Euro Ruling Needed

Raam

So there I was out training in Howth last night because the coastal cycle track is full of muppets jogging and walking in the bike lane. Half way up the hill I happened upon someone who was wearing Ireland bibshorts. Now this person might very well have been a member of the Irish team, but that's not my question. The question is... is it acceptable to wear national jersey or shorts when you are not actually on a national team? Is this worse or better than wearing your Team Garmin kit?

Caroline_ie

MMMmm Can it be compared to wearing an Ireland Rugby jersey when you're not in the team ... ?

kenmc

I think it's more like Drico wearing his Ireland Jersey down the pub than me wearing mine (although I only have a leinster one now that I think of it)

Lumen

There are two implied questions here: is it Euro, and it is right? Some may argue that these are equivalent.

Since you can't wear cycling gear off the bike, if it's Euro-illegal to wear team gear on the bike, then you can't wear it at all. In which case the whole concept of mass-marketing of team gear is wrong, unless you expect people to put them up on their wall.

I think a simpler rule is "if you're wearing replica team gear, don't allow yourself to be overtaken, ever".

Caroline_ie

Lumen wrote: »

Since you can't wear cycling gear off the bike (...)

I disagree ...

tunney

Raam wrote: »

So there I was out training in Howth last night because the coastal cycle track is full of muppets jogging and walking in the bike lane. Half way up the hill I happened upon someone who was wearing Ireland bibshorts. Now this person might very well have been a member of the Irish team, but that's not my question. The question is... is it acceptable to wear national jersey or shorts when you are not actually on a national team? Is this worse or better than wearing your Team Garmin kit?

Unless they are on the Irish team or have been on the Irish team, then its unacceptable.

Howth/Clontarf does seem to be Fred-central. Saw a guy on a Colnago with Colnago tights, Colnago gloves, Colnago jacket and a Colnago beanie.

dub_skav

tunney wrote: »

Unless they are on the Irish team or have been on the Irish team, then its unacceptable.

Howth/Clontarf does seem to be Fred-central. Saw a guy on a Colnago with Colnago tights, Colnago gloves, Colnago jacket and a Colnago beanie.

Maybe his name is colm delnago and that's just his nickname on all his gear

TinyExplosions

Raam wrote: »

So there I was out training in Howth last night because the coastal cycle track is full of muppets jogging and walking in the bike lane. Half way up the hill I happened upon someone who was wearing Ireland bibshorts. Now this person might very well have been a member of the Irish team, but that's not my question. The question is... is it acceptable to wear national jersey or shorts when you are not actually on a national team? Is this worse or better than wearing your Team Garmin kit?

The same rules apply to national gear as team -you not a team member, you shouldn't wear the gear!

penfold83

I don't agree. Surely one of the major reasons that sponsors get involved in teams is for the sales of merchandise. You don't have to play for Man United to wear a Man United jersey! Why is it different for cycling? If I want to fork out money for a pro team kit surely I'm doing my bit to contribute to the sport by keeping sponsors that little bit happier.

Besides, the pro team gear looks cool :cool:

tunney

penfold83 wrote: »

I don't agree. Surely one of the major reasons that sponsors get involved in teams is for the sales of merchandise. You don't have to play for Man United to wear a Man United jersey! Why is it different for cycling? If I want to fork out money for a pro team kit surely I'm doing my bit to contribute to the sport by keeping sponsors that little bit happier.

Besides, the pro team gear looks cool :cool:

And thats what makes you a fred

scottreynolds

ABSOLUTELY ANTI-EURO

Although there is not rule pertaining to the wearing of replica team kits I'd agree that the wearing of any replica kit is a EURO violation. The sentiment of the Euro rules says that everything should be earned and by wearing team kit that you have not earned you are not Euro.

I feel the exception to the rule is where either you were given the team kit by a member of the team or you earn't it by riding with them during there summer training.

scottreynolds

Can I pose another question? Good..........

Aren't the rules themselves ANTI-EURO is that they are US based?

Raam

scottreynolds wrote: »

Can I pose another question? Good..........

Aren't the rules themselves ANTI-EURO is that they are US based?

I dunno, Euro is a state of being, you can't really define it. You either "are" or you "aren't".

AstraMonti

True! Now you wouldn't drive your car wearing a ferrari f1 outfit, would you?

scottreynolds

Raam wrote: »

I dunno, Euro is a state of being, you can't really define it. You either "are" or you "aren't".

Sorry Raam don't understand. My point was that as the people who came up with the rules are United States based are those rules almost invalid.

Raam

Part of the problem with pro cycling kits/teams is that they are named after companies. This used to confuse me no end as a kid. "What? They are called PDM, like the tape people?"

Raam

scottreynolds wrote: »

Sorry Raam don't understand. My point was that as the people who came up with the rules are United States based are those rules almost invalid.

I'm just spouting rhetoric.

alfalad

Maybe he picked it up cheap in a LBS sale and didn't know the "rules" I certainly don't!!?? Besides maybe it shows support for your country! And as said when you train for other sports you will always see people wearing the kit of the team they support!
And I'm never wearing anything with logo's on it when I go out on the bike in future!
Although are jerseys you get on charity cycles allowed?:)

niceonetom

Raam wrote: »

Half way up the hill I happened upon someone who was wearing Ireland bibshorts.

what, just the bibshorts? not the full matching kit? well that's a fail for starters.

Raam wrote: »

Now this person might very well have been a member of the Irish team, but that's not my question. The question is... is it acceptable to wear national jersey or shorts when you are not actually on a national team? Is this worse or better than wearing your Team Garmin kit?

i'd agree with those who say that you wearing any kit that you have not earned is anti-euro.

only **** wear argyle. that's a rule that pertains to the world outside of cycling too, by the way.

Chips Lovell

Ah, the thorny jersey question...

Wearing replica kit is kind of naff, a bit like wearing a Liverpool jersey to five-a-side or down the pub. In my own mind, wearing old or obscure team kit is a bit less freddish than wearing your 2008 Caisse d'Epargne gear with matching bibs, but at the end of the day it's probably all the same.

Something you should do it my book is wear replica kit on local turf. So, CSC jersey = fine, Sean Kelly/An Post jersey = no.

The big difference between cycling and other sports though is that jerseys are treated as prizes as well. So national champ, world champ, tour leader jerseys or national team jerseys are kind of verboten. It's like going to your local five aside with your Liverpool jersey and an FA cup winner's medal around your neck.

However, the one thing worse than hefty middle aged man wearning full Quick Step world championship jersey and shorts (which I've seen) is some pedantic git lecturing him on his satorial choices.

Raam

niceonetom wrote: »

what, just the bibshorts? not the full matching kit? well that's a fail for starters.



i'd agree with those who say that you wearing any kit that you have not earned is anti-euro.

only **** wear argyle. that's a rule that pertains to the world outside of cycling too, by the way.

I think he had a raincoat on.

Actually,another point...

In Germany Land, where my bro lives, cyclists don't tend to wave or give each other the nod. Some do, but mostly not. That's been mine and his experience. Compare that to Ireland where you are almost expected to shake hands as you pass. Was this just strict application of the Euro Rules by the Germans?

23. You shall NEVER, under any circumstances, acknowledge the presence of a cyclist riding a bike costing less than €2000 in a public place. This could be severely detrimental to your image.

I was on the Cervelo, so I qualified no problem, but the bro was on his Bianchi which was under the limit. Was I being victimised or was I guilty by association?

Raam

el tonto wrote: »

...is some pedantic git lecturing him on his satorial choices.

Someone did that? A bit OTT methinks.

Chips Lovell

Raam wrote: »

Someone did that? A bit OTT methinks.

I mean indirectly.

TinyExplosions

Raam wrote: »

Part of the problem with pro cycling kits/teams is that they are named after companies. This used to confuse me no end as a kid. "What? They are called PDM, like the tape people?"

I really want a PDM jersey!

Raam

TinyExplosions wrote: »

I really want a PDM jersey!

Yeah, me too

Can't wait for the warm weather so we can get a "Festina Fest" going. We're such Freds.

TinyExplosions

niceonetom wrote: »

only **** wear argyle. that's a rule that pertains to the world outside of cycling too, by the way.

Taste and Sophistication Fail. Argyle rocks. On AND off the bike. And that's all there is to it

scottreynolds

Raam wrote: »

I was on the Cervelo, so I qualified no problem, but the bro was on his Bianchi which was under the limit. Was I being victimised or was I guilty by association?

Your guilty as charged. You saw him (bad enough), noticed what he was wearing (a sin after identifying the bike), and then bought it up in a forum (the killer blow). I hate to say it but you failed.... Your not EURO

Please update you profile the say "Trying to be Euro"

TinyExplosions

Raam wrote: »

Yeah, me too

Can't wait for the warm weather so we can get a "Festina Fest" going. We're such Freds.

Here they are

Raam

scottreynolds wrote: »

Please update you profile the say "Trying to be Euro"

Done.

Chips Lovell

Pfft, PDM. This is what I want next.

Raam

TinyExplosions wrote: »

Here they are

£40?! I think not.

TinyExplosions

el tonto wrote: »

Pfft, PDM. This is what I want next.

Prefer this or this

Karma

you cant pick your family, but you can pick on them....
cycleways had all the irish cycling gear going for €15/25 back in thier last big sale...could explain.
never catch me in lycra if your training(my own crazy idea of carrying weight training) :P

Raam

TinyExplosions wrote: »

Prefer this or this

Big up for the Peugeot.

ROK ON

In the same vain, shoud one wear manufacturers cycling gear, when you dont have the manufacturers bike/components.
I love Campag bibshorts. Very comfy indeed, but I dont have any campag components.
I wear campag winter gloves (highly recommend them) and Colnago fingerless gloves (also great).

I really like this
http://www.prendas.co.uk/details.asp?typ=tea&fkid=13&ID=1861
. . . but I dont own a bianchi, so I am unsure as to whether I should order it?

scottreynolds

I've decided I am Anti-Euro....... which I believe makes me a free spirit.. which I believe makes me Anti-Cool

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=anti-cool

Oh yeah ... I want the BIC jersey (even though they are pens).

niceonetom

@el_tonto - but being a pedantic git is my second favourite pastime. i think i have a talent for it. don't try to make me feel guilty about it .

scottreynolds wrote: »

Oh yeah ... I want the BIC jersey (even though they are pens).

me too. when i hear 'bic', i think razors though, not pens, so i think the kit would gel nicely with my plentiful leg-hair. and i like orange.

Chips Lovell

ROK ON wrote: »

In the same vain, shoud one wear manufacturers cycling gear, when you dont have the manufacturers bike/components.
I love Campag bibshorts. Very comfy indeed, but I dont have any campag components.

I think you're overthinking this one. You don't want people saying "look at that guy matching his kit to his shifters, do you?". It's one short step away from becoming Tunney's Colnago Man.

scottreynolds

niceonetom wrote: »

when i hear 'bic', i think razors

What? Gilette == Razors. Obviously you buy those cheap yellow things.

Chips Lovell

niceonetom wrote: »

@el_tonto - but being a pedantic git is my second favourite pastime. i think i have a talent for it. don't try to make me feel guilty about it

So, we should stop making you feel guilty about making other people feel guilty?

niceonetom

el tonto wrote: »

So, we should stop making you feel guilty about making other people feel guilty?

immediately.

penfold83

This whole Euro shart is really flipping the meaning of conformity on it's head. The idea is non-conformity by not wearing the team kit of other cyclists. But by obeying these Euro rules you're conforming to the non-conformity.

So I'm refusing to conform to the conformity of non-conformity and I'm gonna wear what I like. Why do people want to obey some random set of rules created by Americans anyway?

Lumen

penfold83 wrote: »

Why do people want to obey some random set of rules created by Americans anyway?

Because otherwise they'll send you to Guantanamo Bay and you'll have to wear an orange boiler suit. Which is definitely not Euro.

It's all just a bit of fun.

Chips Lovell

penfold83 wrote: »

So I'm refusing to conform to the conformity of non-conformity and I'm gonna wear what I like.

Just don't expect anyone to talk to you on a group ride.

TinyExplosions

el tonto wrote: »

Just don't expect anyone to talk to you on a group ride.

No one talks to Tonto on the rides, but that's for different reasons

We should have our own boards specific subset of Euro Rules I think

Jumpy

el tonto wrote: »

Just don't expect anyone to talk to you on a group ride.

If they dont talk to me for wearing "the wrong clothes" then I dont think I will be missing out on much intelligent conversation.

rflynnr

Good Kee-Rist! Three pages on "what to wear". Is that Trinny and Susannah I see coming...?

scottreynolds

Perhaps you should make full team kit complusory for Boards Rides .....

Chips Lovell

Jumpy wrote: »

If they dont talk to me for wearing "the wrong clothes" then I dont think I will be missing out on much intelligent conversation.

You keep telling yourself that Fredboy.

Raam

Jumpy wrote: »

If they dont talk to me for wearing "the wrong clothes" then I dont think I will be missing out on much intelligent conversation.

Mostly it's just about what booties to wear with what tights.

Jumpy

el tonto wrote: »

You keep telling yourself that Fredboy.

Silence peasant. *sniff* just because you cant afford these figure hugging arse pads.