Banned from Soccer forum for "thanks"

redout

I was given a one week ban from the soccer forum last night for hitting the "thanks" button on a post which had the poster banned by a mod. Then another mod came and banned every person who had thanked the poster. The reason giving was "Thanking abusive posts. Its a very sneaky way of abuse and you get the same punishment."

Now in my opinion the poster was not being so much abusive as taking the piss and being funny. He used the whole Roy Keane saipan incident and I along with half a dozen others thought it was hilarious and thanked it for that reason. Now in my opinion the poster was not being belligerent and posted only in jest.

I think being banned with hald a dozen others for "thanking" the post is harsh and could have been dealt with in another fashion. Red card and 7 day ban was extreme in my opinion. A yellow card and infraction would have been more appropriate.

Do I have a case here mods or am I wasting my time ? I sent a pm to the mod last night but I never recieved a reply ?

javaboy

See this thread about the same thing: http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055458995

You don't have a case unless the original post you thanked wasn't abusive I reckon. Also you should post ban appeals in Help Desk too to stop people like me poking their nose in.

redout

javaboy wrote: »

See this thread about the same thing: http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055458995

You don't have a case unless the original post you thanked wasn't abusive I reckon. Also you should post ban appeals in Help Desk too to stop people like me poking their nose in.

After reading that I would not hold out much hope.

Beruthiel

If you thanked a post that was against the forum charter you get banned from the forum.
Thems the rules.

Rubbish tbh. Stupid rule. I have thanked posts for their stupidity (because they make me laugh) as much as I have for their quality.

redout

Beruthiel wrote: »

If you thanked a post that was against the forum charter you get banned from the forum.
Thems the rules.

Yes after reading the above link I understand that. I think that the mods need to get a better handle on things though. I have seen numerous incidents that go unpunished in the forum in question. Now I am not a tattle tail and dont report others posts (only if I felt it to be totally out of order).

I dont think its acceptable to ban one person for this incident and not another for a different incident which is clearly in violation of the forum charter. I know that mods can be busy but it really ruffles my feathers to get a ban for something less worthy imo than someone who actually said something out of order and deliberately violated the forum charter and was their intention to do so.

javaboy

redout wrote: »

Yes after reading the above link I understand that. I think that the mods need to get a better handle on things though. I have seen numerous incidents that go unpunished in the forum in question. Now I am not a tattle tail and dont report others posts (only if I felt it to be totally out of order).

I dont think its acceptable to ban one person for this incident and not another for a different incident which is clearly in violation of the forum charter. I know that mods can be busy but it really ruffles my feathers to get a ban for something less worthy imo than someone who actually said something out of order and deliberately violated the forum charter and was their intention to do so.

So you expect the mods to read every single post then? If you don't report posts that you think violate the charter, you don't get to complain when nothing is done about them.

stevenmu

Deleted User wrote: »

Rubbish tbh. Stupid rule. I have thanked posts for their stupidity (because they make me laugh) as much as I have for their quality.

Stupidity is one thing, but posters have thanked posts which were clearly abuse against another user as a sneaky way of getting a dig in, which is every bit as bad as making the post originally.

redout

javaboy wrote: »

So you expect the mods to read every single post then? If you don't report posts that you think violate the charter, you don't get to complain when nothing is done about them.

If I was to honestly report every post that I thought broke the forum charter I would get a reputation as a tattle tail and probably be ignored by the mods for the most part. It is not my job to report them in the first place. It is a convenience to mods that members report posts in the first place. It makes mods jobs a whole lot easier but leaves room for certain violations to slip through the net so to speak. It works both ways.

javaboy

redout wrote: »

It makes mods jobs a whole lot easier but leaves room for certain violations to slip through the net so to speak. It works both ways.

Right then so you accept that some breaches of the charter are inevitably going to be missed if people don't report posts? How can you then complain about those posts being missed?

GuanYin

The rules are clearly outlined. Every poster in soccer has read the rules and every poster has agreed to follow the rules.

The rules state that thanking a post that breaks the rules will get you infrated and/or banned (which reminds me, I never infracted anyone).

It's pretty simple, we give you access because you agee to abide by the rules.

The minute you break the rules, we revoke access.

I suggest you refresh your memory and read them again when your ban expires.

Deleted User wrote: »

Rubbish tbh. Stupid rule. I have thanked posts for their stupidity (because they make me laugh) as much as I have for their quality.

It's in the charter, you agreed to follow it. If you now no longer wish to follow it, let me know and I'll return your permissions to read-only.

Daysha

Guys, you can blame me for your ban if you like. When I read Killme00s post about being banned due to the thanks, I backed him up via PM, but as you can see, the ban stood.

Then when I saw all the people thanking Pigheads abusive post I PMed one of the mods asking were they going to go down the same route as Killme's ban and ban all the people who thanked the post, because the last thing I would've wanted to see were some people being banned for one thing and others getting away scot free for the same thing.

It may seem harsh, and I do think that certain rule needs to be looked at in more detail, but the fact is there's a specific post in the charter explaining that any thanking of an abusive post gets a ban.

That said, I'm happy to see the football mods bring some consistency to the forum.

mike65

So if we organised a mass thanking of a banned contribution would we have revolution?

Who's willing to lay down thier life and be martyr

DublinWriter

mike65 wrote: »

So if we organised a mass thanking of a banned contribution would we have revolution?

I, for one, welcome our new troll overlords...

Terry

redout wrote: »

If I was to honestly report every post that I thought broke the forum charter I would get a reputation as a tattle tail and probably be ignored by the mods for the most part. It is not my job to report them in the first place. It is a convenience to mods that members report posts in the first place. It makes mods jobs a whole lot easier but leaves room for certain violations to slip through the net so to speak. It works both ways.

A tattle tale?
This isn't primary school.

We look at every reported post in our forums and judge them on the content.
We don't laugh at people who constantly report posts. We actually prefer people report posts than end up here giving out about how the mods ignore certain stuff.

It's almost impossible to read every post in some forums. Soccer would be one of them.
Reporting posts helps the mods work more efficiently and in turn keep their forums free of crap.
Don't take it personally if a mod doesn't act on your reported post though.
We generally go on instinct.
What is acceptable to one mod may not be acceptable to another, but we discuss these things and 99.99999% of the time we all end up agreeing with each other.

Mike65 wrote:

So if we organised a mass thanking of a banned contribution would we have revolution?

Who's willing to lay down thier life and be martyr

I usually throw my hat into the ring for these things, but I don't have access to the soccer forum.
No interest in it.

redout

javaboy wrote: »

Right then so you accept that some breaches of the charter are inevitably going to be missed if people don't report posts? How can you then complain about those posts being missed?

If mods patrolled the forum more vigourously then nothing would slip through the net in the first place. If that means taking on another mod or two then so be it. Just out of curiousity who wrote the charter in the first palce. Was it a one man job or was there a consultation between other mods ? A suggestion would be to write a draft charter and then put it to the members of the said forum to vote on much the same as a referendum. I think that it would be a fair democratic process if every member of the forum was given a vote, no ?

mike65

redout wrote: »

A suggestion would be to write a draft charter and then put it to the members of the said forum to vote on much the same as a referendum. I think that it would be a fair democratic process if every member of the forum was given a vote, no ?

Heh! Can you imagine getting anything agreed with the input of forum users?

Anyway as the mantra goes, boards is not a democracy.

GuanYin

GuanYin wrote: »

It's in the charter, you agreed to follow it. If you now no longer wish to follow it, let me know and I'll return your permissions to read-only.

I am following it.

Sorry but this is feedback and I haven't broken any rules. I've merely expressed my opinion on the rule. I didn't say I was gonna break it. You knew already my opinion on it pretty well, I'm just expressing it again here, it's nothing shocking or new to you to be fair.

Overheal

GuanYin wrote: »

The rules state that thanking a post that breaks the rules will get you infrated and/or banned (which reminds me, I never infracted anyone).

I respect that Soccer is a highly Volatile forum but Surely an Infraction for all Thanking Users would have been more appropriate?

DublinWriter wrote:

I, for one, welcome our new troll overlords...

Mike65 is a champ. Not a Troll.

Mike65 wrote:

So if we organised a mass thanking of a banned contribution would we have revolution?

The Political parties are gathering already..

Redout wrote:

If I was to honestly report every post that I thought broke the forum charter I would get a reputation as a tattle tail and probably be ignored by the mods for the most part. It is not my job to report them in the first place. It is a convenience to mods that members report posts in the first place. It makes mods jobs a whole lot easier but leaves room for certain violations to slip through the net so to speak. It works both ways.

You don't have to report each and every post, per sé. If a whole thread is getting burned down its sufficient to report the start of the derailment and mention in your report its not isolated to the one post.

I would get a reputation as a tattle tail

Or as someone who respects the forum they post in.

redout

julep wrote: »

A tattle tale?
This isn't primary school.

We look at every reported post in our forums and judge them on the content.
We don't laugh at people who constantly report posts. We actually prefer people report posts than end up here giving out about how the mods ignore certain stuff.

In fairness you are but one mod and cannot speak for them all. There are some mods on here that if you were to believe the feedback by some members are on powertrips and should not be mods in the first place. Not saying that in my case as I have not read anything negative about that mod in particular. As for the school reference you could have fooled me. Some of the stuff that is said on here belongs in a school yard.

javaboy

julep wrote: »

I usually throw my hat into the ring for these things, but I don't have access to the soccer forum.
No interest in it.

Hey Julep, you can still thank posts in Soccer so you could get pre-banned if you wanted to.

Boggles

Hilarious, so there were 15 people banned including Pighead?

Jaysus who was the mod having the bad day?

javaboy

redout wrote: »

If mods patrolled the forum more vigourously then nothing would slip through the net in the first place. If that means taking on another mod or two then so be it.

So you do expect the mods to read every post then? It's simply not practical. Users have to do their bit as well.

redout

Boggles wrote: »

Hilarious, so there were 15 people banned including Pighead?

Jaysus who was the mod having the bad day?

15 ? Fuvk me. There was only 6 of us initially !

Boggles

redout wrote: »

15 ? Fuvk me. There was only 6 of us initially !

14 people thanked the post.

Maybe some were in protest for their 6 fallen brothers.

_blank_

redout wrote: »

If I was to honestly report every post that I thought broke the forum charter I would get a reputation as a tattle tail and probably be ignored by the mods for the most part.

this happens

anyway.

fifteen people banned?

fúck sake like.

_blank_

Boggles wrote: »

14 people thanked the post.

Maybe some were in protest for there 6 fallen brothers.

which post was it?

edit.

lol

warning for this?

ffs.

peopole getting banned for thanking it is a complete joke.

it's clearly a parody of Roy Keane.

jaysis.

lighten up

redout

Boggles wrote: »

14 people thanked the post.

Maybe some were in protest for their 6 fallen brothers.

+1. Brothers till the end.

Daysha

Des wrote: »

which post was it?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58624105&postcount=290

Boggles

Des wrote: »

which post was it?

Pigheads Post 290 in the Kaka express interest to City Thread.

Edit: good man deise.

Hobart

I presume that this was for the Dunphy parody? Totally ridiculous, and so over the top, it's laughable.

Pighead, was obvioulsy having a laugh. I think that most people got it, obvioulsy one or two did not.

What the mods obvioulsy missed here was the intent. Was the post reported by anybody?

Daithi McGee

Des wrote: »

this happens

anyway.

fifteen people banned?

fúck sake like.

At this rate all posts will have to be pre approved by 2012


Internet. Boardsie.Serious Business

_blank_

yeah I found it.

as I said.

complete over-reaction.

is everyone who thanked it banned, or just a chosen few?

mike65

Pighead rules. FACT

Hobart

Des wrote: »

yeah I found it.

as I said.

complete over-reaction.

is everyone who thanked it banned, or just a chosen few?

I think 14 + Pighead, by the looks of thing. From now on I will refer to Pighead as PNIG.

Boggles

Des wrote: »

is everyone who thanked it banned, or just a chosen few?

I presume everyone who thanked it.

You can still thank it by the way.

Daysha

Personally speaking, I don't have a problem with the mods banning Pighead.

Believe it or not Des, it's not clear to everyone that was a parody on Roy Keane. Hell, I've been following football all my life and someone had to explain to me where the parody came from.

It doesn't matter if it's a joke or not or if it's intent or not. Abuse is abuse. If I call a poster a ****ing elephant to parody In Bruges should I get away without being banned? Of course not.

_blank_

Hobart wrote: »

Was the post reported by anybody?

you could check the answer to that yourself.

but I think you already know the answer.

mike65

Anyone going to be brave enough?

Boggles

deise59 wrote: »

Believe it or not Des, it's not clear to everyone that was a parody on Roy Keane. Hell, I've been following football all my life and someone had to explain to me where the parody came from.

What? Have you been following Martian Football all these years?

Hobart

deise59 wrote: »

Personally speaking, I don't have a problem with the mods banning Pighead.

Believe it or not Des, it's not clear to everyone that was a parody on Roy Keane. Hell, I've been following football all my life and someone had to explain to me where the parody came from.

It doesn't matter if it's a joke or not or if it's intent or not. Abuse is abuse. If I call a poster a ****ing elephant to parody In Bruges should I get away without being banned? Of course not.

One of the most famous footballing commentary incidents in recent footballing history, and they had to explain it to you? Of course abuse has to have intent.

Daithi McGee

mike65 wrote: »

Pighead rules. FACT

Too right. And if you agree with the statement above and the OP's position on being banned for thanking a post you can still add your thanks to the post as a mark of solidarity. Even if you are not a member of the soccer forum (/waits to see new thread in the dev forum)

That is before the mods lock it to stop people doing so.

o/

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58624105&postcount=290

I thought it was hilarious


Mike are u gonnaa thank it? i will if u do. No OTT thread for a week for me!!

Hobart

Des wrote: »

you could check the answer to that yourself.

but I think you already know the answer.

Look up rhetorical Des.

mike65

I'll only do it if everyone else on this thread does it but as I can't trust any of you any further than I could throw you I won't put myself in the position of the boy who strips off at the beach first and then everyone else runs way! :pac:

LOL its like we're at a dico and we're 14 years old. Guys on one side, girls on the other. Who walks first!!



Tbh its a complete joke, the username was keane so he gave him the Saipan rant...very clever actually. Definitely thankable!

Hank Scorpio

hilarious

Lots of users get banned off the site permanently for saying things like that even if they were only joking, one rule for some one for everyone else

banning 14 people for saying thanks is roflcoptor

Daysha

Hobart wrote: »

One of the most famous footballing commentary incidents in recent footballing history, and they had to explain it to you? Of course abuse has to have intent.

I'm not the only one who didn't get the joke Hobart. Nowhere near it.

My point is, how can someone get away with a paragraph of abuse like that on the soccer forum when everyone knows if he posted the same on something like AH he'll be shown the door in a second.

I don't envy the mods, because they've a tough job in determining whats regarded as a joke and what's not. But in a situation like this they did the right thing IMO.

Just for the record, I don't agree with the length of the ban for everyone that thanked the post, an infraction would've done, especially considering the numbers of people involved. But Pighead did deserve to banned in the first place.

Boggles

deise59 wrote: »

My point is, how can someone get away with a paragraph of abuse like that on the soccer forum when everyone knows if he posted the same on something like AH he'll be shown the door in a second.

Well they wouldn't get the joke in AH because they havn't spent their entire lives watching football...oh hang on sorry....you didn't get it did you?

redout

I cant believe this thread has had such a good response. I honestly thought that it would get about 10 views and like 1 response. Nice to see some of the soccer lads on here showing solidarity. Viva La Revolucion brothers !

Daysha

Boggles wrote: »

Well they wouldn't get the joke in AH because they havn't spent their entire lives watching football...oh hang on sorry....you didn't get it did you?

Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree.

That's not the reason why this topic started anyway. It's for the people who thanked the post, people who were hard done by in my view.