Constant waist : increasing bodyweight

BossArky

This is probably a stupid question but I'll ask it anyway as a quick google just gave the standard BMI and waist to hip ratio results.

I'm currently ~76kg & fit into 32 inch trousers.

Lets say I continue with a heavy 5x5 on squat / deadlift /bench and pile on a few kg bringing me up to 80kg. Does this mean that I'll end up with a larger waistline anyway as my back & abs grow?

I guess it kinda like "how long is a piece of string"... and depends on what I eat, & cardio, etc... but it would be helpful to know if there are posters out there who are my current weight, or 80kg... or 90kg with the similar waistlines.

I'd also be interested to hear from people who have added lets say 10kg but kept the same waistline.

I'm wondering over the next months how hard it will be to keep my waistline this size if my weight increases. Am I making things too hard & limiting gains I could be making by trying to keep my waistline the same?

It is just a pain to have to buy new clothes but maybe thats something I'll have to accept.

Thoughts?

g'em

BossArky wrote: »

Thoughts?

I had a big long rambling reply to this... but deleted it because I'm less than coherent today and it made no sense even to me

When I was PL squatting and deadlifting I had a bigger waist than I do now (around the same as yours actually ) but I had less muscle mass. I haven't deadlifted in forever but I am still squatting and I'm in or around as strong as I was at my peak (or near it) and with a much smaller waist (around 29") and with much less bodyfat i.e. to get stronger initially I had to put on weight (fat and muscle) but when the muscle was there I was able to trim down.

Besides that though my CNS is more efficient and I'm training more cleverly and this time around I won't be looking to gain mass to get stronger. I can see this all around me in my fellow oly weightlifters - they are increasing their lifts while maintaining the same bodyweight (+/- a kilo or two). Obviously oly lifting is different to powerlifting but we squat the same as anyone else (but deeper ).

What I'm trying to say, in a roundabout kinda crap way, is that you can get stronger without adding a huge amount of mass but a) it depends on how you train, b) your training experience and CNS efficiency and c) on how much stronger you want to get (big hyoooge PLing kinda numbers will prob require some paunch and leverage).

There's probably much that I can be corrected on there so if anyone more knowledgeable wants to correct fire away.

tribulus

I think it's possible but even without direct ab or oblique work they're still going to grow if you're pushing heavy squats and deads though maybe not into another trouser size.

Trying to save money in the recession eh

rubadub

I am 80kg now, 5'11'', and still fit the same 32" jeans & trousers. They are only slightly tighter than they were. I was 75kg for ages, and about 73kg at my lightest.

I put on a "winter coat" which I will now lose easily enough, but I do not do a lot of leg work except for hard cycling.

amazingemmet

I'm 86kg at the mo and my waist is 32in at my heaviest 93kg I had a 30in waist guess who's gotten tubbier in the wrong way

delllat

amazingemmet wrote: »

I'm 86kg at the mo and my waist is 32in at my heaviest 93kg I had a 30in waist guess who's gotten tubbier in the wrong way

32" waist is good for a man almost 90kg

i wouldnt worry about that

amazingemmet

delllat wrote: »

32" waist is good for a man almost 90kg

i wouldnt worry about that

Nah most of my nice jeans don't fit around the waist anymore any my six pack is more just a pack at mo with some top ab bulges, stupid x-mass

BossArky

tribulus wrote: »

Trying to save money in the recession eh

Lol :pac:

amazingemmet wrote: »

I'm 86kg at the mo and my waist is 32in at my heaviest 93kg I had a 30in waist

Excellent - that is what I was looking to hear I guess. What kind of training were you doing when you were 93kg with a 30 inch waist?

g'em wrote: »

What I'm trying to say, in a roundabout kinda crap way, is that you can get stronger without adding a huge amount of mass

I know that I could just start stuffing myself and quaffing milk like there is no tomorrow, causing muscle & fat to pile on, ...after which I could reduce fat through diet / smart training.

I guess I'm wondering if it would be quicker to bulk up first, then cut later... or just add the lean mass slowly slowly until arriving at a particular weight 10kg off in the distance.

FYI - I'm not exactly planning on putting on 10kg anytime soon... maybe over the next year or two. I'm in no rush... this was just a question I was pondering recently.

Thanks for the info all.

SJPRogue

Does it really matter if your waist grows a bit as long as its in proportion to the rest of you & you look fit (whatever definition of looking fit you have)?

j@utis

waist is waist, but when you put on/loose 1-2kg and your bra size changes and this happens about 5 times a year then it really gets anoying. anytime I go out shopping for clothes I end up in lingerie stores, because I'm in constant need for new size bras...
sorry, that's not applicable to guys. or lucky you...

g'em

j@utis wrote: »

waist is waist, but when you put on/loose 1-2kg and your bra size changes and this happens about 5 times a year then it really gets anoying.

So true!!!













First person to say Pics or gtfo gets a whoopin with the banstick... :pac:

Jimmy Bottlehead

g'em wrote: »

So true!!!







First person to say Pics or gtfo gets a whoopin with the banstick... :pac:

I feel your pain, my sisters










tits or gtfo

BossArky

SJPRogue wrote: »

Does it really matter if your waist grows a bit

Yes! Credit crunch - see above

rubadub

BossArky wrote: »

I guess I'm wondering if it would be quicker to bulk up first, then cut later... or just add the lean mass slowly slowly until arriving at a particular weight 10kg off in the distance.

FYI - I'm not exactly planning on putting on 10kg anytime soon... maybe over the next year or two. I'm in no rush... this was just a question I was pondering recently.

I have put on weight very slowly, was stable for ages losing fat and putting on muscle at the same slow rate, and now putting on more of both probably! hopefully more muscle. I was in no rush too, in no competition, and just did not really like the thought of gorging and fasting for seasons, though I do that Anacat protocol the odd time. http://www.teamtestforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=761

Some say it is a losing battle trying to lose weight & build muscle at the same time, but I know it worked for me, might have been faster doing bulk/cuts, most people tend to overdo the bulks though.

I will also specifically train in advance of eating loads, if I feel peckish, or going to a restaurant etc.

j@utis wrote: »

I'm in constant need for new size bras...
sorry, that's not applicable to guys. or lucky you...

ehh, it was the fact that I should have been wearing a bra that I started training

DM-BM

amazingemmet wrote: »

I'm 86kg at the mo and my waist is 32in at my heaviest 93kg I had a 30in waist guess who's gotten tubbier in the wrong way

But were your legs and ass small enough to fit into 30in pants when you were 93kg?

Brian?

g'em wrote: »

I had a big long rambling reply to this... but deleted it because I'm less than coherent today and it made no sense even to me

When I was PL squatting and deadlifting I had a bigger waist than I do now (around the same as yours actually ) but I had less muscle mass. I haven't deadlifted in forever but I am still squatting and I'm in or around as strong as I was at my peak (or near it) and with a much smaller waist (around 29") and with much less bodyfat i.e. to get stronger initially I had to put on weight (fat and muscle) but when the muscle was there I was able to trim down.

Besides that though my CNS is more efficient and I'm training more cleverly and this time around I won't be looking to gain mass to get stronger. I can see this all around me in my fellow oly weightlifters - they are increasing their lifts while maintaining the same bodyweight (+/- a kilo or two). Obviously oly lifting is different to powerlifting but we squat the same as anyone else (but deeper ).

What I'm trying to say, in a roundabout kinda crap way, is that you can get stronger without adding a huge amount of mass but a) it depends on how you train, b) your training experience and CNS efficiency and c) on how much stronger you want to get (big hyoooge PLing kinda numbers will prob require some paunch and leverage).

There's probably much that I can be corrected on there so if anyone more knowledgeable wants to correct fire away.

Did you just call all powerlifters fat idiots, who don't squat deep enough or am I imagining things?

Brian?

I think the solution to your clothes issue is to squat like a lunatic until you have massive legs and then wear tight short shorts all year round to show them off.

SJPRogue

BossArky wrote: »

Yes! Credit crunch - see above

all this over a pair of jeans or two?????

I'm 83kg, 33 inch waist. Have done alot of weights in my time and was once alot bigger.

Years ago, when i used to do heavy weights 4 times a week, i put on 2 stone in 8 months. My waist line only went up by 1 inch to 33". This is a great size as it effectively means i have to buy 34" trousers/jeans as only 1 brand does 33. Because of this i always have a bit of leeway in when it comes to waistline fluctuations.

celestial

SJPRogue wrote: »

all this over a pair of jeans or two?????

I'm 83kg, 33 inch waist. Have done alot of weights in my time and was once alot bigger.

Years ago, when i used to do heavy weights 4 times a week, i put on 2 stone in 8 months. My waist line only went up by 1 inch to 33". This is a great size as it effectively means i have to buy 34" trousers/jeans as only 1 brand does 33. Because of this i always have a bit of leeway in when it comes to waistline fluctuations.

What weight were you prior to gaining the 2 stone?

corribdude

BossArky wrote: »

I guess it kinda like "how long is a piece of string"... and depends on what I eat, & cardio, etc... but it would be helpful to know if there are posters out there who are my current weight, or 80kg... or 90kg with the similar waistlines.
I'd also be interested to hear from people who have added lets say 10kg but kept the same waistline.

Ive put on 15kg in the last 12 months. Have gone from wearing 32 inch trouser to 34. But thats mainly down to bigger quads and glutes, my waist size is pretty much the same.

BossArky

SJPRogue wrote: »

all this over a pair of jeans or two?????

Actually I'm talking about suit trousers. This means a decision to throw out the old and get in the new is a bit more expensive (to buy both trousers & jacket) than just getting jeans (unless I can both remember where I got them and if they happen to have the trousers still in stock in a different size a year on...)

Anyway, the issues isn't about the cost of my wardrobe revamp, it is about how heavy people have gone whilst keeping a relatively low / constant waistline.

The past 6 months I've put on a fair bit of weight on hams, glutes & quads (as per corribdude).... and am wondering if the waistline has to go up in line with these to allow further growth.

SJPRogue wrote: »

I'm 83kg, 33 inch waist.

i put on 2 stone in 8 months. My waist line only went up by 1 inch to 33".

That must have been a fairly hefty increase in fat too though?

g'em

briankeating wrote: »

Did you just call all powerlifters fat idiots, who don't squat deep enough or am I imagining things?

what the... but I didn't ... and I never... aw crap

I all lifters equally and it's our differences that make us all so unique and wonderful

WolfForager

briankeating wrote: »

I think the solution to your clothes issue is to squat like a lunatic until you have massive legs and then wear tight short shorts all year round to show them off.

I second this motion.

Brian?

g'em wrote: »

what the... but I didn't ... and I never... aw crap

I all lifters equally and it's our differences that make us all so unique and wonderful

That sounds like the end of an episode of 7th heaven or some other such nonsense, I love it.

On a serious note though, what do you think makes oly lifting training more "clever"?

Hanley

briankeating wrote: »

On a serious note though, what do you think makes oly lifting training more "clever"?

I assume it's cos weightlifters use percentages and sh!t :rolleyes:

People seem to think powerlifting training = max out all the time. The most succesful lifters I know would laugh at that idea. I don't think I've taken a max single in about 4 or 5 months (other than the random raw comp I did, but I'm not counting that!).

Powerlifting's all about pushing and backing off, pushing and backing off, pushing and backing off.

Hanley

On topic tho,

I wear pretty much all the same clothes now as I did when I was 10-15kg lighter. That's including suits. My waist was around 38 inches at my belly button when I was 101-103kg, and it's 38.5-39 now at 108ish. My suprailliac skin fold's within a milimetre or two of what it was as well.

g'em

briankeating wrote: »

That sounds like the end of an episode of 7th heaven or some other such nonsense, I love it.

I developed my girl-crush on Jessica Biel thanks to that show

briankeating wrote:

On a serious note though, what do you think makes oly lifting training more "clever"?

Sorry, I worded that totally wrong, I meant irrespective of the lifting discipline I'm training much more cleverly for me thanks to having a coach who can guide me in the right direction.

Hanley wrote: »

I assume it's cos weightlifters use percentages and sh!t :rolleyes:

Nope, total misunderstanding as said above. Weightlifting, PLing, BBing, they all require a clever training plan to be succesful in them.

Reyman

Impressive all these 32" waists. I'm told by the guys in the clothes shops that the average guy's waist in Dublin is 36". And rising further!

It must be true it's mighty hard to get 32's anywhere

Brian?

Reyman wrote: »

Impressive all these 32" waists. I'm told by the guys in the clothes shops that the average guy's waist in Dublin is 36". And rising further!

It must be true it's mighty hard to get 32's anywhere

I dunno, any time I go shopping for jeans, its all 32s or 30's left.

Hanley

briankeating wrote: »

I dunno, any time I go shopping for jeans, its all 32s or 30's left.

Surely lending weight to the argument that te average waist size is now >32 inches! :pac:

Brian?

Hanley wrote: »

Surely lending weight to the argument that te average waist size is now >32 inches! :pac:

Oh yeah, thats actually what I meant. I assume that all the >32 waist sizes are all gone because they've been bought already.

amazingemmet

@bossarky

At that time I was doing about 15hrs circus/acrobatics/trampoline, about 4hrs contemporary dance and ballet, 5-6hrs weights based roughly on wsfsb3 (possibly the greatest program template ever). At the moment I've just recovering from tearing my rhomboid on one side so I've been off most upper body training for nearly 7months and also rehabing a torn adductor in my leg so I've had to drop the weights and a chunk of the acro. I normally find when I do weights my body adds a few kgs and when I don't they just fall off as there's no real point having the extra weight.

@Dm-bm, I'd spent ages finding jeans which would fit my legs which were 29-30in, with tiny calves , at the time. I actually only have about 3 pairs of jeans only one of which fits good now, back to the clown pants for a bit i suppose

BossArky

FWIW Sylverster Stallone in Rambo II

Stallone’s measurements when he was filming Rambo II were 50-inch of chest, 29-inch of waist and 17-inch biceps. At his peak, his body fat percentage was about 4%.

He was around 70 to 72kg for the early Rambo films. Info from here.

rubadub

briankeating wrote: »

I dunno, any time I go shopping for jeans, its all 32s or 30's left.

I love shopping in sales now since I am getting the smaller ones. I remember when I wore 36" and looking at leftover 30" ones thinking "WTF do they even stock these? nobody could fit in them!". I actually did fit in one pair of 30", but did not have a 30" waist. It is a marketing thing called "vanity sizing"