Chimp for sale

cavedave

This Irish site is selling baby chimps. Is this legal?

If so, how? Surely owning another hominid is not something someone who is not a professional should be doing (or at the very least some sort of supervision is needed).

murphym7

Thats a wind up I'd say.

I think it is illegal, you probably need a license to keep a chimp I'd say.

GeeNorm

Thanks for the link

emma6606

Oh my god... thats shocking!
Surely thats against the law... Chimps are a FULL TIME JOB - they're like kids... and when theyre fully grown they're strong and can be dangerous for something silly like a tantrum

Rory123

Guuuddddee Afta-nune Sar! Please hold for Cousin Benson in sales department. Please have your bank account number and sort code ready.

cavedave

murphym7
Thats a wind up I'd say.

I think it is illegal, you probably need a license to keep a chimp I'd say.

Hopefully it is. Any evidence on what animals you need licenses for, im having trouble finding the list.

GeeNorm Thanks for the link

So you can complain? Please tell me its that.

emma6606

Surely thats against the law... Chimps are a FULL TIME JOB - they're like kids... and when theyre fully grown they're strong and can be dangerous for something silly like a tantrum

Well there is the amount of work they require and then there is how like us they are.

emma6606

I rang the ISPCA to see if that sort of thing is legal... they said it is fine as long as they were imported legally...
Theres nothing illegal about keeping chimps...
Theres one for sale in Naas for €400! Thats cheaper than alot of purebred dogs!!!
what can I say... its madness

bikki

Its a scam fooks, they will want a deposit or something similar and it will be the last time you will see ur money.

cavedave

bikki Its a scam fooks, they will want a deposit or something similar and it will be the last time you will see ur money.

The point isn't about it being a scam (i hope it is) its that it is possible to own a chimp as a pet. In our biological group are humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans. The closest to us are the chimp.

emma6606 I rang the ISPCA to see if that sort of thing is legal

Thanks for that

bikki

It is a scam, the ad address is canadian.

And just because its legal to own a Chimp doesnt mean its easy to get the permits. Its not like you can go down the pet shop and buy one.

Lenny

emma6606 wrote: »

I rang the ISPCA to see if that sort of thing is legal... they said it is fine as long as they were imported legally...
Theres nothing illegal about keeping chimps...
Theres one for sale in Naas for €400! Thats cheaper than alot of purebred dogs!!!
what can I say... its madness

what place is that?

cavedave

bikki

And just because its legal to own a Chimp doesnt mean its easy to get the permits. Its not like you can go down the pet shop and buy one.

What stops you going down the pet shop and buying one? Is it that the pet shop is sensible enough not to stock them? If so its not much of a protection.

How effective are the permits? Can you expand on how difficult are they to get. Some permit system (eg legal way of ownership) is probably needed for research labs and zoos and stuff but are they the only ones who can get them?

seanybiker

there is a little monkey for sale in pet mania in portlaoise for 2500. Me and me missus want him but are 2500 short. His name is rocco. Have a pic of him on me phone. He is fecking cool. Seriously no messing. Im from waterford so didnt see him in the flesh. Girlfriend knows someone working there and got them to send on the pic.

2qk4u

Scam - it was all over the buyandsell last year....

bikki

seanybiker wrote: »

there is a little monkey for sale in pet mania in portlaoise for 2500. Me and me missus want him but are 2500 short. His name is rocco. Have a pic of him on me phone. He is fecking cool. Seriously no messing. Im from waterford so didnt see him in the flesh. Girlfriend knows someone working there and got them to send on the pic.

The lad in Whackers Pet shop has 2 of them, there some sort of Marmaset. He waited 6 moths to get them from belgium. Cost roughly the same price u have there. I would love to get one.

bikki

cavedave wrote: »

What stops you going down the pet shop and buying one? Is it that the pet shop is sensible enough not to stock them? If so its not much of a protection.

How effective are the permits? Can you expand on how difficult are they to get. Some permit system (eg legal way of ownership) is probably needed for research labs and zoos and stuff but are they the only ones who can get them?

How many people do you know with a Chimpanze other than a Zoo. You do know they turn really aggresive when they start to muture?

Do u honsetly think a average joe could easliy get a permit and a license for a chimpanze.

Its like gun laws for example. Just because its legal to own one doesnt mean ur gonna be eligble for the lisence.

seanybiker

bikki wrote: »

The lad in Whackers Pet shop has 2 of them, there some sort of Marmaset. He waited 6 moths to get them from belgium. Cost roughly the same price u have there. I would love to get one.

yeah thats the make of em. Be class having one. Id get him a miniature bike helmet and go everywhere with him. He would have to have a human name aswell like paul or something

Lenny

yea they're little cute ones alright down there.. yea couldn't buy just one, it'd have to be the two..
they're 2k each..

bikki

Aye must have 2.

He sold his last pair because he couldnt handle them, but he has one now hes hand reared from 3 weeks and hes another on the way. He had it out in the shop with him and it was just sitting on his shoulder eating wax worms.

cavedave

How many people do you know with a Chimpanze other than a Zoo. You do know they turn really aggresive when they start to muture?

0, how many people do you know that own people as property? I do know they become aggressive.

Do u honsetly think a average joe could easliy get a permit and a license for a chimpanze.

You don't need a license that has been established. Please provide evidence about what permitting system exists.

seanybiker

i know there is two whackers pet shops up that way. Are ye on about little stocky whacker with the motorbike. He is some legend. Funny out.

pipsqueak

seanybiker

pipsqueak wrote: »

he rules

bikki

cavedave wrote: »

0, how many people do you know that own people as property? I do know they become aggressive.


You don't need a license that has been established. Please provide evidence about what permitting system exists.

Cant be bothered to argue with u, its like talking to a wall.

bikki

seanybiker wrote: »

i know there is two whackers pet shops up that way. Are ye on about little stocky whacker with the motorbike. He is some legend. Funny out.

Its the one on the Long Mile Road, its a new place tucked in behind Aldi or Lidil. I think he drives a M3 BMW converible.

SCI

I don't believe in the south of Ireland you have to have a license to own or keep any exotic pet,dangerous or not. Chimps are cites app 1 and annex a in the EC so yes anyone importing to the EC would need import permits and export permits too. I know many primate keepers in Ireland and I personally have no problem with it,as long as the person has the time,money,space IE resources and most importantly the knowledge to keep them.

As someone has said it's likely a scam,only a fool sends money to someone they don't know or can't get a recommendations for.

SCI

cavedave wrote: »

0, how many people do you know that own people as property? I do know they become aggressive.


You don't need a license that has been established. Please provide evidence about what permitting system exists.

A dog,cat,snake can become aggressive. There is no permitting system in the R.O.I. but you would need one to import one.Speak to the fisherys and wildlife.

lucky111

cavedave wrote: »

This Irish site is selling baby chimps. Is this legal?

If so, how? Surely owning another hominid is not something someone who is not a professional should be doing (or at the very least some sort of supervision is needed).

I know the site you're on about.
Complete scam, most of the ads on their selling animals are scams
Who do you know living in Ireland own a Chimp

seanybiker

bikki wrote: »

Its the one on the Long Mile Road, its a new place tucked in behind Aldi or Lidil. I think he drives a M3 BMW converible.

Just asked me da. The whacker chap i know owns the one in blanchardstown.

SCI

lucky111 wrote: »

Who do you know living in Ireland own a Chimp

You'd be surprised.I know ppl that keep and breed various marmosets and
has a hand tame ring tail Lemar. There is one very big primate keeper in donegal.

seanybiker

SCI wrote: »

There is one very big primate keeper in donegal.

me man is big or the primates are lol.
Just cos people dont see them dont mean their not here. As you just proved

bikki

The point i was trying to make was they are specialists. Its not like you or me could walk into a pet shop and walk out with a Chimpanzee

lucky111

SCI wrote: »

You'd be surprised.I know ppl that keep and breed various marmosets and
has a hand tame ring tail Lemar. There is one very big primate keeper in donegal.

If so, why would anyone want to keep such animals

SCI

lucky111 wrote: »

If so, why would anyone want to keep such animals

Why not if you have the resources and knowledge,are you against animal keeping?

lucky111

SCI wrote: »

Why not if you have the resources and knowledge,are you against animal keeping?

:rolleyes:

seanybiker

bikki wrote: »

The point i was trying to make was they are specialists. Its not like you or me could walk into a pet shop and walk out with a Chimpanzee

but there are two pet shops mentioned in this thread so i can only presume that you can go in and buy one

bikki

What sort of permit would i need for one of these?

seanybiker

bikki wrote: »

What sort of permit would i need for one of these?

ha ha classy .

bikki

But serously theres a big differnce between having one of these



And having one of these

cos!!

bikki wrote: »

The point i was trying to make was they are specialists. Its not like you or me could walk into a pet shop and walk out with a Chimpanzee

but you could!!if a petshop had chimps in stock, they would have the permits needed for importing them, and thats all thats needed!!then anyone willing to fork out the cash could buy one without a licence or even house check!their are no licences needed for any exotics in the roi!!

SCI

bikki wrote: »

But serously theres a big differnce between having one of these



And having one of these

Of course there is but if you know how to keep one what's the problem??

You haven't yet said whats wrong with it?

seanybiker

bikki wrote: »

But serously theres a big differnce between having one of these



And having one of these

Ya fecker. What make is the first fella. I want him now

SCI

seanybiker wrote: »

but there are two pet shops mentioned in this thread so i can only presume that you can go in and buy one

Just because the government in the ROI has little or no legation for who can
own an animal or who can open a pet shop, shouldn't mean that people
shouldn't keep an animals others don't under stand.

seanybiker

SCI wrote: »

Just because the government in the ROI has little or no legation for who can
own an animal or who can open a pet shop, shouldn't mean that people
shouldn't keep an animals others don't under stand.

I totally agree with ya. If I had the money and space I would love to have one.

bikki

SCI wrote: »

Of course there is but if you know how to keep one what's the problem??

You haven't yet said whats wrong with it?

Didnt say i did have a problem with it. If they are kept correctly and are ahppy and healthy then i dont c the problem.
I just dont think ur average joe soap can get his hands on a Chimpanzee from your local pet shop.

seanybiker

If ur seroius about getting one of these you should pop into Whackers on the Long Mile Road, the chap in there has these species and im sure he would tell you all u need to know.

seanybiker

bikki wrote: »

Didnt say i did have a problem with it. If they are kept correctly and are ahppy and healthy then i dont c the problem.
I just dont think ur average joe soap can get his hands on a Chimpanzee from your local pet shop.

seanybiker

If ur seroius about getting one of these you should pop into Whackers on the Long Mile Road, the chap in there has these species and im sure he would tell you all u need to know.

Seriously i would love one but need more money and room for one. Wouldnt be fair having one without the room. Me brother going to templemore soon. Could give him his room ha ha. I will look into though just to see whats involved.

bikki

I was talking to him today, he was saying u need to get them really young so they bond to you, otherwise they become unhandleable and will take the fingers off you.

Can i interst you in a Sugar Glider?
They are alot cheaper and easier to keep.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mlwzf_bqVI

Rory123

bikki wrote: »

I was talking to him today, he was saying u need to get them really young so they bond to you, otherwise they become unhandleable and will take the fingers off you.

Can i interst you in a Sugar Glider?
They are alot cheaper and easier to keep.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mlwzf_bqVI

I just watched that video today. They are a good series... I prefer videojug.com myself though. She does say "Om" 27 times in under 2.5 mins!

Our man in Havana

How do we get from a primate to a marsupial??

I have & do keep primates - the only time you need a licence is if the primate in question is a cites species then you need the correct paper work to prove the animal is captive bred etc. This is the same for a lot of exotic animals, birds & reptiles.

Now be clever people primates cost a lot of money!! If it seems too cheep its a SCAM!!

As with any thing in life - always see the product/animal in person - at the sellers house or business premises - if you are asked to meet a bloke in a car park - be careful!

Now I can own ANY animal I want! I did see a stunning Liger for sale but I do not have the space nor am I that crazy!!! Also for all the muppets out there - monkeys are not a substitute for a baby!!! So if the misses is broody - suck it up & have a baby & bitey smelly monkey is never going to able to say mummy I love you - i.e not a good baby substitute!

I must say I am so sick of the "is it legal" threads - yes it is! Our government are rather rubbish when it comes to animal laws. Primate should not be for sale in pet shops!

Primates are also social animals & more than 1 of any species should be owned. Otherwise the animal will get stressed

cavedave

SCI

Chimps are cites app 1 and annex a in the EC so yes anyone importing to the EC would need import permits and export permits too.

So would this prevent someone owning a hominid as a pet?

Bond-007

I must say I am so sick of the "is it legal" threads - yes it is! Our government are rather rubbish when it comes to animal laws. Primate should not be for sale in pet shops!

There is a huge difference between an ape and a much smaller primate. I agree that primates are not suitable for pet shops. But I think apes should not be pets at all. The difference between a human and a chimp is tiny compared to that between a chimp and a Baboon.

SCI
Of course there is but if you know how to keep one what's the problem??

You haven't yet said whats wrong with it?

You cannot keep a human as a pet. Humans have rights as sentient beings not to be owned as property. Other less intelligent animlas get rights as well generally roughly equivelant to their intelliegence. We don't believe dogs should be treated similarly to fish for example. Chimps who have tool use and basic language abilities I believe are too intelligent to be kept as pets.

The Sweeper

I think the upshot of this thread is that, to own something like a Chimpanzee, it shouldn't only be a requisite that you have time, space and money. You should also need either experience, or have to attend some sort of training that tells you how to basically care for your animal. That's the part that should be compulsory for the granting of a permit to own one (and yes, the permit should be compulsory too).

Saying that, I have heard a huge number of stunningly stupid "Yeah I'd love to own a Michael Jackson monkey" statements in the pub, and only one in thousands of those will ever pursue it any further than talking crap.

(People and wildlife don't mix. There is a huge difference between owning a domesticated animal, one for whom supermarket shelves stock products for feeding, washing and worming, and owning a wild animal that often cannot stomach or withstand similar treatment to a domestic animal.

I work with someone who runs a wildlife shelter. She confiscated an adult eastern grey kangaroo from a guy who utterly adored it. It was like his best buddy. It was confiscated after it took a fancy to his wife and started to try and ambush her for sweet loving. Not being tank girl, she refused its advances and called the rangers. The kangaroo died in rehabilitation a month after being separated from its owner.

Did it die of sadness?

No.

It died of cirrhosis of the liver because he gave it a tinny of beer every time he sat and watched football with it.)