Bench press - overhead press ratio

corribdude

What should you be overhead pressing relative to bench pressing, approximately? I often see the following ratios presented 2xbw Deadlift -> 1.5bw Squat -> 1bw Bench Press. How should overhead press measure up?

rubadub

The crossfit standards are here
http://www.crossfit.com/cf-journal/WLSTANDARDS.pdf
you can workout the ratios yourself.

A lot of people, myself included, think crossfits standards are high. I found this while searching, it has other "standards" for a 60kg woman, and crossfits are indeed the highest.
http://gubernatrix.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/strength-standards-comparison.pdf

DM-BM

I think those crossfit standards were written by Lon Kilgore and Mark Rippetoe.
I haven't read anybody else's theories on the press, but Rippetoe recommends that your press should be about 65% of your bench, however if you look at those standards they don't all conform to this.

gnolan

Was wondering about this too, found an alternative on t-nation, all the lifts are relative to your squat, deadlift and bench if i remember.

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/how_much_can_you_lift_wimp

Brian?

gnolan wrote: »

Was wondering about this too, found an alternative on t-nation, all the lifts are relative to your squat, deadlift and bench if i remember.

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/how_much_can_you_lift_wimp

Cheers for that, I was wondering about this myself recently.

Hanley

rubadub wrote: »

The crossfit standards are here
http://www.crossfit.com/cf-journal/WLSTANDARDS.pdf
you can workout the ratios yourself.

A lot of people, myself included, think crossfits standards are high. I found this while searching, it has other "standards" for a 60kg woman, and crossfits are indeed the highest.
http://gubernatrix.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/strength-standards-comparison.pdf

I really don't think the CF standards are too high at all. I'd almost say the Elite standards are a bit low....

At my first comp I was on the verge of an advanced squat, mid way thru inter and advanced on the bench and deadlift.

Now, almost 3 years later, I'm pretty much elite on the squat and deadlift, and mid way between inter and advanced on the bench. Like I'm awfully young, and have been training a relatively short period of time (4-5 years) to be hitting those standards.

From a powerlifting perspective, they're definitely low. For a "normal" person just going to the gym and training, I don't see why anyone wouldn't be able to hit advanced in 5-7 years, and elite in 10.

The list isn't really supposed to make you feel good about your lifts. You shouldnt be hitting advanced in 2 years like ya know?

Hanley

To answer the question,

I reckon when doing a 5rm set, I'd do about 57-60% of my bench, but my shoulders are very weak by comparison and i'm working hard on bringing them up.

Roper

Hanley wrote: »

I really don't think the CF standards are too high at all. I'd almost say the Elite standards are a bit low....

At my first comp I was on the verge of an advanced squat, mid way thru inter and advanced on the bench and deadlift.

Now, almost 3 years later, I'm pretty much elite on the squat and deadlift, and mid way between inter and advanced on the bench. Like I'm awfully young, and have been training a relatively short period of time (4-5 years) to be hitting those standards.

From a powerlifting perspective, they're definitely low. For a "normal" person just going to the gym and training, I don't see why anyone wouldn't be able to hit advanced in 5-7 years, and elite in 10.

The list isn't really supposed to make you feel good about your lifts. You shouldnt be hitting advanced in 2 years like ya know?

I don't think they're high for powerlifters, but I don't think anyone outside of powerlifting has much to gain by trying to hit Elite standards.