Low carb ideas

Vampireskiss

I have lost 15lbs in 5 weeks on my current diet which is basically 40/40/20 carbs/protein/fats eating 6 meals a day weightloss has begun to slow so Im giving a though to going on a lowcarb diet but I cant think of snack ideas and resort to using too much protein powder heres an example I would appreciate some wholefood ideas for meals 2 and meals 6

7.30 veg omelete little cheese and 2 fish oils caps

10.30 2 scoops of milk protein blend ser of greens plus and 2 fish oil caps

1.30 lots of veg lean mince and peanut sauce stirfry and 2 fish oil caps

4.00 preworkout whey isolate shake and creatine and l-glutamine and ser of bcaas
5.00 post workout whey isolate shake and creatine and l-gultamine and ser of bcaas

7.00 dinner salmon or chicken and lots of veg

9.30 2 scoops of milk protein blend greens plus and 2 fish oils caps

Vampireskiss

Anyone have any ideas?

gaherne

too many shakes man,

you looking at the following
7 meals a day.
do this diet for
meal 1 2 full eggs and 8 egg whites ommlette

meal 2 2 scoops of whey 16g of fish oil tabs

meal 3 7oz chicken breast and 2 tbs peanut butter

meal 4 2 scoops of whey 16g of fish oils

meal 5 beef or white fish and veg 1tbs of olive oil

meal 6 7oz chicken breast and veg , 1tbs olive oil

meal 7 7oz chicken or a shake ( if shake eat a little veg) 16g of fish oil


the shakes really just run right through you.

The veg can be any green veg. Take some coral calcium and 2000mg of evening primrose oil.

Do this monday to saturday and eat what ever you want on Sunday(take away , chocolate)

You should do 45 mins cardio 5 times a week keeping heart rate be 120-130bpm

cmyk

gaherne wrote: »

too many shakes man,

you looking at the following
7 meals a day.
do this diet for
meal 1 2 full eggs and 8 egg whites ommlette

meal 2 2 scoops of whey 16g of fish oil tabs

meal 3 7oz chicken breast and 2 tbs peanut butter

meal 4 2 scoops of whey 16g of fish oils

meal 5 beef or white fish and veg 1tbs of olive oil

meal 6 7oz chicken breast and veg , 1tbs olive oil

meal 7 7oz chicken or a shake ( if shake eat a little veg) 16g of fish oil


the shakes really just run right through you.

You told him too many shakes, and then included 4 scoops in two shakes and possibly a third per day in your diet????

cmyk

One of my favourites is to cut open (butterfly) 2 chicken breasts, stuff them with a little peanut butter (unsweetened/unsalted) wrap in tin foil, put on baking tray with assortment of chopped parsnip, carrot, sweet potato, bake all for 20-25mins, serve with dollop of cottage cheese.

gaherne

your looking at getting 50g of protein per meal


which means 2 scoops

cmyk

gaherne wrote: »

your looking at getting 50g of protein per meal


which means 2 scoops

Just roughly adding the amount of protein in what you posted comes to, at the very least 300g of protein, so absolutely no need for the shakes? Unless the OP is about 18-20stone?

billyhead

That revised diet would be more suited to gaining weight rather then what the OP wants to do

Transform

training program?

Degsy

Vampireskiss wrote: »

Anyone have any ideas?

yeah.
Join a gym and half your calorific intake.Whats with all the shakes anyway?

VIS VIRES

Whats your program like??Why are you taking creatine???

celestial

NO need for shakes - none whatsoever. If you are a fair bit overweight don't over-complicate things, everything you need to do you have heard at one stage or another - cut the junk, up the activity, for carbs choose wholegrain, keep exercising regularly and it really is as simple as that. Hundreds of millions of people around the world have lost loads of weight doing it!

It is when you are trying to lose the last bit of fat from around your mid-section that you need to start looking at the fine details - not at this stage. You also don't need 7 meals a day. Try this:

Breakfast
Mid-morn snack (only if hungry)
Lunch
Mid-afo snack (only if hungry)
Dinner

BossArky

Vampireskiss wrote: »

Anyone have any ideas?

Eat sensibly (read the stickies, drop the shakes - you are trying to loose weight)

Exercise more.

Degsy

When you're 20 stone i dont know whey you'd eat like somebody trying to gain weight.

He's been told all this before,its becoming a bit of a joke at this stage.

Money Shot

Vampireskiss wrote: »

7.30 veg omelete little cheese and 2 fish oils caps

10.30 2 scoops of milk protein blend ser of greens plus and 2 fish oil caps

1.30 lots of veg lean mince and peanut sauce stirfry and 2 fish oil caps

4.00 preworkout whey isolate shake and creatine and l-glutamine and ser of bcaas
5.00 post workout whey isolate shake and creatine and l-gultamine and ser of bcaas

7.00 dinner salmon or chicken and lots of veg

9.30 2 scoops of milk protein blend greens plus and 2 fish oils caps

That is a very strange diet for someone trying to loose significant weight - it's more like a diet that a body 'builder' would be following. I'd ditch all your fancy supps for starters and concentrate on getting active (burning more calories).
I'd feel bad critiscising your diet too much as it seems to have been put together so precisely through months of intensive internet research.

Degsy

Money Shot wrote: »

That is a very strange diet for someone trying to loose significant weight - it's more like a diet that a body 'builder' would be following.

And dont forget bodybuilders occasionaly ask questions about working out,being as it is neccesary to actually lift weights occasionaly.

corkcomp

celestial wrote: »

NO need for shakes - none whatsoever. If you are a fair bit overweight don't over-complicate things, everything you need to do you have heard at one stage or another - cut the junk, up the activity, for carbs choose wholegrain, keep exercising regularly and it really is as simple as that. Hundreds of millions of people around the world have lost loads of weight doing it!

It is when you are trying to lose the last bit of fat from around your mid-section that you need to start looking at the fine details - not at this stage. You also don't need 7 meals a day. Try this:

Breakfast
Mid-morn snack (only if hungry)
Lunch
Mid-afo snack (only if hungry)
Dinner

+1 - OP if you stick to this then the results WILL come .. dont over complicate things

Vampireskiss

Degsy wrote: »

And dont forget bodybuilders occasionaly ask questions about working out,being as it is neccesary to actually lift weights occasionaly.

What makes you think I dont lift weights? I have been fot the Past 10 years?

Can you squat 150kg for 12 reps?

or bench 100kg for 10 reps or db press 35kg dumbells

All I ever see you doing around here is critizise or slag people off

Just because im 19 stone doesnt mean im a fat coach potato I recently got a bodyfat analysis done 7 sites were tested with a calipers and while still high at 28% if I got to 10% which is very lean for a guy I would still weigh about 16 stone which for a 6ft guy is pretty heavy but for some one with a narrow view point such as you have been taking you would assume a 16 stone guy is fat because of his weight

Plus a bodybuilding diet is not just for building muscle in fact its best for losing fat while maintaining muscle you see I dont just want to lose weight I want to keep the good weight MUSCLE and lose the bad stuff FAT

Degsy

Vampireskiss wrote: »

What makes you think I dont lift weights? I have been fot the Past 10 years?

Can you squat 150kg for 12 reps?

or bench 100kg for 10 reps or db press 35kg dumbells

All I ever see you doing around here is critizise or slag people off

Just because im 19 stone doesnt mean im a fat coach potato I recently got a bodyfat analysis done 7 sites were tested with a calipers and while still high at 28% if I got to 10% which is very lean for a guy I would still weigh about 16 stone which for a 6ft guy is pretty heavy but for some one with a narrow view point such as you have been taking you would assume a 16 stone guy is fat because of his weight

Plus a bodybuilding diet is not just for building muscle in fact its best for losing fat while maintaining muscle you see I dont just want to lose weight I want to keep the good weight MUSCLE and lose the bad stuff FAT

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055481063

Money Shot

Vampireskiss wrote: »

Just because im 19 stone doesnt mean im a fat coach potato

In fairness, you admitted that you are indeed a fat guy here, not that there is anything wrong with that my friend.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055500846

Besides, I wouldn't be terribly worried about loosing valuable muscle when your an overweight 20 stone. You will never get down to 16 stone if you continue to eat and exercise like a bodybuilder on a bulk. You should include more cardio and reduce your food intake to the appropriate level.

Ask yourself this - how long have you been doing your bizarre routines and how much success have you actually got from them ? Don't you think it's time for a new approach ?

Vampireskiss

Degsy wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055481063

It took you a while to reply didn't it but how does that prove I dont go to the gym

Degsy

Vampireskiss wrote: »

It took you a while to reply didn't it but how does that prove I dont go to the gym

It doesnt but it goes some way to explaining why you're not seeing any progress if you are training.
Personally i dont believe a word that comes out of your trap,posting fictitious diets while gorging yourself with takeaways.
Get off the internet and go for a walk or something.

questioner

i feel i should throw my oar in.

First time contributor, long time on/off trainer. Vampireskiss, your diet (as has been stated numerous time above) is a gainers diet, not quite as high a calorific content as a hardgainers diet but a gainers diet nonetheless.

You've stated you have been lifting weights for ten years, to be honest benching 100x10 at your weight is significantly less than what I would consider progress after ten years of weightlifting - I weigh 13st 5lb (15% b/f) and and consistently bench 100x10-12 1RM of 125 ( admittedly questionable form).

You also failed to specify whether you have been lifting weights consistently for ten years or whether you've been a sporadic lifter (as Mea Culpa I am.)

Dumbell press, again; specify, shoulder db press or db bench press? how many? what sort of form? shoulder db press for a man claiming to carry 16 stone of muscle training ten years natural (presuming) - imho would be in the region of 40 kg for 8 to 12 reps. Strict.

Squats, when i was 17 i could squat 160 for 4, full parallel as coached by a natural powerlifter. I didnt drink, take drugs- recreational or performance enhancing, nor did I smoke. This was before i went to college and began experimenting with everything bar the one thing that would've made me a better lifter.

In conclusion. (IMHO)

1. You are a man who is carrying an unhealthy amount of fat.

2. You are not lifting, by any account, a significant amount of weight in any of your listed exercises. I do not say this to disparage you but have yourself under no illusion, just because the skinny new guy cant bench two plates a side for ten bouncy reps shouldnt give you a sense of satisfaction after your ten years of training.

3. Bodybuilders lift weights to have an effect on their bodies, they in the the purest sense of the word, do not lift weights for the sake of saying how much they can lift. The disciplines concerned with lifting weights for the sake of saying how much you can lift are powerlifting and olympic weightlifting. In any event, all three types of athletes (who know the first about their respective sports) will tell you that what they do in the gym only accounts for about 25% of their progress and what they eat accounts for the other 75%. They do not eat takeaway chinese. Period.

4.Go back to basics. Read the following " burn the fat, feed the muscle" by Tom Venuto , google search it, I'm fairly sure its a pdf download from his site but it may be available in hardcopy. Its massive, but is worth every word. For anyone who wants to look like a mens fitness bloke this is your bible. Routines and diets, diets which completely obviate the need for supplementation and protein shakes.

5. As regarding the best training theory out there currently I believe that the hypertrophy specific training has the best science to back it up. again google it and form your own opinion.

6. Do not drink, smoke or take drugs. Especially of the sedative/depressant type (of which alcohol is the most obvious). If this sounds like too much for you then dont consider yourself a bodybuilder ( In case you think I'm being harsh note that I do not consider myself currently a bodybuilder. I know a lot of men who go to rooms where there happens to be a lot of bodybuilding equipment however i know one bodybuilder)

7. Lifting weights has been scientifically proven to be better at burning calories than cardiovascualr exercise alone, However this is premised on the notion of maintaining a specific heartrate during exercise, not doing one sloppy set of bench than resting for ten minutes whilst looking around to see did anyone notice your phenomonal performance.

Sometimes the best advice isnt the most scientific but it may be the most practical. In other words, take up cadiovascular exercise. In other words, Run. On a treadmill preferably as your knees wont be long giving you trouble if you weigh 19 stone.

vampireskiss I dont mean to be giving you a hard time I'm just sick of seeing delusional men in gyms thinking that they're making progress when clearly they're not. So much so that I now train at home (Admittedly, still sporadically ) If you found any of the above offensive, disregard and consider the apology already issued. If you consider any of what I said untrue, research it.

best of luck.

Vampireskiss

Questioner

I was not bragging with does lifts. I know they are modest at best for my weight. I was trying to show the poster Degsy that its does in some part proove im not a couch potato and do go to the gym

Vampireskiss

By the way questioner

I have burn the fat by Tom Venuto

questioner

If you have "burn the fat feed the muscle" you have enough to get you down to a respectable bf, problem with the internet nowadays is that there's too much information. one basic text like venuto's is more than enough. And if you have it then you've no excuse for including that amount of supplementation in your diet, Venuto places especial emphasis on the fact that whole food are far superior to anything coming from a tub

questioner

Also you do not need to show the poster Degsy anything, do you think it makes a difference to your physical condition whether he believes you go to the gym or not?

To my mind you have fallen into the trap of trying to prove something to everybody except yourself, its a frequent enough condition amongst those insecure about some aspect of there life, be it emotional or physical. Caveat however that this is only a personal observation of mine, I do not have a degree in Psychology.

Make no mistake about it, losing a significant amount of bf is an arduous task, this is why groups such as fatfighters/weightwatchers etc. are so popular. Its also why those individuals who manage to lose significant amounts of weight are advertised as success stories. But it is something that people do individually, no one can lose the weight for you. Period. And you will not lose weight typing.

If there is one thing i would say to you it is change your diet, forget the shakes, the bcaas (not that bcaas are bad for you) the supplementation IMHO is a crutch and possibly an excuse for you to eat sh1t when you feel like it. Venuto's book is invaluable, however the fact that you've had it and paid no mind to it makes me feel tht perhaps general dietary principles would be of more benefit to you than a specifc dietary plan, to that end check out paleolithic diet. Poster opinions may be mixed on this and it is certainly not a diet you will gain mass on however it is the diet that i gained my lowest bf % on (9% skinfold) also the exclusion of dairy products and all forms of processed food made me feel the sharpest I had ever been, physically and mentally. I also noticed that i had less of a craving for salt and carbs the more accustomed my body became to wholefoods (foods that do not need to be prepared for consumption).

And again, run. If you dont feel like doing it in the gym, do it around a track or a sports field, runnning on concrete is a bad idea until you have conditioned your ligaments and cartilage. Take an Mp3 player, and just concentrate on running for forty minutes, three times a week. This is aerobic exercise, you should not be out of breath, if you have to slow down to a walking pace do so but maintain a jogging movement.

Forget the weights for the moment, after two years of training consistently I was in bordering on good to very good condition, if after ten years you're not in excellent shape its time to change the tune.

Brian?

questioner wrote: »

If there is one thing i would say to you it is change your diet, forget the shakes, the bcaas (not that bcaas are bad for you) the supplementation IMHO is a crutch and possibly an excuse for you to eat sh1t when you feel like it. Venuto's book is invaluable, however the fact that you've had it and paid no mind to it makes me feel tht perhaps general dietary principles would be of more benefit to you than a specifc dietary plan, to that end check out paleolithic diet. Poster opinions may be mixed on this and it is certainly not a diet you will gain mass on however it is the diet that i gained my lowest bf % on (9% skinfold) also the exclusion of dairy products and all forms of processed food made me feel the sharpest I had ever been, physically and mentally. I also noticed that i had less of a craving for salt and carbs the more accustomed my body became to wholefoods (foods that do not need to be prepared for consumption).

.

I think the paleo diet is a great idea. I have to disagree with you though, I can't see why you wouldn't gain lean mass on it. Your diet is high in protein and fat, with plenty of carbs coming from whole food sources. Perfect for putting on lean mass.

I also quite like the Dr. Phil tone of your post.

Bog Butter

questioner wrote: »

7. Lifting weights has been scientifically proven to be better at burning calories than cardiovascualr exercise alone, However this is premised on the notion of maintaining a specific heartrate during exercise, not doing one sloppy set of bench than resting for ten minutes whilst looking around to see did anyone notice your phenomonal performance.

Thanks for all that usefull fat burning info questioner. Using the logic of maintaining a specific heart rate while lifting with the aim of burning fat would using a low weight, say around 4/5kgs, but doing a lot of repetitions and sets, would that benifital?

Bog Butter

Would someone have a link to this in a recognisable format such as pdf: Burn the fat, feed the muscle" by Tom Venuto. I managed to download it but I could not open it.

Bog Butter

Vampireskiss wrote: »

By the way questioner

I have burn the fat by Tom Venuto

Would you have a link to this Vampireskiss please so I could download it?