Boycotting Israeli Goods

BMurr

It loks like my original posting under the consumer issues thread may be considered by some to be misplaced so here it is in the political forum.

I for one have had enough of seeing Israel bully their neighbours in Gaza, treating them as if they were some sort of subhuman species, killing such large numbers of children etc. People were equally disgusted with the apartheid system in South Africa and the general boycotting of all things south african gave the powers there no choice other than to pay attention to what the world felt about what they were doing and to change their practices. Today while buying some organic dates in a well known organic outlet here in Cork I realised that the dates were from Israel and it irritated me to think that I might be supporting some self righteous Zionist folk. I have decided to pay more attention to the source of my goods from now on and to avoid buying Israeli stuff. Are others considering doing likewise, or are there other ideas around as to how we the ordinary consumer can make a dfifference to this situation??

TOMASJ

You should have made the manager of the store aware of your feelings on these child murderers, produce being sold in their store,
These big stores don't want to be seen to act as Dunnes did years ago on the South African imports issue

IRISH RAIL

can I ask all the hypocrites here who want to boycott Isaeli goods something

is it only a boycott when it suits or does it have to be a total ban on all Israeli goods

if the latter is the case the number of people here supporting this would be throwing out thier pc`s (Intel and other chips for soundcards etc )
never using microsoft windows
deleting there anti virus software and firewalls
aol instant messanger would be a no no
the gut cam digestable camera for treating cancer wouldnt be an option
radiation free breast cancer diagnostic test would be out the window
the cell phone was developed in Israel could you live without it ?
not to forget voicemail tehnology.
better throw all those items out from motorolla.
weapons that armys use to keep you safe and secure like the Uzi smg that the gardai use.
no more cherry tomates yep those little pesky feckers are Israeli
if you get parkinsons dont expect to take Azilect
while were on medicines Exelon for alzhimers would be out of the question
thats made by teva but beware those zionists have one of the worlds largest pharma companies better check that asprin did I mention Pfizers r and d in Israel and the blindness drug they make there?
mri (the medical scan was invented in Israel)
peroxide explosives wouldnt be detected in airports only for Israel
skype and voip technology yep you guessed it.
I know theres lots more and Im sure you will do your bit.

better start by turning off your computers some of it was made in Israel

Taxipete29

Israel did not invent the cell phone

Cherry tomatoes are largely from central america

Skype?? NO

Exelon is made by a swiss company

A few examples, I think you get my point

The Mighty Ken

Why would you want innocent Israelis, such as date farmers, to suffer because of the actions of their government and defence forces? What if the date farmer was an Arab Israeli? Would that make a difference? Or is the prejudicial ignorance of the OP so compelling that we should all condemn Israel and everything Israeli from now on?

Bloody hell. There should be a ban on people in this fvcking country discussing politics in the Middle East. Sometimes free speech is a curse. I'm moving to China.

CJhaughey

If you want to identify Israeli goods all the bar codes start with 729.

Taxipete29

The Mighty Ken wrote: »

Why would you want innocent Israelis, such as date farmers, to suffer because of the actions of their government and defence forces? What if the date farmer was an Arab Israeli? Would that make a difference? Or is the prejudicial ignorance of the OP so compelling that we should all condemn Israel and everything Israeli from now on?

Bloody hell. There should be a ban on people in this fvcking country discussing politics in the Middle East. Sometimes free speech is a curse. I'm moving to China.

Innocent or not, they voted this Government in and must live with the consequences. I dont pretend to understand all that goes on over there and I dont think anyone over here really does, but we know what terrorism and murder look like and like it or not there is no excuse for the horrific actions we have seen inflicted on a largely innocent people.

marcsignal

The Mighty Ken wrote: »

Sometimes free speech is a curse. I'm moving to China.

why go as far as China ? Holland is much closer, and you can spend euro :pac:

IRISH RAIL

Taxipete29 wrote: »

Israel did not invent the cell phone

Cherry tomatoes are largely from central america

Skype?? NO

Exelon is made by a swiss company

A few examples, I think you get my point

motorolla invented the cell phone in Israel
http://realisrael.wordpress.com/2008/03/16/israel-is-the-silicon-valley-of-the-mediterranean/

herry tomatoes were invented in Israel
http://www.ittn.org.il/success.php?cat=9&incat=0
VOIP technology was invented in Israel
http://www.israel21c.org/bin/en.jsp?enDispWho=Articles%5El1016&enPage=BlankPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enVersion=0&enZone=Technology
exelon as explained below
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3541019,00.html
The Hebrew University patented the drug, and sold it to the Swiss company Sandoze in 1986. Sandoze demanded that the fact that Exelon is produced in Israel be kept confidential, and so it was until the company merged with another to become Novartis in 1997, when the demand was rescinded.

I think you get MY point
try reasearch first

humberklog

I'm feckin out my box sets of Curb Your Enthuesiasm. (Just as soon as I can spell it).

sceptre

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

skype

Skype is as Israeli as Estonian bread is. They're very proud of both of those things In Tallinn.

I assume you meant ICQ, which has nothing to do with Skype but does actually come from Israel (whether you agree with them or not, they're talking about boycotting products, not ideas -like many other countries Israel contributed to the development of VoIP tech but they've still got sod-all to do with the product you've listed).

OhNoYouDidn't

The Mighty Ken wrote: »

Why would you want innocent Israelis, such as date farmers, to suffer because of the actions of their government and defence forces? What if the date farmer was an Arab Israeli? Would that make a difference? Or is the prejudicial ignorance of the OP so compelling that we should all condemn Israel and everything Israeli from now on?

For much the same reason 'innocent' white South Africans had to suffer. Because it worked. Israel is an apartheit state and I will treat it identically.

I'm walking to work these days since I found out Veolia, who run the Luas, are building a settlers only tram in the occupied terretories.

If you want to avoid Israeli goods the first three numbers on the barcode are 712


http://www.boycottisraeligoods.org/

OhNoYouDidn't

humberklog wrote: »

I'm feckin out my box sets of Curb Your Enthuesiasm. (Just as soon as I can spell it).

why? nothing to do with Israel

humberklog

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

why? nothing to do with Israel

I'm over-reacting. Wouldn't be the first around here.

Guy:Incognito

I'm boycotting Palestinian goods.


It's probably a good thing anyway cos if they were any good at things they'd have killed a lot more Isreali's. One side being a poxy shot is no reason to cannonise them.

In fact, screw all that, Hamas are Jesus reincarnated. All peace loving champions among men.

seanybiker

The Mighty Ken wrote: »

Why would you want innocent Israelis, such as date farmers, to suffer because of the actions of their government and defence forces? What if the date farmer was an Arab Israeli? Would that make a difference? Or is the prejudicial ignorance of the OP so compelling that we should all condemn Israel and everything Israeli from now on?

Bloody hell. There should be a ban on people in this fvcking country discussing politics in the Middle East. Sometimes free speech is a curse. I'm moving to China.

Im with you on this one. Ill go visit ya in china. Poor innocent farmers done nothing wrong.
I know people are gonna say but didnt they vote in the government. Same can be said here. If the irish government is thick then it goes to stand that us irish are thick. Im grand though. I dont vote

IRISH RAIL

sceptre wrote: »

Skype is as Israeli as Estonian bread is. They're very proud of both of those things In Tallinn.

I assume you meant ICQ, which has nothing to do with Skype but does actually come from Israel (whether you agree with them or not, they're talking about boycotting products, not ideas -like many other countries Israel contributed to the development of VoIP tech but they've still got sod-all to do with the product you've listed).

i use skype because it would be the most famous brand
and voip was soley invented in Israel
http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/voip/voip-patents-run-amok.asp
plenty more recources out there to back it up

IRISH RAIL

Stekelly wrote: »

I'm boycotting Palestinian goods.


It's probably a good thing anyway cos if they were any good at things they'd have killed a lot more Isreali's. One side being a poxy shot is no reason to cannonise them.

In fact, screw all that, Hamas are Jesus reincarnated. All peace loving champions among men.

thanks for that somehow i dont see made in Gaza being ce marked would probably be toxic paint and other nasty things "to kill the infidels" but there supporters in Ireland wouldnt tell you that
I can go to sleep with a smile on my face

sceptre

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

i use skype because it would be the most famous brand
and voip was soley invented in Israel
http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/voip/voip-patents-run-amok.asp
plenty more recources out there to back it up

I'm afraid Skype is as Israeli as Christianity is (also invented in the same area).

tallaght01

We should start with boycotting goods that are actually made in sweat shops.

And if we're boycotting Israeli goods, we should start boycotting Chinese goods too, for example.

Taxipete29

http://www.motorola.com/content.jsp?globalObjectId=7662-10813

I do my research

BMurr

Some of the choices would obviously be diifficult. In the global manufacturing scheme of things some stuff will have some israeli component or other embedded in it without us knowing it. However some choices are easy such as in the fruit and veg aisle where there may be choices and clear labelling. If people don't want to boycott thats their perogative, there were plenty who kept on buying SA goods when others didn't- who made the difference? Certainly not the people who didn't give a damn about what the ethical background of their goods was, and it is obvious that there are a few who will post on this forum opposing boycotts without having any better ideas. Voicing concerns will not make a jot of a difference to israel, we've seen how much respect they have for international community via their attacks on UN. They will not like to have their pockets impacted though.

OhNoYouDidn't

tallaght01 wrote: »

We should start with boycotting goods that are actually made in sweat shops.

And if we're boycotting Israeli goods, we should start boycotting Chinese goods too, for example.

two entirely different debates.

I agree with you on seat goods, but thats not whats being talked about here.

The BIG campaign is specifically to target the economy of an apartheid state that recently slaughtered 300 children via a boycott campaign and lobby for economic sanctions.

ejmaztec

The most important Israeli item, so I'm led to believe, is the Sky encryption provided by NDS. Would we be boycotting this or would we just leave it off the list?

Dr_Teeth

The point of a boycott is to have an economic impact now. It's irrelevant what things were invented in Israel in years past. The Israeli government isn't getting a cut of cellphone sales revenue so there's no reason to boycott cellphones duh!

ejmaztec

Dr_Teeth wrote: »

The point of a boycott is to have an economic impact now. It's irrelevant what things were invented in Israel in years past. The Israeli government isn't getting a cut of cellphone sales revenue so there's no reason to boycott cellphones duh!

The Israelis wouldn't be missing out on the royalties, at least, for the use of the technology invented by them.

munchester29

Yea, let's boycott the only democracy in the middle east.
Those bastards! How dare they defend their citizens from attacks by a peace loving terrorist organization!

wes

munchester29 wrote: »

Yea, let's boycott the only democracy in the middle east.
Those bastards! How dare they defend their citizens from attacks by a peace loving terrorist organization!

Wait, I taught the US established a democracy in Iraq .

Also, if Israel is a democracy, then Iran is also one and Lebanon as well, if we are going to lower the threshold to include Israel, then those other countries should be considered democracies as well.

So by my count there are 4 democracies in the Middle East, of course if we include Afghanistan in the Middle East, then thats 5 (the US also brought democracy to them ).

Also, Israels siege of Gaza, was an act of collective punishment, on the 1.5 million people of Gaza and an indiscriminate act of state terrorism. So Israel is hardly innocent, when it comes to terrorism.

brianthebard

munchester29 wrote: »

Yea, let's boycott the only democracy in the middle east.
Those bastards! How dare they defend their citizens from attacks by a peace loving terrorist organization!

Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas-democracy no? Why do you think haven't elected officals automatically makes a colonial power better than the people they are colonising?

Quint

munchester29 wrote: »

Yea, let's boycott the only democracy in the middle east.
Those bastards! How dare they defend their citizens from attacks by a peace loving terrorist organization!

No one is boycotting Lebanese goods

Nodin

munchester29 wrote: »

Yea, let's boycott the only democracy in the middle east.!

Could you explain why the system of Government is in anyway relevant to the discussion?

munchester29 wrote: »

Those bastards! How dare they defend their citizens from attacks by a peace loving terrorist organization!

The boycott is in reaction to the occupation of lands outside its borders by Israel, and its treatment of the native population therein.

munchester29

Lebanon - has a militia controlling the southern part (Hezbollah) and influenced by foreign powers (Iran, Syria). I would call it an “almost democracy”.

Iran – theocratic Islamic government. I wouldn’t consider a country where Homosexuality is a crime punishable by death to be a democracy anyway.

Afghanistan – An Islamic Republic

Hamas – A terrorist organization (according to Canada, EU, US, Japan, etc)

wes

munchester29 wrote: »

Lebanon - has a militia controlling the southern part (Hezbollah) and influenced by foreign powers (Iran, Syria). I would call it an “almost democracy”.

Iran – theocratic Islamic government. I wouldn’t consider a country where Homosexuality is a crime punishable by death to be a democracy anyway.

Afghanistan – An Islamic Republic

Hamas – A terrorist organization (according to Canada, EU, US, Japan, etc)

Israel - Apartheid state, engaged in colonization, illegal occupations and state terrorism.

As I said if we lower the threshold, we should include those other nations.

Also, so your saying that the US didn't bring democracy to Afghanistan, then? Also, what about Iraq? You should totally inform Barack Obama of the US's huge mistake right away then.

OhNoYouDidn't

The (unelected) Israeli election commission recently prohibited two Arab polictical parties from running in future elections. One currently has 7 seats in the Knisset. That is fundamentally anti-democratic, as is its apartheid policy and the influence the military has in Israeli affairs.

munchester29 wrote: »

Lebanon - has a militia controlling the southern part (Hezbollah) and influenced by foreign powers (Iran, Syria). I would call it an “almost democracy”.

Hezbollah have a mandate they received through the ballot box.

"influenced by foreign powers"? Did you miss the US made warplanes and attack helicopters used to bomb schools and creches last month? That sort of infuence is fine I take it?

munchester29 wrote: »

Iran – theocratic Islamic government. I wouldn’t consider a country where Homosexuality is a crime punishable by death to be a democracy anyway.

Open elections take place, what is a crime is no releveance to whether a country is democratic or not

munchester29 wrote: »

Afghanistan – An Islamic Republic

But still a republic. What relevance is the Islamic word?

munchester29 wrote: »

Hamas – A terrorist organization (according to Canada, EU, US, Japan, etc)

Part of Hames engages in violent resistance. The Paelstianian people freely elected them. And the West told them they were wrong to do so. :rolleyes:

Israel has a commercial, cultural, academic and sporting relationship with Ireland. We should use these links to try and effect change like we did with South Africa

munchester29

wes wrote: »

Israel - Apartheid state, engaged in colonization, illegal occupations and state terrorism.

I covered the Apartheid, colonization & illegal occupation claims before…
So, to save time and space, I’ll just comment on the Apartheid thing again - Israel is not an Apartheid state:

“Historian Benny Morris:
"Israel is not an apartheid state — rather the opposite, it is easily the most democratic and politically egalitarian state in the Middle East, in which Arabs Israelis enjoy far more freedom, better social services, etc. than in all the Arab states surrounding it.
"As to the occupied territories, Israeli policy is fueled by security considerations (whether one agrees with them or not, or with all the specific measures adopted at any given time) rather than racism “

“President Carter has frequently reiterated the point that his "use of 'apartheid' does not apply to circumstances within Israel. Regarding the title of his book Carter has said:
"It's not Israel. The book has nothing to do with what's going on inside Israel which is a wonderful democracy, you know, where everyone has guaranteed equal rights and where, under the law, Arabs and Jews who are Israelis have the same privileges about Israel. That's been most of the controversy because people assume it's about Israel. It's not.
"I've never alleged that the framework of apartheid existed within Israel at all, and that what does exist in the West Bank is based on trying to take Palestinian land and not on racism. So it was a very clear distinction.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid_wall

wes wrote: »

Also, so your saying that the US didn't bring democracy to Afghanistan, then? Also, what about Iraq? You should totally inform Barack Obama of the US's huge mistake right away then.

The US didn’t bring democracy to Afghanistan or Iraq. I called Obama, complained, and he informed me that Bush is to blame and that a shipment of democracy has just been loaded to a plane and is on its way to Iraq & Afghanistan.


Funny thing by the way – when I typed the word “Obama”, Word figured it was a spelling error, and suggested “Osama” instead…:cool:

OhNoYouDidn't

Israel insists on its citizens and Palestianians carrying ID. Your ID card is colour coded depending on your ethnicity.

There are roads only Jews are allowed drive on

There is public transport that only Jews are allowed use.

All policitcal parties must swear an oath that Israel as a Jewish state or they are banned from running.

Palestianians are forced to live behind walls to control their movement, much like banthusians in SA.

Israel is an apartheid state and we should treat it like the pariah it has become.

munchester29

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

The (unelected) Israeli election commission recently prohibited two Arab polictical parties from running in future elections. One currently has 7 seats in the Knisset. That is fundamentally anti-democratic, as is its apartheid policy and the influence the military has in Israeli affairs.

The Israeli supreme court already overruled on that decision. Both parties will be part of the elections.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Hezbollah have a mandate they received through the ballot box.

They don’t have a mandate to initiate military operations without the Lebanese government consent. Although they are part of the Lebanese government, they are still a militia in many ways.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

"influenced by foreign powers"? Did you miss the US made warplanes and attack helicopters used to bomb schools and creches last month? That sort of infuence is fine I take it?

There is a big difference between using equipment or funding supplied by a foreign power to defend your citizens, and actively executing a foreign power’s policy that benefits the foreign power only, and not your people.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Open elections take place, what is a crime is no releveance to whether a country is democratic or not

Actually, it has all the relevance in the world:

“Even though there is no universally accepted definition of 'democracy',[3] there are two principles that any definition of democracy includes. The first principle is that all members of the society have equal access to power and the second that all members enjoy universally recognized freedoms and liberties.”

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

But still a republic. What relevance is the Islamic word?

The word is there for a reason, I suggest doing a bit of reading on these forms of government and how religion comes into play in these countries.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Part of Hames engages in violent resistance. The Paelstianian people freely elected them. And the West told them they were wrong to do so. :rolleyes:

Israel has a commercial, cultural, academic and sporting relationship with Ireland. We should use these links to try and effect change like we did with South Africa

These boycotts don’t really help much…

“Economic sanctions certainly weakened the status quo in South Africa during the 1980s by contributing to the economic decline that the country suffered in this period. The effect should not be exaggerated, though: the mass revolts inside South Africa were the chief force making for the eventual democratization.”

http://www.aaup.org/AAUP/pubsres/academe/2006/SO/Boycott/The+SouthAfricanBoycott.htm

munchester29

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Israel insists on its citizens and Palestianians carrying ID. Your ID card is colour coded depending on your ethnicity.

Not true – Israeli Arabs carry blue ID cards, same as Israeli Jews. The Palestinians are not part of Israel, so they carry different ID cards.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

There are roads only Jews are allowed drive on

These roads were built because Jews couldn’t drive on the regular roads used also by Palestinians, since they were constantly attacked. These roads are probably a better solution than attacking the Palestinians again and again after each such attack.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

There is public transport that only Jews are allowed use.

Not true.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

All policitcal parties must swear an oath that Israel as a Jewish state or they are banned from running.

Not really – they just swear an oath to Israel, same as in any other country. The country actually has Arab political parties who are against the idea of a Jewish state.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Palestianians are forced to live behind walls to control their movement, much like banthusians in SA.

All the restrictions on the Palestinians are for one reason only – their continued attacks against Israel.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Israel is an apartheid state and we should treat it like the pariah it has become.

I already shown how myself, Benny Morris & Jimmy Carter don’t consider Israel as an Apartheid state. I’m sure there are people here with more knowledge and experience than Carter & Morris though.

Nodin

munchester29 wrote: »

I covered the Apartheid, colonization & illegal occupation claims before…

Neither "colonisation" or "illegal occupation" are claims, they are facts.

munchester29 wrote: »

So, to save time and space, I’ll just comment on the Apartheid thing again - Israel is not an Apartheid state:…

...but it runs the OT as a de facto 'apartheid province'. Thus no, but yes.

munchester29 wrote: »

The US (........)instead…:cool:

Take your red herrings to one of the (all too)many Obama threads in "US Politics".

You still haven't explained the relevance of Israels system of Government.

wes

munchester29 wrote: »

I covered the Apartheid, colonization & illegal occupation claims before…
So, to save time and space, I’ll just comment on the Apartheid thing again - Israel is not an Apartheid state:

You covered nothing. Just some tired excuses. Your were proven wrong several times and you just insisted you were correct, when you were proven wrong.

munchester29 wrote: »

“Historian Benny Morris:
"Israel is not an apartheid state — rather the opposite, it is easily the most democratic and politically egalitarian state in the Middle East, in which Arabs Israelis enjoy far more freedom, better social services, etc. than in all the Arab states surrounding it.
"As to the occupied territories, Israeli policy is fueled by security considerations (whether one agrees with them or not, or with all the specific measures adopted at any given time) rather than racism “

The guy is wrong. Bishop Desmond Tutu (someone who knows a thing or 2 about apartheid) has called Israel an apartheid state. Also, plenty of others in the ANC have referred to it similarly. Those guys know aparthed better than anyone.

munchester29 wrote: »

“President Carter has frequently reiterated the point that his "use of 'apartheid' does not apply to circumstances within Israel. Regarding the title of his book Carter has said:
"It's not Israel. The book has nothing to do with what's going on inside Israel which is a wonderful democracy, you know, where everyone has guaranteed equal rights and where, under the law, Arabs and Jews who are Israelis have the same privileges about Israel. That's been most of the controversy because people assume it's about Israel. It's not.
"I've never alleged that the framework of apartheid existed within Israel at all, and that what does exist in the West Bank is based on trying to take Palestinian land and not on racism. So it was a very clear distinction.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid_wall

He still says there is apartheid, so your just back up my point.

munchester29 wrote: »

The US didn’t bring democracy to Afghanistan or Iraq. I called Obama, complained, and he informed me that Bush is to blame and that a shipment of democracy has just been loaded to a plane and is on its way to Iraq & Afghanistan.

So they forgot to bring democracy, oh the horror.

wes

Nodin wrote: »

Take your red herrings to one of the (all too)many Obama threads in "US Politics".

To be fair, I brought up the US and Obama first, as the US has apparently created 2 democracies in the Middle East and people forget to mention them for some reason, when it come to Israel being the only democracy,

ionix5891

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Israel insists on its citizens and Palestianians carrying ID. Your ID card is colour coded depending on your ethnicity..

that line struck me, holy crap! (disclaimer: its just an utterance im not religious)

you think a nation that was founded after its people were made wear yellow stars, get tattooed and exterminated would learn from the experience

anyways Ive done my bit as discussed in another thread earlier my company cut ties with a company in Israel because all our staff members agreed its disgraceful what they are doing to civilians

OhNoYouDidn't

munchester29 wrote: »

Not true – Israeli Arabs carry blue ID cards, same as Israeli Jews. The Palestinians are not part of Israel, so they carry different ID cards.

Israel forces Arabs to carry ID. Those cards are a different colour to make Arabs distinguishable.

munchester29 wrote: »

These roads were built because Jews couldn’t drive on the regular roads used also by Palestinians, since they were constantly attacked. These roads are probably a better solution than attacking the Palestinians again and again after each such attack.

Same justification the South Africans used.

munchester29 wrote: »

Not true.

Yes it is. Veolia are currently building a new tram system in the West Bank that only settlers will be allowed use.

munchester29 wrote: »

Not really – they just swear an oath to Israel, same as in any other country. The country actually has Arab political parties who are against the idea of a Jewish state..

And they have been banned from standing again....

The oath is to Israel as a Jewish nation.

munchester29 wrote: »

All the restrictions on the Palestinians are for one reason only – their continued attacks against Israel.

Same justification the South Africans used.

munchester29 wrote: »

I already shown how myself, Benny Morris & Jimmy Carter don’t consider Israel as an Apartheid state. I’m sure there are people here with more knowledge and experience than Carter & Morris though.

Benny Morris is an Israeli. What else would he say?

How do you respond to Archbishop Tutu saying it is?

munchester29

Nodin wrote: »

Neither "colonisation" or "illegal occupation" are claims, they are facts.

I already showed in a different thread how these “facts” are nothing more than opinions. You are entitled to yours.

Nodin wrote: »

You still haven't explained the relevance of Israels system of Government.

It has the same relevance as Israel’s foreign policy has (Gaza, west bank, etc). People are suggesting to boycott a country, and yet they don’t really know much about it.
Israel is much more than the Palestinian conflict.
It is the only true democracy in the Middle East, it has helped many countries during humanitarian crisis, made great contributions to the world and the people in it - scientifically, technologically, medically, agriculturally, etc.

All the good Israel has done and is doing seems to be forgotten and I believe should be considered when boycotting suggestions are made.

Nodin

munchester29 wrote: »

Not true – Israeli Arabs carry blue ID cards, same as Israeli Jews. The Palestinians are not part of Israel, so they carry different ID cards..

...and are treated under martial law, not Israeli civil law. Thus, a two-tier system. Part of the De Facto apartheid I referred to.

munchester29 wrote: »

These roads were built because Jews couldn’t drive on the regular roads used also by Palestinians, since they were constantly attacked. These roads are probably a better solution than attacking the Palestinians again and again after each such attack...

"Jews"? A strange choice of description. One might think you were trying to imply something....

They are armed settlers, living on land seized from the inhabitants, outside Israels borders. In order to protect them, yet more land has been seized from the inhabitants, thus causing yet more resentment and reason for armed resistance.

munchester29 wrote: »

All the restrictions on the Palestinians are for one reason only – their continued attacks against Israel. ...

Actually most restrictions in place in the West Bank are to control access in and around Israeli settlements, not Israel. Thus, the restrictions are to further control the native inhabitants and make easier the consolidation of the seized land.

munchester29 wrote: »

I already (.........) though.

Within Israel. However the term "apartheid" is used in connection with the OT.

wes

munchester29 wrote: »

I already showed in a different thread how these “facts” are nothing more than opinions. You are entitled to yours.

They are facts. Insisting otherwise is ridiculous.

munchester29 wrote: »

It has the same relevance as Israel’s foreign policy has (Gaza, west bank, etc). People are suggesting to boycott a country, and yet they don’t really know much about it.

I am sure people know more than enough.

munchester29 wrote: »

Israel is much more than the Palestinian conflict.
It is the only true democracy in the Middle East, it has helped many countries during humanitarian crisis, made great contributions to the world and the people in it - scientifically, technologically, medically, agriculturally, etc.

Insisting that Israel is a democracy, despite the colonization, apartheid etc is ridiculous. If we are to lower the threshold for Israel, then the same should be done for Iran etc.

Israel was also Apartheid South Africa's best pal and was its best buddy, when many other nations were boycotting the odious apartheid regime.

munchester29 wrote: »

All the good Israel has done and is doing seems to be forgotten and I believe should be considered when boycotting suggestions are made.

Go to Gaza and tell people that. I don't see any good done in Gaza at all. I don't see any good done in the West Bank.

munchester29

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Benny Morris is an Israeli. What else would he say?

How do you respond to Archbishop Tutu saying it is?

That Benny Morris comment alone suggests you need to do a bit of research...

Flamed Diving

You could boycott dates, but it would be kinda hard to get laid...

Sleipnir

Any country that uses white phosphorus in heavily-populated areas is guilty of war crimes in my book, and in most others. The reasons behind why they do that are irrelevant.
Israel used it widely the latest conflict and even used it against U.N. targets ("Did we? Sorry!)

Of course, it's legal to use to as a smoke screen so that's what they say they were doing?

How would this air-burst provide an adaquate smoke screen?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0114/csmimg/OBURN_P1.jpg

ISRAEL - WAR CRIMINALS.

munchester29

wes wrote: »

They are facts. Insisting otherwise is ridiculous.

I guess will have to disagree on that, and anyone else can do their own research and come to their own conclusions.

wes wrote: »

Insisting that Israel is a democracy, despite the colonization, apartheid etc is ridiculous. If we are to lower the threshold for Israel, then the same should be done for Iran etc.

Same comment as above.

wes wrote: »

Go to Gaza and tell people that.

I’m afraid – I’m a gay woman who walks around in shorts. I would probably be killed the moment I set foot in Gaza.

wes

Flamed Diving wrote: »

You could boycott dates, but it would be kinda hard to get laid...

Random one night stands ftw then!!!!