Tried coppers with Dublin Bus' exact fare policy?

stabu

Due to a gammy knee, I've had to abandon the bike and start using the bus.

I'm still having trouble with the exact fare policy, and am starting to collect quite a few refund tickets, which I probably won't cash in.

So to get rid of the bother this is causing me, I thought about unloading all my 1 cent copper coins into those them metal containers you put your money in.

Of course, it will be almost impossible to count them .. especially if I go for 180 copper 1 cent pieces. That would be too much, But I was thinking of slowly trying with say 30 cent peices one day and then to start increasing the load.

Has anybody ever tried this? There is absolutely nothing on their web saying that you can't. If their counting machines cannot take 1 cent or 2 cent, then, they should say so.

Perhaps I shoudl email them first and ask them. But anyhow, just thought I'd post and ask: hasf anybody ever tried this?

thenightrider

Its legel tender but when paying for an item or servise the provider can refuse to take your coins onse it is over 50 coin's

Del2005

The law states that you only have to accept 50 coins of 1 euro for a transaction. So the driver could tell you to get off the bus if you try and pay with 180 coins. Why don't you just buy a 5 day ticket or a travel 90 ticket. It's cheaper the paying cash also.

congo_90

thenightrider wrote: »

Its legel tender but when paying for an item or servise the provider can refuse to take your coins onse it is over 50 coin's

Sure bout this?

Chinafoot

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1998/en/act/pub/0038/sec0010.html#zza38y1998s10

50 coins is your max legally. Bus Eireann driver told me once they won't take more than 10, Dublin Bus might be the same.

GBX

How can they refuse if its legal tender?

Seifer

Yes, the machines take them.
It's the only way I've found of getting rid of big piles of coppers. You usually get a funny look from the driver but as long as you pay the correct fare there's nothing they can say.

thenightrider

congo_90 wrote: »

Sure bout this?

Yep im sure some one just posted a link

Run_to_da_hills

If everyone started fumbling with small change on the bus with the driver expecting him to count it, the bus would be delayed and people would then complain, give them a break. :rolleyes:

John R

There are no counting machines on the buses, it is just a metal box with a perspex window for the driver to visually inspect the fare before issuing the ticket.

Do everyone who uses the bus service a favour and dispose of your mounds of copper elsewhere. There are already far too many things slowing the bus service down without another individual taking out their individuality on what is supposed to be a mass transit system.

Do yourself a favour and buy pre-paid tickets, you will probably save money in the long run and not have any change tickets to raise your ire.

Tesco and possibly other supermarkets have counting machines that will take your copper and give you a receipt for the full amount that you can use for your shopping.

John R

GBX wrote: »

How can they refuse if its legal tender?

Because there is no RIGHT to any product or service just because you have an amount of currency in your hand.

Legal tender HAS to be accepted as payment for a DEBT only.

corktina

stick all that change in a charity box somewhere.....better than delaying a busful of passengers if the machine gets jammed or something

leeroybrown

When I get buses I normally count the fare up before I get to the driver and throw a small number of coppers in with larger change. It doesn't take too long to get rid of them if you're using five of so coppers a bus trip.

Collect up your bus refund tickets. You'll be near the office at some stage or if you're not too bothered there are (or at least used to be) some charities that would accept them and refund them in bulk from time to time.

ArseBurger

GBX wrote: »

How can they refuse if its legal tender?

What do you think legal tender means? And entitles you to?

Also, consider the four way transaction for a sale of goods or services.

Steviemak

I always try and get rid of my small change on the bus. It never holds any body up as i give exact change. its people that pay over the odds that cause delays as the driver usually has to be told to give the change.

I would get rid of your coppers over a few journeys.

poisonated

Ha! I remember when I was younger,I was a bit of a chancer and I would get about 60 cent in copper coins and the driver would never know:P

I am older now and I know that it is morally wrong to take advantage of Dublin bus like this.*



*Stop myself getting abuse hopefuly:D

bk

leeroybrown wrote: »

Collect up your bus refund tickets. You'll be near the office at some stage or if you're not too bothered there are (or at least used to be) some charities that would accept them and refund them in bulk from time to time.

Dublin bus gives all unclaimed refund money to charity if it isn't collected.

AlekSmart

Stabu,Your not of Roma extraction are you ?

The coin intensive method you describe is the preferred one of the many people of the Roma tradition that I`ve come across.

Never seen it cause any problems as long as the number of coins bears some fleeting resemblance to the actual fare.

But as John D sez.....give everybody else a break....If you want to express individuality then get a Taxi...I`m sure no Taxi driver will refuse those coins in these straightened times.

It`s also worth noting that there is NO legal right to Change in any transaction.
The provision of change is a concession on the part of the vendor/provider.

As for DB "Giving" all unclaimed change to charity,it`s true after a fashion as the company uses it to fund it`s community support initiative which does eventually see the funding distributed to deserving local causes...NOT necessarily all registered charities though.

Davidth88

Wasn't there a problem with DB giving the money to Charity because they never actually put an expiration date on the change tkt ?

I always thought it was a pretty wierd system not giving change but giving a tkt that could only be cashed in one place . After all we don't all go into town that often .

We used to have a jar at work that we all put the tkts in and then sent them of to a charity , but that disappeared abotu 4 yrs ago.

When/if CIE get their act together and we get an ' Oyster ' type system here then perhaps this will disappear.

To the OP , do what I do , use the self service checkouts in Tesco and empy your change into them , do not use the machines that give you a receipt as one poster suggests because I think they take 10% ' commision ' .

Del2005

AlekSmart wrote: »

Stabu,Your not of Roma extraction are you ?

The coin intensive method you describe is the preferred one of the many people of the Roma tradition that I`ve come across.

Never seen it cause any problems as long as the number of coins bears some fleeting resemblance to the actual fare.

I got caught out with this the 1st time I got the bus from my new place. Didn't know the fare so had ~€2.50 in change, no coppers. Asked the driver the fare and started putting the money in but lost count. Told him and he said it's near enough. I know now I could have just worked backward with how much change I had left but never thought of that till later. Now just use the pre paid tickets to save money.

But as John D sez.....give everybody else a break....If you want to express individuality then get a Taxi...I`m sure no Taxi driver will refuse those coins in these straightened times.

Seeing as you've already got a debt with the taxi driver they have less option of refusing, but you've no debt with the bus driver so they can say no.

It`s also worth noting that there is NO legal right to Change in any transaction.
The provision of change is a concession on the part of the vendor/provider.

As for DB "Giving" all unclaimed change to charity,it`s true after a fashion as the company uses it to fund it`s community support initiative which does eventually see the funding distributed to deserving local causes...NOT necessarily all registered charities though.

DB should stop giving the change reciepts. It says exact fare only, but people know they'll get their money back if they give too much. If they had no chance of getting their money back I think a lot more people would stop over paying and have the correct amount. Next we'll have to get them to have their money ready when the bus stops, but I can see hell freezing over first:D Or could we make the fare increase the longer you're standing in front of the driver:D

L1011

Davidth88 wrote: »

Wasn't there a problem with DB giving the money to Charity because they never actually put an expiration date on the change tkt ?

DB get around this by honouring the tiny amount of ancient tickets that come back in themselves rather than from the unclaimed fund - the money they give away is the money from 7 years ago each year IIRC. I expect the interest on that cash collected during that time period covers the very small amount of tickets reclaimed after 7+ years!

dermo88

Just wait till I get back from Thailand with a load of 10 Baht coins, I'll put that decrepit semi state out of business.

Carawaystick

Del2005 wrote: »

DB should stop giving the change reciepts. It says exact fare only, but people know they'll get their money back if they give too much. If they had no chance of getting their money back I think a lot more people would stop over paying and have the correct amount.

Maybe if Dublin bus stated the correct fare at their bus stops or even online for all their routes, exact fare might be feasible. for outer suburban routes you are supposed to ring (01) 8734222 to find out. Now, if there is a list of fares in front of the person who answers, how hard would it be to publish it online? Especially in light of the fact that Dublin bus are cutting back on drivers and bus services, surely it would be better to make a redundant position redundant rather than drivers.

Even in the city, last time I was there, most stops didn't state the fares.

Alun

Regardless of all this ... OP, just do yourself (and all the other people queueing up behind you!) a favour and buy pre-paid tickets, either the Travel 90 or Rambler.

Cookie_Monster

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If everyone started fumbling with small change on the bus with the driver expecting him to count it, the bus would be delayed and people would then complain, give them a break. :rolleyes:

Should do it before you get on really...

John R wrote: »

Tesco and possibly other supermarkets have counting machines that will take your copper and give you a receipt for the full amount that you can use for your shopping.

They charge quite a premium though, up to 7 or 8 %

leeroybrown wrote: »

When I get buses I normally count the fare up before I get to the driver and throw a small number of coppers in with larger change. It doesn't take too long to get rid of them if you're using five of so coppers a bus trip.

+1 if everyone did this instead of waiting to get on to even open up their purse (yes, it's usually women) buses would be quicker

bk

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

+1 if everyone did this instead of waiting to get on to even open up their purse (yes, it's usually women) buses would be quicker

This is why DB needs to follow London Buses lead. Only one fare, no matter how far you are travelling. Something like €5 if your paying by cash, €1.50 if you pay via smart card.

I read recently that less then 2% of people pay by cash on London bus now and thus dwell times are vastly improved.

Alun

bk wrote: »

This is why DB needs to follow London Buses lead. Only one fare, no matter how far you are travelling. Something like €5 if your paying by cash, €1.50 if you pay via smart card.

I read recently that less then 2% of people pay by cash on London bus now and thus dwell times are vastly improved.

They could start by actively promoting and advertising their pre-paid tickets on the buses and stops, possibly one of the best kept secrets on DB.

meanmachine3

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If everyone started fumbling with small change on the bus with the driver expecting him to count it, the bus would be delayed and people would then complain, give them a break. :rolleyes:

well said run.
yesterday i pulled into the stop for one guy, he gets on the bus playing with his i-pod or mobile and as soon as he's infront of me then fumbles for all his change.i let rip into him about having his fare ready rather than playing with is music.
slightly off the topic but those of you that listen to music players could you turn down the volume when travelling on public transport. i've had alot of passengers over the last few years using ear phones and yet the whole bus could hear the music and in some cases passengers have'nt been using e/phone the music's been on ****ing loud speaker. i had one f/n playing jihadd music or whatever it is on a loud speaker jasus i didn't know what the **** was going on in the bus.
now for those of you that want the train or bus to hear your whole life story while yakking on your moblile, please dont, i dont want to hear who you shagged last night, what you had for brekkie or how good of a kisser someone was. all i want to do is go home be it by train or bus and be relaxed after a hard days work
sorry stabu for hijacking your thread:o
i dont mind the fiddlers once most of it is there if your short of change within reason just say it to the driver most of us are not that bad and will give you the ticket your looking for. dont throw in €1.50 in1c,2c or 5c coins and expect to get a €2.20 ticket we generally have an idea of roughly whats there.

zagmund

Before I saw the light and got an annual ticket I used to offload a couple of coppers per bus trip - no big deal. I can't remember the exact fare, but when leaving the house I would grab some coins, making sure I had 10c in 2c coins or 5c in 1c coins and enough larger coins to make up the fare. What's the problem with that ? Do that a few times a week and you will make a dent in your copper mountain without delaying anything. Obviously it helps to have the exact fare including coppers in your hand getting on the bus and not try to count them out when you board.

Now that I have an annual ticket I find my copper mountain is building up again. So, I head down to Tesco once a month or so and buy 2l of milk - €1.69 or whatever. Pay at the self-service tills and that makes a huge dent in the mountain. The trick is to go in the morning when the coin boxes have been emptied and there's loads of room. If you go later in evening quite often the coin boxes are full and it rejects more of the coins.

I find that some people seem to regard 1c, 2c and even 5c coins as a nuisance and some sort of sub-money not worth bothering with. A lot of this has to do with the pricing structure in shops (and on buses and toll bridges and everywhere really) here. In the UK and US for example you might buy a mars bar for (say) 67p or 83c or something. This means that people are used to getting more than 1c in their change but just as importantly are used to giving out more/less than a single large value coin. I have a feeling it is a tiger thing what may start changing as people start to take better care of their finances.

z

AlekSmart

I expect the interest on that cash collected during that time period covers the very small amount of tickets reclaimed after 7+ years!

My understanding is that unclaimed change monies are held in a dedicated non-interest bearing account in perpetuity with only a small amount being released each year (with Ministerial permission) to fund the various good works of the Community Support Initiative.

However the entire Fare/Stage structure remains an anachronism from the days of the Dalkey Tram and is WAY overdue a major rethink.

However,as noted by the current Deloitte report,the area of cash fares vs prepaid ticketing is dominated by the Department of Transports firm grip on Fares policy.

The Deloitte report calls for the Dept to either regulate ALL of the Fare structure or NONE of it....however as always,one will wait a very long time for a Minister such as Mr Dempsey to take note of the simpler and more sensible suggestions of these Consultancy types.

stabu

Hey, I'm the OP!

I want to say: I welcome all rebukes! Even the stern ones from John_R! And the Roma inspired euphemism!

I welcome them because I knew there was an element of the Shambolic Smart Alec to this thought of mine (though hardly original)! It all had a cause, as I shall relate, ... em, briefly.

I had attempted last last night to buy a ten journey card at Supervalu, but was held up in a small queue due to a young nurse paying for some 20 or so items at what is meant to be an express, 10 item only till (there was a clear sign).

I waited her out and was then told, "no we don't sell bus tickets". But of course, I could have asked before, without wasting 8 minutes waiting ... but it's impolite to interrupt another person's transaction .. and after all, she was a nurse. So nothing was said.

Bear in mind, I said I have a bad knee! You begin to notice how badly laid paths are, as you try to avoid a dog turd or two on your slow way. So that all provided the seed for the devious plan.

I started with some 20 copper coins today, and I did not get a blink of the eyelid. The driver didn't count, but I don't think they're meant to. Visual inspection is probably all they have time for. If I was a driver, I'd just try and see the euro and 50 cent coins ... I wouldn't bother even with the 20c or 10c, never mind coppers. Safe driving is the task!, not money controlling.

I agree with all the messages of moderation here. You're right, with enough journeys, 20 copper coins is acceptable and will (normally) not cause delays. 180 one cent coins is plain nasty, to anyone anywhere.

OK, I've got my 10 journey bus card again now! The copper coloured beast is back, locked-up in its cage, where it belongs!

AlekSmart

due to a young nurse paying for some 20 or so items at what is meant to be an express, 10 item only till (there was a clear sign).

I waited her out

Damn..!!! I was hoping for a happy ending as in "I ASKED her out"......what`s happened to the age of romance.....their eyes met across a crowded bus..it was love at first sight...??

SteM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Stabu,Your not of Roma extraction are you ?

The coin intensive method you describe is the preferred one of the many people of the Roma tradition that I`ve come across.

They pull the €50 note one out our way. I see the same Roma lads get on the bus to the Square - the journey's something like €1.05 - offer a €50 note to the drivers and then argue when the drivers won't accept it. The drivers always give up in the end and let them on.

SeanW

Prepaid and season tickets for teh win.

Slightly off topic but when I have too much change piled up, I usally go into Tesco during in the quieter hours, grab a few things, then use one of those self checkouts and pour in all the 1s, 2s, 5s and 10s first. Dead handy.

Godge

SeanW wrote: »

Prepaid and season tickets for teh win.

Slightly off topic but when I have too much change piled up, I usally go into Tesco during in the quieter hours, grab a few things, then use one of those self checkouts and pour in all the 1s, 2s, 5s and 10s first. Dead handy.

You just beat me to it. I do the same. Once the machine broke down while I was halfway through. The faces on the people who had picked my queue were something to behold.

marmurr1916

meanmachine3 wrote: »

well said run.
yesterday i pulled into the stop for one guy, he gets on the bus playing with his i-pod or mobile and as soon as he's infront of me then fumbles for all his change.i let rip into him about having his fare ready rather than playing with is music.

You 'let rip into' a paying customer because he didn't pay fast enough for you?

If you had done that in any decently run business your ass would have been fired.

It doesn't take much effort to get the same point across in a polite and friendly way.

Maybe you should try that the next time?

Try thinking of us as customers instead of passengers and then try remembering how you like to be treated as a customer.

Victor

marmurr1916 wrote: »

You 'let rip into' a paying customer because he didn't pay fast enough for you?

No, he let rip because one obnoxiuous inconsiderate lout was delaying dozens of people.

meanmachine3

marmurr1916 wrote: »

You 'let rip into' a paying customer because he didn't pay fast enough for you?

If you had done that in any decently run business your ass would have been fired.

It doesn't take much effort to get the same point across in a polite and friendly way.

Maybe you should try that the next time?

Try thinking of us as customers instead of passengers and then try remembering how you like to be treated as a customer.

my job is to get you to your destination as safely and quckly as possible. i only have a certain amount of time to do that run now if everyone was to fumble for their change after playing with themselves at every stop it'll take hours for my run to be done and you'd probably be the first to complain that you bus hasn't showed up when i'm sent "out of service". wheres this guys respect for the rest of the customers as you put it when he's holding them up?
as a customer anywhere i go i treat the foot soldier staff with respect. marmurr i doubt very much if you've ever served the joe public out there. now i pose this to you. how would you like it if you were serving me in a shop and i was talking with my phone , messing with my i-pod or whatever and completely ignoring you. well thats whats happens. everyday i deal with ignorant customers who get on my bus yakking on their mobiles throw their fare into the box and walk off without their ticket or one word said. i've been in numerous shops where people have done similiar things to the staff serving at tills and my comment to the staff at the tills would be ignorant ****ers.i've absolutely no time for people like that whether i'm in uniform or not. the difference between me and someone serving at a till is i bite back

AlekSmart

Perhaps I could seek marmurr1916`s advice on a little vignette which occurred today on my route....

Biting cold wind chill factor quite obviously apparent on the expessions of a small group of intending passengers as I approach their stop.

Bus is like a little oven,akin to a roaring open fire in an Alpine Hut.

I open the door and the first passenger,a young lady steps up and breezily enquires as to the fare to the city centre....

"That`ll be €2.20"I reply factually.

"How Much ? ...Has it gone up again ?...It`s ALWAYS going up"

"New years day my dear" I reply watching the 3 other intending passengers now standing behind her as they attempt to crowd up onto the platform in order to thaw out.

As my young ladylike customer proceeds to open her purse I have for a fleeting moment a hope that she will extract the €2.20 and that will be the end of it.....No such luck..Out of the small purse comes some small change which is placed not into the vault,but instead lined up on the dashboard.....

At this point the gent behind her attempts to move around her to offer his fare only for this "valued customer" to throw a glance over her shoulder and physically move to prevent him getting past.

At this point I decided to intervene......"excuse me my dear,perhaps you could take a seat and return to me with your fare when you are composed......"

"No need to get smart with me she says"

"I`m not being smart"I reply but there ARE other passengers with their fare READY and if we can get them on then we`ll be away about our business"

I then made eye contact with the gent behind her and motioned him to put his fare into the vault,which after leaning around this girl he did.....a procedure which then allowed the remaining two customers to do likewise.

This left my original lady friend who STILL had not found the appropriate coinage.....

"If you`re ever waiting at a shelter and don`t know your fare,take a look at the info panel and you can calculate it from that"(As I say this I point to the Panel behind her head on the shelter)

"Don`t be so ignorant" she says as she finally deposits €2.50 into the vault.

As I had been expecting this I had pre-entered the amount into the ticket machine,which printed out both travel and change ticket in quick succession...

She pulled the tickets viciously from the machine and remained standing glowering at me as I made to finally move away from the stop...

"Are you not going to give me my change"

"Check your ticket more closely my dear" I said "and you`ll find it`s already attached"

In reality this self absorbed anti-social exchange took a little over 90 seconds....

This needs to be viewed in the context of the figures quoted in the Deloitte report which gives UK based figures of

7 sec per passenger for a Full Cash and Change Giving Transaction.
4 Sec per passenger for a Cash but No Change Transaction
2 sec per passenger for a contactless card transaction.

In response to marmur1916`s desire for the niceties of polite and friendly behaviour, I have consistently found that the actions of a small but still noteworthy self-absorbed group of vexatious customers are now constantly impacting upon the ability of the great majority of ordinary customers who simply desire to spend as little time commuting as possible.

Further to this and from experience I continue to find these vexatious customers to be impervious to any form of Polite or Normal conversational exhortations even when its obvious that they are causing discomfort to others.

Unless some company (Perhaps a private sector niche here ?) can be found which is prepared to pander to this desire to be as uncompromising as possible then I,as a Busdriver,can only call it as I find it.

In the meantime I would recommend to Minister Dempsey that the FIRST aspect of the Deloitte report he accepts should be its recommendations on the Cash Fare structure.

KISS........(Keep It Simple,Stupid)

Buffman

OP, there is nothing wrong with what you are doing, as long as a bit of common sense is used. A good mixture of large and small coinage will soon get rid of the change mountain, while not getting you any strange looks from the driver.

Prepaid tickets are handy if you use DB frequently, but infrequent passengers will always need to be able to pay cash.

AlekSmart wrote: »

At this point the gent behind her attempts to move around her to offer his fare only for this "valued customer" to throw a glance over her shoulder and physically move to prevent him getting past.

If I was that guy standing behind her I don't think I would have been so courteous. 'Move it or loose it misses':D

I can never understand why people like this:
a) don't ask somebody at the busstop what the fare is.
b) always rush to be the first onto the bus and then just hold everyone up.

Marvinthefish

corktina wrote: »

stick all that change in a charity box somewhere.....better than delaying a busful of passengers if the machine gets jammed or something

+1

meanmachine3

yesterday i had woman who paid over €3.00 in copper i.e. 1c, 2c and 5c coins.the difference between this woman and most people is she had it all counted and ready in a coin bag before she boarded my bus. there seems to be a minority of people that are now doing this and to be honest i'm happy to take it as she had it all done up before she boarded

machiavellianme

I've taken the bus this week on account of the snow and every time, I've lashed 115 1c coins into the collector, declared my destination and got my ticket. No holding anyone up or anything else as I've had it all collected beforehand. The bus drivers dont even bat an eyelid. Why would they?
Its just money, albeit very tiny money that somehow weighs your trousers down and is uncomfortable to sit on.

Victor

Um, if you have that much change, go to the bank.

Buffman

Victor wrote: »

Um, if you have that much change, go to the bank.

What if he needs to use the bus to get to the bank...?:D

a_ominous

My local Tesco has a change machine. Haven't used it but used similar in Norway 15 years ago. You put in your loose change; it counts it and gives you a receipt less 10% (I think). You can use this in the shop for your groceries.

CIE

John R wrote: »

There are no counting machines on the buses, it is just a metal box with a perspex window for the driver to visually inspect the fare before issuing the ticket.

Do everyone who uses the bus service a favour and dispose of your mounds of copper elsewhere. There are already far too many things slowing the bus service down without another individual taking out their individuality on what is supposed to be a mass transit system.

Do yourself a favour and buy pre-paid tickets, you will probably save money in the long run and not have any change tickets to raise your ire.

Tesco and possibly other supermarkets have counting machines that will take your copper and give you a receipt for the full amount that you can use for your shopping

...and bus companies elsewhere in the world have had fare collection machines that can count small change, for about two decades thus far. Certainly so heartening to see that CIE is on the cutting edge of technology...especially since ticket printing costs keep going up

AlekSmart

Bus companies elsewhere in the world have had fare collection machines that can count small change, for about two decades thus far.

I`m not too sure about the "counting" element CIE.

There is a quite a technological gap between an electro-mechanical vault as in most European Exact Fare systems and a "Counting Machine".

Probably the most famous of the latter would be the Johnson Farebox in the USA which produced a wide range of both types and certainly the most widespread range of "Counting Machines"

http://www.johnsonfarebox.com/index.html

With Dublin Bus`s continuing underfunding it continues to rely on cash fares to an inordinate extent,something which continues to hamper the development of any real efficiencies in terms of Bus Stop Dwell Times,which remain a far greater source of delay than any of the,by now largely mythical "Traffic Gridlock" situations.

We remain around the 50/50 mark for cash vs pre-paid and that just ain`t good enough.

In fact with the introduction of "Integrated Ticketing" into Dublin later this year,we will see an INCREASE in cash fares in order to allow the NTA/Dept of Transport to misrepresent charging the current level of cash fare as a discounted rate.

Only In Ireland would we accept this sort of charlatanism from a Government Department.

If we are to get any sort of progress we need to substantially reduce Dwell-Time at Bus Stops and a Flat Fare is the simplest way to do this.....I`d suggest €2 as a good starting point for any number of journeys in a 120 minute timeframe.

I`m suggesting the 120 rather than the existing 90 minutes with a T90 because with the "Improvements" inherent in Network Direct,we are seeing many customers now "timing-out" on Travel90 tickets due to the collapse in peak time frequencies and reliabliity.

Now too see if this thread will slumber for another two years....

Stark

John R wrote: »

Do yourself a favour and buy pre-paid tickets, you will probably save money in the long run and not have any change tickets to raise your ire.

I had to switch back to change on my old bus route after Dublin Bus disposed of the 2easy tickets. On my new route it's €1.80 all the way into town so I was able to break even with the Travel 90 tickets but now they've upped the price on those so I'm losing money for the sake of doing Dublin Bus/other passengers a favour.

-Chris-

@All - FYI this is a zombie thread that was bumped by a spammer. I'm not locking it as I don't think there's any kind of time-limited aspect to the information here.

mikemac

I've often used 10 to 15 coins for my bus fare, all sorts and a lot of coppers.
But it's fine, I count it out exactly and keep it in a seperate pocket, the exact fare is ready to go when the driver arrives

But these days I just use the Travel 90 tickets. I don't actually save any money but I like the convenience of pre paid fares.
Even if the pre paid fares were slightly more then the cash, I think I'd still use them. Just scan and go, no faffing around with change

But in an effort to help dwell times at stops I would have thought cash fares can go up and pre paid fares should go down.
Or maybe something like a flat €1 and €2 fare, something simple anyway

Roll on integrated ticketing, with years in the making from different agencies it's bound to be amazing