote: »

ARKLE CHASE: Forpadydeplasterer Danger: Kalahari King Cant argue with any of these, still think Kalahari King needs to improve even though he obviously keeps a bit for himself in his races. Forpadydeplasterer is a huge price imo, the fast pace and goodish ground at chelt should suit him to a tee.
CHAMPION HURDLE: Brave Inca Danger: Sublimity It would take a brave man to lay the inca at 25/1 or whatever price he is. Obviously Binocular will take some beating but is a ridic price. Osana caught the eye for me the last day, but 10s is a tight enough price I think.
MARES HURDLE: Quevega Danger: United
SUPREME NOV HRD: Cousin Vinny Danger: Master of Arts Must admit I cant see past Hurricane Fly in this. Also I would rate Cousin Vinny odds against to run in this...
BALLY NOV HRD: Mikael Dhaguenet Danger: Karabak Diamond Harry has impressed me all along. Mikael will need it soft to travel.
CHAM CHASE: Master Minded Danger: Well Chief 'Nuff said
CHAM BUMPER: Cadspeed/Liss na Tintri Danger: Bellvano No solid opinion on the race to be hinest
RYANAIR CHASE: Tidal Bay Danger: Noland Noland for me, trip/ground/course should suit. Tidal Bay has been disappointing this season for me and I cant have him until he shows he is back in top form.
WORLD HURDLE: Big Bucks Danger: Powerstation Kasbah Bliss, but I would be inclined to wait for the day. He is unlikely to get much shorter, while connections seem only half hearted at the idea at the minute (more talk of Ascot recently than a cheltenham prep.)
A BARTLET NOV HRD: Pandorama Danger: Pride of Dulcote No idea, will wait until the field becomes clearer.
FOXHUNTERS CHASE: Freneys Well Danger: Ofarel Dairy I'll take your word for it lol!
GOLD CUP: Kauto Star NB Danger: Denman Denman, assuming he gets fit and well. Something has always told me that Kauto is about a stone a worse horse round Cheltenham than a more conventional speed orientated flat track, and I have yet to see anything to make me disbelieve it.
TRIUMPH HRD: Jumbo Rio NAP Danger: Ebadiyan Jumbo Rio is interesting alright, though considering he has a maiden run left in him now, any chance he could end up elsewhere? Be it the h'cap or at Punchestown/Aintree etc...

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mdwexford

Bluetonic wrote: »

Coral are the only ones with a market, albeit with L'Ami the only one in it.

They only opened a market on Monday after the Punchestown win Sunday so I'd imagine someone asked for a price and they just priced him up. I don't think they are sponsoring it.

Not sure if it's an early closing race, or when the declarations open.

Cashmans have a market also

L'ami 7/2
Garde Champetre 4/1
Dix Villez 7/1

and a couple of others.

Warper wrote: »

Dont like it at all - picking the 3 winners of the 3 Main Races at Cheltenham. Binocular has to be one of the worst prices at the festival, while he might very well win, the horse has to be a lay simply because of his price, I mean he's going off shorter than Istabraq?? Its the Champion Hurdle, its all well and good beating donkeys on dodgy ground but the Champion Hurdle is a true Group 1. If the ground comes up good Sublimity @ 16 to 1 would look massive.

Master Minded is simply class in the worst bunch of 2 milers i have ever seen, I mean Big Zeb is second fav - says it all but in saying that i am not backing a 1-3 shot at Cheltenham.

Denman, a horse that hasnt raced since the Gold Cup last year is another class horse but you would be mad to back it now. I am always wary of a horse that is laid off for so long. The ground suited him last year and it didnt suit Kauto Star. I think it is closer than people think between the 2, remember last year Walsh/Nicholls could not see Kauto getting beaten and at 3-1 with no injury worries is a safer bet. Of course Kauto would it not want it soft but Denman might not even get there, i mean what was the National entry all about?

All in all i would steer clear of the bet and to suggest backing it e/w or backing Kauto for a place? for cover?

Shorter than Istabraq when, only his first Champion Hurdle did he go off bigger than 6/4 (bar the pull up year obv).

How do you make out he beaten donkeys? He's beaten Celestial Halo, Katchit and Crack Away Jack who are the 3rd, 4th and 5th favourites for the race, plus Celestial Halo has franked the form by beating the 2nd fav Osana. Exactly what wonder horses we havent heard about are going to appear at Cheltenham to spoil the party.

Also your bad ground point holds no sway as he is better on better ground. The fast pace and bigger field is going to play right to Binocular's strengths imo.

The only possible dangers are a top of their game Sizing Europe and possibly Sublimity but both have a lot to prove now. I agree Sublimity could run well on a good surface though.


People have to remember Denman wasnt actually injured, it was a heart problem which apparently in now totally sorted. Ive always been a Kauto Star supporter and the ground and the run of the race went Denmans way last year. Not to take anything away from him but KS travelled flat and jumped badly in the Gold Cup, depending on the Aon, ground and Ruby's choice i could still go either way this year.

Warper

mdwexford wrote: »

Cashmans have a market also

L'ami 7/2
Garde Champetre 4/1
Dix Villez 7/1

and a couple of others.



Shorter than Istabraq when, only his first Champion Hurdle did he go off bigger than 6/4 (bar the pull up year obv).

How do you make out he beaten donkeys? He's beaten Celestial Halo, Katchit and Crack Away Jack who are the 3rd, 4th and 5th favourites for the race, plus Celestial Halo has franked the form by beating the 2nd fav Osana. Exactly what wonder horses we havent heard about are going to appear at Cheltenham to spoil the party.

Also your bad ground point holds no sway as he is better on better ground. The fast pace and bigger field is going to play right to Binocular's strengths imo.

The only possible dangers are a top of their game Sizing Europe and possibly Sublimity but both have a lot to prove now. I agree Sublimity could run well on a good surface though.


People have to remember Denman wasnt actually injured, it was a heart problem which apparently in now totally sorted. Ive always been a Kauto Star supporter and the ground and the run of the race went Denmans way last year. Not to take anything away from him but KS travelled flat and jumped badly in the Gold Cup, depending on the Aon, ground and Ruby's choice i could still go either way this year.

Ok maybe i phrased it wrong, you are right these horses are not donkeys but these horses are primarily being aimed at Cheltenham, you can ignore a lot of their form coming into the race. Katchit is coming into the race with the same type of season he had last year, Osana is only after 1 race in which he wasn't 100%, basically all the horses he beat will be in much better shape at Cheltenham, of course so should Binocular. I see some bookies have him @ 1/1, man the bookies will be laughing their heads off if he gets beat.

There are just too many things that can go wrong in a Champion Hurdle and i will say it again he got beat at the festival last year. This is one horse i am not going to touch. Cheltenham Bismarck.

meriwether

Ok maybe i phrased it wrong, you are right these horses are not donkeys but these horses are primarily being aimed at Cheltenham, you can ignore a lot of their form coming into the race. Katchit is coming into the race with the same type of season he had last year, Osana is only after 1 race in which he wasn't 100%, basically all the horses he beat will be in much better shape at Cheltenham, of course so should Binocular. I see some bookies have him @ 1/1, man the bookies will be laughing their heads off if he gets beat.

There are just too many things that can go wrong in a Champion Hurdle and i will say it again he got beat at the festival last year. This is one horse i am not going to touch. Cheltenham Bismarck.

I presume Binocular is primarily being aimed at Cheltenham also. I would imagine that JP's and hendersons horizons extent a little further than Ascot in November, wouldn't you think?
So why cant Binocular be in further better shape come the big day?

and i will say it again he got beat at the festival last year

At the age of 4, in a Supreme Novices.

Warper

"but he was then the stronger of the pair up the hill and won convincingly enough in the end"

This is the Racing Post's description of last years Supreme Novice Hurdle between Captain Cee Bee and Binocular.

meriwether

Warper wrote: »

"but he was then the stronger of the pair up the hill and won convincingly enough in the end"

This is the Racing Post's description of last years Supreme Novice Hurdle between Captain Cee Bee and Binocular.

Yes. So?

I know he was beaten last year. I saw the race.

My contention is that he has improved, from age 4-5.

There's sod all point quoting me chapter and verse about last years race. I know. I saw it.

Warper

The point being he was caught out up the hill last year and i'm not taking 6-4 that he won't be found again this year - youre entitled to your opinion as i am mine.

Good ground - Sublimity FTW

Diggy78

Warper wrote: »

The point being he was caught out up the hill last year and i'm not taking 6-4 that he won't be found again this year - youre entitled to your opinion as i am mine.

Good ground - Sublimity FTW

I know the hill can catch out quite a few horses but I think Binocular has been ridden a little differently since last years Supreme Novice. He's been held up a little more. McCoy was criticised for kicking too early (I know, surely very unMcCoy like :P) in last years Supreme. I'm glad he did because I was on Captain Cee Bee last year, but I think the holding up tactics will help him no end again.

corny

Both sides of the argument are true. Binocular is the most likely winner of the race but theres no way he's an evens-6/4 chance. Take Sizing Europe last year. Did nothing wrong, posted the single best 2 mile performance last year in the Irish Champion, went off 2/1 fav and finished second last. A slightly exaggerated point perhaps given his injury but nevertheless a five year old whose never won at Cheltenham at evens? From a purely prudent betting perspective? No thanks.

lospinos

an ante-post potential bet. i've heard it being discussed that exotic dancer may run in the ryanair chase. if so he is a screaming bet at 14-15/1 antepost. if he runs in the race i couldn't see him being beaten. he loves the course and has winning form at the course/distance. he impressed me hugely the day of the lexus in lep. he was a picture in the parade ring and ran impressively.
you are of course taking a chance he may run in the gold cup. chances of this may have increased due to denmans lacklustre run today, they may decide to have one last crack at kauto.
but the fact that it is being discussed and the seeming willingness of mccoy to consider riding denman and getting off exotic makes the likelihood seem plausible.
anyway at 14-15/1 worth a few speculative eurs.

RichieLawlor

lospinos wrote: »

an ante-post potential bet. i've heard it being discussed that exotic dancer may run in the ryanair chase. if so he is a screaming bet at 14-15/1 antepost. if he runs in the race i couldn't see him being beaten. he loves the course and has winning form at the course/distance. he impressed me hugely the day of the lexus in lep. he was a picture in the parade ring and ran impressively.
you are of course taking a chance he may run in the gold cup. chances of this may have increased due to denmans lacklustre run today, they may decide to have one last crack at kauto.
but the fact that it is being discussed and the seeming willingness of mccoy to consider riding denman and getting off exotic makes the likelihood seem plausible.
anyway at 14-15/1 worth a few speculative eurs.

Exotic Dancer will definitly run in the gold cup. 100%, The owner Sir Robert Ogden already has the antepost favourite for the ryanair and even more so because of Denman dissapointing run yesterday.

handsomecake

breeds breeze in the royal and sun alliance.ive smashed into him. 50 on the nose at 8/1

Colonel Sanders

handsomecake wrote: »

breeds breeze in the royal and sun alliance.ive smashed into him. 50 on the nose at 8/1

20/1 on betfair. Also trainer didn't sound like he planned to run it when he won at xmas

BREEDSBREEZE was unproven over a trip this far under rules (he did win a 3m point-to-point), but as it turned out he saw his race out best of all, obviously aided by a much better jumping display than his rivals, and he made it three from three over fences.

However, for all that this was a good, determined effort, it would probably be unwise to get carried away, and at this stage he makes limited appeal for the Royal & SunAlliance Chase, for which he is now favourite at odds ranging from 6-1 and 10-1. For a start, Paul Nicholls suggested he might be best suited by flat tracks, and this form will also need improving on, as he had to work hard to see off a rival who plainly did not get home.

Whatever the case, his trainer is keen to keep him fresh, and if he hasa run before Cheltenham it is likely to be in the Scilly Isles Chase at Sandown.

corny

lospinos wrote: »

an ante-post potential bet. i've heard it being discussed that exotic dancer may run in the ryanair chase. if so he is a screaming bet at 14-15/1 antepost. if he runs in the race i couldn't see him being beaten. he loves the course and has winning form at the course/distance. he impressed me hugely the day of the lexus in lep. he was a picture in the parade ring and ran impressively.
you are of course taking a chance he may run in the gold cup. chances of this may have increased due to denmans lacklustre run today, they may decide to have one last crack at kauto.
but the fact that it is being discussed and the seeming willingness of mccoy to consider riding denman and getting off exotic makes the likelihood seem plausible.
anyway at 14-15/1 worth a few speculative eurs.

I actually think Exotic Dancer is a standout bet for the Gold Cup (He won't run in the Ryanair even if VPU doesn't run i think). What you getting 12's-14's. Paul Nicholls sounded unbelievably downbeat about Denman last week. Kauto Star is the obvious hurdle but i've always thought if there was one race ES might win against KS, it was the Gold Cup. Decent EW.

starchild

I have 50 e/w on Brave Inca @ 33/1 for the champion

binocular deserves to be favourite, i would not take him at the prices offered as just to low given the abilities of sublimity brave inca and katchit. These are cracking horses who on the day can produce a killer performance.

I went for brave inca as the odds for possibly the toughest hurdler in training are i think very very good. I know the ground is a big one but with any thing near his favourite surface i cant see him not running into a place

famagusta

hi, long time reader first time poster.

i was wondering what ye all thought about the champion bumper. i was very impressed with Dunguib in navan and i have a sizable bet on him at the moment.
will Quinola des obeaux and quel esprit both be travelling over from the mullins yard?

premierstone

famagusta wrote: »

hi, long time reader first time poster.

i was wondering what ye all thought about the champion bumper. i was very impressed with Dunguib in navan and i have a sizable bet on him at the moment.
will Quinola des obeaux and quel esprit both be travelling over from the mullins yard?

Yeah Dunquib was very impressive and if it was trained by Mullins would be very short priced fav, but in fairness you cant look beyond Mullins and in his Racing Post stable guide a few weeks back he said he still has 3 or 4 horses that he likes for the bumper that havent seen the racecourse yet so really i think its not a race to be have an AP bet on, too many questions still to be answered

bit of a bogey

At the moment its hard to look past Mullins for the bumper. He's eating them up! What does anyone think of the jockey selection for the Mullins bumper team? Can we read into it? I know we wont know whos riding what till closer to the time but will Ruby be on the strongest? We're usually inclined to believe that Ruby has the choice but I wouldnt be absolutly certain. I dont trust Willie Mullins a whole lot or any of the Mullins for that matter. I dont think his right hand lets his left hand know what hes doin! Could Townend or the son Paddy be on the top one?

Just wondering what anyone thinks.
(I'll probally end up backing whichever Ruby rides for Mullins in the bumper)!

conZ

Have a look at the result of last years Bumper, see who was on the winner, and check the date the winner first ran on.

bit of a bogey

conZ wrote: »

Have a look at the result of last years Bumper, see who was on the winner, and check the date the winner first ran on.

I know patrick mullins rode the winner last year. Thats why I pose the question. Did ruby get it wrong last year or was he not informed correctly? Its always said that ruby gets first choice but was that the case last year? Did willie mullins just want his son to get a winner at cheltenham or did he too get it wrong?

All I know was that I got a serious tip from a friend in cheltenham the morning of that race. He was told Paddy was on the best in the yard and it would take a hell of a horse to beat him! Will the son paddy be given another cheltenham winner this year? We all know ruby's the better jockey!

I'd just like to hear if anyone has an opinion cause the champion bumper has a Mullins horse wrote all over it. Even more so that usuall! The amunition this year is unbelievable! It is a real possibility that the best horse in the yard hasnt even ran yet!

famagusta

sicilian secret is the new fav now after yesterday, going by what mullins did last year he could be the answer

Bluetonic

famagusta wrote: »

sicilian secret is the new fav now after yesterday

His favoritism is more to do with Mullins confirming in public that he's going to Cheltenham, it's all still up in the air which his best will be.

MrDap

Song Of Songs - was a classy hurdler last year and ran a nice comeback race last time out,he is due to run on Thursday and if they can get this fella handicapped in time he looks one for the Jewson which connections have won before.

Themoonandsixpence - is a decent horse with some good form to his credit but needs better ground to be seen in better light. He has been running on heavy all season but has got a very attractive handicap mark as a result. If he was to turn up at the festival off a bottom weight in one of the handicaps he could be a super bet.

Naiad Du Misselot - Won the ultra competitive Coral Cup last yearand arrives at the festival this year of a very similar mark. His trainer has a very impressive strike rate with his chasers at the festival and I don't think he's let up the handbrake off this lad all year so god knows what he has up his sleeve. He's another to look out for in one of the handicaps of a nice weight.

henrythenavigat

I can't see kauto star been challenged for the gold cup and at 6/4 its not a bad price.

Frazzled

henrythenavigat wrote: »

I can't see kauto star been challenged for the gold cup and at 6/4 its not a bad price.

Each to their own, but I cannot have Kauto at such short odds.

He won a slowly run Gold Cup two years ago and for me, he still has serious stamina doubts. Very impressive in the King George as he was the previous year, but that was a completely different test to what he will face in March. His form left handed has not been anything like the same since he won tyhe Betfair chase 2 years ago.

There will be loads of pace in this race and horses such as Notre Pere will ensure that this is a searching test of stamina. I am firmly of the opinion that he will not stay this trip in a strongly run race and would not back him if he was 5/2 (although maybe for a free trade!)

supremenovice

CHAMPION HURDLE: Sublimity at 18/1

WORLD HURDLE: Petitfour at 100/1

CHAMPION CHASE: Twist Magic at 25/1

RSA: Masssinis Maguire at 16/1

Bluetonic

Bit of a cryptic one here but Aggies Lad in whatever race they decide to run it in (declared for two tomorrow), bound to be shorter if it's let win tomorrow in Fairyhouse :rolleyes:

Whyno

Binocular = steering job....Horse is a machine and none of the irish will get close. Celestial halo will try go from the front but will be cooked before the last as tony lets the new champion to be loose on the run up the hill. The irish will be lucky to have a horse in the first 3 on all recent form.

Master minded is a cert. Well chief and big Zeb will fight it out for second. Big Zeb is a tank of a horse and is the best new prospect on the irish chasing scene.The only problem wit him is he`s a headcase and has no respect for whats in front of him. On better ground in a fast run race he`ll be a cert for a place in the CC and even wit a mishap wit MM could nick it. Well Chief is an enigma and a horse i follwed since he first ran in England.I`d love ta see him come back to his best form but this is the heart speakin and not the mind.

Denman didnt look half the horse he was of the the last 2/3 years. He didnt show the sparkle of his debut in the hennessey and didnt pull like the tank he normally is. Their has to be question marks whether the heart scare is in the horses head and how much that performance in winning the gold cup last year was. It was scintillatin and made Kauto Star look flat and made that athletic jumper look sloppy.
Kauto really is the real deal. Like come on, how many top class performances has he put in when the chips are down. The only time it looked like he failed was when runner up last year. This was clearly only due to Denmans powerful performance.
As for Kauto not stayin the trip thats a laughable joke. Get wit it, this horse stays every yard of the trip. The year he won the gold cup he beat Exotic dancer easily again. Ran away from him up the hill. No stamina issues wit KS and at 6/4 wit doubts over his main rival and havin beaten almost everythin else in the race with ease Kauto will regain his crown. I reckon Paul Nicholls may well have the 123 again in this.

Willie Mullins has some ammunition for the bumper and whatever the money comes for will be the one i`m on.

Wext end rocker is my bet for the 4 miler.Has been laid out for this and will love every yard of it.

Cousin Vinny owes me a fortune after the other tool falling off him last sunday but the fact remains that he is a machine and i cant see what can beat him. The only problem is the jockey. How ruby can be left to sit on the side line is a joke when it comes to the pinacle of jumps racing.
Hurricane Fly has now got some doubts over it due to being lame recently but again if turns up in peak form will go oh so close.
Zaynar is a tank and in the same mould as detroit city and will win the triumph. This race is ran at 5f speed and will suit him down to the ground and we`ll barry geraghty on the big grey tankin up the hill clear of the field.
Voy por Ustedes will be hard beaten in the ryanair especially as he really peaks at this time of year.
I still reckon Punchestowns will win the world hurdle. Kasbah Bliss was mighty impressive last weekend but i just feel nicky has kept a good bit up his sleeve and this horse is one he thinks the world of will be produced in peak for for the big day and will win.

tis just my two cents......

culline

Whyno wrote: »

Binocular = steering job....Horse is a machine and none of the irish will get close. Celestial halo will try go from the front but will be cooked before the last as tony lets the new champion to be loose on the run up the hill. The irish will be lucky to have a horse in the first 3 on all recent form.

Master minded is a cert. Well chief and big Zeb will fight it out for second. Big Zeb is a tank of a horse and is the best new prospect on the irish chasing scene.The only problem wit him is he`s a headcase and has no respect for whats in front of him. On better ground in a fast run race he`ll be a cert for a place in the CC and even wit a mishap wit MM could nick it. Well Chief is an enigma and a horse i follwed since he first ran in England.I`d love ta see him come back to his best form but this is the heart speakin and not the mind.

Denman didnt look half the horse he was of the the last 2/3 years. He didnt show the sparkle of his debut in the hennessey and didnt pull like the tank he normally is. Their has to be question marks whether the heart scare is in the horses head and how much that performance in winning the gold cup last year was. It was scintillatin and made Kauto Star look flat and made that athletic jumper look sloppy.
Kauto really is the real deal. Like come on, how many top class performances has he put in when the chips are down. The only time it looked like he failed was when runner up last year. This was clearly only due to Denmans powerful performance.
As for Kauto not stayin the trip thats a laughable joke. Get wit it, this horse stays every yard of the trip. The year he won the gold cup he beat Exotic dancer easily again. Ran away from him up the hill. No stamina issues wit KS and at 6/4 wit doubts over his main rival and havin beaten almost everythin else in the race with ease Kauto will regain his crown. I reckon Paul Nicholls may well have the 123 again in this.

Willie Mullins has some ammunition for the bumper and whatever the money comes for will be the one i`m on.

Wext end rocker is my bet for the 4 miler.Has been laid out for this and will love every yard of it.

Cousin Vinny owes me a fortune after the other tool falling off him last sunday but the fact remains that he is a machine and i cant see what can beat him. The only problem is the jockey. How ruby can be left to sit on the side line is a joke when it comes to the pinacle of jumps racing.
Hurricane Fly has now got some doubts over it due to being lame recently but again if turns up in peak form will go oh so close.
Zaynar is a tank and in the same mould as detroit city and will win the triumph. This race is ran at 5f speed and will suit him down to the ground and we`ll barry geraghty on the big grey tankin up the hill clear of the field.
Voy por Ustedes will be hard beaten in the ryanair especially as he really peaks at this time of year.
I still reckon Punchestowns will win the world hurdle. Kasbah Bliss was mighty impressive last weekend but i just feel nicky has kept a good bit up his sleeve and this horse is one he thinks the world of will be produced in peak for for the big day and will win.

tis just my two cents......

honestly, I completely agree with with all your selections whyno,good read!binocular is my nap,have him at nice prices.no way he'll lose...and thats not my money talking!

wb

Bluetonic wrote: »

Bit of a cryptic one here but Aggies Lad in whatever race they decide to run it in (declared for two tomorrow), bound to be shorter if it's let win tomorrow in Fairyhouse :rolleyes:

Something funny going on with that yard - he hasn't had a winner in 2009 as yet, despite sending 45 horses to post. I was going to back Aggies Lad tomorrow but just cant put the money down with those stats in mind.

meriwether

supremenovice wrote: »

CHAMPION HURDLE: Sublimity at 18/1

WORLD HURDLE: Petitfour at 100/1

CHAMPION CHASE: Twist Magic at 25/1

RSA: Masssinis Maguire at 16/1

I like your style.

Sublimity is playing for a place behind Binocular, but will be placed.

Pettifour, intriguing. I think I started a thread about him a while back. I thought he was a good e/w shot when he was 16's. This was after he tangled with Mobaasher giving weight away. He then ran a stinker in one of the long distance hurdles. However Twiston was at the height of his low spell.

He seems to be coming back now - Baby Run was second and first in his two recent outings, and Ollie Magern ran well today in the big chase.

I'm on Punchestowns, but Ive considered an e/w on Pett @ approx 33/1.
I'd like to have your 100/1.

Twist Magic..........most interesting. He was going awfully well when MasterMinded won the VC (I think) before he fell. He would have been second.
In reality, behind Masterminded in the betting, the standard is poor.......very poor indeed. Could easily get a place. However is there an issue with how he acts at Cheltenham?

Massini's.........I've kept an eye on him this year. Cant get his noggin in front, but has excuses every time - and a past C'ham wonner of the 2-5 novice hurdle.

Nice choices, personally I love an Antepost e/w shot at big odds myself.

henrythenavigat

Cheltenham Lucky 15:

Binocular 11-8
Master Minded 1-3
Kauto Star 7-4
Carruthers 8-1 (NAP)

€10 lucky 15=€2900

Diggy78

I hope I'm wrong but something is in my head about the connections of Carruthers want to wait for Aintree. I like the other 3 but would be more inclined to do a Yankee at the prices. Hate having 3 tenner singles on at 1-3, 11-8 and 7-4. Best of luck with the bet, I've a Yankee done on Master Minded, Voy Por, Binocular and Kasah Bliss.

mdwexford

Even yankees are stupid at those prices, straight up acca, grow a set you girls

Diggy78

you're prob right mdwexford, I have Voy Por at 4's and Kasbah at 10-3, but you're still prob right. Although Binocular might be bigger now since I put that on, haha