Ken Shamrock - Just Let It Go?

Karmafaerie

"The World’s Most Dangerous Man” is angry.

“I’ve had a string of bad luck,” Ken Shamrock said on Sherdog Radio Network’s “Beatdown” on Wednesday. “My ability to get things done in the ring is still there. I wouldn’t do it if I couldn’t. But trainings have gone well and it’s really just a few injuries that have kept me from cutting loose.”

Shamrock goes into 2009 on the heels of a problematic 2008 in which Shamrock was front and center during what many call the beginning of the end for EliteXC last October. The 44-year-old legend, winless in his last five outings, was forced to pull out of his bout with Kevin “Kimbo Slice” Ferguson on CBS the day of, due to an injury he suffered while rolling.

Shamrock wasn’t pleased with how Pro Elite, the owners of the failed promotion, reacted to his misfortune.

“I think the way they handled it that night and afterwards with these accusations from them that I shouldn’t have been rolling and all these opinions being talked about,” said Shamrock. “But this is what I do. I haven’t done anything different. To try and find an avenue in which you could put the blame on upset me as opposed to them just saying it was a shame. If you don’t have proof, why would you do something like that? When you’re wrong, how do you take that back?”

But the sport moves on and Shamrock (26-13-2) isn’t ready to get off the carousel just yet.

The UFC Hall of Famer springs back into action on Feb. 13 against 300-pound super heavyweight Ross Clifton (6-8) at “The Valentine’s Eve Massacre, a co-promoted event between Ken Shamrock Productions and Wargods.

“We wanted to do Bo Cantrell and John Marsh but neither of those fights were able to happen,” Shamrock said. “Bo Cantrell blew his knee out and John Marsh couldn’t get ready in time. So we were looking to see what we could put together on short notice. This one seemed very interesting to me because if I was a fan looking at this fight it would peak my interest as to how you would beat a guy that big. It would be tough to take him down and submit him but you probably could once you got him to the ground because he doesn’t move very well. But you don’t want to end up on the bottom.”

Shamrock hopes this is the start of a successful string of fights for himself and his burgeoning promotion. Bouts with adopted brother Frank Shamrock and UFC contemporary Tank Abbott loom on the horizon as well.

“This has been a fight that’s been trying to happen for years,” said Shamrock. “Every time I try to turn the page to the next fight there’s always the question, ‘Are you going to fight Tank?’ And it seems no matter how many times he loses or I lose or we win or wherever we go the question keeps coming up. So why not? Lets put it on and let’s get it over with.”

Though he’s been down on his luck of late, Shamrock doesn’t seem to have a shortage of challengers. Word of a potential bout against former UFC heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia also circulated last December. But the news came as just as big of a surprise to Shamrock as anyone else.

“There was one meeting on the phone with one of their people asking about a fight doing something like that,” Shamrock said. “We told them that I wouldn’t do the fight now but maybe down the road something could happen. But then all of a sudden there was talk of this fight happening and I didn’t know anything about it. We were four weeks away from the fight and I was just finding out. There was a miscommunication there I believe, messages got crossed up along the way.”

A list of potential matchups continues to grow, but Shamrock can only say that Clifton is next. The UFC 1 veteran has been subject to much scrutiny because he hasn’t won a fight since 2004, but Shamrock insists he can still fight and will retire on his own terms.

“When I lose the will to want to do it and I can’t get past the injuries,” said Shamrock. “I am healing up. I’m getting better. I know I’m getting better. But there will be a point in time where your body just hurts too much. Right now I feel I’m taking it to some of these guys I’m training with who hold belts. I know what I’m capable of doing. I just have to get in there and do it. That’s what I’m working for right now. The next couple of fights people are going to get in there and see that and those people are going to have to jump on those blogs and apologize about my abilities and my fighting. I will prove them wrong.”

Surely the 4 years since you've last wn are a sign Ken.
It's getting to the stage where you're tarnishing your record.

rovert

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Surely the 4 years since you've last wn are a sign Ken.
It's getting to the stage where you're tarnishing your record.

He doesnt care he needs the money after squandering most of it. He should worry more about brain damage after all those quick ko's he had in recent years.

Karmafaerie

rovert wrote: »

He doesnt care he needs the money after squandering most of it. He should worry more about brain damage after all those quick ko's he had in recent years.

I;m not so sure if it's money, although God knows he did squander it.
I really think that he's not prepared to give in.
Part of him thinks that he's the same man he was 17 years ago.

How did he squander his money? Surely he must still be a millionaire a few times over

rovert

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

How did he squander his money? Surely he must still be a millionaire a few times over

His manager took lots of it, he made bad investments, ploughed a lot of money into the Lions Den and he has had substance abuse problems. He was broke by the time he left the WWF in 1999 which is mind boggling as he was a featured star there in a time of peak business. But I don’t know how much he made for TUF & his return to the UFC.

Clive

Fighters fight.

Nothingcompares

As long as KS passes his pre fight medicals and is medically fit to fight I'll fully supportive of his desire to fight.

agardiner22

Ali passed his medicals for his later fights and we know what happened there,
its time For Ken to quit even if he is still game.

rovert

Nothingcompares wrote: »

As long as KS passes his pre fight medicals and is medically fit to fight I'll fully supportive of his desire to fight.

And if this isnt sanctioned?

Clive wrote: »

Fighters fight.

Grrr

Nothingcompares

rovert wrote: »

And if this isnt sanctioned?

If it isn't sanctioned it isn't sanctioned. I'm sure KS has a personal physician that knows the score and will tell him if he needs checks or if fighting is much more dangerous for him then for someone else.

When shamrock starts getting beat up in his gym by **** guys he'll know when to hang the gloves up.

rovert

Nothingcompares wrote: »

If it isn't sanctioned it isn't sanctioned. I'm sure KS has a personal physician that knows the score and will tell him if he needs checks or if fighting is much more dangerous for him then for someone else.

Either that or he'll just give him pills and get Ken's autograph.

Nothingcompares

well if you're going to get beaten up you as may as well be cheerful.

Clive

It is not the critic who counts, not the one who points out how the strong man stumbled or how the doer of deeds might have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred with sweat and dust and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, if he wins, knows the triumph of high achievement; and who, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat.

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Kent Brockman

Haven't we been here before ? http://ringoftruth.info/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=289

rovert

Clive wrote: »

It is not the critic who counts, not the one who points out how the strong man stumbled or how the doer of deeds might have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred with sweat and dust and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, if he wins, knows the triumph of high achievement; and who, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat. .

I doubt Ken would ever be able to recite that as lovely as it is Clive. The only thing I’m being “critical” about is letting fighters past their prime and who have shown in previous fights to be distressingly quickly and easily ko'd fight. I think that is more healthy than propagating macho bull**** notions.

Clive

rovert wrote: »

The only thing I’m being “critical” about is letting fighters past their prime and have shown in previous to be distressingly easily ko'd.

Really? I don't want to get into some tit-for-tat stupidity, but look at some of the things you've just written:

rovert wrote: »

I doubt Ken would ever be able to recite that as lovely as it is Clive.

rovert wrote: »

He doesnt care he needs the money after squandering most of it. He should worry more about brain damage after all those quick ko's he had in recent years.

rovert wrote: »

His manager took lots of it, he made bad investments, ploughed a lot of money into the Lions Den and he has had substance abuse problems. He was broke by the time he left the WWF in 1999 which is mind boggling as he was a featured star there in a time of peak business. But I don’t know how much he made for TUF & his return to the UFC.

rovert wrote: »

And if this isnt sanctioned?

rovert wrote: »

Either that or he'll just give him pills and get Ken's autograph.

Now you can argue that some of them are true, but saying that someone is brain damaged and fighting because they're broke after stupid investments and drug problems is pretty critical in my world. Now you may be a medical expert for all I know, but I'm pretty sure you're not qualified to say whether Ken Shamrock is fit to fight or not.

You may not like him, or want to see him fight, but don't lay into the man on a personal level.

rovert wrote: »

I think that is more healthy that propagating macho bull**** notions.

Yes Roosevelt was known for his macho bull**** notions alright.
:rolleyes:

rovert

Clive wrote: »

Really? I don't want to get into some tit-for-tat stupidity, but look at some of the things you've just written:

Now you can argue that some of them are true, but saying that someone is brain damaged and fighting because they're broke after stupid investments and drug problems is pretty critical in my world. Now you may be a medical expert for all I know, but I'm pretty sure you're not qualified to say whether Ken Shamrock is fit to fight or not.

You may not like him, or want to see him fight, but don't lay into the man on a personal level.

I do like him Clive thats why I followed him and know so much about him. I resent calling what I wrote stupidity when if fact you cant refute any of it.
An inability to with stand blows to the head is in a sign of brain damage.
Ive read Ken's own book, The Wrestling Observer for years and Total MMA each of them talk about Ken's problems, what I posted are all on the record facts.

Clive wrote: »

Yes Roosevelt was known for his macho bull**** notions alright.
:rolleyes:

Applying them to this context it is.

Roper

Macho bull**** notions?

Ken is the real deal, he has nothing to prove by being "macho" he has been in and done it all while some of the current crop were still in nappies and if the man is fit and able to fight (he always seems to be, he's in amazing shape) then why not. Personally, I would like to see him quit but this is his show and he'll doubtless be the biggest draw. I love the guy I think he's an absolute legend.

It's amazing that nobody who actually fights looks at him and says quit. Anyone who has been there looks at him and wants that longevity, that desire when they're in their 40s.

You go Ken and I hope you bring home the bacon.

rovert

Roper wrote: »

It's amazing that nobody who actually fights looks at him and says quit. Anyone who has been there looks at him and wants that longevity, that desire when they're in their 40s.

These are ridiculous generalisations. They are simply not true many fighters have come out publicly stating Ken shouldn’t be fighting including Michael Bisping, Guy Mezger. He has lost 5 of his last 5 five fights by KO or TKO in the first round some longevity alright. But lets forget all that OMG HE IS A LEGEND LET HIM FIGHT IF HE WANTS TO. :rolleyes:

Karmafaerie

I'm sorry, but Ken has to learn when to say stop.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Roper wrote: »

It's amazing that nobody who actually fights looks at him and says quit. Anyone who has been there looks at him and wants that longevity, that desire when they're in their 40s.

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+1

And those lads set a standard and are an inspiration to those of us who try to make excuse's as to why we can't shouldn't put in that extra effort because we're "pushing on a bit".

Although I don't fight MMA I'm still fighting Judo at 43 and only stopped competitive kickboxing at 39.

I lose more than I win, I bitch and moan about injuries and blaim my age etc. Then I went and seen Coleman fight his old heart out last week at UFC 93 and I look at Ken Shamrock (I'm a huge fan of his) and although I was never going to fight at their levels I do draw on the example given and I push myself a little further.

I go a little longer before stepping off the mat for water, or a few more days before I drop another unprescribed Defene to ease the pain in my joints.

So Ken Shamrock, Coleman, Couture etc they're all a huge inspiration to old farts like me.

Go Ken Shamrock ..

rovert

Shamrock's recent efforts arent comparable to Coleman & Couture, Mairt.

arybvtcw0eolkf

rovert wrote: »

Shamrock's recent efforts arent comparable to Coleman & Couture, Mairt.

His efforts are relative, I think they are.

His recent achievements however are not comparible.

So what, he lose's.

But he's still out there fighting, and away from the camera and the fans he's still pounding the bags, running the miles, breaking a sweat and bursting his balls.

Personally speaking, for me he's one of the greats.

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Roper

Go back to the tortillas and WWE tapes lads and let the man fight if he wants.

Pride Fighter

I'm a huge Ken Shamrock fan. I like to see him fight. His last fights were against top class competition and a HW fighter who hits hard and was stronger than him (Berry). If he fights against LHW's there is no reason why he should not fight, or in this case he seems to be fighting in a freakshow match against a 300lb man. I wish him well and want to see him retire on a winning note, whenever that is he decides.

Sure look at Dan Severn, he is in his 50's and still fights, enjoying wins in the recent past over the likes of Forrest Griffin and Colin Robinson. Should he retire. No he is a legend and is doing the sport he loves and helped pioneer.

rovert

Mairt wrote: »

So what, he lose's.

He is facing brain damage from another first round KO or TKO.

Roper wrote: »

Go back to the tortillas and WWE tapes lads and let the man fight if he wants.

Great to see you are attacking my points here, Roper.

Btw Shamrock you know the guy we are talking about wrestled for years. :eek:

Pride Fighter wrote: »

If he fights against LHW's there is no reason why he should not fight

How many times to I have to say this he was TKO or KO in his last 5 fights in one sided affairs. He is risking brain damage. He cant withstand punches to the head.

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Sure look at Dan Severn, he is in his 50's and still fights, enjoying wins in the recent past over the likes of Forrest Griffin and Colin Robinson. Should he retire. No he is a legend and is doing the sport he loves and helped pioneer.

In my opinion Severn shouldn’t retire as he still has successful and competitive fights without putting his health in jeopardy relatively speaking. I don’t think the question of should someone retire should be answered by "No he is a legend and is doing the sport he loves and helped pioneer."

Raze_them_all

rovert wrote: »

He is facing brain damage from another first round KO or TKO.



Great to see you are attacking my points here, Roper.

Btw Shamrock you know the guy we are talking about wrestled for years. :eek:



How many times to I have to say this he was TKO or KO in his last 5 fights in one sided affairs. He is risking brain damage. He cant withstand punches to the head.



In my opinion Severn shouldn’t retire as he still has successful and competitive fights without putting his health in jeopardy relatively speaking. I don’t think the question of should someone retire should be answered by "No he is a legend and is doing the sport he loves and helped pioneer."

I would think getting ko'd in the third round would bring a greater risk as he'd take more shots no?
Any ko brings that risk anyway.
You can say it's for the paycheck and it probabll was when he came back. The man is medically fit to fight, He like all fighters is hungry to win, He doesn't fight to prove it to others, He is fighting to prove it to himself that he can still do what he loves. Until he suffers your worst case scenario rovert you cant say I told ya so it's also highly unlikely that he will suffer it.

rovert

Raze_them_all wrote: »

I would think getting ko'd in the third round would bring a greater risk as he'd take more shots no?
Any ko brings that risk anyway.

It has gone beyond that stage raze. Once again he can longer withstand punches to the head without his body shutting down on him.

Raze_them_all wrote: »

You can say it's for the paycheck and it probabll was when he came back. The man is medically fit to fight, He like all fighters is hungry to win, He doesn't fight to prove it to others, He is fighting to prove it to himself that he can still do what he loves.

When have I said otherwise?

Ken was only narrowly medically cleared to Kimbo last year by the Commission.

Raze_them_all wrote: »

Until he suffers your worst case scenario rovert you cant say I told ya so it's also highly unlikely that he will suffer it.

Please explain this to me, how can you say this exactly?

Nothingcompares

rovert wrote: »

He is facing brain damage from another first round KO or TKO.

source or stfu.

Roper

Nothingcompares wrote: »

source or stfu.

No no no. Haven't you heard? You can say whatever you want and then it's up to others to DISPROVE it.

In fairness, I think rovert is 14 or 15 so I shouldn't be so harsh.

rovert

Nothingcompares wrote: »

source or stfu.

His last five fights he can’t withstand punches to the head without his body shutting down on him prematurely.

Roper wrote: »

No no no. Haven't you heard? You can say whatever you want and then it's up to others to DISPROVE it.

In fairness, I think rovert is 14 or 15 so I shouldn't be so harsh.

Id like you to attack my points for once mate.

Raze_them_all

rovert wrote: »

His last five fights he can’t withstand punches to the head without his body shutting down on him prematurely.

Exactly how many punches to the head should anybody be able to take before there body shuts down at the peoper time?

rovert

Raze_them_all wrote: »

Exactly how many punches to the head should anybody be able to take before there body shuts down at the peoper time?

Im speaking in the relative standards of the sport and Shamrock's entire career.

Keith C

been a follower of this sport for a few years, ive no mma experiance myself but enjoy talking about the sport & showing it to friends who have never seen it before esp the boxing fans
just wanted to make the point that every sport has fans/critics yet the impression i get from this forum is that unless you fight some kind of contact sport your opinion isnt worth 2 cent, let alone say anything negative bout a fighter cause you've never been in a cage??
Roverts posts, imho, seem factually based & why everyone getting so bitchy (the age comment is just sad) amazes me

ginoginelli

ken shamrocks m.o his past 10 fights:

Throws personal insults at his opponent pre fight

Claims to be in the best shape he has ever been.

gets beaten up in the cage and looks for the first opportunity to quit.

Claims a bad ref stoppage.



Dont be surprised if Ross Clifton beats him down. Nethertheless if the man wants to fight, let him. He doesnt have to worry about tarnishing his record. Hes already done that. The guy really is just embarrassing himself at this stage.

rovert

ginoginelli wrote: »

ken shamrocks m.o his past 10 fights:

Throws personal insults at his opponent pre fight

Claims to be in the best shape he has ever been.

gets beaten up in the cage and looks for the first opportunity to quit.

Claims a bad ref stoppage.

Well said.

All Ken has left is his mouth. He can talk up a fight like no ones business.

chopperbyrne

Ken is risking his long term mental health at this stage.

Yes, a knockout at any stage is bad and can potentially lead to serious health issues regardless of the fighters age or physical health.

Ken however, has been repeatedly knocked out in his past few fights and even before that was taking far too many shots to the head in his fights.

He is a legend and an inspiration to many, but do any of the people who defended his decision to continue fighting want to see their hero end up a stuttering mess?

It's time for him to give up competitive MMA and focus on training the next generation of fighters.

arybvtcw0eolkf

rovert wrote: »

He is facing brain damage from another first round KO or TKO.

I've had a few pints tonight, so I'm probably looking at a bit of brain damage too (or at least it will feel that way tomorrow).

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday this week I'll risk more joint damage training in a sport I love, and in a sport where I'll likely NEVER (at this stage) get to even national championship level.

But I love it, because inside I'm still fighting. I'm fighting against my opponents on the mat, I'm fighting against my doctors/physio's advice, I'm fighting agaist my families wishes and I'm even fighting against CowzerP's slagging.

When should I give it all up?.

When I was kickboxing I was never knocked out, but I've likely received thousends upon thousend of punches to the head, in my late thirties I found it harder and hard to make weight and I'd diet like a lunatic for weeks on end, risking my health... Should I have gave up then?.

Rovert, I don't think you understand why (regardless of style) we all do this and continue to love it.

Raze_them_all

Mairt wrote: »

I've had a few pints tonight, so I'm probably looking at a bit of brain damage too (or at least it will feel that way tomorrow).

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday this week I'll risk more joint damage training in a sport I love, and in a sport where I'll likely NEVER (at this stage) get to even national championship level.

But I love it, because inside I'm still fighting. I'm fighting against my opponents on the mat, I'm fighting against my doctors/physio's advice, I'm fighting agaist my families wishes and I'm even fighting against CowzerP's slagging.

When should I give it all up?.

When I was kickboxing I was never knocked out, but I've likely received thousends upon thousend of punches to the head, in my late thirties I found it harder and hard to make weight and I'd diet like a lunatic for weeks on end, risking my health... Should I have gave up then?.

Rovert, I don't think you understand why (regardless of style) we all do this and continue to love it.

I think it comes down to this one true fact. fans have one opinion and understanding

Those of us that have competed have a completely different opinion and understanding.

rovert

The last two posts are totally absurd and ignorant. You are making judgements about me without knowing anything about me and bypassing factual infomation whilst doing so.

Raze_them_all wrote: »

I think it comes down to this one true fact. fans have one opinion and understanding

Those of us that have competed have a completely different opinion and understanding.

Did you even read what I wrote in this thread? Other MMA fighters including one of his students thinks Shamrock shouldn’t be fighting. So to saw there is one opinion for fighters and another for fans is totally delusional.

Roper

Keith C wrote: »

just wanted to make the point that every sport has fans/critics yet the impression i get from this forum is that unless you fight some kind of contact sport your opinion isnt worth 2 cent, let alone say anything negative bout a fighter cause you've never been in a cage??
Roverts posts, imho, seem factually based & why everyone getting so bitchy (the age comment is just sad) amazes me

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you need to back it up with sources and facts. Rovert has said that if he gets KOed r TKOed one more time he'll get brain damage. That sounds like a medical opinion to me so maybe he has access to Ken's MRI scans? If so he should post or stfu.

rovert

Roper wrote: »

Rovert has said that if he gets KOed r TKOed one more time he'll get brain damage.

I didnt say that Roper, I said:

How many times to I have to say this he was TKO or KO in his last 5 fights in one sided affairs. He is risking brain damage. He cant withstand punches to the head.

and

In relation to the consequences of him fighting again:

He is facing brain damage from another first round KO or TKO.

I never said "one more time he'll get brain damage."

Keith C

Mairt wrote: »

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday this week I'll risk more joint damage training in a sport I love, and in a sport where I'll likely NEVER (at this stage) get to even national championship level.

But I love it, because inside I'm still fighting. I'm fighting against my opponents on the mat, I'm fighting against my doctors/physio's advice, I'm fighting agaist my families wishes and I'm even fighting against CowzerP's slagging.

so what your saying (or my interpetation) is you'll never compete at national level so its a hobby you love doing yet doctors family etc are advicing to give it up. so youre being given profesional advice to "retire" yet you continue to ignore everyone
you say "inside im still fighting" are you trying to prove something to someone??
Hope you don't reply proving "to myself" or some muck like that, realise your age (forty odd) & don't put your health at risk, as you said yourself a decent level of competition is beyond you.

agardiner22

imagine the pain you will cause your family if anything happens, you can still love something and change the way u do it

ginoginelli

Keith C wrote: »

been a follower of this sport for a few years, ive no mma experiance myself but enjoy talking about the sport & showing it to friends who have never seen it before esp the boxing fans
just wanted to make the point that every sport has fans/critics yet the impression i get from this forum is that unless you fight some kind of contact sport your opinion isnt worth 2 cent, let alone say anything negative bout a fighter cause you've never been in a cage??

I had been reading on this forum for some time before I posted and I've noticed this too. We have some posters here who have been training for some time, or have x amount of posts, that refuse to listen to reason and seem to think their words are infallible..

The other side of the coin is we get some really informed poster too, that obviously have a high knowledge of the sport, but dont shove it down your throat..

Try not to take it to heart anyway, its still a decent forum!

Mikel

Mairt wrote: »

I've had a few pints tonight, so I'm probably looking at a bit of brain damage too (or at least it will feel that way tomorrow).

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday this week I'll risk more joint damage training in a sport I love, and in a sport where I'll likely NEVER (at this stage) get to even national championship level.

But I love it, because inside I'm still fighting. I'm fighting against my opponents on the mat, I'm fighting against my doctors/physio's advice, I'm fighting agaist my families wishes and I'm even fighting against CowzerP's slagging.

When should I give it all up?.

When I was kickboxing I was never knocked out, but I've likely received thousends upon thousend of punches to the head, in my late thirties I found it harder and hard to make weight and I'd diet like a lunatic for weeks on end, risking my health... Should I have gave up then?.

Rovert, I don't think you understand why (regardless of style) we all do this and continue to love it.

That's an interesting post and explains some of why Couture and guys like him are so popular, even Coleman after last week.
I think some people relate a little to what these guys do and admire their longevity, and i take my hat off to Ken for still having the drive to keep going.

I certainly don't think he should listen to keyboard warriors writing him off, some of these same people gave Randy no chance against Tito and look what happened.
There are many athletes who were considered past it who came back and showed otherwise.

That said however, there is a legitimate question sometimes of fighters not knowing when to quit.
I'm not saying it is the case here, but for example did Ali go on too long?
All of Mairts post above could be applied to him too, but few would argue he quit too soon.
He must have been medically cleared though.

Who wants to see Wayne Mc Cullough fight again? When the subject comes up on the boxing forum everyone wants him to quit.
But I'll bet he could get medical clearance to fight.

Fighters can be too brave sometimes

Nothingcompares

Mikel wrote: »

Who wants to see Wayne Mc Cullough fight again? When the subject comes up on the boxing forum everyone wants him to quit.
But I'll bet he could get medical clearance to fight.

Fighters can be too brave sometimes

I think it's because a lot of fans don't want to see these guys fight again because they will lose or only beat guys that are a significant step down in quality. If WMcC and KS were beating the crap out of good guys people wouldn't be asking them to hang up the gloves due to some unconfirmed medical issues.


One of the uk guys said it best "records are for DJs". Fundamentally I think everyone should be supportive of KS if he wants to fight and he should fight at a level he's competitive at. TBH all this medical stuff is nonsense, it's not substantiated anywhere, it's just people making stuff up on the internet. But if fighters do have a medical issue (Wayne) the procedures are in place to prevent them from competing.

cowzerp

Keith C wrote: »

so what your saying (or my interpetation) is you'll never compete at national level so its a hobby you love doing yet doctors family etc are advicing to give it up. so youre being given profesional advice to "retire" yet you continue to ignore everyone
you say "inside im still fighting" are you trying to prove something to someone??
Hope you don't reply proving "to myself" or some muck like that, realise your age (forty odd) & don't put your health at risk, as you said yourself a decent level of competition is beyond you.

Mairt is just stating that all people who are past competition level are wrote off, yes even by doctors-but this is even when there in good shape-Doctors dont recommend combat sports to anyone anyway.

Mairt will stop when his body tells him to stop or else he'll just continue and focus on the technical ends of it, he knows his body better than any physio or doctor, Ken is physically fine to fight on and should be allowed if he is medically fit.

Personally if i was him(ken) i'd retire from competition and focus on training up and comers. but he'll do that when he feels he has nothing left to offer, i dont fear brain damage for him at all, some boxers have took more punches to the head in 1 fight than Ken has in his own career.

Ageism lives on, and Mairt-that does not mean im going to lay of you!

rovert

Nothingcompares wrote: »

If WMcC and KS were beating the crap out of good guys people wouldn't be asking them to hang up the gloves due to some unconfirmed medical issues.

As that would involve Ken actually being able to defend himself in fights and not getting KO'd early. It would be difficult to ask someone who was "beating the crap out of good guys" to hang up the gloves as the toll of fights on their bodies most likely wouldn’t be as apparent compared to say a person who has knocked out early in his last 5 fights.

Nothingcompares wrote: »

TBH all this medical stuff is nonsense, it's not substantiated anywhere, it's just people making stuff up on the internet.

Ok so his last 5 fights are inventions of the internet along with the comments by his colleagues saying he can no longer take punches to the head and should stop fighting. How can this be described as nonsense exactly?

cowzerp wrote: »

i dont fear brain damage for him at all, some boxers have took more punches to the head in 1 fight than Ken has in his own career.

Ken has had a succession of knock outs late in his career and you dont fear brain damage? Ok then.

cowzerp

rovert wrote: »

Ken has had a succession of knock outs late in his career and you dont fear brain damage? Ok then.

Technical Knock outs, that is not the same thing as been knocked unconscious, Ken shows no signs of mental deteriotion.

Pride Fighter

cowzerp wrote: »

Technical Knock outs, that is not the same thing as been knocked unconscious, Ken shows no signs of mental deteriotion.

QFT, TKO's involve the ref stopping the fight, in no way was Ken KO'd. I suppose the people saying Ken should hang up his gloves should say Fedor should hang up his too for being TKO'd by Tsuyoshi Kohsaka:rolleyes: