Protein/Whey Shakes

jimbo32123

i was on here few weeks ago thread called 'help badly needed'. since then the diet has changed and gym workout hasd been ammedned. Now weigh 124.6 as opposed to 126 but the waist is 9cm samller so im going int he right direction.

my question is about protein shakes do they work with cardio workouts whats there advantages/disadvantages and are there side effects??

rubadub

What do you mean by "work", they are just another type of dairy product or food, they give you energy when you eat them (or drink milk or eat cheese). There is nothing magical about them, most here will recommend you get protein from sources like chicken or meat, I like whey so have it along with plenty of other sources.

Advantage is they are a cheap source of food (if you do not go for big brands), and I find I feel less hungry after them so am less likely to snack. So if you are on a calorie controlled diet they could help, but certainly get a balanced diet sorted. I drink small shakes along with other foods. I mix whey into oats & milk for breakfast

As for side-effects, some people fart on them, others might be lactose intorlerant, or have some adverse reaction that they would probably get from any other dairy product.

Jimmy Bottlehead

rubadub wrote: »

As for side-effects, some people fart on them, others might be lactose intorlerant, or have some adverse reaction that they would probably get from any other dairy product.

Aye, its true. I farted in my sleep a few nights ago and it literally (no joke) woke the missus up. Fact.

jimbo32123

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Aye, its true. I farted in my sleep a few nights ago and it literally (no joke) woke the missus up. Fact.

from a loosing weight point of view, what are there benefits..never mind the added advantage of keeping her awake all night??

if by taking one scoop in a liter of water before training and one after will this provide enough energy to keep my body from going to a catabolic state and burn fat and not muscle?? i also hear it is good for repairing sore and abused mucsle??

does it work in a cardio workout system along with a small number of weights??

madmik

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Aye, its true. I farted in my sleep a few nights ago and it literally (no joke) woke the missus up. Fact.

excellent!

rubadub

jimbo32123 wrote: »

from a loosing weight point of view, what are there benefits..

I took it for 3 main reasons.
1. Cheap & convenient food.
2. Suppressed or rather satisfied my hunger.
3. Most importantly when doing weights/resistance training it will help you to develop & maintain new muscle, this new muscle development uses up calories, the maintenance of it uses more calories per gram than fat. So your metabolism is raised, you can "get away" with eating/drinking more without putting on fat.

quirkster

more muscle = more fat burned

muscle grows from being stimulated into growth ( by weight lifting) and by being fed and given enough nutirents (mainly protein) to grow

if you can have a tub of cottage cheese, theres the same amount of protein in that as in one scoop of any good whey protein so dont get caught up as i once did in my naiveity thinking that all your protein sources has to come from shakes


amino acids might be the better option for taking when doing cardio to minimise muscle breakdown but whey will work too

Degsy

I found whey made me fat(er).

jimbo32123

Degsy wrote: »

I found whey made me fat(er).

in what way were you taking them or exercising along with them??

delllat

Degsy wrote: »

I found whey made me fat(er).

calories make u fatter

theres no such thing as food that makes u fat(including fat itself)

jimbo32123

delllat wrote: »

calories make u fatter

theres no such thing as food that makes u fat(including fat itself)

what sort of a diet would you need to have to accomadate these then so??

delllat

jimbo32123 wrote: »

what sort of a diet would you need to have to accomadate these then so??

u would simpley have to eat the correct amount of calories

this means eating an amount equal to the amount u burn

eating more will make u fatter

eating less will make u thinner

this reminds me of the program where the guy ate 55 oranges a day and told the nutritionist "u cant get fat from oranges because theres no fat in an orange and oranges are healthy"

(they guy had a physique like a water bed)

how i laughed watching that program

Degsy

delllat wrote: »

u would simpley have to eat the correct amount of calories

this means eating an amount equal to the amount u burn

eating more will make u fatter

eating less will make u thinner

this reminds me of the program where the guy ate 55 oranges a day and told the nutritionist "u cant get fat from oranges because theres no fat in an orange and oranges are healthy"

(they guy had a physique like a water bed)

how i laughed watching that program

U reckon?:rolleyes:

quirkster

delllat wrote: »

u would simpley have to eat the correct amount of calories

this means eating an amount equal to the amount u burn

eating more will make u fatter

eating less will make u thinner

this reminds me of the program where the guy ate 55 oranges a day and told the nutritionist "u cant get fat from oranges because theres no fat in an orange and oranges are healthy"

(they guy had a physique like a water bed)

how i laughed watching that program

eating more will make you grow more than it will make u fat, providing your working out properly.you might put on some fat if the cals are from 'dirty' sources, and if you dont eat certain stuff when your meant to or vice a versa.

jimbo32123

quirkster wrote: »

eating more will make you grow more than it will make u fat, providing your working out properly.you might put on some fat if the cals are from 'dirty' sources, and if you dont eat certain stuff when your meant to or vice a versa.

how do you mean certain stuff when your meant to??

i diet now consists of two wheatabix for breakfast, 2 fruit at 10.30m, 1.00 luch chicken salad or toasted granery bap or bb sandwich noramlly tuna some fruit or a yogurt and some fruit. 4.00pm bananna then gym for a while and sandwich or simlar when i get home around 9ish. then well maybe a cup a tea or a buscuit or somethign liek that the odd night.

would this diet suit a protein shake addition?? my normally workout consists of
bench(straight, inclined, declined), arm curls, lunges, ets some core and stabiltiy work, spin class (45mins) and 3 or 5k run then thats most of the time maybe 2 nigths a week and then 2 nights gaa training!!

rubadub

Degsy wrote: »

I found whey made me fat(er).

Too much of any food will make people fat. And at a given calorie size some foods make you fatter than others, e.g. I drink up to 6000kcal worth of beer in a week, if that was 6000kcal of coke I have NO doubt I would be a lot fatter.

I think some people might view whey as an additional supplements to their diet, i.e. extra. Too many think of it as some magical drug or something, it is food, and its calories have to be taken into account in your overall calorie intake figures. I like whey, some do force it down, I would have to force down tuna or plain cottage cheese. I prefer to eat what I like.

jimbo32123 wrote: »

what sort of a diet would you need to have to accomadate these then so??

You can have a go estimating your calorie intake here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=50956807&postcount=4

Then if you are putting on fat lower the estimate, and vice versa.

quirkster

eating protein in the morning because youll have been starving your self for about 8 hours while you sleep

slow digestiong (low GI) carbs pre workout and throughout the day

fast digesting (high GI) carbs post workout only

protein post workout and before bed for optimum growth

theyre just some examples

you have to understand that a protein shake will do nothing that tuna, cottage cheese,steak, chicken etc wont do.
it should only be used when you cant get your protein requirments from real food or if its not convienient to carry a steak round with you (to the gym or to work or to training). its for these situation that shakes come in handy

jimbo32123

quirkster wrote: »

eating protein in the morning because youll have been starving your self for about 8 hours while you sleep

slow digestiong (low GI) carbs pre workout and throughout the day

fast digesting (high GI) carbs post workout only

protein post workout and before bed for optimum growth

theyre just some examples

you have to understand that a protein shake will do nothing that tuna, cottage cheese,steak, chicken etc wont do.
it should only be used when you cant get your protein requirments from real food or if its not convienient to carry a steak round with you (to the gym or to work or to training). its for these situation that shakes come in handy

I SEE WHERE YOUR COIMG FROM ALRIGHT, COUL YOU DEFINE CARB FOODS THAT WOULD FALL INTO EACH OF THOSE CATAGORIES??

Degsy

rubadub wrote: »

Too much of any food will make people fat. And at a given calorie size some foods make you fatter than others, e.g. I drink up to 6000kcal worth of beer in a week, if that was 6000kcal of coke I have NO doubt I would be a lot fatter.
.

Exactly.
I would've said "I'll take 220 calories from a shake because i havnt got time to cook a steak,i found that the sugar(lactose) in the shake seemed to add fat more readily than the proper meal alternative.

quirkster

jimbo32123 wrote: »

I SEE WHERE YOUR COIMG FROM ALRIGHT, COUL YOU DEFINE CARB FOODS THAT WOULD FALL INTO EACH OF THOSE CATAGORIES??

high GI - white potatoes, white rice, very well boiled pasta, white bread

low GI - sweet potatoes, brown rice, chewy (al dente) pasta

theyre just quick examples. a google search will give hundreds