Why so many for sale?

leinster93

I've been browsing for a VW passat for a retired person who asked if I could help them out.

Just in looking at carzone.ie and buyandsell the amount for sale is huge...in partiular the diesels as this is what he has expressed an interest in.
Am I missing something? Why so many for sale?

Is it downturn related...People going to Northern Ireland? Importing from the UK, i.e.cheaper?
...phoned a dealer and got a quote for a 2005 same price as 2005 in Northern Ireland?

Barr

They're as common as muck and sold in masses . Lots of them would be rep mobiles

F-Stop

Isn't that a good thing? Lots of choice, and some bargaining leverage.

Anan1

A good few of them are NI cars, there's a whole heap of 2.0TDI DSGs up on carzone.

jenzz

Agree - reps car! Unfortunately may be to do with all the redunandancies & lease agreements now being cancelled. But as a car 100% reliable & a dream to drive!

leinster93

Common as muck.Yep. Am wondering though, is it tax related or somethng that people feel they will be paying a lot more down the road the state the coffeurs is in?

colm_mcm

jenzz wrote: »

But as a car 100% reliable

That's nonsense, the Passat is far from reliable

jenzz wrote: »

& a dream to drive!

If you dream about tractors

Anan1

jenzz wrote: »

But as a car 100% reliable & a dream to drive!

You must be easily pleased on both fronts.;)

EPM

jenzz wrote: »

But as a car 100% reliable & a dream to drive!

Em...maybe do a search. Not the quality product we're all led to believe...

samsemtex

Anan1 wrote: »

You must be easily pleased on both fronts.;)

Gotta add my voice to this. Worst car we ever owned was a passat.

jenzz

best car i ever owned - my opinion !

Big Nasty

Colm and Anan, you're being a bit harsh here dudes! They're a decent car and I would take one of them before I would even look at a boring Jap car of the same class that you will find on www.reliable.com

The reason there's so many of them for sale is because they're a popular car, end of!

Anan1

The Passat is a good car, but neither reliability nor driving pleasure would really be it's strong point. It's very safe, it drives well enough, and it feels like an expensive product. That's enough to attract most people, just not freaks like us.;)

colm_mcm

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Colm and Anan, you're being a bit harsh here dudes! They're a decent car and I would take one of them before I would even look at a boring Jap car

We're responding to a claim that they're nice to drive and actually reliable. nobody's doubting the quality of the plastics, the integrity of the silicone-damped grab handles or the blind faith people who don't know about cars put in them.

jenzz

colm_mcm wrote: »

We're responding to a claim that they're nice to drive and actually reliable. nobody's doubting the quality of the plastics, the integrity of the silicone-damped grab handles or the blind faith people who don't know about cars put in them.

Ok what do you recommend then ?

leinster93

Quote from the retired gent who drove the comfortline today..."Lovely car to drive"...

Anan1

jenzz wrote: »

Ok what do you recommend then ?

For who?

colm_mcm

jenzz wrote: »

Ok what do you recommend then ?

Something like an Accord i-CTDI for a start. that would be for someone looking for reliability and refinement. The OP's retired gentleman may not be even looking for reliability - people buy different cars for different reasons. I wouldn't pay that much money for something with such a patchy reputation.

Armin_Tamzarian

Personally speaking, I had a Tdi(130) Passat for 2 years and found it to be a great car.
Never had any problems with it.
I'd certainly consider getting one again.

Barr

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Colm and Anan, you're being a bit harsh here dudes! They're a decent car and I would take one of them before I would even look at a boring Jap car of the same class that you will find on www.reliable.com

The reason there's so many of them for sale is because they're a popular car, end of!

Passats are equally as boring . At least the Jap would be reliable

Big Nasty

Once again dudes, it's a decent enough car! Plastics and all aside, I would take a Passat any day over the 'reliable', 'economical' Jap equivalent. Truth be known the Jap's are probably a 'better' car but I would rather drive the VW any day. Plenty of cars tick all the boxes but if they don't inspire you in any way at all then leave them to the people who use cars for just one thing: to get you from A to B. I obviously recognise that this is the point of any form of transport but I would rather take the bus than drive a Toyota.

colm_mcm

Oh Christ. Passats are inspirational now? Does having random warning lights flashing on the dash make for a more exciting drive?

Graham_B18C

I quite like the Passat but I like the Mondeo more, the hand break in the Passat is one of the most annoying features in any car I've ever driven! Why can't it be a lever like any normal car! And why cant it have a key like a normal car too!

The 2l Tdi has a fair bit of poke in it though

Mr. Presentable

We're a long way from the OP at this stage. OP, if you can avoid the fanboy stuff there's good advice among the posts. The Passat is a good reliable car - not perhaps the top of its class in any one area, but good nonetheless. The fact there are so many, when it is among the more expensive, is testimony to that.

One thing I always consider: In a head on collision, and as a layman, would you prefer to be in the VW or the Nissan?

Bugnut

My Dad had a 97 tdi and it did 260,000 miles than the mechanic he sold it to got another 110,000 out of it.
I never really liked driving it.You feel so cut off from what the car is doing.

Also I think there is poor visability because of the big A posts.

The engine is basically the same since then only using a new ECU and higher compression to improve fuel economy.....which is good up in the high 40s or early 50s MPG depending on how you drive.

Engines are still the 110hp,130hp choices (I think) both are good obviously but the 130 is a little more lively for overtaking, but both can have a ECU software upgrade to inprove performance and economy.
This works well,does not invalidate the waranty and can give you a 20% power boost on the turbo.
Basically you remove the massive variables built into a "stock" ECU from the factory.

Try a Skoda or the new Seat...great value....same engine and running gear....less money.

In fact the Seat's have a better suspension set up.

Big Nasty

nipplenuts wrote: »

We're a long way from the OP at this stage. OP, if you can avoid the fanboy stuff there's good advice among the posts. The Passat is a good reliable car - not perhaps the top of its class in any one area, but good nonetheless. The fact there are so many, when it is among the more expensive, is testimony to that.

One thing I always consider: In a head on collision, and as a layman, would you prefer to be in the VW or the Nissan?

+ 100000000000000000

Capital Slow

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Plenty of cars tick all the boxes but if they don't inspire you in any way at all then leave them to the people who use cars for just one thing: to get you from A to B.

Totally agree!

To add another point is: Get to B from A safely!

Driving seat is a dangerous place, I would like to be in a Passat than a Civic if there is a head on collison.

The reason why more people complain about it is because huge amount of people own it, there is such a big base number, these amount of people do not buy it for nothing.

I have a 2.0 petrol, don't like the idea of comparing a 115bhp car with a sub 200bhp car, what's the difference anyway, to get you off the city traffic light from 0 to 60 with a couple of second less, does that make you feel a racing driver, if yes, such a cheap one, let alone you never get to 60 mph in the city anyway, the 2.0 is not a tractor at all, comfort and quiet, feel safe, feck the fuel economy, it wouldn't cost me an arm or leg more than the Jap stuff.

Passat, nice car to have!

Barr

nipplenuts wrote: »

We're a long way from the OP at this stage. OP, if you can avoid the fanboy stuff there's good advice among the posts. The Passat is a good reliable car - not perhaps the top of its class in any one area, but good nonetheless. The fact there are so many, when it is among the more expensive, is testimony to that.

One thing I always consider: In a head on collision, and as a layman, would you prefer to be in the VW or the Nissan?

Well this would depend on the NCAP rating ? I dont think Nissans are in any way inferior in this regard

leinster93

Thanks for the replies folks.

In relation to this, is €11,000 for a 2005 1.9TDI comfortline with 60,000 miles a good deal in your opinion?

Big Nasty

Think it's time for a Poll among boards motors users: which would you rather drive (base answer, excluding all the pros and cons).

VW Passat

Toyota Avensis

Nissan Tiida

I know my answer!

colm_mcm

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Toyota Avensis

Nissan Tiida

Are these the only Japanese cars you know of?

maidhc

MCMLXXV wrote: »

VW Passat
Toyota Avensis
Nissan Tiida

The Passat is actually grand. I have said a lot of bad things about them in the past, but I have been watching an 06 one age, and in fairness to it apart from the handbrake and a lift pump it has been quite good in the 85k kms it has driven.

It is a nice car, it handles well although the 1.9 TDI 105 is gutless, especially when the car is loaded with 5 adults. If I saw a nice TDI 170 for good money I wouldn't rule it out as a next car.

Capital Slow

Barr wrote: »

Well this would depend on the NCAP rating ? I dont think Nissans are in any way inferior in this regard

Unfortunitely, NCAP does not collide a Passat with a Nissan:D!

Road collision does not only involve what NCAP used as collision objects, ie, a wall!

keefg

samsemtex wrote: »

Gotta add my voice to this. Worst car we ever owned was a passat.

+1 on this. With exception to the Mark 2 Escort I owned in the 80's the Passat is the worst motor I have owned......and it came with free swimming pool in the footwell behind the passenger seat.

colm_mcm

Capital Slow wrote: »

Unfortunitely, NCAP does not collide a Passat with a Nissan:D!

Road collision does not only involve what NCAP used as collision objects, ie, a wall!

So something like a new model Avensis isn't as safe as a Passat despite the old Avensis getting the same occupant rating, both being 5 stars, and the Avensis also having a knee airbag?

do you think NCAP should crash the cars into Passats because they're stronger than the test walls?

Passats are quite safe, but so are a lot of cars.

Guy:Incognito

nipplenuts wrote: »

The fact there are so many, when it is among the more expensive, is testimony to that.
?

It really isnt. For some reason or other Vw's have an unwarranted reputation in Ireland as some sort of does-everything supercars. They are proof that the general public still believes what the old man in the pub tells them.

They are middle of the road carrs on pretty much all counts.

MCMLXXV wrote: »

VW Passat

Toyota Avensis

Nissan Tiida

I know my answer!

Tilda is in the same class as the Golf. Not really a fair comparison.

com1

Capital Slow wrote: »

Unfortunitely, NCAP does not collide a Passat with a Nissan:D!

Road collision does not only involve what NCAP used as collision objects, ie, a wall!

I think I'd prefer to crash my Nissan into a parked Passat than a parked wall;)

Big Nasty

colm_mcm wrote: »

Are these the only Japanese cars you know of?

As much as I would like to keep it that way, NO!

We're all entitled to our own opinion dude. Jap cars are great, without a shadow of a doubt, but I just find them boring in comparison to their class equivalents no matter how many boxes they tick. Rave on as much as you like about the pros and cons but I will never bend to my opinion on this. There are only two countries I would buy cars from: Germany for everything that a car should be and America for pure raw size, torque and looks.

That's just me dude and I will never be converted otherwise!

colm_mcm

MCMLXXV wrote: »

That's just me dude and I will never be converted otherwise!

A wise man often changes his opinions!

Big Nasty

colm_mcm wrote: »

A wise man often changes his opinions!

Probably right dude! As much as I appreciate new technology I would rather a car with road presence. Prime examples for me would be new vs previous S8 / 7 Series, etc. Any BMW fan will only begin to appreciate the outgoing model as the new model enters. I'm still having trouble with the '02 model 7, put me in the previous model any day and I'm happy! Then again maybe that's an age thing!

Barr

MCMLXXV wrote: »

As much as I would like to keep it that way, NO!

We're all entitled to our own opinion dude. Jap cars are great, without a shadow of a doubt, but I just find them boring in comparison to their class equivalents no matter how many boxes they tick. Rave on as much as you like about the pros and cons but I will never bend to my opinion on this. There are only two countries I would buy cars from: Germany for everything that a car should be and America for pure raw size, torque and looks.

That's just me dude and I will never be converted otherwise!

I hear your a car racist now Father

Big Nasty

Feck it, we all gotta lean in one direction or another!

Gots me a 5-Series and a 79 Trans Am!

Capital Slow

colm_mcm wrote: »

So something like a new model Avensis isn't as safe as a Passat despite the old Avensis getting the same occupant rating, both being 5 stars, and the Avensis also having a knee airbag?

do you think NCAP should crash the cars into Passats because they're stronger than the test walls?

Passats are quite safe, but so are a lot of cars.

I think you are missing the point, what NCAP using is a concreat wall and unbreakable steal object to hit the test car, rather than a breakable one, if the car being tested is hit by an crashable object, ie a Nissan, the impact to the tested car can be substantially reduced by the energy obsorbed in the other car depands on how strong the other car is.

NCAP is not the most realistic measure of how strong or how safe the car is, it effectively provides you an indication only, it ommits a lot of real life possibilities, nobody said Passat is the most Saft car, and there are lot of other safe cars out there, but in reality, like day to day head on collision, I think it is clear who does better between a German car and Jap car.

You can tell which car is better if you head on collide the same NCAP score cars, they will score differently, lots of them designed toward NCAP scorecard, not real life mate! On this test, I think Passat probably do better than Nissan.

com1 wrote: »

I think I'd prefer to crash my Nissan into a parked Passat than a parked wall;)

It wouldn't do well in either of these!

abolladura.jpg

Don't tell me this is a crashing zone, so many of them in Dublin, when was the last time you saw one of this on a Premera and when was the last time this kind of dent was seen on a Passat or any German car?

Biro

Such rediculous posts here. The Passat is no more or less safe than any of it's competitors. No matter what you crash any of them into.
OP, in 2005 there's both the old and new model available, be sure to get the new model. It's a league ahead of the old one dynamically. Passats are dull, but competent to drive. Well insulated in terms of sound, nice interior - up with the best in its class, comfortable. Has plenty of niggly problems, but not a complete disaster by and large. No steering feedback, but the independent rear suspension on the B6 keeps it well poised on twisty roads, making for a much better handling car than the predecessor, but still far too removed for a keen driver and is well beaten in terms of chassis dynamics by some of its rivals.
The 1.9 is old and noisey with a narrow torque band and underpowerd for that car but its reliable and the Passat level of insulation keeps most of the noise hidden. It's a sound choice for someone who likes the feeling of a solid quality product.
And on all those bragging about safety, go buy decent brand soft compound tyres that perform well in the wet. It makes far more difference than any number of airbags.

Biro

Capital Slow wrote: »

I think you are missing the point, what NCAP using is a concreat wall and unbreakable steal object to hit the test car, rather than a breakable one, if the car being tested is hit by an crashable object, ie a Nissan, the impact to the tested car can be substantially reduced by the energy obsorbed in the other car depands on how strong the other car is.

NCAP is not the most realistic measure of how strong or how safe the car is, it effectively provides you an indication only, it ommits a lot of real life possibilities, nobody said Passat is the most Saft car, and there are lot of other safe cars out there, but in reality, like day to day head on collision, I think it is clear who does better between a German car and Jap car.

You can tell which car is better if you head on collide the same NCAP score cars, they will score differently, lots of them designed toward NCAP scorecard, not real life mate! On this test, I think Passat probably do better than Nissan.



It wouldn't do well in either of these!

abolladura.jpg

Don't tell me this is a crashing zone, so many of them in Dublin, when was the last time you saw one of this and when was the last time this kind of dent was seen on a Passat or any German car?

A Nissan. Great. So what if I took the Paris-Dakar Nissan entry and threw a Passat at it? Be more specific.
Saying Jap cars are not as good in a crash as German is stupid. Why would a Passat out perform an Avensis (both new) if both hit each other at 20kph? Answer - it wouldn't.

Capital Slow

Biro wrote: »

A Nissan. Great. So what if I took the Paris-Dakar Nissan entry and threw a Passat at it? Be more specific.
Saying Jap cars are not as good in a crash as German is stupid. Why would a Passat out perform an Avensis (both new) if both hit each other at 20kph? Answer - it wouldn't.

Correct me if am wrong, OP's old fella is not buying a Pairs-Dakar Nissan, isn't it? That's a bit stupidity and desperate to think that extreme!

Also, OP is not buying a new Passat or Avensis either, I think the guy is thinking about a 05 passat money car!

Big Nasty

Biro wrote: »

Such rediculous posts here. The Passat is no more or less safe than any of it's competitors. No matter what you crash any of them into.
OP, in 2005 there's both the old and new model available, be sure to get the new model. It's a league ahead of the old one dynamically. Passats are dull, but competent to drive. Well insulated in terms of sound, nice interior - up with the best in its class, comfortable. Has plenty of niggly problems, but not a complete disaster by and large. No steering feedback, but the independent rear suspension on the B6 keeps it well poised on twisty roads, making for a much better handling car than the predecessor, but still far too removed for a keen driver and is well beaten in terms of chassis dynamics by some of its rivals.
The 1.9 is old and noisey with a narrow torque band and underpowerd for that car but its reliable and the Passat level of insulation keeps most of the noise hidden. It's a sound choice for someone who likes the feeling of a solid quality product.
And on all those bragging about safety, go buy decent brand soft compound tyres that perform well in the wet. It makes far more difference than any number of airbags.

+100000000000000000000000000

Biro

Capital Slow wrote: »

Correct me if am wrong, OP's old fella is not buying a Pairs-Dakar Nissan, isn't it? That's a bit stupidity and desperate to think that extreme!

Also, OP is not buying a new Passat or Avensis either, I think the guy is thinking about a 05 passat money car!

He's not buying any Nissan, but you seem hell-bent on stating that a Passat would almost drive through any Nissan.
The 05 105bhp Passat is the B6 model, which is the newest model Passat.

Capital Slow

Barr wrote: »

Well this would depend on the NCAP rating ? I dont think Nissans are in any way inferior in this regard

Biro wrote: »

He's not buying any Nissan, but you seem hell-bent on stating that a Passat would almost drive through any Nissan.
The 05 105bhp Passat is the B6 model, which is the newest model Passat.

Not me start any word of Nissan, and not me saying for definite Passat will smash all the Jap cars.

Whatever seems to you is how you read it, I just made my comments on the strong and solid nuture of the Passat car.

homer90

leinster93 wrote: »

I've been browsing for a VW passat for a retired person who asked if I could help them out.

Just in looking at carzone.ie and buyandsell the amount for sale is huge...in partiular the diesels as this is what he has expressed an interest in.
Am I missing something? Why so many for sale?

Is it downturn related...People going to Northern Ireland? Importing from the UK, i.e.cheaper?
...phoned a dealer and got a quote for a 2005 same price as 2005 in Northern Ireland?

Just a reminder of the OP,s original question


Nissan / Paris Dakar / Toyota / stone walls etc etc....................

For whats its worth at this stage have had a few passats and never had issues ........

pipsqueak

http://www.usedcarsni.com/24547647

here you go op all in 8k!