Do boxing fans feel threatened by MMA?

Pride Fighter

One of the greatest sporting spectacles is hitting Dublin this weekend. The UFC is the largest MMA organisation in the world and is consistently outselling major boxing events in the US. This question comes after Mick Dowling spewed lies and half truths regarding the sport of MMA such as there were 10 deaths in the UFC (the answer is zero btw). This was on the Joe Duffy show. Dowling then berated Irish national hero, Wayne McCullough (former WBC world champ and olympic silver medallist) by saying things like he has taken to many beatings in his day. McCullough is a goodwill ambassador for the UFC and is rational enough to see there is room for both. How dare Mick Dowling say such disgusting remarks about a good Irishman, as a result many of my Martial Arts friends are boycotting his shop, although he may never know.
What do others think?
I think there are many conservatives in the boxing world who are threatened by the growing prominence in MMA. There is also some boxers crossing over, such as Marcus Davis and many others. I believe MMA is the most exciting sport in the world. I think it is better than boxing. I do enjoy some boxing, particularly lighter weight contests that are technical and at a break neck speed. I was never a fan of slower heavy weight action.
Opinions?

sligobhoy67

Pride Fighter wrote: »

One of the greatest sporting spectacles is hitting Dublin this weekend. The UFC is the largest MMA organisation in the world and is consistently outselling major boxing events in the US. This question comes after Mick Dowling spewed lies and half truths regarding the sport of MMA such as there were 10 deaths in the UFC (the answer is zero btw). This was on the Joe Duffy show. Dowling then berated Irish national hero, Wayne McCullough (former WBC world champ and olympic silver medallist) by saying things like he has taken to many beatings in his day. McCullough is a goodwill ambassador for the UFC and is rational enough to see there is room for both. How dare Mick Dowling say such disgusting remarks about a good Irishman, as a result many of my Martial Arts friends are boycotting his shop, although he may never know.
What do others think?
I think there are many conservatives in the boxing world who are threatened by the growing prominence in MMA. There is also some boxers crossing over, such as Marcus Davis and many others. I believe MMA is the most exciting sport in the world. I think it is better than boxing. I do enjoy some boxing, particularly lighter weight contests that are technical and at a break neck speed. I was never a fan of slower heavy weight action.
Opinions?

as threatened as I feel from a wee brother thats not out of nappies!

as threatened as I feel from WWF!

as threatened as I feel from the circus!

sligobhoy67

Pride Fighter wrote: »

There is also some boxers crossing over, such as Marcus Davis and many others.

like who else?

Yeah Marcus Davies was a crackin boxer :rolleyes: he fought novices and tomato cans with negative records - end his career in boxing with a loss to the 10-6 Ed Bryant - sheesh!

Pride Fighter

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

as threatened as I feel from a wee brother thats not out of nappies!

as threatened as I feel from WWF!

as threatened as I feel from the circus!

Intelligent, articulate and well researched:rolleyes:

sligobhoy67

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Intelligent, articulate and well researched:rolleyes:

you know about research into what I feel threatened by?? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

sligobhoy67

Pride Fighter wrote: »

One of the greatest sporting spectacles is hitting Dublin this weekend. The UFC is the largest MMA organisation in the world and is consistently outselling major boxing events in the US. This question comes after Mick Dowling spewed lies and half truths regarding the sport of MMA such as there were 10 deaths in the UFC (the answer is zero btw). This was on the Joe Duffy show. Dowling then berated Irish national hero, Wayne McCullough (former WBC world champ and olympic silver medallist) by saying things like he has taken to many beatings in his day. McCullough is a goodwill ambassador for the UFC and is rational enough to see there is room for both. How dare Mick Dowling say such disgusting remarks about a good Irishman, as a result many of my Martial Arts friends are boycotting his shop, although he may never know.
What do others think?
I think there are many conservatives in the boxing world who are threatened by the growing prominence in MMA. There is also some boxers crossing over, such as Marcus Davis and many others. I believe MMA is the most exciting sport in the world. I think it is better than boxing. I do enjoy some boxing, particularly lighter weight contests that are technical and at a break neck speed. I was never a fan of slower heavy weight action.
Opinions?

maybe he has got mixed up with MMA in general!

how many UFC cards have there been EVER? There are more boxing cards per month then the total UFC cards in history

joepenguin

I think alot of boxing people feel threatend by mma. This is only natural, its competition to the business. Thats the way the promoters see it, thats the way the coaches see it. Guys may choose mma over boxing as a sport and as something they watch on a saturday night.

imo there is room for the two and both will succeed. Its great for boxing because 2008 was a fantastic year and 2009 may be better. Promoters know this and I believe it will benefit the fans in the long run. Ufc will continue to grow but I dont think it will overtake boxing as a whole. Ufc will do great numbers of course, but as a whole I think boxing is still a mile ahead.

Top level boxers make too much money to cross over also, sure you will get some guys gicing it a shot but I dont think we'll see the likes of pacman or Hatton throwing ona pair of 4oz anytime soon.

Regarding safety its 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Maybe there was 10 deaths in mma matches but promotions other than the ufc?

Pride Fighter

joepenguin wrote: »

Regarding safety its 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Maybe there was 10 deaths in mma matches but promotions other than the ufc?

In properly regulated matches there have been zero deaths. Properly regulated MMA matches give the fighters a thorough physical and dont allow fighters compete if recently knocked out in a fight or in training. In poorly regulated bouts there have been 3 deaths, 1 in the Ukraine that had no pre fight medical check up, 1 in Korea that did not give the fighter a proper medical, if it did they would have found a blood clot via MRI and one in the states which in which the person died in the same circumstances as in Korea.
But these fights are not real MMA matches in the same way underground boxing matches arent real boxing events.

sligobhoy67

Pride Fighter wrote: »

In properly regulated matches there have been zero deaths. Properly regulated MMA matches give the fighters a thorough physical and dont allow fighters compete if recently knocked out in a fight or in training. In poorly regulated bouts there have been 3 deaths, 1 in the Ukraine that had no pre fight medical check up, 1 in Korea that did not give the fighter a proper medical, if it did they would have found a blood clot via MRI and one in the states which in which the person died in the same circumstances as in Korea.
But these fights are not real MMA matches in the same way underground boxing matches arent real boxing events.

the card in which Douglas Dedge's death occured looked like a high profile card - no some back street affair.

As you can tell my respect for UFC and most MMA is pretty low.

However, i do enjoy K1

Pride Fighter

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

the card in which Douglas Dedge's death occured looked like a high profile card - no some back street affair.

As you can tell my respect for UFC and most MMA is pretty low.

However, i do enjoy K1

It was not. That was an unsanctioned bout in the Ukraine. Douglas Dedge was a journeyman karate fighter who was prone to blackouts in training. Everyone that ever trained with him told him to go to the doctor and he never did. He made his own decision and fought in Eastern Europe in an unsanctioned bout for 2,000$. Well done for using google:). I prefer boxing over K-1 myself, but several Dutch fighters in K-1 have nice hands and would be competitive at boxing given extra training.

joepenguin

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

As you can tell my respect for UFC and most MMA is pretty low.

However, i do enjoy K1

Personally I'm a casual fan of the ufc and have a lot of respect for it. However when someone switches around and sees a good old ground and pound I can understand how they see it as barbaric etc. plus cuts look a whole lot worse.

And yeah love k1!!!

joepenguin

Pride Fighter wrote: »

It was not. That was an unsanctioned bout in the Ukraine. Douglas Dedge was a journeyman karate fighter .......but several Dutch fighters in K-1 have nice hands and would be competitive at boxing given extra training.

Kyokushinkai was it?

which dutch fighters do you think would do well in boxing?

btw i see remy bomjasky is giving a seminar in the uk soon if that is of any interest.

Pride Fighter

joepenguin wrote: »

Kyokushinkai was it?

which dutch fighters do you think would do well in boxing?

btw i see remy bomjasky is giving a seminar in the uk soon if that is of any interest.

I think Dedge just did Shotokan Karate. Bonjanski is one of the fighters who I think could do well in boxing, Semmy Shilt too. Shilt is 7 ft tall and has a huge reach advantage over everyone he fights. I'd say with specialisation in boxing he could become a European champion at the least.

If I had the money I'd go to the seminar. Cheers for the heads up anyway:)

joepenguin

cool, just when you said karate i thought it was knockdown or something as opposed to k1.

Nikolai Valuev has done well for himself in boxing with just being 7 foot tall so id imagine Shilt could have a good crack at it amongst others.

Manny Pacquaio vs Buakow anyone?!?

cowzerp

as a fan of the mma and boxing i think mma is great for boxing, it keeps the promoters on top of there games, i think some mma fans need to understand that not everyone likes everything, some people like soccer but dont like gaa! the ufc in particular is the main element for trying to have this dislike for each other as it gets them more publicity than been buddys with boxing, both will thrive and eventually when mma is proper mainstream then the hype will die down and it will be left with just the genuine fans. Unlike right now.

T-K-O

To answer the question, yes some boxing fans do feel threatened. Why ? I have no idea they are two completely different sports.

I am a boxing fan first but I am also an MMA fan. Boxing has a lot to learn from franchises such as the UFC. The marketing is light years ahead of boxing. The fight cards are always stacked. When was the last time you got a PPV with 3 top fights, hell you would be lucky to get 1 decent fight before the main event.

Mick Dowling made a show of himself on the radio. Talking down to an Irish boxing legend that is Wayne McCullough. And the other idiots on the show saying that people die all the time in MMA. BS all BS.

Research deaths in MMA, they are few andf far between. Two of the deaths I read about were over 10 years ago and took place in an non sanctioned event.

cowzerp

the radio talk show was not boxing fans or boxing people talking ****, apart from dowling and mccullogh too! He,s a bad talker! It was ignorant eejits that would of been cursing boxing if the show was about boxing instead of mma. The boxing world has had this for years, its nothing new.

sligobhoy67

cowzerp wrote: »

the radio talk show was not boxing fans or boxing people talking ****, apart from dowling and mccullogh too! He,s a bad talker! It was ignorant eejits that would of been cursing boxing if the show was about boxing instead of mma. The boxing world has had this for years, its nothing new.

Paul, we have talked about this MMA v Boxing issue before and you know that I really dont like MMA - simple because I cant stand "ground and pound" and because the boxing skills of the vast majority are that of the worst professional boxers and I dont like the way it is marketed or how the UFC ties its fighters to such constrained contracts.

I respect all MMA participants as atheletes and they all look in great shape - the same can always all boxers.

T-K-O

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

Paul, we have talked about this MMA v Boxing issue before and you know that I really dont like MMA - simple because I cant stand "ground and pound" and because the boxing skills of the vast majority are that of the worst professional boxers and I dont like the way it is marketed or how the UFC ties its fighters to such constrained contracts.

I respect all MMA participants as atheletes and they all look in great shape - the same can always all boxers.

I'm sorry that is a ridiculous reason, MMA is NOT boxing, of course their boxing skills are no where near as good - If they where as good they would be boxers!

Comparing boxing to MMA is like comparing boxing with Jujitsu. Two completely different sports the only difference is MMA is getting huge...

sligobhoy67

T-K-O wrote: »

I'm sorry that is a ridiculous reason, MMA is NOT boxing, of course their boxing skills are no where near as good - If they where as good they would be boxers!

Comparing boxing to MMA is like comparing boxing with Jujitsu. Two completely different sports the only difference is MMA is getting huge...

what utter bull**** nonsense - if you were able to read TKO then you would understand what the statement said. I was outlining the reasons I dont like MMA. :rolleyes:

I like boxing - therefore I look for boxing skills - MMA fighters in general lack this quality and is one of the main reasons that I dont like it.

Try reading what posts actually say in furture before ya open yer big gob!

cowzerp

the boxing in mma is improving a lot, most ufc fighters train with pro boxing coaches these day,s, davis is actually very good and you should check him out.

sligobhoy67

cowzerp wrote: »

the boxing in mma is improving a lot, most ufc fighters train with pro boxing coaches these day,s, davis is actually very good and you should check him out.

I've seen Davis fight and I might check out some of the UFC tonight to catch a look at the Egan fella and Davis if it doesnt clash with Tyson Furys fight or the McAllister v Murray fight.

I saw a couple of Davis fights and he looked good against the scouser Kelly (outclassed him) and agains another english guy that called him a "Plastic Paddy" not a wise move from my memory - possibly the Tan fight.

His record as a pro boxer was distinctly average.

T-K-O

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

what utter bull**** nonsense - if you were able to read TKO then you would understand what the statement said. I was outlining the reasons I dont like MMA. :rolleyes:

I like boxing - therefore I look for boxing skills - MMA fighters in general lack this quality and is one of the main reasons that I dont like it.

Try reading what posts actually say in furture before ya open yer big gob!

MMA is not boxing and only an idiot would judge MMA on boxing skills or a lack of and only looking for boxing skills is just plain ignorance to the sport of MMA. Watch guys like Silva, Chung le, Miguel Torres etc these guys are very talented dudes in multiple styles. Have they great boxing skills who cares, it's NOT boxing.

sligobhoy67

T-K-O wrote: »

MMA is not boxing and only an idiot would judge MMA on boxing skills or a lack of and only looking for boxing skills is just plain ignorance to the sport of MMA. Watch guys like Silva, Chung le, Miguel Torres etc these guys are very talented dudes in multiple styles. Have they great boxing skills who cares, it's NOT boxing.

*loud sigh!* if it makes you feel better - yeah yer right. :rolleyes:

I'm outta this thread.

T-K-O

I know I am right...

Nice retort by the way :rolleyes:

dlofnep

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

*loud sigh!* if it makes you feel better - yeah yer right. :rolleyes:

I'm outta this thread.

Sorry, but he'sright Sligobhoy. MMA requires a fighter to be comfortable in all elements of combat (striking, clinchwork, ground). Boxing only requires you to be competent in one area of one area (striking). So naturally based on this premise, boxer's level of boxing is going to be a much higher standard to MMA. Mixed martial artists don't have the luxury of spending all their time focusing on their hands.

In saying that - MMA as a sport has come a long way. I am a long-time, and almost veteran MMA fan at this point. I watched it go from a discipline v discipline type event, to today's event where fighters are fully rounded and are comfortable in all ranges.

Here are a few videos for you to watch Sligbhoy, of which I feel are good demonstrations of MMA in action, or elements of it in action.

First up - Sakuraba v Newton (A great demonstration of grappling in MMA): http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVpp7PtWexk

Torres v Maeda (All round classic battle, first round is missing though ): http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7u6cn_miguel-torres-maeda_sport

Nog v Sapp (Skill overcomes brute strength): http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x103sw_antonio-rodrigo-noguiera-vs-bob-sap_sport

Fedor v Herring (Coming out party for greatest fighter on the planet): http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/fedor%2Bherring/video/x4tel1_prideemelyaninko-vs-herring_sport

All of the above videos are special for various reason, but the demonstrate to me - why I love the sport. It is possible to love MMA and boxing, but only if you stop feeling threatened by MMA and accept it as a different sport, that covers different areas of combat.

sligobhoy67

dlofnep wrote: »

Sorry, but he'sright Sligobhoy. MMA requires a fighter to be comfortable in all elements of combat (striking, clinchwork, ground). Boxing only requires you to be competent in one area of one area (striking). So naturally based on this premise, boxer's level of boxing is going to be a much higher standard to MMA. Mixed martial artists don't have the luxury of spending all their time focusing on their hands.

In saying that - MMA as a sport has come a long way. I am a long-time, and almost veteran MMA fan at this point. I watched it go from a discipline v discipline type event, to today's event where fighters are fully rounded and are comfortable in all ranges.

Here are a few videos for you to watch Sligbhoy, of which I feel are good demonstrations of MMA in action, or elements of it in action.

First up - Sakuraba v Newton (A great demonstration of grappling in MMA): http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVpp7PtWexk

Torres v Maeda (All round classic battle, first round is missing though ): http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7u6cn_miguel-torres-maeda_sport

Nog v Sapp (Skill overcomes brute strength): http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x103sw_antonio-rodrigo-noguiera-vs-bob-sap_sport

Fedor v Herring (Coming out party for greatest fighter on the planet): http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/fedor%2Bherring/video/x4tel1_prideemelyaninko-vs-herring_sport

All of the above videos are special for various reason, but the demonstrate to me - why I love the sport. It is possible to love MMA and boxing, but only if you stop feeling threatened by MMA and accept it as a different sport, that covers different areas of combat.

watched those videos - some interesting stuff - I actually did enjoy the top one which was wrestling - which I thought I wouldnt.

Just to show good will to you nuthuggin MMA biatches I've put £20 on a Egan 2/1 and Davis 8/11 double tonight

dlofnep

Welcome to the dark-side brother! It's possible to love MMA and Boxing. That way, there's more weekly fixes of combat! That top fight is one of the greatest displays of grappling in MMA. Classic battle. Sakuraba is a cult-icon in MMA.. Creative fighter in his day.. He's shot now

pacquiao

The only people who should feel threatened funnily enough is the martial arts.
Boxing has been around since 2000bc im sure it will be ok.

sligobhoy67

pacquiao wrote: »

The only people who should feel threatened funnily enough is the martial arts.
Boxing has been around since 2000bc im sure it will be ok.

how long have martial arts been around - gonna stick me neck out and say longer than boxing! but isnt boxing a martial art?

dlofnep

MMA was around in ancient Greece as Pankration.

Useless fact for ye

pacquiao

Your post is nonsenical.
Boxing is the oldest recorded "martial art".
You obviosuly failed to understand my post. Let me rephrase it for you.
People want to learn how to fight. Not do katas, an dtuigeann tú?

T-K-O

I totally agree dlofnep you simply cannot compare these two sports. They are worlds apart and that is why you cannot criticize these guys for their boxing ability, some dude don't even need striking to win.

Boxing should not be threatened but they should take note.. I would love to see boxing cards as stacked as MMA. How many times have you stayed up for a PPV and the only fight that was worth watching was the main event, this happens to often in boxing. I was at the Calzaghe V Jones fight and the undercard was awful as is most boxing under cards




BTW Torres is a monster for the weight he fights at and I would also guess the martial art pre date boxing.

T-K-O

pacquiao wrote: »

Your post is nonsenical.
Boxing is the oldest recorded "martial art".
You obviosuly failed to understand my post. Let me rephrase it for you.
People want to learn how to fight. Not do katas, an dtuigeann tú?

Can you back that up, I would say wrestling is older than both

ODD-JOB

MMA is good fun !
It's entertaining stuff.

But comparing it to boxing is like comparing :

Cheesy pop vs. Classical music.

MMA fighters have limited overall skills at many different elements of combat.
Boxing has a refined and highly tuned art of a specific element of combat.

The MMA promoters try hard to link boxing and MMA in the same sentence , and its a clever marketing strategy.

There used to be so much critisizm over boxing as a deadly sport,....introducing measures like heavily padded gloves , reduction of rounds / round duration, should one fighter fall then he gets a eight/ten count and is assesed by the ref, Ringside doctor always on hand to judge cuts, pupil dilation, the suspension of a bout to allow a mouth-gaurd to be cleaned and re-inserted into the boxers mouth etc.

What I see in MMA is fighters getting K.O'ed.falling to the floor unconcious and taking a further 5 or 6 unnecessary blows before the ref decides its enough.

It's a far more dangerous game than boxing , imo.
As Lou DiBella says .... it's advertised with blood-splats, and is aimed at middle class white american kids who have evolved from WWF.

The longer MMA goes on though , the level of skill should flourish and saftey standards will improve.

At the end of the day , I wouldnt stay up till 3 am to see it ,.... or i wouldnt leave a night-club early to rush home to see it.

Boxing on the other hand has me glued to the streams every friday and saturday night till 5am , and I never fail to miss a televised fight.

Im just afraid now that boxing will change it's tradition to re-capture the kids who are now following MMA.
With promoters like golden boy etc. with the power to change the traditional appeal of the sport.

T-K-O

I dont accept that they have limited over all skills, limited compare to what ?

Guys like Couture (wrestling), Almeida (jiujutsu), Chung le (Sanshou) and the list goes on all fought at the very top of their disciplines.

These guys are also as good as it gets in MMA, so I fail to understand how that is limited

Duddyfan

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

as threatened as I feel from a wee brother thats not out of nappies!

as threatened as I feel from WWF!

as threatened as I feel from the circus!

You hit the nail on the head there mate! I can't imagine Joe Public in Ireland getting excited about MMA like they do when the likes of Duddy, Dunne or Lee have big fights on.
Boxing has a long history in Ireland and I can never imagine MMA or anything like it taking over in popularity.

Running Bing

The rise in popularity of MMA is symptomatic of the way society is going today imo. People simply want the quick fix, they want spectacle, they dont want to invest time and effort in things.

To me MMA is MTV to Boxings National Geographicchannel, its a McDonalds Big Mac to Boxings Fillet Mignon, its American Pie to Boxings Godfather.

To me boxing is both a beautiful Art and a complex science, it is primarily about technique and skill. MMA to me is more about brute strength and force. Thats fine but it cant compare imo. Brock Lesner and Nikolai Valuev illustrate this point perfectly. Lesner enters UFC and after three fights he is fighting possibly the greatest MMA figther ever for the highest accolade in the sport and beats him! Valuev on the other hand can barely beat an ageing Evander Holyfield.


I dont mind UFC, Ill watch the odd fight and its fun and entertaining but for me boxing will always be a supreme test of skill and for those willing to look beneath the surface and invest the time and effort it will be infinitely more rewarding than the quick fix that is MMA.

PS: As far as outselling boxing events goes the UFC can only dream of hitting the numbers boxing does when the really big fights take place.

dlofnep

Babybing wrote: »

Brock Lesner and Nikolai Valuev illustrate this point perfectly. Lesner enters UFC and after three fights he is fighting possibly the greatest MMA figther ever for the highest accolade in the sport and beats him! Valuev on the other hand can barely beat an ageing Evander Holyfield.

Lesnar won because he was an NCAA wrestling champion, and had years of mat-work done before ever training for MMA. Randy was 45 years of age. Randy's strength is wrestling, and it just so happened that a bigger, stronger, younger, quicker wrestler beat him.

MMA is not about brute strength: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x103sw_antonio-rodrigo-noguiera-vs-bob-sap_sport

MMA requires an awful amount of skill. Only someone who has never trained in it would say something like that. Ask Cowzer the effort involved for MMA. He has competed in both boxing an MMA.

I'm amazed about the level of ignorance on MMA here to be honest. I'd expect more from fight fans.

T-K-O

Babybing wrote: »

The rise in popularity of MMA is symptomatic of the way society is going today imo. People simply want the quick fix, they want spectacle, they dont want to invest time and effort in things.

To me MMA is MTV to Boxings National Geographicchannel, its a McDonalds Big Mac to Boxings Fillet Mignon, its American Pie to Boxings Godfather.

To me boxing is both a beautiful Art and a complex science, it is primarily about technique and skill. MMA to me is more about brute strength and force. Thats fine but it cant compare imo. Brock Lesner and Nikolai Valuev illustrate this point perfectly. Lesner enters UFC and after three fights he is fighting possibly the greatest MMA figther ever for the highest accolade in the sport and beats him! Valuev on the other hand can barely beat an ageing Evander Holyfield.


I dont mind UFC, Ill watch the odd fight and its fun and entertaining but for me boxing will always be a supreme test of skill and for those willing to look beneath the surface and invest the time and effort it will be infinitely more rewarding than the quick fix that is MMA.

PS: As far as outselling boxing events goes the UFC can only dream of hitting the numbers boxing does when the really big fights take place.

I have to disagree on that, sure Lesnar beat Randy after 3 fights, but Randy was inactive and old (still a legend). Lesnar got a title shot becuase he is a huge draw in the states most fans dislike him but they will pay to watch regardless. The HW division at the UFC is not that strong, a lot of the top HW's fight in different franchises.

NOTE: Randy Couture also fought for the UFC title after 3 fights and went on to be a great champion.

Saying MMA is all brute force couldn't be further from the truth, have a look at Lesnars 2nd fight against Frank Mir, Brock comes out swinging and seems to be on top only to be tapped out with and armbar.

I'm sure you guys have heard of Kimbo Slice, this dude was a street fighter and expected to make a big splash in MMA due to his sheer size, well he has waxed by a nobody in his second fight.

Point being Lesnar is a freak and not the norm.

BJ is a small dude with ridiculous skills and has beat guys twice his size. Anderson Silve arguably L4L #1 in the world just looks like an average guy yet he is unstoppable thus far.

In pride (an alternative to UFC) they would have special event where guys from all weight classed would fight, the more skillful guys wins 9/10 times.

T-K-O

dlofnep wrote: »

Lesnar won because he was an NCAA wrestling champion, and had years of mat-work done before ever training for MMA. Randy was 45 years of age. Randy's strength is wrestling, and it just so happened that a bigger, stronger, younger, quicker wrestler beat him.

MMA is not about brute strength: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x103sw_antonio-rodrigo-noguiera-vs-bob-sap_sport

MMA requires an awful amount of skill. Only someone who has never trained in it would say something like that. Ask Cowzer the effort involved for MMA. He has competed in both boxing an MMA.

I'm amazed about the level of ignorance on MMA here to be honest. I'd expect more from fight fans.

Dude, I have never trained in MMA but I understand and appreciate the skills involved. These guys are every bit as skillful as boxers, Boxing fans tend to take that in a negative light for some strange reason.

The ignorance on this board to MMA is a surprise. It's fine if you dont follow or watch the sport but its wrong for guys to come out with statements such as "MMA is all about brute Force"

dlofnep

I didn't mean it in the context that you had to train to understand it, but rather that someone would never say such things having trained in an MMA gym.

sligobhoy67

dlofnep wrote: »

Lesnar won because he was an NCAA wrestling champion, and had years of mat-work done before ever training for MMA. Randy was 45 years of age. Randy's strength is wrestling, and it just so happened that a bigger, stronger, younger, quicker wrestler beat him.

MMA is not about brute strength: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x103sw_antonio-rodrigo-noguiera-vs-bob-sap_sport

MMA requires an awful amount of skill. Only someone who has never trained in it would say something like that. Ask Cowzer the effort involved for MMA. He has competed in both boxing an MMA.

I'm amazed about the level of ignorance on MMA here to be honest. I'd expect more from fight fans.

Like I have said I dont really respect MMA and I definately dont like that way wee biatches that couldnt fight there way out of a paper bag and grew up watching WWE and now UFC talk about boxing.

Like I also said, I do respect many MMA fighters as athletes and recognise the complex Greco and Roman wrestling techniques that are employed and havent a clue how they do it - its just I dont really enjoy watching it in general.

I really dont enjoy watching the stuff where one guy is sat on anothers and they pull each other close for defense and what I despise is the hand in the face, push down and switch it to the elbow to the eye thing they do.

And I have thought about it since my earlier post and have come to the conclusion those who say you cant compare both sports are wrong, you can compare both sports overlap. The main part where they overlap is the "striking" or boxing. Of course we can compare their boxing skills - also most MMA fighters I see come out and position themselves in a boxing stance with others employing for of a Muay Thai stance (I like Muay Thai).

Am bored typin now so good luck!

T-K-O

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

Like I have said I dont really respect MMA and I definately dont like that way wee biatches that couldnt fight there way out of a paper bag and grew up watching WWE and now UFC talk about boxing.

Like I also said, I do respect many MMA fighters as athletes and recognise the complex Greco and Roman wrestling techniques that are employed and havent a clue how they do it - its just I dont really enjoy watching it in general.

I really dont enjoy watching the stuff where one guy is sat on anothers and they pull each other close for defense and what I despise is the hand in the face, push down and switch it to the elbow to the eye thing they do.

And I have thought about it since my earlier post and have come to the conclusion those who say you cant compare both sports are wrong, you can compare both sports overlap. The main part where they overlap is the "striking" or boxing. Of course we can compare their boxing skills - also most MMA fighters I see come out and position themselves in a boxing stance with others employing for of a Muay Thai stance (I like Muay Thai).

Am bored typin now so good luck!

Yes you can compare their boxing skills, but you cannot say the MMA dude is less talented because his boxing skills are not on the same level.

And for the record MMA guys do not have a boxing stance - There are differences, subtle but different none the less.

Seifer

Duddyfan wrote:

I can't imagine Joe Public in Ireland getting excited about MMA like they do when the likes of Duddy, Dunne or Lee have big fights on.
Boxing has a long history in Ireland and I can never imagine MMA or anything like it taking over in popularity.

Joe Public couldn't give a toss about boxing, at least in the circles I find myself in.
On the other hand I know lots of people who sat infront of a ufc event and loved it ever since.
Now you could use this for some sort of flash over substance attack but the more you get into it the more you realise why Joe Rogan is getting so excited as the two fighters transition from one position to another countering and impeding their opponent as they do.
There's a hidden depth there that is present in any serious sport. The kind of depth that when the athletes perform well makes Joe Public think, "I could do that".

sligobhoy67

Seifer wrote: »

Joe Public couldn't give a toss about boxing, at least in the circles I find myself in.
On the other hand I know lots of people who sat infront of a ufc event and loved it ever since.
Now you could use this for some sort of flash over substance attack but the more you get into it the more you realise why Joe Rogan is getting so excited as the two fighters transition from one position to another countering and impeding their opponent as they do.
There's a hidden depth there that is present in any serious sport. The kind of depth that when the athletes perform well makes Joe Public think, "I could do that".

bull****! Ask Joe Public if he/she can name a current boxer - ask them if they can name a current MMA artist.

Maybe you need to widen yer circles!

Hangballlouie

Seifer wrote: »

Joe Public couldn't give a toss about boxing, at least in the circles I find myself in.

You're hanging around in the wrong circles then.

To be honest, I could take or leave MMA, it isn't something that I search for in any form of media.

Of course there is skill in it, you just have to look for it, really really hard.

I would like to get this back to the topc of the thread, as it is turning into an advert for MMA, and the last time I checked it was a boxing forum.

The answer is no, boxing shouldn't feel threatened by MMA.

It is a fad that will lose some popularity, and although it is around for the long haul, it will never overtake boxing.

The 1 thing boxing needs to do is keep them separate.

I hear the GBP is putting on joint MMA/Boxing cards.
I don't and can't agree with this.

Seifer

Lol, my circles are just fine lads.

sligobhoy67 wrote:

Ask Joe Public if he/she can name a current boxer - ask them if they can name a current MMA artist.

Only one of them is covered by the main stream media in Ireland so that doesn't really show much.

hangballlouie wrote:

I would like to get this back to the topc of the thread, as it is turning into an advert for MMA, and the last time I checked it was a boxing forum.

The answer is no, boxing shouldn't feel threatened by MMA.

My point was that MMA, almost exclusively through the vessel of the UFC, is gaining lots of new fans.
Boxing is not. Unless you're in the right circles of course

dlofnep

I would say MMA is more popular among 16-25 age category in Ireland. Most people I work with don't know alot about boxing, but they always ask me about upcoming MMA events. There's probably one guy I work with that I always talk about boxing with.

Older folk are more avid boxing fans.

Hangballlouie

Seifer wrote: »

Lol, my circles are just fine lads.

Only one of them is covered by the main stream media in Ireland so that doesn't really show much.


My point was that MMA, almost exclusively through the vessel of the UFC, is gaining lots of new fans.
Boxing is not. Unless you're in the right circles of course

Boxing is a minority sport, and for a sport thats been around for so long, doesn't get enough coverage in the media as it should in my opinion.

I agree that MMA is popular, but as I said, this will falter, and it will only have a certain hardcore base in a few years.

As regards boxing not gaining popularity you are wrong. The rise in new members at clubs has almost doubled in the last five years, and will continue to rise.

IMO there is a new support around the corner for boxing, we shall rise to greatness again. The cream always does, and boxing is the greatest sport in the world.

I respect you for been a fan of MMA and wouldn't attack MMA, I just don't like it that much. I see better fights in the flats I grew up in.

Seifer

hangballlouie wrote:

I see better fights in the flats I grew up in.

See that doesn't make any sense.
If I had said to you I've seen better boxing matches out on the street you would've replied that they aren't boxing and would have no skill etc.
MMA is not about knocking the sh!te out of each other. There is just as much skill involved, although some would say more since you have to be proficient in all areas of fighting as opposed to just striking.