Bsst mass gainer?

dohc

Whats the best mass gainer for putting on weight that works well with a balanced diet?

rubadub

Milk is good & cheap. Most commercial "mass gainer" brands are just overpriced sugar.

dohc

How much milk would you want to be drinking a day.I want to gain about a stone over the next few months

madmik

aim for a gallon if you can

I heard a famous strongman used to drink 2 gallons a day

dohc

Thats like 4.5 litres thats alot of milk.Is that not bad for you

madmik

is there anything out there that isnt bad for u?

dohc

Ha thats true but its tough going to be honest i would find it hard to do that,Is whey protein not the same nutrional value as milk.ie the shakes would stop me having to drink that much milk everyday

madmik

if you drank 1 litre of milk with every meal or between meals ud get it down

like anything else it would take a bbit of getting used to

im sure the problems asscoiated with it could be minimised by building up slowly

too much whey protein causes mucus build up as well as too much milk but if your training hard it shouldnt be a problem

rubadub

madmik wrote: »

aim for a gallon if you can

I heard a famous strongman used to drink 2 gallons a day

The recommended gallon is usually referring to US gallons ~3.8L, while imperial is ~4.5L.

They also recommend whole milk. 1L of whole milk is ~640kcal, so in 1 week that is 4480kcal if getting 1L per day. In theory you need 3500kcal to put on 1lb of fat, so that is over 1lb per week. But I am not sure if putting on muscle would be the same as fat, i.e. I would expect you might need more energy to create new muscle than new fat.

Increase other foods, big bowl of oats for breakfast. Natural unsalted peanut butter sandwiches on wholemeal bread is another easy way to get calories in.

I personally could not manage much more than 2L of milk a day, I would be sick of it!

dohc

Yeah i dont think i could take in more than 2 litres of milk i would be sick.
So in theory i would want to be eating more animal protein chicken etc and peanut butter sambos.I feel i might need a supplement as i dont think i am getting enough calories /protein a day.
Or maybe i might need somebody to point me into the proper set meals

Brian?

dohc wrote: »

Yeah i dont think i could take in more than 2 litres of milk i would be sick.
So in theory i would want to be eating more animal protein chicken etc and peanut butter sambos.I feel i might need a supplement as i dont think i am getting enough calories /protein a day.
Or maybe i might need somebody to point me into the proper set meals

I wouldn't go jumping into buying supplements before you sort your diet out first.

2 litres of milk a day seems a bit savage alright, but there's people out there who do it. There's a fair amount of info in the stickies and over on the diet and nutrition forum about good healthy sources of protein.

My advice would be to purchase half a cow.

quirkster

eat eat eat

keep high GI carbs to post workout but other than that, eat all carbs + protein + fat sources you can find.eating more calories than what your body needs to maintain what it currently has, coupled with a good weights program is what will make you grow

billyhead

Steak and eggs. Drink Milk.

BossArky

1) If you eat loads and don't workout at all you will gain fat as the muscles are not stimulated to grow.

2) If you eat loads and don't workout enough with a decent weights program you will gain fat (and a bit of muscle) as the muscles are not stimulated enough to grow to their potential. This is a common mistake and reason why you get people on here complaining about bellys, etc even though they workout umpteen times per week.

3) If you eat loads and workout hard with a decent weights program you will gain mostly muscle as the muscles are stimulated to their maximum growth potential. You don't need to kill yourself. Work hard ~3 times in the gym for <45mins concentrating on compound exercises.

If you think you are at scenario 3 and still getting nowhere... then stuff yourself all day, drink milk till you look like casper... and horse a double helping of pasta into yourself before bed. You'll put on weight.

arybvtcw0eolkf

rubadub wrote: »

I personally could not manage much more than 2L of milk a day, I would be sick of it!

Just as a side note on increasing your food intake.

Just like you would with weights/fitness, you need to increase it gradually.

I.E. if your daily intake is 2500kcals start increasing it slightly until your at your desired cal intake.

A dramatic increase will sicken most people and won't allow your body to adapt to using those extra cals as fuel.

rubadub

Also to make the milk nicer you could add flavouring. I got sugar free strawberry flavouring from myprotein and it is very nice, and strong, I am using half what they recommend and it has enough flavour (I expected the opposite, bragging they give you loads of portions).

I stick it in my oats too in the morning instead of some other sugar based flavouring.

itsallaboutheL

i got an ultimate nutrition mass gainer today so i could look at marcus ruhl!! i'll try it this week and see how fat i get!!:D

Jimmy Bottlehead

Actually, will you do a review if your first impressions of the Ultimate Nutrition stuff?

itsallaboutheL

That i will i'll stick it in supplements, im not hoping for much, i only had a quick look at the nutritional info, must sit down wit it when i get home. I think theres only 9 "servings" in it, literally bought it coz it was the first thing i saw........after ruhl obniously!! i think its best described by my buddy as 55grams of protein with 500 calories of mashed up fruit pastilles!

IronLifter

Sticking with the question.

MASS X By nutrition X. 600 cals a shake. SWEET:D

madmik

IronLifter wrote: »

Sticking with the question.

MASS X By nutrition X. 600 cals a shake. SWEET:D

ud be safer using serious mass by optimum nutrition

1250 cals per shake including,protein,creatine,glutamine as well i think

and its god damn delicious

u could drink it for pleasure alone

Jimmy Bottlehead

madmik wrote: »

ud be safer using serious mass by optimum nutrition

1250 cals per shake including,protein,creatine,glutamine as well i think

and its god damn delicious

u could drink it for pleasure alone

I don't get how its safer?

Also I'd have figured that 2x 600 calorie shakes were easier for the body to deal with over two meal periods than one huge shake?

madmik

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

I don't get how its safer?

Also I'd have figured that 2x 600 calorie shakes were easier for the body to deal with over two meal periods than one huge shake?

obviously not safer safer!

but in my opininon the on brand is way better than the brand the op was using (i have used both)

2 small shakes are easier to manage than 1 big shake but it depends how badly u need the extra calories
im going for maximum possible calories so i need to forget about moderation

Cousin it

Ha, this is hilarious. I've been looking for a way to gain mass without going insane on diets or spending my non-existant money on suppliments and now I find out that MILK is the answer!!! Goddamnit! I usually drink at least two litres a day if not three and yet am still a skinny wreck. I Usually workout 3 times a week minimum (nowhere near enough i agree). Hilarious though that all this time I've been horsin the milk into me it should have been helping. Dang

madmik

Cousin it wrote: »

Ha, this is hilarious. I've been looking for a way to gain mass without going insane on diets or spending my non-existant money on suppliments and now I find out that MILK is the answer!!! Goddamnit! I usually drink at least two litres a day if not three and yet am still a skinny wreck. I Usually workout 3 times a week minimum (nowhere near enough i agree). Hilarious though that all this time I've been horsin the milk into me it should have been helping. Dang

on t-nation some trainers advocate the drinking of at least 1 gallon of milk a day

3 times a week is ample if your doing a smart program

u have to understand if ur skinny that more training isnt the answer,most people fail in the nutrition department

it took me years before i learned but when the penny dropped i started putting on muscle rapidly

when i started eating right and resting 2+days between workouts i put on 3stone and my waist stayed more of less the same

itsallaboutheL

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Actually, will you do a review if your first impressions of the Ultimate Nutrition stuff?

Tastes like pink sugary water!

I cant take the full four scoops coz i WILL turn into the blob!

Thinking of doing an adapted V diet minus the fat burners and using the massgainer for two of the shakes......

Hanley

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

Thinking of doing an adapted V diet minus the fat burners and using the massgainer for two of the shakes......

How did you come up with something so illogical? You're going on a brutal diet, which you plan to use sugary weight gain shakes on??

madmik wrote: »

1250 cals per shake including,protein,creatine,glutamine as well i think

WAY too high a kcal/serving size if you're taking ore than one a day tbh!

itsallaboutheL

i have no money and less coommon sense. i thought it was obvious!!

was plannin on usin half a serving in the morning, half after workout.

Its all dave tates fault.

Hanley

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

Its all dave tates fault.

??

madmik

Hanley wrote: »

How did you come up with something so illogical? You're going on a brutal diet, which you plan to use sugary weight gain shakes on??



WAY too high a kcal/serving size if you're taking ore than one a day tbh!

i take two of those per day so 2500 calories from weight gain shakes

and about 3/4 normal meals

i go to boxing training which burns loads of calories,and go to a regular gym and also lift at home


ive noticed that with my schedule i start losing weight on less than 5000 calories a day so it works well

might make some people fat but not me

Hanley

madmik wrote: »

i take two of those per day so 2500 calories from weight gain shakes

and about 3/4 normal meals

i go to boxing training which burns loads of calories,and go to a regular gym and also lift at home


ive noticed that with my schedule i start losing weight on less than 5000 calories a day so it works well

might make some people fat but not me

You need to qualify what you're saying then....

There's not many people on here that would expend that many calories over the course of a day!!

And there's a lot of people who take things at face value who wouldn;t know any better (Tony Quinn, maximuscle supplements etc... those types of people!)

itsallaboutheL

Hanley wrote: »

??

Looked like an animal after the v-diet.

surely a link on elitefts, its def somewhere on t-nation

and no i have no delusions of turning into dave tate after it!

I know its the lazy option, but i find if i hit a weight i can maintain it.

Hanley

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

Looked like an animal after the v-diet.

surely a link on elitefts, its def somewhere on t-nation

and no i have no delusions of turning into dave tate after it!

I know its the lazy option, but i find if i hit a weight i can maintain it.

Didn't Dave Tate do most of his intial diet work with John Berardi and his Precision Nutrition system tho?? And then moved on to work with Justin Harris and Shelby Starnes from Troopin??

itsallaboutheL

i think he initialy did the V-diet late 05 early 06 as a quick fix coz he was under pressure...

However now that you mention it i could be very wrong. Its still something i would like to try purely for research purposes, im just curious, its been said by exponents of the diet that it changes you aproach to food psychologicaly speaking, i think it would be interesting........

I do know he did alot of work with toropin nutrition alright so you're probably right

Hanley

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

i think he initialy did the V-diet late 05 early 06 as a quick fix coz he was under pressure...

However now that you mention it i could be very wrong. Its still something i would like to try purely for research purposes, im just curious, its been said by exponents of the diet that it changes you aproach to food psychologicaly speaking, i think it would be interesting........

I do know he did alot of work with toropin nutrition alright so you're probably right

Ya could be thinking of Dan John?

itsallaboutheL

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/dave_tate_2.htm

Do you know what, this was the link i was looking for and i've completely disproved my theory th\at dave tate went on the V diet!

Roper

I think you should drink 8 of those shakes a day. You'd get HUGE and RIPPED!

Massgainers should sponsor the Darwin awards.

delllat

Hanley wrote: »

You need to qualify what you're saying then....

There's not many people on here that would expend that many calories over the course of a day!!

And there's a lot of people who take things at face value who wouldn;t know any better (Tony Quinn, maximuscle supplements etc... those types of people!)

now that u mention tony quinn ,i have a funny story about that arsehole

i was standing outside his "shop" in the jervis centre today looking a before and after advertisement for weight loss or something

he came running out with a leaflet in his hand wanting me to take the leaflet and go to that place he was advertising

I started laughing and walked away and he called after us "whats wrong -No Money?

Id rather die than give that rip-off kunt a cent

funny sales pitch though...if they wont sign up try and insinuate they cant afford to!

cant wait to see him go bust

itsallaboutheL

Roper wrote: »

I think you should drink 8 of those shakes a day. You'd get HUGE and RIPPED!

Massgainers should sponsor the Darwin awards.

no comment

Roper

delllat wrote: »

now that u mention tony quinn ,i have a funny story about that arsehole

i was standing outside his "shop" in the jervis centre today looking a before and after advertisement for weight loss or something

he came running out with a leaflet in his hand wanting me to take the leaflet and go to that place he was advertising

I started laughing and walked away and he called after us "whats wrong -No Money?

Id rather die than give that rip-off kunt a cent

funny sales pitch though...if they wont sign up try and insinuate they cant afford to!

cant wait to see him go bust

Actual Tony Quinn or one of his brainwashed minions? You'd think with the reports of all the €€€ he's alledgedly getting from people he'd be above the kiosks. I wonder sometimes though if a lot of the rumoured amounts he's supposed to be worth are spread about by him to make himself seem like a more successful "guru".

Roper

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

no comment

Hmmm right, probably unneccessarily harsh I'll admit. But let me put it another way.

You're citing Dave Tate here. Now Tate is not a part timer, or a weekend warrior. He does not train in total fitness or the like and he does not go to work 9-5pm and sit at a computer or swing a pick axe and wheel a barrow all day. If I'm not too mistaken, you're probably referring to the post-cut Tate, and the photo of him with the monstorous, vascular arms? What worked for Tate will work for Tate. It's also a given that he only put up the sexy stuff he did to be in that shape on the web, and the dull years before that are not included.

Now you're talking about putting 2,500 calories, the average male's entire intake for the entire day, in two shakes, and then having your meals on top of that so that you can bulk to be like Tate? I don't know you or have anything to do with you but I'm willing to bet good money that after 6 weeks of this diet you will be a whole lot fatter and not a whole lot stronger. People see the term "mass gain" and they think they're going to be Rainier Wolfcastle, and 9 out of 10 cats just end up fatter and in worse shape. The big "cut" at the end is always coming (just want to gain another couple of kgs on the bench and then I'll do it) or they start the cut and realise it's too hard.

Read Transform's "in the well" thread there. Some good advice on how to get big and be in great shape in that. V diet this and Massgainer that get you 6 weeks of nowhere.

delllat

Roper wrote: »

Actual Tony Quinn or one of his brainwashed minions? You'd think with the reports of all the €€€ he's alledgedly getting from people he'd be above the kiosks. I wonder sometimes though if a lot of the rumoured amounts he's supposed to be worth are spread about by him to make himself seem like a more successful "guru".

im not sure if it was the man himself or just a manager with tonys dick up his ass since i dont know what tony quinn actually looks like

i read this about him though which was interesting:

Beware of the guru
Irishman's empire hits Scotland

The Daily Record, UK/August 28, 2006
By Annie Brown

Scots are being targeted by a "cult" which charges £12,000 for mind-training seminars.

Educo, led by hypnotherapist and former butcher Dr Tony Quinn (below), has been accused of manipulating the minds of its followers and plunging people into debt.

A cult watchdog in Quinn's native Ireland claimed yesterday that people who sign up for his programme could be putting their health and sanity at risk.

And now one of the lifestyle guru's most devoted admirers is bringing his teachings to Scotland.

Dr Mhairi Livingston, an immunologist, is recruiting members to her new franchise, Educo-gym Scotland. She has set up one gym in Glasgow and hopes to open 500 branches across the country.

Those who sign up pay £300 for a 12-day health and fitness course - £200 for a dozen 15-minute weight training sessions, and £100 for five nutritional supplements bearing Quinn's own health label.

Educo members are encouraged to be obsessive about fitness and diet, to use Quinn's supplements, and to drink his own brand of distilled water.

But Dr Livingston also talks enthusiastically to those who sign up about the benefits of Quinn's £12,000 self-help seminars.

She claims that Quinn, a former adviser to boxing champion Steve Collins, has used faith healing to cure cancer.

And she encouraged an undercover Daily Record reporter who joined the gym course to borrow £12,000 on a credit card so she could attend one of his mind-training events.

The central theme of 60-year-old Quinn's teachings is that people can make things happen by believing in them strongly enough. He claims he can help people to tap into their unconscious minds and become a "super you".

He holds his two-week seminars once a month in exotic locations. The next event will take place next month in a luxury hotel on the French Riviera.

Dr Livingston speaks in glowing terms about Quinn's power to change the lives of his followers.

She said: "He has cured people of cancer and all sorts of things.

"There was a girl at one of his seminars and she had a lump under her arm She said her mum had died of it.

"Tony said, 'What lump?' He refused to acknowledge she had a lump under her arm and the next day it was gone."

Dr Livingstone also claimed that during one of his seminars, held in the Bahamas, Quinn popped out in the lunch break to "heal people".

She told our investigator: "Not many people in Scotland know about Tony. I want to let people in Scotland know about him because I believe that what I learned has made me much more certain of my success and now I don't have any doubts.

"He just makes it all seem so simple. His main ethos is do nothing, let your unconscious mind show you where to go."

Dr Livingstone said she had borrowed £12,000 on a credit card to go to one of Quinn's seminars, and encouraged our reporter to do the same.

The Record investigator said she worried about getting into debt, but Dr Livingstone told her that was "a short-term focus".

She said: "Interest-free credit cards are begging you to take them out. They give you a year's interest-free credit, so you can just pay that off as the year goes on.

"Some people remortgage their houses. It's a great way to get money because you get the lowest possible interest rate.

"You don't even notice the difference in your monthly outgoings."

Some people who attend Quinn's seminars go on to take part in his more intensive "Mind Masters" course, where the guru reads the "auras" of his followers to reveal their true destinies.

The Mind Masters course costs £40,000 for two weeks. A personal consultation with Quinn costs £100,000.

Quinn's website claims that he commands the highest fees of any mind trainer in the world. He is rumoured to have made £1million in a month.

Supporters of Educo claim that Quinn's techniques help followers become happy, wealthy and successful.

But medical psychologist Dr John Butler, of King's College London, said it was "more than fair" to refer to Educo as a cult.

He added: "Many people have been drawn to the organisation hoping for a miracle, financially, physically and mentally."

Mike Garde, of cult watchdog Dialogue Ireland, has blamed the "cultish" activities of Educo for traumatising followers and their families.

He said: "It has affected many Quinn followers psychologically.

"They are taught to believe only in positive theory and not to take account of anything negative, so they don't see failure coming.

"When it does come, they blame themselves rather than Quinn."

Garde said Quinn's seminars create "an enclosed environment, where the person gets only one source of information".

He added: "Any other information is seen as negative and evil. That's how you get followers to see black is white and white is black."

Critics have questioned whether people attending Quinn's seminars are placed under a hypnotic influence. A female follower talks on the guru's website about being placed in a deep state of "unconscious attention".

Garde believes Educo Gyms are used as recruiting grounds for Quinn's seminars. And he warned Scots to beware of getting involved in Quinn's organisation.

He said: "Bear in mind it's not just a bit of exercise you are taking. It may be an exercise that could cost you your time, your health, your wealth and your sanity in the longer term."

The Record spoke to a man in Ireland who said his marriage collapsed after his wife joined Educo.

The man, a teacher who asked not to be named, told us: "You don't want this organisation in Scotland.

"It's very destructive. It ruins people's lives."

The man said his wife spent all her savings to attend three Quinn seminars, and took a 60per cent pay cut to go and work for him.

Her obsession plunged her into debt and left her estranged from her family.

The man said: "Her whole loyalty, all her focus, was on things Tony wanted her to do. I couldn't get through to her.

"When my nephew recovered from meningitis, she suggested Tony had healed him. If I got a promotion, Tony had done it.

"When I told her it was Tony or me, she said she had to follow her beliefs.

"Tony says he changes lives. He changed mine for the worse."

Quinn worked as a butcher in Ireland before reinventing himself in the 1980s as a body-builder and yoga guru.

He studied hypnotherapy, and rose to fame in 1995 when he worked as a psychological trainer for Steve Collins before a title fight with Chris Eubank.

Since then, he has made millions from his fitness and self-help empire. He owns a palatial home in the Bahamas with two swimming pools and a private beach.

One of Quinn's senior aides, Martin Forde, denied that Educo was a cult.

And he insisted that Quinn has never claimed to have cured cancer, saying: "That would be ridiculous."

Forde, who is responsible for the Educo Gyms operation, said Quinn was the highest-paid and most effective mind trainer in the world.

Asked if anyone had suffered from becoming involved with Educo, he repeatedly insisted: "The level of satisfaction is incredibly high - about 97 per cent."

Forde said any dissatisfied customers could "come and talk to us".

When confronted by our reporter, Dr Livingstone insisted Tony Quinn had changed her life for the better.

She said: "I can imagine that someone who is so unbelievably successful in what he does is going to be under attack from people who don't want to believe what he does."

Dr Livingstone said she was only offering people options when she advised borrowing money to go to Quinn seminars.

She told the Record's investigator: "All I was telling you was the benefits of the business. I have absolutely zero concerns. I think the guy is fantastic.

"If you get into debt buying a three-piece suite, do you blame the shop?

"I think Tony comes from the heart and is the most honest guy I have ever met. You are trying to sabotage my business."

itsallaboutheL

Roper wrote: »

Hmmm right, probably unneccessarily harsh I'll admit. But let me put it another way.

You're citing Dave Tate here. Now Tate is not a part timer, or a weekend warrior. He does not train in total fitness or the like and he does not go to work 9-5pm and sit at a computer or swing a pick axe and wheel a barrow all day. If I'm not too mistaken, you're probably referring to the post-cut Tate, and the photo of him with the monstorous, vascular arms? What worked for Tate will work for Tate. It's also a given that he only put up the sexy stuff he did to be in that shape on the web, and the dull years before that are not included.

Now you're talking about putting 2,500 calories, the average male's entire intake for the entire day, in two shakes, and then having your meals on top of that so that you can bulk to be like Tate? I don't know you or have anything to do with you but I'm willing to bet good money that after 6 weeks of this diet you will be a whole lot fatter and not a whole lot stronger. People see the term "mass gain" and they think they're going to be Rainier Wolfcastle, and 9 out of 10 cats just end up fatter and in worse shape. The big "cut" at the end is always coming (just want to gain another couple of kgs on the bench and then I'll do it) or they start the cut and realise it's too hard.

Read Transform's "in the well" thread there. Some good advice on how to get big and be in great shape in that. V diet this and Massgainer that get you 6 weeks of nowhere.

i had said earlier that i had no delusions of looking like dave tate, im well aware ill end up looking like a worm. and im pretty sure i had said somewhere that there was no way in hell i was taking full servings of that mass gainer ( which by the way i bought to see marcus ruhl, in general i wouldnt go near a mass gainer i think there a ridiculous concept, kinda like an anti lipotrim)


i have been reading in the well also, have to hand it to him he does know his ****! at the same time im not a complete pleb (as ur kind of implying) in the whole sphere of am... "getting big" and know full well i'll probaby turn into a stick of sorts, but **** it i'm going to do it for ah research purposes! friend of mine is a nutritional scientist and wants to see the results!!

I am to be a guinea pig!

delllat

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

i had said earlier that i had no delusions of looking like dave tate, im well aware ill end up looking like a worm. and im pretty sure i had said somewhere that there was no way in hell i was taking full servings of that mass gainer ( which by the way i bought to see marcus ruhl, in general i wouldnt go near a mass gainer i think there a ridiculous concept, kinda like an anti lipotrim)


i have been reading in the well also, have to hand it to him he does know his ****! at the same time im not a complete pleb (as ur kind of implying) in the whole sphere of am... "getting big" and know full well i'll probaby turn into a stick of sorts, but **** it i'm going to do it for ah research purposes! friend of mine is a nutritional scientist and wants to see the results!!

I am to be a guinea pig!

mass gainers are not a ridiculous concept

neither are they magic

they are a high calorie food supplemeent

nothing more,nothing less

theyre useful for skinny or fast metabolism people to get in extra calories that would be too difficult to digest when thhyre already eating X solid meals a day

theyre not good for fat people or slow metabolism people obviously but they do have their place

itsallaboutheL

delllat wrote: »

mass gainers are not a ridiculous concept

neither are they magic

they are a high calorie food supplemeent

nothing more,nothing less

theyre useful for skinny or fast metabolism people to get in extra calories that would be too difficult to digest when thhyre already eating X solid meals a day

theyre not good for fat people or slow metabolism people obviously but they do have their place

some would say the same about lipotrim,.

useful in extreme cases

EDIT: i dont agree with my above statement!!

madmik

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

some would say the same about lipotrim,.

useful in extreme cases

i dont even know what lipotrim is so i cant comment on it but i have found weight gainers to be personally useful

just dont buy the cheapest ones if u can help it

the better ones are loaded with,protein,complex carbs,creatine,and other good stuff

the cheapest ones are large bags of flavoured sugar