Rugby World Cup 2015

bamboozle

Right, so how about this for a way to boost the nation in these hours of doom and gloom. THe IRB wants 90 million from whatever country hosts the 2015 world cup, apparently the French world cup was worth 4 billion to the national economy. SO how about the government & some wealthy philantropists make a contribution towards the 90 million to ensure a bid wouldnt bankrupt the IRFU.
We have Landsdown, Ravenhill, Sports Ground in Galway, Thomand, RDS, Donnybrook...and dare i say it Croke Park...
and then perhaps a new 20-25,000 seater national staduim could be built somewhere in the midlands for this event to ensure matches were spread throughout the country..say for arguments sake near Athlone IT or somewhere it could be used as a national centre for Sport so build it with an athletics track etc to ensure it would be utilised by a number of sports in the future

upgrades to existing stadia would boost local employment in the meantime...

boredatwork82

Good Shout.

toomevara

Once the iRFU made the frankly insane decision to redevelop Lansdowne to a risible capacity of 50,000 we basically removed ourselves as serious players for solo international tournaments in the eyes of the IRB...and given that the IRFu went on record last weekend saying there'd be no more internationals at Croker, well thats that....a non-starter, would have to be one of those messy and unsatisfactory joint bids with other Celtic nations etc....

Deedsie

The IRFU's ambition is very dissapointing at times. Ireland is one of the top Rugby countries in the world and still Japan and Russia are more likely to host a world cup before us. South Africa will surely get it again soon after the Soccer world cup?

We have a very impressive stadium infrastructure thanks to the hard work and tribalism of every GAA county to have a bigger stadium than there neighbours. Surely in the more enlightened Ireland we could manage to host a World cup on our own.

Landsdowne Road
Croke Park
The Maze Stadium up North.
Pairc Ui Chaoimh Municipal Stadium?
Thomond Park
RDS
Semple Stadium
Pearse Stadium

I understand the issues the GAA have with allowing foreign sports in GAA grounds. but if it could generate 4 billion for the economy of Ireland during a recession im sure the GAA would at least take it to congress.

Transport 21 will be finished by then.

If the number of teams entering the WRC Finals was reduced to 16 then we would have the numbers to attend the matches aswell.

I know it wont happen, but its a lack of ambition is the reason it wont.

toomevara

Deedsie wrote: »

The IRFU's ambition is very dissapointing at times. Ireland is one of the top Rugby countries in the world and still Japan and Russia are more likely to host a world cup before us. South Africa will surely get it again soon after the Soccer world cup?

I admire your diplomatic tact Deedsie. Dissapointing is at the lower end of the scale. You could argue that in choosing not to create a decent sized international stadium the IRFU has failed in its duty to the game in Ireland. Frankly its laughable that the national team will continue to play games in a stadium the capacity of which is at least 20,000 short of demand for most top tier internationals.

It's the classic irish fix to an entirely Irish problem. As I've said ad nauseum on here, in any other similar sized European country (analogies to the likes of England and France don't hold because of the respective wealth and size of the game of rugby there) a stadium like Croker would have been conceived of, and constructed as, a national stadium, for the use of all Irish representative teams. The model followed should have been that of the brilliant Millenium stadium, which hosts football, rugby union and league and anything else deemed appropriate for Wales.

When Lansdowne opens the IRFU will immediately take a massive retrograde step, back to the bad old days where getting a ticket for a game like Ireland V england is like finding the golden ticket in a fecking willy wonka bar, while one of the finest genuinely international standard stadiums in Europe lies empty just up the road. And thats before you factor in the huge wedges of lost revenue...only in Ireland...sigh.

Chucky the tree

Deedsie wrote: »

The IRFU's ambition is very dissapointing at times. Ireland is one of the top Rugby countries in the world and still Japan and Russia are more likely to host a world cup before us. South Africa will surely get it again soon after the Soccer world cup?

We have a very impressive stadium infrastructure thanks to the hard work and tribalism of every GAA county to have a bigger stadium than there neighbours. Surely in the more enlightened Ireland we could manage to host a World cup on our own.

Landsdowne Road
Croke Park
The Maze Stadium up North.
Pairc Ui Chaoimh Municipal Stadium?
Thomond Park
RDS
Semple Stadium
Pearse Stadium

I understand the issues the GAA have with allowing foreign sports in GAA grounds. but if it could generate 4 billion for the economy of Ireland during a recession im sure the GAA would at least take it to congress.

Transport 21 will be finished by then.

If the number of teams entering the WRC Finals was reduced to 16 then we would have the numbers to attend the matches aswell.

I know it wont happen, but its a lack of ambition is the reason it wont.

It's a lack of stadiums. Lack of ambition indeed, you dont think the IRFU should bother buildingn ew stadiums and should just be given the right to go and use the GAA ones?:rolleyes:


Also, I know rguby doesnt need to be terraced but the state of the GAA stadiums is pretty awful compared to what the other countries would come up with. Even Thomond mightnt cut it.

zAbbo

While Croke Park is a possibility, the opening of other GAA stadium is categorically NO - this was underlined for clarity in the new ruling (rule 44?) which can be amended to remove the detail on temporary closure of Landsdowne road - but will in no way allow other GAA stadia.

We've got to respect their rules, without assuming they'll open up every stadium for use.

If the RWC comes here again, it will be a joint venture with Wales & Scotland (home quarter finals for everyone )

Deedsie

Chucky the tree wrote: »

It's a lack of stadiums. Lack of ambition indeed, you dont think the IRFU should bother buildingn ew stadiums and should just be given the right to go and use the GAA ones?:rolleyes:


Also, I know rguby doesnt need to be terraced but the state of the GAA stadiums is pretty awful compared to what the other countries would come up with. Even Thomond mightnt cut it.

Might i suggest you head into a few of these grounds that are pretty awful. Semple stadium has just been renovated to hold 55,000. Gaelic Grounds in Limerick? Pearse Stadium in Galway. All recently renovated. Pairc ui Chaoimh MUNICIPAL stadium.

Rolleyes at the thought of the IRFU renting GAA grounds. I find that embarrasing on your behalf. Why would they have to build new stadiums when there are perfectly good grounds already there just needing a little modification in the terracing.

The only reason we should actively attempt to secure a WRC is the revenue it will create. And you want to come in and spend tax payers money on new stadiums that wont be needed after the tournament is over. My local TD will hear my reservations to this money wasting plan if it ever got the go ahead. Ridiculous.

toomevara

What's really sad is that were it not for Ireland's, ahem 'unique' (uniquely silly, imo) sporting landscape, infrastructurally we could easily and comfortably host a solo RWC.

This would of course be an undeniably brilliant event for all involved, the game, the country, the exchequer,rugby supporters etc...but the unpalatable truth is that because of daft Irish factionalism and silly tribalism it will never, ever come to pass. What a bunch of daft langers we can be as a nation.

Deedsie

toomevara wrote: »

What's really sad is that were it not for Ireland's, ahem 'unique' (uniquely silly, imo) sporting landscape, infrastructurally we could easily and comfortably host a solo RWC.

This would of course be an undeniably brilliant event for all involved, the game, the country, the exchequer,rugby supporters etc...but the unpalatable truth is that because of daft Irish factionalism and silly tribalism it will never, ever come to pass. What a bunch of daft langers we can be as a nation.

The stadiums of South Africa that were built during Apartheid, are now to be used for a World cup. Our Divisions are miniscule in comparison but thick as we can be surely we are improving relations between our sporting organisations.

Id consider myself a GAA man and a very proud one, but i think with the removal of a couple of out dated rules the great organisation could become even a little greater.

jdivision

Deedsie wrote: »

The Maze Stadium up North.
Pairc Ui Chaoimh Municipal Stadium?

Unfortunately The Maze stadium is in a bit of trouble and Pairc Ui Chaoimh has to be completely redeveloped although it could be ready by 2015. Unfortunately, the man who runs Cork GAA would definitely not allow rugby be played there.

toomevara

Deedsie wrote: »

Id consider myself a GAA man and a very proud one, but i think with the removal of a couple of out dated rules the great organisation could become even a little greater.

Huge respect for The GAA and the massively, overwhelmingly positive role it plays in Irish society,just hope it can continue the laudable move away from cultural politics and into a purely sporting organisation but thats probably an argument for another day/forum.

Deedsie

jdivision wrote: »

Unfortunately The Maze stadium is in a bit of trouble and Pairc Ui Chaoimh has to be completely redeveloped although it could be ready by 2015. Unfortunately, the man who runs Cork GAA would definitely not allow rugby be played there.

http://www.anfearrua.com/db.asp?a=topicdisplay&tid=395079

It may not be totally there decision. And the way Cork GAA is going at the moment its hard not to see a change in management policy down there.

Well the maze may be in trouble, but there are finances there to build a new stadium in the North. Hopefully they will tear down Windsor park to finance it further.

I may be wrong but are the GAA not considering further developing one of the grounds up north? Possibly Cussack Park in Belfast?

Chucky the tree

Deedsie wrote: »

Might i suggest you head into a few of these grounds that are pretty awful. Semple stadium has just been renovated to hold 55,000. Gaelic Grounds in Limerick? Pearse Stadium in Galway. All recently renovated. Pairc ui Chaoimh MUNICIPAL stadium.

Rolleyes at the thought of the IRFU renting GAA grounds. I find that embarrasing on your behalf. Why would they have to build new stadiums when there are perfectly good grounds already there just needing a little modification in the terracing.

The only reason we should actively attempt to secure a WRC is the revenue it will create. And you want to come in and spend tax payers money on new stadiums that wont be needed after the tournament is over. My local TD will hear my reservations to this money wasting plan if it ever got the go ahead. Ridiculous.

I dont care how many semple stadium can hold, do you think semple stadium and all the rest can compete with the stadiums they have in Japan, France, Sotuh Africa, NZ, Aus etc? :pac:

Japans Stadiums:
http://www.stadiumguide.com/niigata.htm
http://www.takenaka.co.jp/takenaka_e/stadiums_e/kashima/index.html
http://www.sarukoen.com/archives/sports/index.htm
http://www.stadiumguide.com/yokohama.htm
http://www.stadiumguide.com/shizuoka.htm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/flashesofpanic/1246483946/
http://koiant.blog.uol.com.br/arch2006-01-15_2006-01-21.html


Who's gonna pay for the modification, the IRFU?


I dont want to bother wasting money on new stadiums, and I dont want to bother wasting tax payers money "modifying" stadiums that wont cut it anyway.

Chucky the tree

Deedsie wrote: »

Id consider myself a GAA man and a very proud one, but i think with the removal of a couple of out dated rules the great organisation could become even a little greater.

Why should they? It's there grounds, they can do what they like with it. If you were to rent out your house, you'd be pretty miffed if you were told you couldnt pick and choose who was allowed rent it wouldnt you?

LeeroyJones

If Ireland hope to host the World Cup, we just have to scrap any idea of Croke Park being involved.

If Ireland want a solo bid, well have to find 4 stadia of capacity 40,000 plus, one of which been a minimum 60,000 capacity. and a a handful of smaller stadia for the smaller fixtures.

Lansdowne Road 50,000
Potential Belfast Stadium 45,000
Thomond Park 26,500
RDS 18500 (could that be increased if needed?)
Ravenhill (not sure on capacity after redevelopment)
Musgrave Park (17,000 after redevelopment)

So basically at the moment we can assume we'll have Thomond Park, RDS, Musgrave and Ravenhill for just Group Stages, Then Lansdowne Road and Belfast can host Quater Finals aswell leaving us 2 stadia short.

The only thing I can think of is doing what the London Olympics is doing and building 2 downgradable stadia. Perhaps one could be built in Galway and another in Dublin. This would also promote the game more in Connacht as well as giving them a new stadium. I don't know what the situation is with Leinster and the RDS but perhaps downgrading an 80,000 seater to 20,000-like the Olympics,which after a RWC would be owned by Leinster branch would be feasible....

Crash

Chucky the Tree wrote:

Why should they? It's there grounds, they can do what they like with it. If you were to rent out your house, you'd be pretty miffed if you were told you couldnt pick and choose who was allowed rent it wouldnt you?

But thats not what would be happening. Instead it would simply be them allowing themselves to consider if they would like to rent their home to these people, rather than previous rules they drew up not allowing it at all. Its not like changing rule 44 forces the GAA to allow Rugby/Soccer matches, it just allows the option should they choose.

Serenity Now!

toomevara wrote: »

I admire your diplomatic tact Deedsie. Dissapointing is at the lower end of the scale. You could argue that in choosing not to create a decent sized international stadium the IRFU has failed in its duty to the game in Ireland. Frankly its laughable that the national team will continue to play games in a stadium the capacity of which is at least 20,000 short of demand for most top tier internationals

Did you actually read what their CEO said? It was not financially viable to do this.

toomevara wrote: »

It's the classic irish fix to an entirely Irish problem. As I've said ad nauseum on here, in any other similar sized European country (analogies to the likes of England and France don't hold because of the respective wealth and size of the game of rugby there) a stadium like Croker would have been conceived of, and constructed as, a national stadium, for the use of all Irish representative teams. The model followed should have been that of the brilliant Millenium stadium, which hosts football, rugby union and league and anything else deemed appropriate for Wales

Yes, municipal stadia are the way to stop all this doubling and tripling of stadium expenditure.
As you know though, with the Irish being the Irish, this is completely out of the question hence all the kerfuffle about *gasp* another sport being played at Croke Park :rolleyes:

toomevara wrote: »

When Lansdowne opens the IRFU will immediately take a massive retrograde step, back to the bad old days where getting a ticket for a game like Ireland V england is like finding the golden ticket in a fecking willy wonka bar, while one of the finest genuinely international standard stadiums in Europe lies empty just up the road. And thats before you factor in the huge wedges of lost revenue...only in Ireland...sigh.

Unless an idea is known of the actual outgoings when renting out Croke Park, I don't think anyone is qualified to make a statement like this.
It is not a simple matter of Attendance minus Ground Rental equals Net Profit

Deedsie

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Why should they? It's there grounds, they can do what they like with it. If you were to rent out your house, you'd be pretty miffed if you were told you couldnt pick and choose who was allowed rent it wouldnt you?

The reason they should is it would be a gesture of good will to there fellow countrymen in a project that would benefit all the people of Ireland financially.

What are you on about renting my house for? Pointless comment.

Its a stadium that the GAA could rent for substantial personal gain. Financially and in public relations to the sectors of Irish society who have not historically been linked to the GAA. South county Dublin, upper middle class rugby supporters who im sure the GAA wouldnt mind taking gate receipts off in the future.

Chucky the tree

Anything other than this wrote: »

But thats not what would be happening. Instead it would simply be them allowing themselves to consider if they would like to rent their home to these people, rather than previous rules they drew up not allowing it at all. Its not like changing rule 44 forces the GAA to allow Rugby/Soccer matches, it just allows the option should they choose.

Which they wont choose.

Chucky the tree

Deedsie wrote: »

The reason they should is it would be a gesture of good will to there fellow countrymen in a project that would benefit all the people of Ireland financially.

What are you on about renting my house for? Pointless comment.

Its a stadium that the GAA could rent for substantial personal gain. Financially and in public relations to the sectors of Irish society who have not historically been linked to the GAA. South county Dublin, upper middle class rugby supporters who im sure the GAA wouldnt mind taking gate receipts off in the future.

If this idea is so enticing to the GAA why do you think they havent done it yet? Becuase they havent thought of it?

Erin Go Brath

Central to this happening is the use of GAA stadia. Theres been a definte thawing of the GAAs attitude to 'garrison games' being played on their turf. If the GAA and IRFU can bang their heads together and agree the grounds being used for one month in 2015 then it can happen. We have sufficent capacity GAA stadiums dotted around the country as it is, coupled with the rugby stadiums that we will already have and this is defintely a runner. Without the use of GAA stadia however this is dead in the water.

Podge_irl

The head of the IRFU has said that they have no intention of bidding for the RWC alone, but would only do so as part of a joint bid. He claimed possibly with England, but I can't see the RFU going for that.

toomevara

Serenity Now! wrote: »

Did you actually read what their CEO said? It was not financially viable to do this.

I did and I fundamentally disagreed with the IRFU's cost analysis. However all that is consigned to the dustbin of history given the current economic climate, so essentially a once in a century opportunity, to create an international standard stadium for Irish RU was missed

Serenity Now! wrote: »

Unless an idea is known of the actual outgoings when renting out Croke Park, I don't think anyone is qualified to make a statement like this.
It is not a simple matter of Attendance minus Ground Rental equals Net Profit

My point entirely, whereas if the IRFu had built an adequate stadium capable of catering to the rugby going public, its financial destiny for the forseeable future would be firmly in its own hands.

helimachoptor

Deedsie wrote: »

Transport 21 will be finished by then.

Man you are one crazy mofo if you think that's going to be finished:eek:

I can't see us getting a RWC solo. Maybe as part of a bid with Wales/Scotland/England using Croke Park and Lansdowne and maybe Thomond.

Even say the 2 stadia in Dublin, 2 group games a week,2 quarter finals 1 semi final and the 3rd/4th place play off. That would still generate a lot of money for the economy. Lets hope we're out of the recession by then .

I'd love to get it but I can't see it happening.

Erin Go Brath

Podge_irl wrote: »

The head of the IRFU has said that they have no intention of bidding for the RWC alone, but would only do so as part of a joint bid. He claimed possibly with England, but I can't see the RFU going for that.

Why would the RFU bother when they could easily host it themselves, i agree.

If we are to host it, it will happen in 1 of 2 ways.

1) IRFU agree terms with GAA for stadia use. Then we can put in a bit to host it ourselves.
2) IRFU agree terms with either Scotland or Wales or both, and put in a joint bid with them.

I would much prefer option 1.

Deedsie

toomevara wrote: »

I did and I fundamentally disagreed with the IRFU's cost analysis. However all that is consigned to the dustbin of history given the current economic climate, so essentially a once in a century opportunity, to create an international standard stadium for Irish RU was missed




My point entirely, whereas if the IRFu had built an adequate stadium capable of catering to the rugby going public, its financial destiny for the forseeable future would be firmly in its own hands.

Exactly, The IRFU when agreeing to redevelop Landsdowne road with the FAI should have been aiming to hold a World Cup Final in the worlds oldest rugby stadium. Like Cymru '99 Now we have a stadium with great facilities capable of hosting a semi final. No Chance of a European championships (The FAI's Fcuk up).

Why would England want to host it with us only if they needed an extra vote will that happen. A Celtic World cup is all we can hope for now. Shame.

Serenity Now!

toomevara wrote: »

I did and I fundamentally disagreed with the IRFU's cost analysis. However all that is consigned to the dustbin of history given the current economic climate, so essentially a once in a century opportunity, to create an international standard stadium for Irish RU was missed

It was missed the second the dotted line was signed for Croke Park's redevelopment.
And I'm pretty positive that you have no idea of the IRFU's costs in staging a game at Croke Pk vs at Lansdowne Rd.

toomevara wrote: »

My point entirely, whereas if the IRFu had built an adequate stadium capable of catering to the rugby going public, its financial destiny for the forseeable future would be firmly in its own hands.

Its forseeable future is in its own hands. Why wouldn't it be? They've done their sums here.
To build a greater capacity stadium at Lansdowne (over 60,000), its North end would have to had to be extended even further. Since this transgresses into private property/protected housing, this was obviously never going to happen.
To go higher, planning permission would never have been passed and even simply paying off residents would have bankrupted the whole idea in the first place.
To go elsewhere ie. outside the city such as Newland's Cross? Would be great facilities but cack location logistically.

premierstone

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Why should they? It's there grounds, they can do what they like with it. If you were to rent out your house, you'd be pretty miffed if you were told you couldnt pick and choose who was allowed rent it wouldnt you?

+1 Spot on its amazing that now the GAA have something everyone wants(theres a similar thread on the Soccer forum) their no longer backward, gombeen men but our friends and we should all row in together, feck it maybe we should convert to communism altogether

toomevara

Serenity Now! wrote: »

And I'm pretty positive that you have no idea of the IRFU's costs in staging a game at Croke Pk vs at Lansdowne Rd.

Quite correct, none whatsoever...

Serenity Now! wrote: »

Its forseeable future is in its own hands. Why wouldn't it be? They've done their sums here.

Perhaps I'm not being clear, Ireland V England at Lansdowne...50,000. Ireland V England at Croker. 80,000...Though I'm no Stephen Hawkins when it comes to d'oul maths thats a huge discrepancy..Its got to be galling knowing you're massively underselling international rugby in ireland every time you open the turnstiles at Lansdowne. I'm no expert, but if thats doing your maths maybe thats why I got a D in the Leaving (pass).

What I mean re: finance is that the IRFU have chosen not to make the moolah which we the great rugby public are gagging to chuck at them. That's just daft....

helimachoptor

Is there a possibility that the IRFU may want to use Croker for the biggest games? Say Ireland V England and Ireland V France and then use Lansdowne for Scotland, Wales and Italy??

premierstone

toomevara wrote: »

Perhaps I'm not being clear, Ireland V England at Lansdowne...50,000. Ireland V England at Croker. 80,000...Though I'm no Stephen Hawkins when it comes to d'oul maths thats a huge discrepancy..Its got to be galling knowing you're massively underselling international rugby in ireland every time you open the turnstiles at Lansdowne. I'm no expert, but if thats doing your maths maybe thats why I got a D in the Leaving (pass).

What I mean re: finance is that the IRFU have chosen not to make the moolah which we the great rugby public are gagging to chuck at them. That's just daft....

Your maths are fine toom its maybe your economics need a little brushing up on, we play England in Landsdowne once every two years and France once every two years so you would add 30,000 to the capacity of the ground at a cost of ??? to satisfy the demand for these games

bamboozle

Per my original post, surely using the current rugby stadia in the country plus Croker for Semi’s & final we’d be sorted
To ensure the event would reach every part of the country a new multipurpose stadium & sports campus be built in the midlands, this stadia would be based on a few things, 1-available to all sports,2-link it up with a university/institute of technology which has a sports department so they could use the facilities/campus year round as a centre of excellence,3-ensure it has a running track & 50m swimming pool on the campus to attract professional athletes to it, then the rest of the usual facilities...ease of access, adequate parking etc

Developing a stadium like this would be a huge boost to the local economy, and if planned correctly would be a huge addition for future generations in that area & beyond
Even if the government had to contribute 20-30 million towards a project like this, if it meant long term job creation & future revenues to the area it would be a wise selection (bearing in mind FAS receive 20m a week to operate, 20 million towards gaining the RWC would be a bargain!)

bamboozle

premierstone wrote: »

Your maths are fine toom its maybe your economics need a little brushing up on, we play England in Landsdowne once every two years and France once every two years so you would add 30,000 to the capacity of the ground at a cost of ??? to satisfy the demand for these games

i think the way croke park and most stadia work is that they have a break even point, for croker its 25,000, ticket sales thereafter are all profit.. if Landsdowne had a similar break even point then the extra 30,000 bums on seats in croker would be profit!

toomevara

premierstone wrote: »

Your maths are fine toom its maybe your economics need a little brushing up on, we play England in Landsdowne once every two years and France once every two years so you would add 30,000 to the capacity of the ground at a cost of ??? to satisfy the demand for these games

Good point premier, but as a sporting organisation they've got to think long term,preferably in decades not years or financial quarters. And you're right my economics is as defective as me maths...(I blame Nenagh CBS meself)

Serenity Now!

toomevara wrote: »

Perhaps I'm not being clear, Ireland V England at Lansdowne...50,000. Ireland V England at Croker. 80,000...Though I'm no Stephen Hawkins when it comes to d'oul maths thats a huge discrepancy..Its got to be galling knowing you're massively underselling international rugby in ireland every time you open the turnstiles at Lansdowne. I'm no expert, but if thats doing your maths maybe thats why I got a D in the Leaving (pass).

What I mean re: finance is that the IRFU have chosen not to make the moolah which we the great rugby public are gagging to chuck at them. That's just daft....

You were quite clear, mate. Don't get me wrong. I'm not arguing with a fellow rugby league afficiando just for the sake of it here.
What percentage of the union's income comes from gate receipts compared to sponsors and the corporate sector? With that also in mind, how much extra would the IRFU make from staging their own games in their own stadium with their own sponsors/corporate input? How much in facilities costs (staffing, contract work , plant & equipment and such likes with non-GAA contractors etc) would they save being in their own patch. This is the point that the CEO was making quite clearly, in my opinion, in that interview and perfectly clearly too.

toomevara

Serenity Now! wrote: »

You were quite clear, mate. Don't get me wrong. I'm not arguing with a fellow rugby league afficiando just for the sake of it here.
What percentage of the union's income comes from gate receipts compared to sponsors and the corporate sector? With that also in mind, how much extra would the IRFU make from staging their own games in their own stadium with their own sponsors/corporate input? How much in facilities costs (staffing, contract work , plant & equipment and such likes with non-GAA contractors etc) would they save being in their own patch. This is the point that the CEO was making quite clearly, in my opinion, in that interview and perfectly clearly too.

Hmm, you're starting to win me round Serenity. I guess ultimately the best of all worlds would have been a national stadium, but pure pie in the sky. Now if only we can get the millenium magic weekend in Lansdowne next year...reckon the fifty thou capacity would be just about bang-on.

twinytwo

bamboozle wrote: »

Right, so how about this for a way to boost the nation in these hours of doom and gloom. THe IRB wants 90 million from whatever country hosts the 2015 world cup, apparently the French world cup was worth 4 billion to the national economy. SO how about the government & some wealthy philantropists make a contribution towards the 90 million to ensure a bid wouldnt bankrupt the IRFU.
We have Landsdown, Ravenhill, Sports Ground in Galway, Thomand, RDS, Donnybrook...and dare i say it Croke Park...
and then perhaps a new 20-25,000 seater national staduim could be built somewhere in the midlands for this event to ensure matches were spread throughout the country..say for arguments sake near Athlone IT or somewhere it could be used as a national centre for Sport so build it with an athletics track etc to ensure it would be utilised by a number of sports in the future

upgrades to existing stadia would boost local employment in the meantime...

the only way i see us hosting a world cup is by being co-host with wales or something

premierstone

toomevara wrote: »

Good point premier, but as a sporting organisation they've got to think long term,preferably in decades not years or financial quarters. And you're right my economics is as defective as me maths...(I blame Nenagh CBS meself)

Well having attended that fine establishment myself I can understand perfectly

toomevara

premierstone wrote: »

Well having attended that fine establishment myself I can understand perfectly

Lol, a fellow survivor..er..sufferer...er sorry ex-student....god love us...

Deedsie

premierstone wrote: »

Well having attended that fine establishment myself I can understand perfectly

I thought I was the only one they ruined.

premierstone

Deedsie wrote: »

I thought I was the only one they ruined.

No its a long list and apparently they all hang around now on internet forums having pointless arguements, how sick is that!!

Deedsie

premierstone wrote: »

No its a long list and apparently they all hang around now on internet forums having pointless arguements, how sick is that!!

Bsatards. The ruination of us.

RONOC08

dont get me wrong id love to see us getting a WC but i think that a WC in japan or italy or america or even russia wud do so much more for the game internationally which is the IRB's main aim and should be the main aim of the whole rugby commuinity +olympics 2015 aswell

ormond lad

NO need to start a new thread, saw this on planetrugby. How do the welsh always seem to get games like this, "strategically important" my arse. How much did the welsh pay to get a few games. World cups are always better when games are only held in 1 country, like how 1995 in SA and 2011 in NZ(will be) are better WCs then 99 in the 5 nations countries and 2007 with france giving games to wales and scotland in return for votes

RWC 2015 matches handed to Cardiff



24th May 2011 18:08
The Millennium Stadium in Cardiff will host World Cup 2015 matches after the International Rugby Board Council ruled it as strategically important.


The Rugby Football Union had recommended its use, highlighting that the location in Cardiff was important in making the tournament more accessible to supporters from English Rugby strongholds in the South West such as Cornwall, Devon, Gloucestershire and Somerset. With a capacity of 74,500 it also means more fans can experience the quadrennial showpiece event.

"The Millennium Stadium is one of the world's iconic sporting venues with a rich pedigree in hosting major sports events, including matches at Rugby World Cup 1999 and World Cup 2007," said IRB Chairman Bernard Lapasset.

"The venue is ideally positioned as a gateway to the tournament for fans from Wales and the South West and I am sure that it will add another exciting dimension for fans attending World Cup 2015."

Paul Vaughan, Chief Executive of Tournament Organiser England Rugby 2015, added his own weight to the decision, setting his sights high of a successful event.

"We are determined that Rugby World Cup 2015 will be the best tournament ever and to do that we want the best stadia available," he said.

"Our commitment is to sell three million tickets at iconic and accessible venues. We are delighted that the IRB have listened to our case and that the Millennium Stadium can now be included in our planning for this global event."

Meanwhile, Welsh Rugby Union Chairman David Pickering was happy to hear the news and paid tribute to the IRB for choosing to hand fixtures across the border.

"I am delighted for Wales and for Welsh Rugby that this decision has now been confirmed," he said.

"I want to thank my colleagues on the IRB Council and the RFU for recognising the benefit of playing Rugby World Cup 2015 matches across the border in Wales.

"Cardiff is extremely accessible by road, rail and air while the city centre location of the Millennium Stadium is now firmly established as a huge benefit for visiting fans. The Rugby World Cup is now one of the greatest tournaments on the sporting calendar and Wales can be proud to be playing a pivotal role in its delivery."

With thanks to the IRB

Aidric

bamboozle wrote: »

We have Landsdown, Ravenhill, Sports Ground in Galway, Thomand, RDS, Donnybrook...and dare i say it Croke Park...

Are you seriously putting up the sportsground as a possible World Cup venue?

I'm not even sure it will cut it for Heineken Cup games.

ormond lad

Aidric wrote: »

Are you seriously putting up the sportsground as a possible World Cup venue?

I'm not even sure it will cut it for Heineken Cup games.

I know it was 12 years ago but the 1999 world cup had games in Galashiels Netherdale which had capacity of 6,000. Im sure games like tonga v canada and fiji v namibia wouldnt get near 6000 for a game if the world cup was not held in new zealand or australia where there are large samoan/fijian populations and the sportsground would be perfect size and would allow games be held in the 4 provinces

totallegend

Long list of 17 stadia announced

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/rugby/2012/1008/1224325032564.html

Dominated by soccer grounds, it's a shame that Welford Road didn't make the cut.

irishbucsfan

totallegend wrote: »

Long list of 17 stadia announced

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/rugby/2012/1008/1224325032564.html

Dominated by soccer grounds, it's a shame that Welford Road didn't make the cut.

It's a real shame. Only one AP stadium in there!

IRB are going to force more and more of these kind of decisions if they continue to push the scale of the competition though.

Munstermissy

totallegend wrote: »

Long list of 17 stadia announced

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/rugby/2012/1008/1224325032564.html

Dominated by soccer grounds, it's a shame that Welford Road didn't make the cut.

And surprised Gloucester did, surely it is smaller than Welford road?

totallegend

Munstermissy wrote: »

And surprised Gloucester did, surely it is smaller than Welford road?

Geographic considerations I suppose; Gloucester would be a big rugby town so they wanted to have some games there; same applies to Leicester but the soccer stadium there was considered more appropriate (I don't think there is any decent soccer stadium in Gloucester).