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24-01-2009 8:35am#1
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I didn't watch the video, but I did google one of the guys you mention. Michael Tsarion. If he's a CTer of some sort he sure keeps some strange company. Maybe he's working from the inside.
http://www.outlawjournalism.com/news/?p=6520
It depends on who or what you believe yourself i guess, Mike does respond to him....he also challenges him to produce his own documents and he wins the challenge....arguements could be made that he is being discredited because of the info he has and the research he has done,either way the material he covers can point you in the right direction, here was one of the responses to the link you gave me, the general tone is like this, but you will always have to make your mind up for yourself....some agree some disagree...this to me is a well thought out response
Precarious333 Says:
December 25th, 2007 at 9:53 am Quote
Andre, what are you doing falling in with religious zealots? God knows I love ya, but where is your head? If you are taking the lead from people who believe in the literal resurrection of a magical man who turned water to wine and walked on water?!? Hahaha! What the hell are you thinking? Have you been shacking up with Natasha? (… that’s a joke, laugh it up.)
If Tsarion is evil and guilty for dealing with Rosicrucians, etc., then I suppose you are guilty by association for all the crimes of Christianity. Deny being Christian, but what’s the difference? Guilt by association in most cases is complete bull****, and cheap and easy COINTELPRO! We could all be accused of all manner of nonsense just by our associations with others here on MySpace. Where does that get us? This is the tactic of those self-defeating conspiracy enthusiasts who see the devil in every shadow as they clutch their Holy Bible to their racing hearts.
The fascist tactic of rudely accusing others and expecting them to prove their innocence in not very becoming. Nice move. Wrong direction.
Tsarion has done allot to teach others the meaning of symbols that have remained hidden throughout history. I’m not here to defend him. He’s a big boy. He can defend himself or choose to call his accusers out if he so chooses. I don’t believe all he promotes, but there again I can’t think of anyone I agree with 100%. That’s the beauty of having a free and thinking mind.
The bottom line is the proof is in the pudding…
In terms your new Christian buddies can understand: “By their fruits shall Ye know them.” Matt 7:16
So what exactly has Tsarion promoted that is disinformation - rather than his personal opinion? Or what is it he has done that your Christian buddies identify as evil - aside from denying the obvious myths they take as history? What is stated in your commentary suggest he is an agent, which suggests he is pushing an agenda. So what is that agenda? If there is one, that would be important information to spread so others could shield themselves from it. I don’t see that. All I’m seeing is vague accusations of guilt by association.
What are we to defend ourselves from in regard to Mr. Tsarion? Please state this valuable information if you have it. Otherwise all you are doing is muddying the waters and generating fear within an already fracturing “truth community”. I’m sorry but stating that his mission is to “create mass confusion among our movement” is a cop out. Who is confused by what here? I don’t see any single leader or perspective within “our movement”. I don’t see everyone following Tsarion. I see allot of people using their own minds to decide whether or not information/ideas are believable on a point-by-point basis. None (of those I associate with anyway) take anyone at their word or believe all any other says as fact.
If the mission was to create a new religion he and all the others you consider agents would be pushing the same story, the same ideas, the same talking points. You need all the sheep in line to get them to the slaughter house. I don’t see that happening either. Aside from that, why would the agenda be to create a new religion unless one understands that religion is a very affective control mechanism? In which case, why can’t your Christian buddies see what they are a part of?
* * * THE OLD CONTROL SYSTEM * * *
In my humble opinion, I would suggest your Christian zealot friends direct their ire at those who openly corrupt what they hold sacred, such as Pat Robertson and his despicable ilk. Seems a little odd to be throwing negative energy at Tsarion when there are much more obvious and productive targets. But that’s just me. I tend to be logical and logic is not the strong suite of the Christian community.
As far the symbols used by the various organization shown in this blog
http://illusionsforum.net/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=998 :
You will always see a crossover of symbolism between diverse and even unrelated orders. For instance the Nazi’s use of the Buddhist Swastika, The Jewish acclimation of the “Star of David” from earlier occult symbols, the Christian use of innumerable so-called pagan symbols. Doesn’t mean there is a connection. It’s an expression of the universal appeal of symbols, which is exactly what Tsarion is trying to show in his ‘The Subversive Use of Sacred Symbolism in the Media’ video.
Symbols - like wisdom, like technology, like words - are neutral. They can be used for good or ill, to illuminate or occlude. They may be used in the light of truth or reversed in meaning. All depends on the context and application. Case in point: The Patriot Act. Not very patriotic at all but the symbol of patriotism is used to delude and misdirect. Is the ideal of patriotism somehow tainted by this misuse? No. Nor is the true meaning of the sun symbol of the swastika simply because the Nazis misused it.
What the blogger fails to take notice of is the most obvious symbol used in nearly all he’s posted. And that is the CROSS! Why is he not then accusing these organization of being Christian??? I mean, “Christian Rozenkruis” is an obvious reference to Christ, Christianity AND the cross. And the triangles could very well point to the Trinity, couldn’t they? If we follow his logic that should be the ultimate conclusion. Why is he not stating that?
Perhaps the particular brainwashing suffered by the author precludes accepting this connection which is most obvious to we who see the world without the blinders of Christianity?
My point is there will always be truths most easily and completely expressed as symbols and their geometric content and ratios. And those symbols will always be open to interpretation, misunderstanding and misuse. All religions and occult societies use them, as do corporations, sports teams and so on. They will always be around being used to represent different things depending on who is using them and for what purpose.
What’s more, the author of that blog obviously has ZERO understanding of any occult philosophies making his opinions next to worthless. He repeatedly states “wow more fancy stuff” when encountering ideas or words he doesn’t understand. Someone spouting half-assed ideas about things they don’t understand? THAT is disinformation, my friend.
So this drivel is the inspiration for the hit piece? Seriously? What a joke. Very disappointing…
Well that was a fun rant…
Have a merry Christ-mass! Everyone go blow your Illuminati Eye-on-the-Pyramid dollars on useless **** from COMMUNIST Red China in the name of Baby Jesus!
nyarlothothep wrote: »Things have changed, for the better (freedom of speech, the semblance of a democracy, kind of), but what hasn't changed is the continuous battle to be waged on elites who hate the very notion of democracy. The best thing to do is do your own research and trust no one, organize a resistance cell, cover your tracks etc.
for the better? we disagree my friend, but i agree with the last part, do you own research. but hopefully someone who does their own research will actually do something about it for a change, unlike me who posted on a bloody forum!
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Obama was elected because he is the exact opposite of Bush! simple as
That is what the country and world needed to pacify the people, another Clinton who will do alot of harm but will just smile and people will believe he can do no wrong!!
my belief, not presented as fact......
I understand what you are saying though, but when you talk about freedom of speech i have to wonder!0 -
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